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Secret Character Unlocked! Meyichi 2015/08/28(Fri)18:22 No. 94511 ID: 5a02f7
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Imperious Bear was given her name by her father, and she always tried to live up to it. Unfortunately, it proved to be just one more pair of shoes too large for her to fill. The goggles belonged to her father, and they're too big for her, too.

Bear became a Scavenger Lord because that's what her father was and his father before him. She loved the history and the stories of the olden days - her father would reenact them with shadow puppets when she was young, and she would squeal with delight.

Her first artifact was the jade tablet that she still has today. Her father gave it to her as a project; it's unfortunate that she only got it working after she Exalted, and he died. She would have liked to have seen the smile on his face when he watched the green surface light up with essence. She would have liked a lot of things.

A lot of Green Sun Princes wonder why the Silent Wind claimed Bear as Her own. It's a simple thing, really - the Bear that went down into the ancient tomb with her family was not the same Bear that came out alone. She hides it well, but she still startles worse than a raiton.

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Bear was supposed to be someone else, but then I forgot who, so she ended up being Bear instead.

Meyichi 2015/08/29(Sat)14:47 No. 94521 ID: 5a02f7
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Life kind of got me there for a few days, have a nude.

>>94521
I'm not sure you should post nudes of bride candidates yet. Saving them for the victory makes it feel more rewarding. That's how dating sim games work, right?

>>94532
usually get tiers, depending on your rank. gotta get to the end of their route to unlock the H-scene. but you usually get teasers before that.

If everybody else is waiting for something to happen we can talk about open-ended goals then. I'm pondering getting Edge/Mirth a ship and making them a trader or mercenary captain. I mean, unless we just leave them in Gem and abandon them, we need somewhere to keep that bride (or those brides).

Potential Bride Unlocked! Meyichi 2015/09/01(Tue)16:08 No. 94595 ID: 5a02f7
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Feng was told by his father that he was born in a small village in the mountains of Harborhead, and that his mother died in childbirth. Shortly after he was weaned, the two moved on to a remote location. Unfortunately, this area proved to be an uncapped demesne of earth, which mutated Feng's ears to what they are today.

Feng has no reason to doubt the story. After all, the only other explanation is that they really are aspect markings, but for him to exhibit such strong markings at such a young age, well, he would need to be of exceptional breeding, possibly even a direct descendant of the Empress herself. And there just so happens to be a daughter of the Empress who heads an Earth-aspected House...

... but such is probably impossible.

Feng exalted when he was fourteen, a middling age for Dragon-blooded. His father figured he must have gotten the Dragons' blood from his mother's side, but her death makes the genealogy impossible to trace. His father always stressed secrecy - if anyone were to see his ears, they might take him away to Lookshy or the Dynasty. If Feng wanted to remain free, he would have to stay hidden.

Feng lived with his father in small villages, moving infrequently. When he was sixteen, his father passed away in a hunting accident, leaving the boy on his own. While Feng was skilled enough to survive on his own in the environment he grew up, he wished for something different to break the grief of losing his father.

Two Calibrations ago, Feng came to the city of Chiaroscuro. He lived on his own for the better part of a year, performing manual labor and thieving when times were thin. It was the latter that got him Abel Akhar's attention. What was likely going to be a simple confrontation instead ended up being an offer of shelter and camaraderie once Feng's hat was removed.

Since then, Feng has become very attached to his family. He wears his colors with pride and follows Abel's orders to the letter.

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Feng went through the most design changes of all of the main Bride candidates - in fact, the only thing that remained the same all the way through was his Dragon-blooded nature. Probably his strangest iteration was a Wood-aspected Immaculate monk. It seems that I've hit the thin line of making a young character that isn't too young for the audience to see as a potential romantic target - something that I worried about in the design phase.

1.6 metres tall? If average heights centre on the modern averages he's pretty darn short. That's suggestive of the possibility he's a she hiding boobs by flattening them.

What is the average height in the world of Exalted, and typical ranges by area--just how short is Feng?

>>94596
It depends on how good of a diet and medical practice you have access too, similar to modern height vs. medieval heights. Harborhead is a pretty good place to live in if you're free, though, relatively rich, favored of Ahlat and one of the places where you can openly worship the Sun. It's certainly possible that Feng is biologically female, but he could just be malnourished or naturally short.

As I settle into school, it looks like my update schedule will be every day except Wednesday and Thursday. I like to think of it as the weekend, except with homework instead of partying.

How much suspicion is necessary, justified, reasonable, or cautious regarding collaboration between green sun princes? We've been treating Amaranth as a dangerous devil we bargain with as a last resort and expect to be screwed by, but is this actually the right thing to do, or even reasonable?

Kamai's Question Corner Meyichi 2015/09/04(Fri)18:35 No. 94639 ID: 5a02f7
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> How much suspicion is necessary, justified, reasonable, or cautious regarding collaboration between green sun princes?

"Oooh, that's a tough one. Well, see, we're all supposed to be working towards the Reclamation, but the only oversight the Yozis have on Green Sun Princes is Torment. And all the Yozis are supposed to be working together on the Reclamation, but they all have different ideas on how to best do that, so they end up working against each other sometimes.

"Green Sun Princes are chosen because they tried to do something great - and failed. No Exaltation came to them at the critical moment, so they were too scared or too weak or too whatever to pull through. So, essentially, we're all a bunch of fuck-ups.

"But we've got super powers now! Still, those are the kinds of people you're dealing with. I'd say the bottom line is that Green Sun Princes should be expected to collaborate on the goals of the Reclamation, where their Patron supports the effort. Otherwise, well, it depends completely on the person. I don't know Amaranth well enough to say if it's a good idea or not, so good luck with that."

Uhhhh... the Akuma transformation, the sources I could look up suggests this is a dumb thing to do for infernals, like at all. Could I get a description of exactly what to expect from it, particularly regarding changes to their personality, interests and goals?

>>94647
You give up your free will completely and totally, becoming less than a pawn of the Yozi you sold your soul to. You are an empty husk of the person you once were. You are driven by your Urge and only your Urge. In return, you get watered-down Infernal powers, which are still pretty great if you're not a Solaroid or at least a Celestial Exalt. It has to be done willingly, iirc, but you can lie to people. Most Akuma were tricked, a few were so full of hate that they effectively committed suicide-plus for the knowledge that their husk would be used to make some enemy of theirs suffer.

>>94648
So, full personality transformation, and even if they don't go as far as ripping people's faces off everyone who used to know them would know there was something wrong with them. Yeah, I think we don't really want that for Sienna unless she's problematic and there's no other way to dispose of her safely.
Are there any lesser levels of investiture or recruitment into the Reclamation that don't noticeably transform folks into pod people?

