Awesome world-map thing!

ur a man!

Ed Pastry 2009/09/03(Thu)16:55 No. 2001 ID: 35cea2
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Time for a bump poorly disguised as backstory!


The Kiln have virtually no major cities, they are entirely a guild based society. Each guild functions like a tiny nation, electing their own leaders, setting laws and regulations and managing contact with the rest of the world. Halltown is the closest thing the Kiln have to a city, and even then it is just a very poorly organized cluster of guildhalls. Most guilds fit within these four categories: research, craft, mercenary, and service. The Kiln are a very inventive people; most guilds have well-funded and highly active R&D divisions. These guilds are responsible for most of Caelum’s inventions, but in reality very few are practical at all.

Mercenaries make up the entirety of the Kiln fighting force. These particular guilds range from simple market guards to powerful paramilitary organizations. The real power of Kiln mercenaries is that they generally use the best equipment they can afford, which is almost everything on the market. The Condotierri is the most largest, most powerful and wealthiest of these organizations. They are also the most difficult to draw, which is why you probably won't see them in Simon's adventures.

>>2001
I would be interested in getting one of these on the other races too, when you have time. I very much like The End's backstory.

What do the various species have affinities and talents for, compared to one another?

The impression I'd initially gotten was that the Kiln were kind of weak compared to most of the other races, but if they can function as elite mercenaries, clearly they can compete. And then you've got Strawmen that can get by as pirates, so hey.

Ed Pastry 2009/09/13(Sun)18:31 No. 2644 ID: 35cea2
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Cobble society is centered on businesses and corporations. The United Trade Bloc is the closest thing the Cobble has to a Federal government, protecting the rights of citizens and corporations by defining laws, but even then it could be considered as another corporation itself. The UTB has numerous secret police forces under its control, but won’t hesitate to resort to hiring out other races to do their dirty work. The Cobble are cautious nearly to the point of paranoia when they believe they are threatened, which means they will quickly move to eliminate any perceived threat as swiftly as possible.

Despite measures taken by the UTB and many other of the morally upright corporations, crime remains a serious problem. Unscrupulous businesses use underhanded tactics to increase their profit margins, and crime syndicates tarnish Cobble society with strings of theft, violence and manipulation.

The Cobble themselves are generally reserved in temperance and straightforward in conversation. Written language is especially important in their society, where every printed word is considered to have the power to change the world around it. Physiologically, the Cobble are very tough-skinned yet rather inflexible. Their bodies appear to be made of unbending segments of stone, their hair is like needles of volcanic glass and their innards feel like wet and slightly elastic rock.

>>312444
That's the first race description I've read that includes what the innards feel like. Cool.

>>312444
Cobble babby = pet rock

>>312444

Oh wow.

I just got the joke about the city.

>>312455
I'll save you the trouble of slowpoke.jpg
You know you what you did.

In other news: requesting further information about the Bay of Soup.

I just realized the double meaning of having strawman villains.

Ed Pastry 2009/09/15(Tue)17:51 No. 2838 ID: 35cea2
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>>312563

All that water that falls off the edge of the world has to wind up somewhere.

The water that falls off gets collected into underground rivers, most of which flow into large chambers under the Bay of Soup. The water in these cauldrons are heated by magma and evaporate into steam that rises to the surface, giving the appearance that the Bay is constantly boiling. There are other smaller geysers scattered around, but the Bay of soup is the largest cluster of these. The steam allows the water that falls off the edge to return to the water cycle as water vapor and replenish the world's oceans and lakes.

The surface of the Bay itself is very warm and turbulent, but not enough to harm people that go for a swim due to the fact that the steam bubbles cool and break apart by the time the reach the surface.

Ed Pastry 2009/09/28(Mon)19:37 No. 3393 ID: 35cea2
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Sculptor had great difficulty in creating the first Mudmen; they were very weak and short lived. Eventually he covered their soft bodies in grasses and cloth to protect them, turning them into the Strawmen. The Strawmen cannot heal injuries to their skin-cloth naturally; they must sew it back up themselves and use new cloth for damaged parts. Grizzled war veterans often resemble patchwork quilts.

Strawmen history is filled with constant hardship and strife. Plagues, floods, earthquakes and war threatened time and time again to remove their race from existence. Through determination and ingenuity, the Strawmen have overcome these hardships one by one and have finally unified themselves into a single political entity, the Gran Imperio.

The Strawman military is very strict and rigid organization. Each citizen must serve 2 years of service in the Imperial Navy. Strawmen lack the technology and skill of the Cobble or Kiln, and the sheer might and agility of the Clockworks, Arids and Cremates. Their real strength comes from their Navy. The Imperial Navy's dominance of air and sea is unmatched, containing the most advanced airships and aquatic vessels in Caelum.

The notorious Strawmen pirates consist mainly of rebellious ex-Navy soldiers and bands of brigands who have managed to get their hands on an airship. These outlaws have their hideouts scattered throughout the world, away from the prying eyes of civilization. The pirates generally work independently, pillaging and looting undefended merchant ships and towns, but occasionally they will accept a contract offered by the less scrupulous governments of Caelum and work as mercenaries.

Ed Pastry 2009/10/01(Thu)20:43 No. 3970 ID: 35cea2
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Cremate bodies are large and stout, covered in tough, red skin dotted with brightly glowing orange spots. The single gelatinous eye in the middle of their head also functions as their mouth, absorbing food they put in it in a highly disturbing manner. Cremates can control their surface body temperatures, ranging from 30-250 degrees Celsius.

Cremates are rather reclusive, preferring to keep to their own kind whenever possible. Most of them live in The Sear's barren wastes, easily surviving the harsh temperatures and perpetual smog. They are able to consume the strange chemeosynthetic plants that grow there which no other race could stomach. The Cremates are divided into 4 smaller nations, who generally spend their time bickering over lands and resources.

The Cremates value honor and dignity very highly. As a result, their armed forces consist of knights and paladins who are often of noble birth. These warriors carry heavy armor and generally prefer close combat to ranged fighting. They make use of strange and terrifying energy weapons.