Kamai's Question Corner Meyichi 2015/09/05(Sat)15:26 No. 94651 ID: 5a02f7
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> Are there any lesser levels of investiture or recruitment into the Reclamation that don't noticeably transform folks into pod people?

"Investiture is kind of an all-or-nothing deal. Sure, Eclipse caste (and I guess whatever Abyssals have for that) could learn Yozi charms, but, otherwise, you don't really get anything from joining up with the Reclamation.

Except, y'know, the loving adoration and support of an entire world full of sorta-people and all the artifacts that the demon world can spare. It's a pretty sweet deal.

I've heard of some Lunars that got their tattoos altered with vitriol to show their support of the Reclamation, but that's pretty much it. So it's just a political affiliation, practically."

Political affiliation with binding oaths in exchange for artifacts and unspecified other demonic support is something I can handle. That's a deal we could even represent honestly to a fair number of particularly greedy people and get them to sign on.
Speaking of those artifacts, what is a hellwand, what kind of artifacts might we reasonably offer in such a bargain, and what did the Reclamation equip Edge with that we may not have noticed and understood yet? I've been wondering about that scarf Edge has, and if it's not an artifact itself I could use some pointers on why it's so dang special to Edge/Mirth.

Kamai's Question Corner Meyichi 2015/09/05(Sat)17:03 No. 94657 ID: 5a02f7
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> What is a hellwand?

"Oh, I'm stealin' this question. A'right, so a hellwand's a lot like a firewand, in that it shoots fire, but hellwands shoot algarel instead of firedust. They're about as long as an arm an' can shoot about ten meters. Of course, they only take one shot, so ya've gotta reload 'em each time ya fire. You usually see 'em made outta Malfean brass or iron."

> What kind of artifacts might we reasonably offer in such a bargain?

"That's tricky, since it depends on what's on-hand. There're fifty of us Green Sun Princes, which means we're usually a lot better equipped than yer run-of-the-mill Solar Exalt, but infernal artifacts don't grow on trees - well, they do in Szorney, but ya'd have to be mad or suicidal to harvest those. There ain't really any magical materials in Malfeas, so the demons make-do with what they can get their hands on - glass made from Cecelyne, metals scraped from the skin of Malfeas, and acids distilled from Kimbery. Once ya get to Malfeas, they usually won't send ya out without at least one artifact, maybe two if ya've impressed 'em with what ya've done up 'til then.

"So, really, I wouldn't offer anythin' concrete, just say there's a lot of artifacts who the Yozis wouldn't mind givin' to folks who'd help 'em break out."

> What did the Reclamation equip Edge with that we may not have noticed and understood yet?

"Last I saw Edge, he had an artifact longbow - a black jade one stained with vitriol. He probably has some green fire arrows when things get nasty, but those technically ain't artifacts.

"As for that scarf - yer guess is as good as mine. I've never seen him without it. If it is an artifact, it's certainly not one I've heard of.

"I'd say ask him, if yer that curious about it. Maybe when he's not busy with this whole Bride business and has a chance to answer questions."

I’ve been tasked with subverting abolitionist movements.
What are we talking about here, abolition of slavery or something else?

>>94658
Pretty much, yeah. The Guild takes slaves and sells them to whoever. People who want laborers, Deathlords who want spare parts for their necrocrafts, the fey who want souls to eat, shit like that. You're lucky if you stay a slave. A lot end up getting dream-eaten by the fair folk and become mindless bodies used for hard labor, or cannibalized to make an undead juggernaut. It's enormously profitable, since fey pay in glamour and magic, among more mundane payments from other clients. It's also terribly unethical and dangerous, but that's Creation for you.

>>94659
Okay, that's about half of what I need to know. Subvert abolitionists into doing what though? As far as I understand it the Reclamation should vaguely support abolitionists because fey and the Deathlords consuming people is contrary to the existence of creation. Also, who are the abolitionists and why do they think they can win against the Guild selling out the people of Creation?

Kamai's Question Corner Meyichi 2015/09/05(Sat)20:27 No. 94665 ID: 5a02f7
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"Get out of here, Lintha! This is my gig!

*ahem*

>>94663

"See, now you've hit upon something that all Infernals realize pretty quickly - Urges don't really make sense.

"She Who Lives in Her Name likes slavery because that's the way things "should" be. The Ebon Dragon hates slavery because He hates all things that would confine Him. So, yeah, it'd probably be a great idea to free all slaves everywhere and tell them the Yozis were responsible for saving them. But is that gonna happen? Probably never.

"Urges don't make sense. They aren't supposed to. I think."

Okay then, I have dealt with clients who made contradictory demands with a straight face before. I have also dealt with people making self-contradictory demands before. I can grasp an authoritarian ordering Amaranth to subvert a subversive organization The Ebon Dragon would support, even though this is stupid. I can even look ahead to the possibility we may be commanded to subvert Amaranth's agenda soon--commanded to support a subversive organization attempting to subvert the system of slavery, which is being subverted by an authoritarian subversive who is nominally supposed to be our ally... except isn't. :headdesk:
I still need to know and understand the common knowledge of who these abolitionists are, how they organize, and what the heck Amaranth is trying to subvert them for. Is he just supposed to sabotage their agenda?

Oh, and unrelated: Do the infernals know about sidereal exalted? Considering the primordials fought them during the war I'd be surprised if they never knew about them, but that was a long time ago and the yozis don't seem to be the most clear thinkers these days.

Kamai's Question Corner Meyichi 2015/09/06(Sun)05:57 No. 94679 ID: 5a02f7
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> Who are these abolitionists, how do they organize, and what the heck Amaranth is trying to subvert them for? Is he just supposed to sabotage their agenda?

"The thing about Urges is that they don't give that level of detail. It's just a broad directive. Amaranth could subvert the abolitionists into making candy for all She Who Lives in Her Name cares. As for the specifics, you'd have to ask him yourself."

> Do Infernals know about the Sidereal Exalted?

"Who-what now?"

http://www.tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/663921.html#667803
>Now it was time to word the oath. I’d have to do so carefully to make sure there were no ways Amaranth could weasel out of it.

Help? I need to steal some agreement boilerplate for this kind of deal, and most of my legalese experience is in NDAs and IT contracting.

>>94681
Uh, I'm like a week behind on the updates, but I'm usually not bad at exact wording weasel stuff. I'll try and catch up and see if I can help.

Well, here's a start:

"Thinking on your question further, if I had to guess why I'm in so much trouble it's because our lord principle of defiance and failure is interested in my attempt to appease him. He's given me a warning which may apply to you as well actually, so I know he's paying at least a bit of attention. My recent past would be wholly clear if he's been matching me up with people capable of sustained and dangerous defiance, yourself included. It does seem that and physical beauty are primary attributes in his judgment of who makes for an exquisite bride.
"Regarding the matter of agreements between us, now that we've reached a degree of common understanding we can start contributing ideas towards building an agreement, but if it gets beyond a certain degree of complexity we should consider summoning a demon skilled and interested in the making of deals to help.
"Let's get started with things that shouldn't be too controversial and see how far we get.
"Parties: This is an agreement between the people identified as Sky's Edge and Amaranth, including all different personas and identities thereof.
"Completion and termination: The agreement ends when 1) the person known as Sky's Edge, including all alternate identities and personas, has achieved satisfactory marriage with the spouse or spouses that would constitute to them a successful completion of the agenda, or 2) if it is mutually agreed to end it before that time by both parties.
"Continuing responsibility: At the completion of this contract both parties will attempt to negotiate in good faith any residual interests and issues, should any continue to exist, before acting in ways either could reasonably know may substantively harm the other party or their interests.
"Purpose: This contract exists to allow 1) collaboration on sharing of information on potential threats and 2) the pursuit of their agendas and goals, both 2a) personal, and 2b) assigned by their commonly-understood commanding authorities in the Reclamation, with 3) minimum of unnecessary conflict, and 4) improved outcomes.
"We need sections describing the information sharing and expected cooperation, but what else can you think of, Amaranth?"

Feel free to word it in legalese, but usually oaths like this are in paragraph form.

Parties: This is an agreement between the people identified as Sky's Edge and Amaranth, including all different personas and identities thereof.
Competence: The parties enter into this agreement while of competent mind and body, and having the ability to continue to operate without having made this agreement. Changes to it and exceptions against it may not be made while temporarily incompetent or under duress (I.E. threatened).
Completion and termination: The agreement ends when 1) the person known as Sky's Edge, including all alternate identities and personas, has achieved satisfactory marriage with the spouse or spouses that would constitute to them a successful completion of the agenda, or 2) if it is mutually agreed to end it before that time by both parties.
Continuing responsibility: At the completion of this contract both parties will make all reasonable attempts to negotiate in good faith any residual interests and issues, should any continue to exist, before acting in ways either could reasonably know may substantively harm the other party or their interests.
Purpose: This contract exists to allow collaboration on 1) sharing of information on 1a) potential threats, and 1b) potential opportunities, and 2) the pursuit of agendas and goals, both 2a) personal, and 2b) assigned by their commonly-understood commanding authorities in the Reclamation, with 3) a minimum of unnecessary conflict, and 4) improved outcomes.
Agendas of Sky's Edge: The interests of Sky's Edge identified here include 1) fulfillment of the exquisite bride obsession (as defined by outside party The Ebon Dragon) in a timely and thorough manner, 2) avoiding further torment from the Yozi masters, 3) acquisition of wealth, status, employees, contacts and followers that 3a) may include his establishment as a captain or other principal of a trading, pirate or mercenary venture.
Agendas of Amaranth: The interests of Amaranth identified here include 1) subverting abolitionist movements (as defined by outside party She Who Lives In Her Name), 2) avoiding further torment from the Yozi masters, 3) acquisition of wealth, status, employees, contacts and followers.
Additional agreements: This agreement shall not be binding upon actions taken with joint prior agreement and which are expressly agreed not to fall within this agreement. This section exists primarily to allow the bargaining of interest in named parties or other interests, as well as to allow undertaking agreed courses of action which may otherwise violate the agreement, without breaking the agreement.
Sharing of information: Both parties agree to share all (locally, reasonably) relevant information about threats and opportunities known at the time of the agreement within the context of this agreement where they are bound not to act on it against each other's interests except per joint agreement or as specified in this contract. Additional information gained about these topics after the agreement is made, but before it is terminated, is to be made available under its terms by both parties for reasonable prices/considerations.
Cooperation: Both parties agree to act in ways that do not damage the other's agendas and interests for the duration of the agreement to the best of their knowledge and ability, except as per agreed exceptions noted in the section "Additional agreements." If either party fails to appropriately protect the agendas and interests of the other party knowingly they are to make compensation for it deemed equal or superior in value as jointly agreed or as determined by a mutually-agreed third-party arbitrator at such time.
Balance of trade: This agreement is made with respect to a particular exchange, as well as future cooperation and exchange. The initial exchange is detailed in this agreement in the following two sections.
Sky's Edge will provide: Sky's Edge agrees to make known relevant information about 1) three confirmed essence users, 2) two suspected essence users, 3) one criminal organization he is known to, and 4) one warning given by an agent of The Ebon Dragon.
Amaranth will provide: Amaranth agrees to make known 1) residual similar information known about 1a) essence users, 1b) suspected essence users, 1c) organizations of note and 1d) any other particularly notable opportunities and threats, as well as 2) aid in 2a) representing to a particular essence user that Sky's Edge (under another identity) is protected according to a mutually agreed plan, and 2b) aiding as necessary the negotiation of that essence user into the service of the Reclamation or other such necessary addressing of that essence user as a result of the attempts of Sky's Edge to pursue her as an object of the Exquisite Bride Obsession (as defined by The Ebon Dragon).

What do other people think, have I inserted enough subtle gotchas?

Okay, caught up. Sorry, lots of stuff going on over the weekend. That was less dense reading than I expected, actually.

>The piece of it I'm most willing to give you and aid you in making use of is an apparent exalt I found foolish and irritating. Risks aside, I couldn't imagine a finer fate for them than becoming an Akuma, although we should maybe confirm they aren't an abyssal or someone else's agent.
So... we escalated to getting insurance versus Sienna to completely fucking her over and selling her out?

Not sure that's the route I would have gone, but I guess it works. If we're really gonna go that route, we should start planning an obsessions combo way to do it so we gain bonuses from multiple yozi.

>>94684
>>94687
...and uh, I'll see if I can reword some of that to a simpler spoken vow.

>So... we escalated to getting insurance versus Sienna to completely fucking her over and selling her out?
No, no, no... we don't even know if Sienna is more than just a demon blood. The problem is that she suddenly went from calling bullshit on our mostly-bullshit self-description to making a specific propsal to accept our offer of a date. During the conversation that happened her attitude went a full reversal from telling us not to bother her to... that. This means we need to be prepared for at least three possibilities: 1) She's ambitious and trying to get a deal out of our hidden power that she knows we have. 2) She wants to get us alone, interrogate, mug and kill us because we've risen to the level of troublesome irritation. 3) She has decided that if we won't leave her alone she's going to get some kind of profit out of us, possibly trying to bind us to her service. Depending on just how poorly we resist she may be able to order us to do something suicidal successfully, so we had to either give up on her or prepare, hence asking Amaranth for help.
The person I'm happy to sell out is Embattled Justice, the perv gambler. He's already too corrupt and skanky for us to bend him usefully with more corruption and he acts way too brashly for our safety.