>>313770
That Cremate chick is stacked.

>>313770
They EAT with their EYE?

I guess they're all on seafood diets, eh? :D

>>313833
I should take you under my wing and teach you some things. You seem like you would be an apt pupil!
KEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Ed Pastry 2009/10/11(Sun)16:05 No. 4450 ID: 35cea2
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The Mechmen (more commonly referred to as “Clockworks”) are a strange race. Their skin is a series of thin, flexible metal plates. Their muscles are hydraulics. Their organs are complex mechanisms of gears and axles. Their brains are intricate machines made of incredibly small mechanisms, allowing them to mentally function as well as that of the (arguably) more organic races. Clockworks are created, not born. It is a process that only other Clockwork can (or bother to) comprehend. The process of making a Clockwork child takes up to a year of extremely hard work. When fully made, the Clockwork will slowly grow by consuming small parts and having their bizarre metabolism integrate those parts into their body until they are at their adult size.

Clockworks do not feel sexual attraction, thus their society has no real romantic relationships, and instead they have a much higher focus on friends and family. Though Clockworks technically have no genders, nearly all of them identify themselves as either male or female. The gender schema is likely to have been adopted due to early interactions with other cultures. Clockworks mostly live in small city-states; there are no political ties between separate Clockwork cities. These are ruled by a popularly elected Mayor or Governor.

Clockwork soldiers are entirely volunteer forces. Each city-state has its own military, which is split into two branches. The Militia is comprised part time soldiers/policemen. They are given basic training and standard equipment and always stay within the city-state’s territory. The Guard is made up of full time soldiers who receive advanced training at a military college and are armed with superior equipment, who can also be sent abroad if necessary. The soldiers in the Guard often have their weaponry and armor attached directly to their bodies.

Ed Pastry 2009/10/30(Fri)20:36 No. 5374 ID: 35cea2
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The Arids are split into two major nations, the Southern Alliance with its capital in Mahbuht, and the Northern Union and its capital in Manham. Both nations have been quarreling over ownership of vast plains of worthless sand for well over a century. The nations are both virtually identical in politics, culture and economy. The only reason they hate each other is because of a dispute in a world tennis tournament decades years ago.

The Arids are a resourceful bunch, as they have an eon of experience of building impressive empires in the middle of a desert. Arids are generally amiable and friendly except when it comes to conversations about sports. Arid stadiums often have more action going on in the bleachers than in the field itself.

Though generally preferring passive diplomacy, the Arids are not unfamiliar with warfare. Influenced by life on the open desert, the Arids have developed many of their tactics on mobility. Various types of cavalry make up the main fighting force of the Arid arimes. They also often utilize various wild animals controlled remotely by an electronic implant.
Arids appear float in midair upon a small twister of their body sand. Numerous theories have sprung up on how they manage to do this, ranging from magnetic fields, to manipulation of air currents to "the author just doesn't care".

I fucking love your art style.

Well since it appears to be so popular now, (and by "so popular", I mean "practiced by two people") I'm going to ask YOU, THE READER, some very important questions.

1) What do you like about my quest?
2) What do you dislike about my quest?
3) Should I change anything about my quest?
4) What is love?
5) What is the antiderivative of x/(25-x^2)?
6) What is your name?
7) What is your mission?
8) What is your favorite color?
9) What is the average speed of a swallow?

Please feel free to disregard questions 4 thru 9

>>317730
>What do you like about my quest?
I like the characters, the setting, and the interesting yet not particularly stressful situations... aside from the impending threat of the world ending.

>What do you dislike about my quest?
The inventory is getting a little cluttered. It's hard to tell what items will be useful later.

>Should I change anything about my quest?
I dunno. It looks like the adventure's about to get really nonlinear, and that makes me a bit nervous.

>What is love?
baby don't hurt me
don't hurt me
no more

>What is the antiderivative of x/(25-x^2)?
That would be (-1/2)ln|25 - x^2| + C

>What is your name?
Not giving that out.

>What is your mission?
To post all over the place and give serious suggestions so the protags don't get horribly injured or what have you.

>What is your favorite color?
Cobalt blue.

>What is the average speed of a swallow?
Depends on what kind it is.

>>317730
I don't actually read your quest, but it seems to be popular to answer these things so I'm going to give YOU, THE QUESTER, some very silly answers.


>1) What do you like about my quest?
It's been going on for quite some time, so that's an accomplishment I suppose.

>2) What do you dislike about my quest?
That it's taking time away from that one anti-sex joke quest you started at some point.

>3) Should I change anything about my quest?
Probably, but you'll get there, so don't stress about it.

>4) What is love?
Baby don't hurt me.

>5) What is the antiderivative of x/(25-x^2)?
With respect to what?!

>6) What is your name?
A cultural label used to identify and represent me in social interactions.

>7) What is your mission?
To beat the Soviet Union's record.

>8) What is your favorite color?
Blue. No, yellOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhh-

>9) What is the average speed of a swallow?
African or European?!

>1) What do you like about my quest?
The character interaction. The jokes. The cool setting. The epic yet direct goal.
>2) What do you dislike about my quest?
Sometimes I get confused about what options are available or what venues can or should be explored.
>3) Should I change anything about my quest?
Probably, but I can't think of what.
I guess going by my answer to 2, more recaps? On the other hand, you already do the most recapping of any quest I can think of...
>4) What is love?
Love is free.
>5) What is the antiderivative of x/(25-x^2)?
I used to know how to do that...

>1) What do you like about my quest?
I like the fact that you have a thought out, consistent world, and are running the quest in the world, rather than the other way around.
I also like the serious goal, but humorous everything else.
>2) What do you dislike about my quest?
The only thing I can think to complain about is how infrequently you update, to be honest. Don't you draw everything with a mouse?

>3) Should I change anything about my quest?
Really I enjoy it thoroughly so far, I can't think of anything to change that's really within your immediate power to do so.

>1) What do you like about my quest?
I love the characters, they're very charismatic.

I love that the humorous nature of the quest, yet you can take the plot and the situations seriously.

The world setting is original and consistent. Also you don't see every day a homebrew setting with humorous tone.

I also like the non-linear style and the freedom you give to the players.

Finally, I'd also like to say that even when the art looks MSpaint-ish, you've managed to keep a style of your own, and gives the game a colorful and appealing look.

>2) What do you dislike about my quest?

You update it veeeeeery slowly. Sometimes you just update a post per week.

>3) Should I change anything about my quest?

Update faster.

Thanks for the feedback guys. I've been busy the past few months, but now that it's winter break I promise I will update The End more often (my new quest will not take away time from The End, I promise)

Also, I will try my best to clear some of the confusion surrounding the inventory system. I'll probably recommend which items are unnecessary and maybe do away with the weight restriction.

Oh, and

>... I'd also like to say that even when the art looks MSpaint-ish...

That's because it IS MSPaint! The king of all digital art programs. Anything else is smalltime.

Ed Pastry 2009/12/21(Mon)21:50 No. 7998 ID: 35cea2
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Since I see no reason to start a new thread, use this one if any of you feel the need to discuss my newest quest: The Icon.

It's neato.

I guess the choice between Salamis A, Cadmus A, and Cadmus B means whether it'll be like Battlestar Galactica, James Cameron's Avatar, or Homeworld?

Now is Caelum a flat disc? Is the anomaly a flat disc or is it a ring shape?

So, how long before we start arguing about Transhumanism? I figure in two or so game years when we start running low on manpower and start trying to research Clone Tanks. Then it'll just make sense to research people designed to survive with less oxygen, and who mature faster, or come out of the tanks as adults, and so on...

>>317876

We will get there when we get there. This likely WILL be an issue later, as I want to make this quest as diverse as possible when it comes to conflict.

transhumanism seems a logical way to deal with our shortage of people and to adapt to space.

Test Pattern 2010/01/09(Sat)10:47 No. 8782 ID: 51d0f5
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http://www.tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/95893.html#108064
>I know we won't find it soon. Had I been in overall command we would have keept going away from earth for another 40-100 years before settling down. This planet just feel to close to the enemy for comfort.

My plan for the natives: FIRST learn the language, THEN find out their cultural values, THEN figure out how to recruit them.

Most likely, just start hiring them in exchange for durable hand tools, nails, etc. A fair and honest deal. No enslaving, kidnapping, or killing.

And don't claim to be gods. What, is being creatures with magical tools and weapons from beyond the sky not good enough?

>>318585
claiming godhood is silly indeed.

my quarrel on this situation is if they join the hyoomans alliance they are now also subjected to exterminatus by the breakers.

also test, what about makin a shipyard in the nebula? :3 if it depended on me we would go all like THIS IS OUR GARDEN BITCH and harvest the lol out of it.

we have no ships able to make food?

Ah so here we have it. Wee quest discussion.

Ok summing up my opinions.

1: Get the fuck off Ithaka. It's to close to Sol and chances are the Breakers will spot radiation from our industry and communications and then go after us. That and despite what anyone may think I don't want to commit genocide against the natives or drag them into one by corrupting them in the eyes of the Breakers.

2: No contact with the natives. They are not ready to interact with a high tech species. They do not posses the sociological, theological or technological level of development necessary to resist our cultural influences or suffciently understand our technology. There is no way I see it that we can introduce them to our society without relegating them to an easily distinguished lower class. That and I still think the Breakers will come and will exterminate them because of us having corrupted them, and the natives do not have fancy space ships to escape in.

3: I'm willing to do whatever is necessary to ensure the survival and success of mankind in the current war of extermination against the breakers. Any fucking thing. If every other life form in the universe has to wiped out to make that happen then I'm willing to do so.

My plan for the natives:
(okay, no gods, no stealing kids, plan v.3.0)
1. Learn what intelligence level they are.
If Human/Nautil-level or higher, then:
2. Learn their language and basic culture.
3. Appear as benevolent "elder brothers".
4. Give valuable gifts, heal them, feed them, teach them basic technology.
5. Speak to village leader that they will get it all on a constant basis if they join the Glorious Empire of Man and Nautil.
6. If yes, continue, with increasing teaching overtime, and accepting youngsters as equals into your schools and society. If no, just keep in good terms with the savages.
7. In any case, continue to be benevolent to them. And in any case, ask for some youngsters to take with you to live and be educated in Monument.

the beauty of the natives is that we can show honor and duty at the same time.

we dont mess with them. the beakers come and waste the planet, we show them the innocent they are killing and think about the orders.

we help them unilaterally. the beaker wonder where is the species that was rumored to end everything and ponder.

we help them with retribution.well this is problaby the worse case for us, as we would look stupid for dragging a new civilization to this most likely for our benefits.

as transhumanism... i always favored construcs. skill impressions on cybernetic brains, reconstruction from last know brain scan, duplication of commonly sucessful brain patters to create fully growth adult...

>>318592
Well according to the backstory the Breakers don't only know that their god exists and created them. They're in communication with him. They eradicated mankind because he ordered it, nothing else. I don't think the fact that we suddenly play nice with a bunch of primitive aliens would impress them or make them question anything.

As for using constructs. Sure as long as we don't make it into a sentient AI. I'm however a but more in favour of a cloning programme coupled with benefits to families with 6+ children and awards for families with 16+ children as well as lowering the age of acceptade marriages alongside with the age of consent so long as the couple don't have to big of an age divider. But some constructs for keeping things going before we can get a proper logarithmical population expansion going should be fine.

>>318588

Honestly, the breakers seem like the kind who'd just crack their world open cause we're on it anyway.

Test Pattern 2010/01/09(Sat)12:31 No. 8796 ID: 51d0f5
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>3: I'm willing to do whatever is necessary to ensure the survival and success of mankind in the current war of extermination against the breakers. Any fucking thing. If every other life form in the universe has to wiped out to make that happen then I'm willing to do so.