>>94709
Oh what made me think Sienna rather than Justice was the "we should maybe confirm they aren't an abyssal or someone else's agent" line. (Since we know he's a dragon blooded, but we don't know what she is). I guess you were just being cagey to her though, letting on less than we know.

Personally, I suspect her motives are closer to 3. She was happy to get rid of / pass along the dangerous unknown challenging her before, but the fact we're taking a continued interest in her / challenged her again has got her hackles up. So she's trying something.

I do feel more comfortable screwing over Justice, although that sucks for him. He's expecting a mysterious lunar contact to feel him out again at some point, not to be sold out to the reclamation.

> I guess you were just being cagey to her though, letting on less than we know.
That too, but one meeting and cold hands does not constitute exhaustive proof, and our second guess from the available evidence minus his claims was abyssal. We haven't actually confirmed whether or not he was something else doing a good job of pretending to be a water exalt or if he's truly the Lookshy deserter with no other allegiances he claims. Apparently we're not that far away from Thorn if I'm recalling correctly: I could well imagine the abyssals wanting to send someone like that around as a spy to examine populations of exalted in territories they may be planning to invade. Other folks who might be interested and capable of putting up a (potentially real) Lookshy deserter as a fishing lure include the empire (and their military and immaculate order divisions) and the wonderful celestial fountains of paranoia. Honestly, at this point I'd almost be happy to trade our paranoia headache for having a dawn caste smack us around because it's at least simple and straightforward versus this hardcore-complexity game of Mafia we're playing.

> She was happy to get rid of / pass along the dangerous unknown challenging her before [...]
I forgot to add an important, but less likely, additional possibility: 4) She's someone's undercover operative marking time waiting as a local contact by cheating tourists for beer money as she drinks to calm her annoyance at being abandoned here. 4a) We've unintentionally appeared as an idiot from head office, or a different branch, making extremely clumsy contact.
Seriously, we don't know nearly enough about Sienna to estimate anything but the minimum threat level (judged as significant). We don't know that this is her real name instead of a local alias, or whether she has any other powers besides her ability to command. We don't know how she gets her ability to command. We don't know where she comes from, how rich she is, or what other connections she may have besides knowing a particular local mafiosi. We don't know what her weirdass pet can do or how smart it is. We're flying blind on a wing and a prayer because she's got such beautiful eyes, breasts and greed, here.

> He's expecting a mysterious lunar contact to feel him out again at some point, not to be sold out to the reclamation.
He's living dangerously--dangerously for us, dangerously for him. If he's not someone's agent then he's a fool whose bumbling around grubbing for booze and women could easily come crashing down on us and our interests rather obnoxiously.

Okay, trying for a more general oath form: (with less legalese)

Does this need to be two way, so Edge is swearing something too, or is this solely one way, Amaranth swearing so we trust her enough to bring her in?.

>This is an agreement between the people identified as Sky's Edge and Amaranth, including all different personas and identities thereof.
I think if we swear an oath under our true name, or the name used in our identity as a green sun exalt serving the Yozi, that's sufficient to hold us under other aliases. Especially since these aliases have been established using a Yozi charm. (The Yozi are enforcing this oath, right? Or are we swearing under the geas of some other power?).

>wording
You [name] swear to cooperate with [other name] on a joint venture. For the duration of this agreement, you agree to assist in each other's defined goals, not to work against each other's interests, arrange events or third parties to act against each other's interests, or lay a groundwork to oppose said interests following the completion of the agreement. This includes sabotage by action, by deliberate inaction, deception, withholding relevant information, or revealing information to outside parties.

And from there, just add on what the goals and interests are. >>94687 Does a pretty thorough job of laying all that out, even if it's a pain to say aloud. I think you've covered every loophole I was thinking of, although I would cover working against us indirectly / by inaction / by proxies explicit.

Hmm. Other potential loophole is if we're defying "fulfillment of the exquisite bride obsession (as defined by outside party The Ebon Dragon)" that means she's technically free to assist in any manner TED would be satisfied with, not the way we would necessarily want to (like, screwing over the bride in the process, which I don't think Edge plans to).

And I think we need to specify we don't want her moving on any of these assets we're giving her till we've cemented one as a bride. There's a delay on her end.

...ooh! And we need to make the wording on the completion condition more general, to allow for the possibility we wed more than one of our brides (which is possible, if unlikely). As written, the first bride would terminate the agreement, leaving her free to do whatever to the second one before we could cinch it.

The Fiend anima power works under the ancient laws that Cecelyne encoded into creation, so, yes, the oath is sworn under the Yozis.

>...ooh! And we need to make the wording on the completion condition more general, to allow for the possibility we wed more than one of our brides (which is possible, if unlikely). As written, the first bride would terminate the agreement, leaving her free to do whatever to the second one before we could cinch it.

I thought I had, under completion and termination:
The agreement ends when 1) the person known as Sky's Edge, including all alternate identities and personas, has achieved satisfactory marriage with the spouse or spouses that would constitute to them a successful completion of the agenda, or [...]

>>94720
Oh, I didn't see the or spouses.

...gotta say, I am really balking at trying to reword this into common language.

(Also I feel a little guilty quibbling over this instead of actually suggesting).

I will accept legalese as a valid suggestion, so don't sweat too much over it.

>I think you've covered every loophole I was thinking of, although I would cover working against us indirectly / by inaction / by proxies explicit.
You may have a point that this is a way to screw us that Amaranth could conceivably use, or that we could use against him. At the same time, I was trying to leave room in the contract for having Amaranth scry our two suspected sidereals or whatever, which could be taken as working against our interests since it may reasonably make them suspicious or worse if noticed. That kind of thing can be done under agreed joint activities and exceptions, though. I also deliberately left the wording vague in the Cooperation section that covers this in case of fuckup or other unintentional harm, balancing against a promise of compensation. I didn't put limits other than, "[...]to the best of their knowledge and ability[...]" for expectations of not screwing each other over, and, "[...]fails to appropriately protect the agendas and interests of the other party knowingly[...]" for expectations of compensation there, and that vagueness cuts both ways. The biggest reason I didn't try to make this any tighter is that this wording is bi-directional and if we make it too tight Amaranth can use it to cut us.