>>318596
I'm not sure I get the reference but thank you. It's a very nice plushie. The smile is little bit disturbing, but otherwise very nice.

Re: Gesters and Breakers.

I suggest we should integrate this race into our society not to try to impress the Breakers (I assume that it would be pointless), but for our (Humans, Nautils and Gesters) mutual benefit.

And if the Breakers arrive - we all shall stand to defend our new home - Human, Nautil, Gester - together as one!

the breakers may understand honor, they surely understand duty.

i just dont know if they know why we had to be killed. either way it works.

we already have a transhumanism program running also. consider the nautiloi for example. we could be a dick and hide our gene pool in several native worlds that had any kind of life. they would eventually develop sentience while cloaked from the breaker sight, find our debris and INSERT COIN TO CONTINUE screen would pop up.

>>318600
if breaker arrive we are dust. we coulnt scratch them before, we cant now.

also what would you think of a latent AI? we have our drones doing our biding, when a certain failsafe device is triggered, a master AI wakes up and uses the drones to rebuild everything, now with sentient AIs.

>>318598
Okay, how about this.

Step 0: There are aliens which it could benefit us to kill.
Step 1: Exterminate!
Step 2: One day after you start killing them, some neutral, previously undiscovered aliens show up.
Step 3: New aliens go "Holy crap!"
Step 4: Say "Be our allies. We're totally trustworthy and honorable and our cause is just," while standing on a pile of skulls.
Step 5: Fight new guys.
Step 6: Repeat previous steps.
Step 7: Shotgun wedding with Eva Braun.
Step 8: Ditch full of gasoline.

My point is that even if you don't care about morals, it'll still never ever ever be a good idea.

>>318605
I never said it was a good idea. Atleast not with the Gesters. The Breakers are a whole other deal. At the very least I say we destroy their culture and destroy them as an independant political entity, as well as wipe out say 90% of them. But the killing part isn't really necessary.

The Gesters however I don't really want anything to do with. I don't see them as being useful for anything except possibly an emergancy protein source that may not work. It will take decades of hard work before we can get them to come to an acceptable developmental level where they can be useful for us, and I don't think we have that much time before a Breaker scout fleet shows up. If we needed large amount of cannon fodder for a ground war then they could be useful. As it currently stands they would be useless.

>>318606
this may not be true. they hold knowledge of the land.

they know of the properties of plants, wells and rivers, what is edible and what isnt, the trails in forests and savannas, the predators...

>>318607
Which would be all very useful if we were shipwrecked during the 1400. It's useless information to us and because they're not the same species it's probably even more useless. What heals them may very well kill us.

>>318608
or the breaker.

altho it does seem we are short on manpower. the anomaly should come first.

>>318610
I don't think we will get a chance to feed them delicious poison.

But I agree that we should focus on the anomaly. That tech could be incredibly useful and cold possibly lead us to other non hostile sentients that would actually be useful.

Okay, first off, I think most of us are going to try to have a friendly, mutually beneficial relationship with the Gesters, and aren't in a hurry to run away from the planet because we "only" ran away for 5 years instead of 40-100.

If you're willing to accept a 60 year uncertainty in the timetable, how about we build up here for 20-40 years and then launch dedicated colonization ships without leaving this place?

As for what to research immediately...

>they know of the properties of plants, wells and rivers, what is edible and what isnt, the trails in forests and savannas, the predators...
It'd also be handy to have them go "Oh. Breakers? Yeah. They drop by every 25 years for target practice, but they never check under the water, so we can usually hide."

Or, y'know. Something. We don't know yet. Also, it'll only take 3 months to learn their language, VS 12 months for the artifact. So let's do that first.

>>318615
id like to request the constructions of actual housing and more labs.

>>318616
goshdarnit. i forgot we need the civilians equipped with firearms and/or knifes to fend off natural life.

would it be good to make a fence, wall or perimeter around the colonies?

>>318615
I'm ok with that. So long as we're prepared to leave the planet and find a better one.

I still think it's a mistake to meddle with a developing sentient culture but the damage has already been done so we may as well keep a few outposts on islands and minimise our interaction with them.

>60 years
yeah, you see, no.

they dont know we are alive. we have no purpose to build a army till we have how to do battle. we should just worry with spies (that should have noticed the beacon lightin up) and eventual breaker patrol until we can literally dig a army.

also macross was fun, but we shouldnt be so dispersed.

>we still use temp housing and we are somewhat vulnerable to spyworks.
What spies? Gesters are the size of a baby elephant and armed with sticks. If they can sneak past a garrison of a thousand dudes with orbital and air support, they probably deserve whatever they're trying to steal.

>>318623
i am thinking of a scout that was supposed to be here when that beacon lit up.

well its not here so what if there is a invisible dude walking around us?

>invisible dude
...I guess we could put up some posters telling people to be on the lookout for invisible super-advanced faster than light alien spy robots. I think it will mostly just make them sad.

>something im also not entirely satisfied is that we are getting most of our fuel from the nebula. in a emergency we wont be able to make it here.
Dude. We've got 10-20 years worth of fuel. Plus, if all our ships suddenly explode, we can fire up the uranium mine immediately.

And yes, superconductors come in slow, but we don't need very many for buildings. Each building needs like 0-4 superconductors, but 50-100 metal. We've got enough superconductors sitting around for like a dozen buildings, but we've got shit for metal.

>Bit of a hardon for the metals, huh?
Well yeah. Our work crews are mostly just sitting around waiting for more metal. We've got a surplus of every other resource.

Besides. Haven't you guys played Total Annihilation?

>>318624
Whoever built that beacon could probably teleport entire fleets. If they can still use that level of tech then we're dead unless they feel friendly. It probably lit up because our ships got near.

>>318630
the builder of the beacon was either the breakers or the dude that sic them on us. search for the prelude in the archives.

>>318631
I can't say that I see any proof of that in the preludes. Then there's what our researcher on the spot told us. There was no evidence of similarities between the anomaly and the Breakers. So I would guess it's either from a species that is accepted by the Breakers creator or one that predates him and is now extinct or possibly ascended to another plane of existance.

Which actually makes it possible that it's tech from his species past. But I still think it's not that closely related with him and especially not with the Breakers.

>>318633
because the researches do not know of their masters. we also couldnt even peform diplomatic envoys with the breakers. they simply poped in, poped us and poped out.

this is actualy good news. we know our galaxy has 2 beacons, if we salvage one, we may be able to use the other one to bottleneck us, while building up with the reverse engineered tech from the other.

>>318634
I still don't really see any similarity between the master and the anomaly beacon thingie. I just think it's something left from a species that has declined or possibly wiped itself out.

>>318636
/facepalm

test, we need to queue apartments and destroy the temp housing...

>>318637
I honestly can't see any real similarity between the two. I checked the image of the map as well as the prelude. Nothing I saw there seemed to point towards the breakers creator. So if there's something I'm missing then please tell me.

spare 1 COMMANDO and a camera.

send him to investigate surroundings alone.

name him TERRY BEAR.

watch the new discovery channel, slowly teaching you to survive nonetheless =3

I'm not fully sure how many apartments we have. I asked for 2 at Slater, but I don't see any there. I guess maybe they got canceled for that useless Uranium derrick someone asked for...

Okay. So you're right. It looks like we have 6 apartments, meaning permanent housing for only 3,000 folks, plus temp for 1,500 more.

So we need, uh, 550 metal worth of new apartments to make enough for everyone...

>>318638
its simply the fact that the breakers where indeed somewhere in this galaxy and arrived trhu some unknow means.

if their master race send them, then its also likely he gaved them a means of transport. the beacon is able to transport a fleet, and a activation key has been found, to wich it posses no particular markings but of another beacon pretty far from here. they most likely left it here because its not made of any specific material nor requires tecnology to be crafted.

it could be of our galaxy too, but then we would be in a perfect defensive position.

>>318640
im beginning to think makin a sattelite city was a BAD IDEA.

>>318642
Why? We can easily spread the new apartments between both cities.

>>318641
Why couldn't they simply have used normal old fashioned FTL drive? The Breakers do after all exist in the same material universe as mankind and it seemed like they already knew of where to find us. Their master didn't have to give any more instructions than third planet from sol.

>>318643
that could be cool, but for what purpose? communting 4+ hours between both colonies?

we need them together to make BABIES. second colony should be a service colony, but all it has in particular is uranium. we could train military there but thats pretty much settled in monu.

for a factory, transporting would be an ass even with dropships.

maybe we can make it a resort. a GLOWING resort.

>>318644
we are using galaxies. sure, a sample .8c drive could take us to pluto in a few minutes, but we are talking of distances that matches 30+ light years from here to andromeda, the closest one.

even with 10c FTL it would take 3 years traveltime

>>318645
>communting 4+ hours between both colonies?
The apartments are so they don't have to commute. There's a Uranium mine there, an airfield, and all of our Ceramists. Plus we've got more humans than we have jobs at the moment. (Which is why we need metal so bad)

Also, we don't really need more soldiers. If anything, we're going to need to disband some later, to retrain them as workers or specialists.

>>318645
forks, i let my paranoia go numb.

with 2 colonies we are more likely to have a ransom occuring. since neither of them are well hidden, its also safe to say that the safety of being divided doesnt exist.

it just occured to me. we have a carrier.

>>318647
mainly because they know each other. they would move from each colony for leisure purposes; we should encourage them to have intimacies, not to split 8l humans unevenly because of a freaking uranus mine.

im leaving for the night (i hope, class in less that 9 hours and i need sleep) and id like to ask for a stadium and other leisure options to be considered in the sattelite city.

You need to be thinking less Homeworld, more Outpost 2...

im thinking that if spaceships costs so much, space ore should be plentyful.

Ed Pastry 2010/01/09(Sat)21:09 No. 8858 ID: 35cea2
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The map on the Anomaly, as requested.

>Gesters have a religion based on worship of the weather and the sun
This is a good sign. If they had a religion based on worship of dragon men in sky chariots, that'd be bad.

>>318658
So the one we have seems to have a connection to the huge triangle in the center. We could use this to possibly access other anomalies.

>>318658
Neat, we're connected directly to the central hub. Which makes it even more odd that there were no guards around if the civilisation that built it is still around. Something that allows direct access to the transport hub of your empire should be guarded with a pretty big fleet as well as some pretty big and extremly well armed space stations.

When we get the chance we should fire that thing up. We could send a two seat fighter with a science intern to make sure it's safe. If they get back then it's obviosly ok and if not then we didn't lose anything truly vital.

5Copper 2010/01/10(Sun)07:40 No. 8871 ID: a43a7d
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wat. we are NOT 1. we are 2.

we found a icon that apparently leads to 1, wich should be where the breakers are.

now take a good look at the icon in the chapters.

also we should have 2 beacons. meaning we may disassemble this one without much problem, but we would have unknown assailants from unknow directions.

if we are indeed at 2, we are likely to have some smugglers and scouters. we may attempt to trade/ambush, but if they discover we are under a exterminatus order we are very dammed.

>>318671
I'm betting on us being at Numer 1. Rather than the disk tell us where we can go I think it tells us where we are and using it we can decide where to go.

And now I understand why you were saying it's the Masters tech. Odd that I never noticed that symbol on the opening picture. But then I'm very bad at noticing things directly in front of me, placing something in plain sight is often the best way to hide it from me.

But that still makes me wonder why there aren't more guards in the area as well as if the thing could even be a transdimensional portal. And if it's indeed breaker tech then that just reinforces my position of us getting the hell out of there immediatly. If they have a teleporter within two months travel time of our colony then we should get the fuck out of dodge and keep going for atleast another 5 years.

well i just wanted to make sure of one thing: happiness is linked to birth control?