>>94723
Well, I suppose Edge did say he could bluff his way into a bureaucratic position... (I will laugh if the next update is just Amarath being annoyed at how much detail Edge lays the terms out in).

Once she's agreed to help us, out next priorities are to figure out a way to secure our meeting with Sienna. (Protect us from her, and make sure our eared friend can't listen in if he tries).

And depending on how exactly we organize this exchange of information with Sienna / roping her into being an asset, it seems to me we might reasonably be able to pull off an Infernal Genius Declaration and/or Agony-savoring Mercy. (We can certainly tell her what we're doing if we outmaneuver her, and oath-bind her not to speak of it, and considering how annoyed she's been with us, keeping her alive and willful to keep working with us is a kind of cruel mercy).

>(Also I feel a little guilty quibbling over this instead of actually suggesting).
I have written a thing, it is currently alpha demo code of minor complexity. It needs checking and possibly debugging if we don't get a superior alternative. :)

>Once she's agreed to help us, out next priorities are to figure out a way to secure our meeting with Sienna. (Protect us from her, and make sure our eared friend can't listen in if he tries).
I thought that's the easy part: We introduce our cousin, who wanted to meet the woman that caught our eye after we told him/her about Sienna. Alternate-identity Amaranth mentions with a smile that we may want to visit later for a discussion if we're not too busy enjoying the evening as a couple should.
Beyond that we may not need more even, the implicit threat that we know lots and lots of people is a pretty good threat, and the hint about a discussion later is a seed of interest for signing Sienna up to our conspiracy if she's ambitious.

Okay, I changed the balance of trade part some more, so that we're trading Embattled Justice (and help using him) for Amaranth's help with Sienna. I did that because he wanted all our future discovered information in exchange for this help with Sienna this evening, which is a crappy deal if we need more help later. Also added a bit explaining 'incompetent' in the Competence section.

Parties: This is an agreement between the people identified as Sky's Edge and Amaranth, including all different personas and identities thereof.
Competence: The parties enter into this agreement while of competent mind and body, and having the ability to continue to operate without having made this agreement. Changes to it and exceptions against it may not be made while temporarily incompetent (mentally or emotionally influenced or impaired) or under duress (I.E. threatened).
Completion and termination: The agreement ends when 1) the person known as Sky's Edge, including all alternate identities and personas, has achieved satisfactory marriage with the spouse or spouses that would constitute to them a successful completion of the agenda, or 2) if it is mutually agreed to end it before that time by both parties.
Continuing responsibility: At the completion of this contract both parties will make all reasonable attempts to negotiate in good faith any residual interests and issues, should any continue to exist, before acting in ways either could reasonably know may substantively harm the other party or their interests.
Purpose: This contract exists to allow collaboration on 1) sharing of information on 1a) potential threats, and 1b) potential opportunities, and 2) the pursuit of agendas and goals, both 2a) personal, and 2b) assigned by their commonly-understood commanding authorities in the Reclamation, with 3) a minimum of unnecessary conflict, and 4) improved outcomes.
Agendas of Sky's Edge: The interests of Sky's Edge identified here include 1) fulfillment of the exquisite bride obsession (as defined by outside party The Ebon Dragon) in a timely and thorough manner, 2) avoiding further torment from the Yozi masters, 3) acquisition of wealth, status, employees, contacts and followers that 3a) may include his establishment as a captain or other principal of a trading, pirate or mercenary venture.
Agendas of Amaranth: The interests of Amaranth identified here include 1) subverting abolitionist movements (as defined by outside party She Who Lives In Her Name), 2) avoiding further torment from the Yozi masters, 3) acquisition of wealth, status, employees, contacts and followers.
Additional agreements: This agreement shall not be binding upon actions taken with joint prior agreement and which are expressly agreed not to fall within this agreement. This section exists primarily to allow the bargaining of interest in named parties or other interests, as well as to allow undertaking agreed courses of action which may otherwise violate the agreement, without breaking the agreement.
Sharing of information: Both parties agree to share all (locally, reasonably) relevant information about threats and opportunities known at the time of the agreement within the context of this agreement where they are bound not to act on it against each other's interests except per joint agreement or as specified in this contract. Additional information gained about these topics after the agreement is made, but before it is terminated, is to be made available under its terms by both parties for reasonable prices/considerations.
Cooperation: Both parties agree to act in ways that do not damage the other's agendas and interests for the duration of the agreement to the best of their knowledge and ability, except as per agreed exceptions noted in the section "Additional agreements." If either party fails to appropriately protect the agendas and interests of the other party knowingly they are to make compensation for it deemed equal or superior in value as jointly agreed or as determined by a mutually-agreed third-party arbitrator at such time.
Balance of trade: This agreement is made with respect to a particular exchange, as well as future cooperation and exchange. The initial exchange is detailed in this agreement in the following two sections.
Sky's Edge will provide: Sky's Edge agrees to make known relevant information about 1) three confirmed essence users, 2) two suspected essence users, 3) one criminal organization he is known to, and 4) one warning given by an agent of The Ebon Dragon, 4) consulting and aiding in the evaluation and disposition of one confirmed essence user to the use and satisfaction of Amaranth, specified by Sky's Edge.
Amaranth will provide: Amaranth agrees to make known 1) residual similar information known about 1a) essence users, 1b) suspected essence users, 1c) organizations of note and 1d) any other particularly notable opportunities and threats, as well as 2) planned and mutually agreed aid in 2a) representing to a particular essence user that Sky's Edge (under another identity) is protected, 2b) aiding as necessary the negotiation of that essence user into the service of the Reclamation or other such necessary addressing of that essence user as a result of the attempts of Sky's Edge to pursue her as an object of the Exquisite Bride Obsession (as defined by The Ebon Dragon), and 2c) materially rescuing or protecting Sky's Edge (including all different personas and identities) as necessary against the activities of that essence user and their allies.

Kamai's Question Corner Meyichi 2015/09/13(Sun)13:29 No. 94828 ID: 5a02f7
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"Okay, so it's more like the answer to a question you haven't asked yet, but still information that's helpful.

"The Djala are a people of the South, and can be found all throughout the Southwest, Southeast, the Realm, and beyond. They're smaller than your average person, and live a lot longer. Supposedly, the Anathema of the First Age made them as mechanics for their great, essence-powered devices, and I've never seen a better mortal savant than a trained Djala.

"There are very few free Djala, and those that aren't enslaved supposedly have some kind of haven hidden in the sands of the Glittering Desert. A free Djala is a rare thing to see, but not unheard of."

Nice translucence on the knife blade.