>>318672
we can problaby try to deduce if its 1 or 2 if we use all info from the prelude. i dont think we are at one because defense would be easy and we woulnt be able to build up coz of small space.

even 5 months travel time would be insufficient. i am rather certain that the beacon warned something about our science fleet. the thing is, they may need to come from the breaker zone, wich may take more that 2 years if its from area 1.

ITT: speculations.

the central hub is US (looks like the beacon from above, even the indentation) and the icon is what was last used. the X|X is where the breakers are.

test, we really need the beacon tech researched.

we may as well start preparing to move again.

>>318675
...You know, that's actually a pretty damn good idea, mate. Now that you mention it, I -do- see what you mean about the anomaly being the circle in the center of the map. Huh.

>If we get the small factory going we can start churning out small arms for the civies to form a militia.

No offense, but I seriously don't understand what there is on the planet that needs more than 2,000 military personnel to defeat. Over 25% of the living human population is in the military right now. Do we seriously need MORE?

>>318687
It's not really about what we need today so much as about what we might need in the future. With some extra training before hand it would be easier to convert civvies into military if we have to in case of an emergancy.

It should also make it easier to keep the peace and stability if they get used to obeying orders, something that could be very valuable if we have to evacuate in a hurry.

But I guess part of my suggestions is my desire for a militaristic state. Having conscription into atleast the milita from the start makes that easier to attain.

Sheesh. How the heck did two game years go by...

This is my fault, really. (Plus the guy who suggested the useless Uranium derrick.) If we'd just built a Ceramist, more than one Smelter, and more than one Metal Derrick with our starting metal, we'd be way, way better off right now.

Anyhow. If the latest build order goes through without major incident, we'll finally have a slightly reasonable industrial base. Then we can start getting fancy. We shouldn't stop expanding mining operations, though, and instead expand until we run out of workers to man everything. If we really intend to construct spaceships, we'll need tens of thousands of units.

>>318687
its for self defense. we dont have actual means to protect us from the wildlife if smeone is to venture outside. if we get pinpointed by breaker ground units, disband and wait is a good way to keep the civs safe.

>>318688
we wont make them into military. just self defense tecniques and basic survival trainning.

cans i has the cost for a small factory in the carrier? i wanna try makin some outworld mining ops

If the Breakers find us, they'll just blow up both islands we're colonizing. Sidearms and militia training won't count for anything. Now, what we ARE going to start running out of, over the next few years, is Workers. We've already run out of Professionals. We need science so we can start building cloning facilities or robot factories or something.

On that note, maybe we should start sending expeditions to larger Gester population clusters. Remember the dots on the initial survey? Maybe they behave differently in those areas, and we can try to recruit some. (Though we're still years away from running out of humans to train)

>>318698
Militias are not military. But I doubt I will find support for my plans of a militaristic oligarchy lead by a council of admirals and generals. Where did all the homicidal people go? When I check through the archive the amount of suggestions for killing everything is alot more than nowdays.

>>318700
I think we should have enough humans to train simply throught the normal way before we run out of people to train.

Breeding like rabbits is something that I think should be encouraged. We should also look into gestation chamber tech, if we can make sure that every egg that get's fertalized brings octuplets we should be able to bring up our population pretty quickly.

>>318701
frankly i belive happiness levels influenciates pop increase.

i also think we should use drone tech to amass forces. they also do not require trainning. if we get cybernetics going, its actualy possible to make reflexively-piloted ships, halving trainning time and increasing ship efficiency.

lastly, we need to build up. 2 billions military wasnt enougth before, 2500 hyoomanz and 150~gesters arent gonna do it.

>>318712
Droids can be good for the short term but I don't think we should use them to replace all human labor. I also don't think we should give them sentience, somewhere around sub chimp level should work as long as we install the 3 laws.

For increase in the number of humans I think gestation chambers are our best bet. And that way our female population will still be able to work and they won't get the problems associated with multiple childbirths in rapid succession.

>>318724
>but I don't think we should use them to replace all human labor

Why not?

>>318725
Because it fosters dependance on robots for all labor. Something that could lead to humans being incapable of doing that labor so that in a situation where the droids are unavalible an unnecessary large amount of humans die simply because they don't know how to survive without the droids.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have any droids, I just think that we shouldn't depend on them.

But I do think that the idea of kamikazee bots in fighters loaded up to the max with nukes has some merit, but I would have to see a cost vs sucess ratio for them as well as the cost of building larger ship classes before I make any decision on that.

>>318726
ideally they will be SCRIPT driven robots until we face the actual need for sentient vessels. we cant use bandwith since that can be hacked, we just want them to peform a task for a certain amount of time and return to be re-scripted, repaired if needed and refueled.

a battlecruiser would contain a crew of what, 100? we make it a drone carrier, all the crewmen that would use drones would be replaced by a small number of drone tecnician. considering that we may not need to make drone on the fly, we also wont need specialized factories.

the most difficult of all will be to make drones serviceable. to become battle ready we need:

-weapons that can affect breaker
-armors that can resist to them
-numbers to fend them off.

another advantage of having drone only weaponry is that we will literally have 3 types of drones for the smallest frigate to the largest of the dreadnought. a small agile fighter, a sniper-bomber and a walker unit to board and protect ships. the ship type will only affect quantity of drones used and how much it can support them.

heck, we can even make a special nuclear reactor for them. our fucking frigates gettin cornered alone? cruisers facing dreadnoughts? send the drones in suicide mode. you dont even need to make a opening in their ships, just HUEG nuclear asplosions

>>318727
dang. about the drone number, a drone would takesome time to be made. however, troops and crew could take more and they arent exactly expendable. if we dim the crew need by 20%, thats 20% more ships we can build.

we would just need some specialized support vessels, since the drones would consume energy and ammo, need to be created out of enemy debris and most likely are to be hacked.

>>318728
actual AIs couldbe used, but at that point it would be to replace actual humans in factories and other things that requires decisions.

if we use cybernetic however, i think we can make ships that are reflexively piloted, leaving crew needs for only the commanding officers and repair crew (maybe) for modules, while we can have repair bots for the hull and armor plating.

you just get plugged to your station and control a few dozen of drones with scripts managed by you.