>>94829

Thank you! :D

>>669435
>>669439
I have a fundamental problem with both of these: Adrenaline has raced, and Sienna is now evaluating everything in terms of threat assessment. If we look like we're playing for time she's just gonna slice and attack us, fearing additional reinforcements of either us or this stranger. Sienna has been handed a situational advantage here along with pre-existing reason to distrust us, and no reason to trust Amaranth in a different appearance than she's ever seen. If we don't make this look like an embarrassing fuck up then it's a deadly, dangerous situation where Sienna is in an alleyway with two dangerous strangers and a knife at the throat of one of them.
Our avatar made the mistake of playing into Sienna's plan to ambush our arranged, protective tail. We've been handed protagonist intelligence failure as a fait accompli, we aren't gonna get out of it with wacky hijinx when faced with someone increasingly short on patience with a knife.

Say, regarding abyssals... aren't they all vampires with insane, undead solars for bosses, serving broken primordials who want to destroy everything? Seems like they might not make great material for a long-term relationship due to the conflict between work and personal life, there.

>You’re one of the Blasphemous – I mean, a Deathknight Zenith, right?
Is a Deathknight Zenith a specific sub category of deathknight? I'm not sure if she's calling us blasphemous for being a deathknight (implying they're not), or for being a perversion / betrayal of what she thinks a deathknight should be. (Not that we're either, but).

>>94872
Fancy in-universe terms. Deathknight means Abyssal. The Blasphemous are a popular appellation for the Abyssal version of Zeniths, the Midnight caste. Zenith Solars are the priests of the Sun by default, and theoretically leaders of the Exalted. Midnight caste Abyssals are an inversion of that, thus, blasphemy.

Would someone error check this Infernal Genius declaration before we use it later?
"As a courtesy, I will now warn you of what the truce and secrecy agreement does not protect from. The binding draws upon the attention, authority and will of the Yozi masters, so the very act of binding the secrecy agreement informs my masters of your secrets. They witnessed this meeting in order to serve as the authorities that will enforce oathbreaker penalties for violations of that oath. Because the agreement was between us five they are not in the slightest bit bound to its terms. Congratulations on trapping yourself in a pledge of permanent truce and secrecy that you can't break without suffering severe curses, and which does not constrain my family very much at all. To be honest, I was disappointed that you inflicted this on yourselves mostly unprompted."

>>94874
Rather save that for someone we actually dislike and aren't actively trying to seduce into marriage.

>>94875
All else being equal I'd agree, but if she doesn't suddenly become more interested in a date as a result of this meeting we should take what we can get. She's acted everywhere from disinterested to disgusted by us romantically so far, at some point it's time to give up and cut losses. It's also a chance to be bribed or begged to let them out of the deal, for an Agony-Savouring Mercy.

>>94874
Assuming our assumptions about the oath are accurate (and the Yozi aren't somehow using deva for doublethink compartmentalization so they're simultaneously ignorant and aware of the information we're keeping secret or something), I think that logic should work.

We certainly shouldn't say that until we've gotten all the information and anything else we want out of them, though. They may not be able to break the oath, but they'll stop cooperating at the very least.

(And there's the possibility we swore a null oath. If a key provision is unenforceable, does that make the entire oath meaningless? We'd be in trouble if they aren't bound to truce).

...and personally, I would leave out the stuff that's just an insult. The trap is enough in of itself.

I vote against. IGD sounds like it would be much more appropriate against an actual enemy you're about to kill.

>>94873
Oh, mixing Deathknight / Solar terminology. That's what got me.

>>94875
Are we even actively trying to seduce Sienna at this point? At best, it seems like we're having fun at her expense teasing her about dating. She seems categorically uninterested and/or disgusted with us.

Graceful Blossom or Feng seem much more likely prospects at this point.

>Infernal Genius Declaration
I wonder, since Amaranth's patron is She Who Lives in Her Name, what reaction would we get from preforming that? Would we earn points or respect for pulling it off, or she gonna be annoyed we one upped her on home turf.

Specifically, the Blasphemous is a term used by the Immaculate Order to refer to the Zenith caste, as they were priests of the Unconquered Sun. The Midnight caste has repurposed it as one of their own appellations, but due to how widely-spread the Immaculate Philosophy is, it would not be uncommon for a newly-Exalted Zenith to think of themselves as one of the Blasphemous.

>...and personally, I would leave out the stuff that's just an insult. The trap is enough in of itself.

I don't see what's unenforceable about the oath. It just has a great, gaping flaw because it only binds the five people present for the meeting and not the Yozi witnesses or anyone else. Oops, they cheated themselves by not taking us seriously when we warned them about the rest of our family being a big deal.
You're right that we probably don't want to piss off those folks, so here's a rewritten version with an agony-savouring mercy where we offer to let them renegotiate, for free.

"As a courtesy, I will now warn you of what the truce and secrecy agreement does not protect from. The binding draws upon the attention, authority and will of the Yozi masters, so the very act of binding the secrecy agreement informs my masters of our discussion. They witnessed this meeting to serve as the authorities that will enforce oathbreaker penalties for violations of the pledge. Because the agreement was limited to us five they are not in the slightest bit bound to its terms. This would leave you trapped in a pledge of permanent truce and secrecy that you can't break without suffering severe curses, and which does not constrain the rest of my family at all.
"Because I'm not trying to inflict a bad deal on you, I offer the opportunity to renegotiate and replace our pledge with a different pledge. I don't ask for a payoff despite being in a position to demand one. Just come up with a deal that isn't bad for any of us, please."

>>94894

Pledges sworn with the Eclipse/Fiend/Moonshadow Anima power cannot be renegotiated; once they're sworn, they're sworn until broken by their terms or by one of the oath-takers.

While it amuses me greatly how you're thinking, technically, swearing by the Yozis doesn't inform them of the terms. Edge would know this intrinsically as part of his powers. It's the same as an Eclipse swearing by the Sun - thank goodness, the Unconquered Sun isn't aware of all oaths sworn by His name, or I'm sure He would have turned His face away from Creation a helluva lot sooner than He did.

But, by all means, continue scheming.

Meyichi 2015/09/17(Thu)19:49 No. 94896 ID: 5a02f7
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No update tonight in preparation for a big one tomorrow; here's a Myria to tide you over.

>>94896
Did she nearly die after getting hit by lightning? Natural or some air aspect's?

>>94897

That sounds like something you should definitely ask her, as tactlessly as possible.

It'll probably come up later in the quest.

>>94895
Now I'm curious just how they would know an oath of secrecy was broken to punish it if they didn't pay attention to the secrets. Gimme a hint?

It's less that Cecelyne herself is enforcing the oath, and more that the underlying cosmic structure that Cecelyne coded into Creation is doing all the work.

Of course, it never explicitly says the oath-swearing works through Cecelyne; it could just as easily (and more probably) could be the Ebon Dragon. He seems like the kind of guy that would make cosmic promise structures just so he could later subvert them.

>>94910
Let me see if I can translate this:
Cecelyne, The Ebon Dragon and all the other primordials were just developers, and the oathbreaker penalties are just one more part of creation that's still operating more or less as designed since it was first implemented in creation? If that's the case that sounds ridiculously complicated: We're talking authority that gets delegated down from the primordials, through the gods, to second order servants of the primordials which actually were weapons for kicking the primordials' asses. You'd think they'd have implemented better access controls to lock out features from rebellious underlings. Unless The Ebon Dragon was rebelling and corrupting and subverting so much he ended up kicking his own ass by accident during the usurpation....

>>94917
They did manage to lock out the gods from every doing anything to hurt the primordials. Mortals were overlooked, but completely powerless to hurt primordials because they had jack shit to use. The only reason they were able to win was because two primordials defected to the side of the gods. Gaia was seduced, and indirectly made the Terrestrials, giving them an actual army. Autocththon made the Exaltations themselves, giving them soldiers who were actually capable of hurting the primordials.

Even then, they only made the Exalts one step up from "harmless", and it took endless waves of Exalts dying and re-Exalting to stab the Primordials over and over before they had any effect.

>>94917

It's more that the Solars took advantage of structures that were already there.

Or maybe the Sun made them, and the Ebon Dragon's using them for his own ends.

It's not really clear, but I prefer to think it's a hard-coded Primordial thing that the Solars just hijacked.

>it's a hard-coded Primordial thing that the Solars just hijacked
You mean like the rest of creation? :V

>>94918 >>94925
Still doesn't make much sense to me as a system designer, whether you posit that it's a primordial autojustice machine or a divine autojustice machine: We're talking about access that should be on a white list with revocation. The neverborn and yozis stealing access credentials to a solar autojustice machine is iffy, unless they're using primordial access authority as a substitute post-usurpation somehow. It's trickier if we're talking a primordial autojustice machine since mortals should have never gotten onto those white lists until the gods won the usurpation and got full control. Either way, it makes much more sense to me to think of the relevant backers (gods, neverborn, yozis) getting called as witnesses since we're dealing with an animist cosmology where there's gods of everything. Witnessing an oath and punishing the oathbreakers would need an infrastructure for observation, memory, interpretation and punishment. The most plausible answer for what that could be is that the gods, neverborn and yozis themselves *are* that infrastructure, and that there is no autojustice machine.

Unless you use Occam's Razor, in which case, you get an auto-justice machine.

I think.

Putting aside universe mechanics:

*We know the oath applies to secrets spoken at this meeting
*We've learned things we didn't previously know (that Myria was rogue, Sienna was solar, etc).
*We've shared that information with our meta-audience

*Present-Edge does not appear to have triggered oath-breaking retaliation yet

Which means unless there's a delay or some other shenanigans in play, the other parties have to end up dead or agree to allow us to share.

>>94929

Note that the consequences of oath-breaking often lurk until a critical moment to strike. :V

>>94930
...well, phooey. Then we can't abuse paradoxes in our favor, since the critical moment will obviously be right as we reach the climax of the retelling. (Or more likely right before, ruining the end of the story for us at the worst moment as punishment).

That does mean we better make damn sure to get their permission and/or get the three of them killed (in a manner that doesn't trigger the not acting against them part of the oath) or we're screwed.

It would probably be optimal to get permission to back out of the agreement at some point.

Or maybe everyone else in the agreement dies!

>>94928
Disagree: My, hypothesis that there is no autojustice machine does not presume there is such a machine without any direct evidence for it, a simpler solution. Assuming there is one has to answer the questions of 1) who made it, 2) what's its access controls like, and most importantly 3) who is it because we're in an animist cosmology. Assuming there isn't one gives us answers that we already have that 1) primordials, who made everything, 2) they decide, and 3) they are.

Also, two more questions we need answers to if there is supposed to be an autojustice machine: -Where is it?
-Wow do we crack it, break it, cheat it or stop it before we get Edge smited by it?

>>94931
Or we decide we just don't care about Edge and that we expect him to get assraped by Cecelyne for a century as punishment for telling the story that we knew he was telling. Or The Ebon Dragon cheats things for us because he wants us to tell the story. Or we could be lying about this part of the story. Let's go with one of those because most of the players were crippled by not knowing, not understanding, or not caring about the world cosmology enough to make a sane decision about whether we would get the protagonist cursed for doing something we know he's in the act of doing.
Seriously, the world background in this setting is so deep I've been tripping over it and I have been paying attention since the beginning as well as trying to look things up on the internet. The bar to entry for making sane decisions in the game is OCD interest in a fictional game world with source materials that aren't legally available for free to look up and read over the internet. In strictly gamist terms it's not fair to beat the players over a barrel for making a bad decision when it's impossible, or pretty close to it, to make a good one. The usual advice over barrier to entry for participation in a quest is generally, "The player should need to know no more than the last three updates to make a useful contribution."

>>94936

I vote for that last bit.

Seriously, though, I'm not so sadistic as to punish the players for doing a thing only because there's a frame story narrative.

>The usual advice over barrier to entry for participation in a quest is generally, "The player should need to know no more than the last three updates to make a useful contribution."
I would contest that in... quite a lot of cases, actually.

>>94936
Personally, I'm pretty entertained we found an edge case where the narrative framing device actually interacts with the inner narrative. It's complicated and messy and fun. (And probably exactly the kind of thing the Ebon Dragon would be entertained by, who's favor we're supposed to be trying to win back).

And yeah, there's pretty much always going to be more information that you can possibly know in advance in anything based off exalted. I see it more as playing Xanatos Speed Chess than trying to pull off some grand plan from the start.

> Xanatos Speed Chess

If you aren't playing this as a Fiend, you're doing it wrong.

... but that's just my personal opinion.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosSpeedChess for the uninitiated

>>94939
I've been trying, but it's really difficult when the other parties have an information differential advantage over you. My solution was to try and drag more players into the situation at once, but the results so far have been decidedly... mixed at best: Amaranth may well be severely annoyed with us even though he/she has been getting a lot more information out of this, and we're flying seat of the pants with a group of celestial exalts who might have come to town to hunt primordial enslaved-trash like us.

>a group of celestial exalts who might have come to town to hunt primordial enslaved-trash like us
I don't think everyone in there group is a good enough actor to fake the surprise they showed when we told them what we were. Whatever their goals are, they weren't here specifically hunting us (unless someone or something arranged it without them knowing their specific target).