Man, you guys argue about the weirdest stuff. We are nowhere near making robots that can even partially assist human workers. Isn't it a little early to worry about what happens in 300 years of unmolested growth, where humans are, I guess, all delphic philosophers pontificating the secrets of the universe while robots do everything?

>>318730
tecnically this is a mid term plan, to adquire use-able units in the war and to defend yourself. as a short range plan we need the settlement functional and the long range plan is amass a army that can peform this war with a even force of the breaker. i do not discard diplomacy, however, as i wish to know exactly how many of our enemies

cybernetics is 1 step away, scout drones are there already, we just need the beacon tech to handle weapons, wich it just may not. afaik with 2 years we may have all the tech needed for scripted drones and drone-assisted spaceship vessels, just not with everything that i wanted. i still think that metal in space should be fairly easy to come by.

or even better, what about that planet with plenty of resources? we should use the carrier to make a killing there.

zo, how is research? :3

...We're 8,000 refugees in two tiny space towns.

The planet isn't exactly about to run out of iron. And we can't really research tons of things, because we only have 140 Professionals. It'll take 4 years before we get more.

>>318730
Not really because I think we're going to need more than 300 years of growth before we're even near ready to take on the Breakers. That was also why I think we need a clear cut vision for the people to follow. The Breakers cannot be allowed to become just myths alongside with the story of Earth. The memory must be keept alive alongside with a vision of what should be done about it.

Another reason why I don't like drones is because of the lack of initiative and thinking on the spot that you get with them. In military situations they may have to make important decisions on the spot, they're also a bit predictable in their actions. Even with FTL communications our fleets may have to fight over a large enough area that the lag between us giving an order and the drone recieving it will have rendered that order useless by the time it arrives. With humans on the spot able to react without having been ordered to do so we get a more effective military.

But there are other areas where drones could be useful. Space mining being one of those. It could also be useful to see if drone-controlled fighters could be used as torpedos against breaker ships. We know that railcannons didn't work on their shields so they may have those funky shields that let through objects below a certain velocity.

>>318733
they would mostly be close range drones, large drone swarms/ships would require sentient AIs or a hyooman to control them.

we cant really send entirely drone controlled fleets because they can get hacked. if they develop AIs that would also fuck things up with so much independence. we just need drones as expendable ordinance and to cut down personel need in ships. to train a soldier takes 6 months, but the soldier needed to age 18 years for that. if we simply make a BRIC that takes 8 months to be build with the same specs of the soldier, we can have a edge simply by building up and using the human to control 3~100 drones.

we are also not using transmision of any kind to control the drones. this eases the hacking. most drones will have a set of scripted actions, so if its damaged, it is running out of fuel, low ammo, cargo hold full, hyooman controller killed, etc it would access a scrit to peform a certain action.

kinda like dis:

if found a breaker:
-flank it, shoot it
if found unknow:
-report to hyoomans with radio, wait commant via radio
if low on ammo:
-return to dronebay
if low on health in battle:
-kamikaze'd
if idling:
-dock, wait orders from hyooman
if sentient:
-find orb of infinite psyche, start sidequest

>(Note: 145 PROFESSIONALS are used, due to the SMALL FACTORY needed 5)
Ffffffff... I forgot that part!

That means we can't build another factory for four years, unless we shut down a Lab! (Shutting down the medical facility or the schools is a terrible idea.)

>Cadmus B is surrounded only 2 lifeless, airless planets. The second is highly rich in SUPERCONDUCTORS.
Not really worth building a new colony on an incredibly hostile world just to get some more superconductors per derrick.

>Salamis A is surrounded by a gas giant and several smaller rocky planets. One of these planets is covered by a thick, methane-rich atmosphere. Underneath the cloud cover lies a blanket of anaerobic bacteria ranging from a centimeter to several miles deep in some places.
Sounds nasty and miserable. I'm glad we went here instead.

>We're gonna need another Uranium Derrick I think, that's the big shortage here.
Not really. At a glance, none of these build options can use Uranium faster than we can mine it. (Though, yes, we need to switch to running the generators on Fuel, for now.) Building a second derrick would be kind of nice, but isn't urgent.

On the other hand, look at all the ceramics and superconductors these things need!

But the real bottleneck here is Professionals. I'm... not sure what to do about that. I guess we'll worry about that after we research more stuff that needs them, and just suck it up and use the one Factory for now. Maybe we'll find a way to make more Research per scientist.

Start suggesting multi-month orders for the factory, guys. We take several months per turn, remember?

>>318904
fuck the factory then. make another lab or a school. how is the tech research btw?

we wont need uranium until we build spaceships and a few other weird things. 1 or 2 nukes would be cool, but ultimatively useless.

>fuck the factory then. make another lab or a school
We can't. We have 148 Professionals, and we're currently using 145 of them. 100 are manning the 2x Labs, 10 are manning the Medical Facility, 30 are manning 3x Schools, and 5 are manning the small factory. We can't make ANYthing else that needs Professionals for another 40 months.

>how is the tech research btw?
2 points per month. Hopefully we can design some kind of larger lab that works more efficiently than the two we have now.

...in fact, we should probably skip ahead and research that immediately. It's less efficient than researching a single tech to unlock all medium buildings at once, but if it gives us more research points (by letting us build it months earlier) than it costs, then it's worth it.

>>318907
wow fac requires very little.

so in 40 months we will have a utility burst. we should unlokc economy by then.

test, if we are truly stuck on personell, can we begin drone research after we dead end the anomaly tree?

>wow fac requires very little.
Yeah... and yet, too many. It means we can't make another one without turning something vitally important off.

>test, if we are truly stuck on personell, can we begin drone research after we dead end the anomaly tree?
We're not stuck on personnel in general. Just Scientists.

Scientists are going to be the LAST thing AI replaces. Replacing workers and soldiers with drones will be much easier. Once robots replace scientists, there's pretty much no use in having humans anymore.