So far, Sienna is a fresh Exalt who barely has any idea what's going on, Myria is a rogue seeking a stable base, and Crimson is presumably pursuing his own goals in the Silver Pact, a rogue, or trying to find his Solaroid mate.

None of them are likely to be specifically opposed to us.

>>94942
That interpretation only makes sense if you assume the other three exalts here are not already a group. It sure seems like they're a group.

>>94942
>>94943
There's no reason people in a group can't have separate motives.

For instance, Sienna is almost certainly with them due to inexperience / ignorance. In her position, she badly needs experience, allies, information so she doesn't run afoul of something and end up dead or worse. (Without any OOC sources or a hands on patron or peers like we had, she's even more behind in the basic information game than we've been complaining about, as players).

Myria taking her in could be anything from real compassion, to an intellectual desire to see blatant propagandizing undone, to exploitation of a useful resource (or likely some combination of motives). And Myria and Crimson could be working towards a common goal, or they could have separate goals that simply align enough or benefit from their cooperation.

Sienna's probably the only one we know well enough to be confident in assessing- we were speculating that her scam could indicate she was a newbie testing the waters on our first meeting.

Amaranth might be able to fill in some blanks later- she knows both of them better in their civilian identities, and she might be able to put some pieces together with the new information we learned here.

>>94943
>There's no reason people in a group can't have separate motives.
Pretty much, yeah. I mean, we're Infernals, look at all the infighting, even between Sky's Edge and Amaranth.

>>/quest/671157

Ha, it's true that "servants of demons who stole the power of the Sun" describes Infernals and Abyssals quite adequately.

What the DBs conveniently omit is that said power was stolen from THEIR stash of loot.

>>94963
To be absolutely fair, 99.99% of DBs know fuck all about this, they just believe what's been told to them for generations. They're suckers for the Immaculate philosophy too, especially since it tells them they're at the top of the heap. I think only the heads of the families and the ones that directly work for Sidereals might know the truth.

Update schedule change, due to an invitation to do regular social-type things. EBO is now scheduled to update every day except for Mondays and Thursdays.

Of course, I guess the update schedule was pretty loose in the first place, so this isn't much of change.

>>94966
OK, thanks.
...
What we need now is an animated PSA with the big flashing disclaimer "THIS IS WHAT DRAGON-BLOODED ACTUALLY BELIEVE"

>quests
>having an actual scheduled
An oddity, to be sure.

I think I'm pretty happy with how that went. We kind of messed up letting Amaranth be roped into that, although I think it might have actually helped us (I suspect they might not have revealed Crimson she hadn't called them out on it, and we looked stronger as two agents of the same power cooperating on a mission than one distant representative before three heros. It made us look more organized). Myria we nailed, though. She's ripe for exploitation, if we play it right.

Has Bulitar been quiet cause we're busy, or seem to be self sufficient, or have we impressed or baffled him into silence?

> Has Bulitar been quiet cause we're busy, or seem to be self sufficient, or have we impressed or baffled him into silence?

The original idea was that the readers were Bulitar, although things have moved to more direct control of Edge/Mirth. She'll undoubtedly show up again.

>The original idea was that the readers were Bulitar, although things have moved to more direct control of Edge/Mirth. She'll undoubtedly show up again.
Speaking as a dice & paper GM (of other games, obv) Bulitar seems like a textbook-simple method of delivering world-knowledge common sense that the players don't have, and second-guessing our more questionable inspirations.

Speaking of saving creation from collapse, I'm pondering whether that's reasonably possible. The short list seems to require (in increasing order of difficulty):
1) Stalemate the neverborn.
2) Repulse the fay.
3) Address the root causes of the usurpation that had most of creation and even some of the primordials working against all the other primordials.
4) Restore the defeated primordials from the yozis and neverborn.

Parts one and two seem like something the solars and lunars could (eventually) pull off if the empire and the bronze faction were helping instead of hindering them. The other parts are, er, kinda fantastic-level impossible I guess, and getting them done in the wrong order promises to collapse everything anyhow.

>>95013
To be absolutely honest, the Neverborn and Deathlords are incompetent. They already nearly destroyed creation with the Great Contagion, then ruined their own advantage when they invited the fey to spoil their contagion. Their biggest advantage was secrecy, and the Mask of Winters lost that in exchange for what amounts to nothing on a Creationwide scale.

The fey aren't a large-scale threat, since it's nearly impossible to unite them.

3 and 4 are unnecessary and based on dubious premises. The Primordials aren't needed to keep Creation going, and they're absolutely titanic jackasses. They're better off imprisoned and/or dead.

Regardless of if we try to make her a bride or not, I think we got a good approach for recruiting / corrupting Myria.

Continue to sell information, build rapport, convince her the Yozi aren't so bad, get her to sell out to demons for security and for all the yummy lore and secrets they can provide.

> 1) Stalemate the neverborn.

Better to banish the Deathlords (good luck doing that to thirteen Essence-10 ghosts) and seal away the Neverborn (again). See - more cleaning up the mess of the First Age.

> 2) Repulse the fay.

This is more something that's just going to have to be done continuously. With the Shinma lost, and no Primordials around to stabilize Creation, there's no way to permanently achieve this. Luckily, there almost certainly won't be another Baldorian Crusade.

> 3) Address the root causes of the usurpation that had most of creation and even some of the primordials working against all the other primordials.

The root cause of the Usurpation was the Great Curse. First obstacle would be finding that out, then getting rid of it - it'd probably take Autochthon personally scrubbing each Exaltation, and, well, that's not going to happen.

> 4) Restore the defeated primordials from the yozis and neverborn.

Agreed with the previous Anon - this is a terrible idea. Better yet to reinforce Malfeas and seal away the Neverborn.


But none of this actually has anything to do with the quest.

I think.

>>95018
Technically, you could also make every Solar and Infernal into an Abyssal, then redeem them. The Curse gets lifted when the Neverborn and the Abyssal have their face-to-eldritch-abomination, iirc. So having Autocthton do it is still significantly more likely.

And it should be noted that the deathlords are E10 ghosts hepped up on Neverborn Essence. Normal E10 ghosts are... well, formidable to the scope of normal games, but incredibly weak compared to anything else at E10.

>The root cause of the Usurpation was the Great Curse.
Wrong event, not the fall of the first golden age, the war of usurpation against the primordials. With the fay biting giant chunks out of creation and the neverborn and fay stealing souls that creation needs to reincarnate to keep working the whole system needs the primordials back to rebuild it. Yeah, most of the primordials must have been jackasses if the gods mostly hated them and they had no shortage of mortal volunteers for a pyrrhic revolt. Gotta fix that design problem with the way they ran creation that lead to it wanting to revolt.