Y'know, the original writeup for the factory doesn't say anything about needing Professionals at all...

>SMALL FACTORY - Enables construction of lighter vehicles, weapons and various civilian commodities. Requires 50 WORKERS to operate

...on the other hand, it also says it only constructs lighter vehicles, whereas this one apparently makes all kinds.

>>318927
wat. 1 professional = 10 worker?

>>318916
yeah, i thought we could free up workers or something. we should consider it for the soldiers.

On the bright side, seeing how we train infantry from workers, that means we can presumably demobilize infantry to serve as workers.

>>318658 is the map

the X|X was the only disk we found. the one next to the beacon drawning is from here. i can only assume that the disks of this beacon where tooked by whoever is at X|X, wich they left behind because it was used to activate it.

it looks like a clever-ish means of imposing a blockade but without having the danger of losing complete access.

>I'm betting on us being at Numer 1. Rather than the disk tell us where we can go I think it tells us where we are and using it we can decide where to go.
The anomaly is the big central triangle thingy on the map.

>If they have a teleporter within two months travel time of our colony then we should get the fuck out of dodge and keep going for atleast another 5 years.
If you're that worried, maybe we should just build a nuke and blow up the anomaly instead.

Though a better plan is to explore through it. Maybe we can flee THROUGH it if we're found.

yeah i know >>318675 tooked me a while to notice it.

the anomaly cant be asploded. it is made of equal material of the breaker ships, so its likely it wont even dent.

our sensors can give about 5 months warning if we get a incoming force. the anomaly is 2 months travel time.

we should however keep things low since its the only thing we got saving us. they belive we are ded, let them keep thinking that until we can fight back.

>>318943
i mean the distance is fine. we just need a quick evac plan.

test, what d you think of making a invisible interceptor and sending a nautiloi commando to investigate?

I think we have a nautil commando but do not have an invisible interceptor nor any ability to jerry rig one. I don't think we will be making invisible things for many years. I think we should just send a probe through and a team ASAP.

>>318949
the probe is fine by me, the team isnt.

our chance of salvation would lie in them, taking some time to scout the surroundings before warping onto us.

We totally need to do transhumanism. We've only got 8000 people.

>we shouldndt go trhu transhumanism path. id soon pick CE4 rather genetic imprint.
By 'CE4' I assume you're meaning Computer Systems IV? That's a really long ways away, and will probably require a whole lot of research points.

I have no idea why you think there's things like 'genetic imprint.' Did you find the strategy guide?

You really need to focus on things we can actually do instead of going on about cloaking super-robots it'll take us 50 years to design.

>the anomaly cant be asploded. it is made of equal material of the breaker ships
I keep telling you. The Breakers didn't build it. Also, the reason we couldn't hurt those guys is because of their shields, not their hulls.

Also, why do you think the artifact leads to more Breakers? It probably leads further away from them.

>>318954
this

>>318956
regarding transhumanism, id rather have AI assisted ships that to literally kidnap random tribes of gesters, inject human DNA to make them smarter, wait 2 to 20 years in order to then train something that may obey to us. this is a alliance, not a slavemaster company.

>I have no idea why you think there's things like 'genetic imprint.' Did you find the strategy guide?

i think he means what we did with the nautiloi.

>The Breakers didn't build it.
the master race did it. it has already been stated it defies our knowledge and posses incredible resistance. its plot armor.

>why do you think the artifact leads to more Breakers?
mainly because we are missing 9+ disks. i think they tooked the disks that didnt lead to their homes with them. the reason their disk got behind is simple, it was used as the key. so anyone willing to enter our galaxy to meet them can do that, but to leave will need to capture any of the disk in their possesion.

>the master race did it.
You don't actually know that, though. The map just looks sorta similar to what the Bunny God was thought bubbling. Moreover, we don't know that ICly.

>id rather have AI assisted ships that to literally kidnap random tribes of gesters, inject human DNA to make them smarter, wait 2 to 20 years in order to then train something that may obey to us
wat

>>318958
>wat
how in the name of lols where you considering the use of transhumanism?

clone vats are nice, but kinda off the point when we cant train people, plus actualy inserting them into a functional society.

this can also destroy the culture we have, thus the purpose to survive. we may as well make some sort of crazy AI bent to destroy all that thinks

>>318957
regarding transhumanism, id rather have AI assisted ships that to literally kidnap random tribes of gesters, inject human DNA to make them smarter, wait 2 to 20 years in order to then train something that may obey to us. this is a alliance, not a slavemaster company.

That's not transhumanism. If we were to go down the transhumanism path we can either take the cyborg or the genetic tampering path or a combination between the two. Among the bonuses this could give us is alot longer lived humans as well as stronger and more adaptable humans who can survive in more enviorments as well as digest more diverse food. Basically we make out 8000 humans worth alot more. Something I'm all for.

But I also think we need to consider the Aldous Huxleys "Brave new world" gestation chambers. If we can get atleast octuplets out of each egg as well as make sure that every egg becomes fertalized and is carried to term safely we can get out alot of kids fast. Sure they will have to grow up so it's not an immediate increase in manpower but once they're up and running we get a very large amount of people to play around with.

>>318963
a means to cheat death would be cool, but cloning is bad as i see it, de-personlized people is only cool if you are a evil dictator looking to overtrhow the republic from inside.

you think we could get some sort of skill inject system goin on?

Test Pattern 2010/01/18(Mon)00:16 No. 9254 ID: ec4966
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Some medium buildings.

we got NaNi, a gester in our settlement willing to live with us.

well, we have about 3 choices:

we send him to the farm. he learns, he teaches and OMGWTFSOMANYGESTERSBREEEDINGROLF

we send him to the factory. he learns and shows potential, and suddenly stone age. cue wooden caravans with stone crafts asking where our trade depots are.

we send him to the school. we learn more of him, he learns a little of everything and suddenly we have noble savants questioning the empyrical purpose of the sun and the moon in the gester non-existant economy.

either choice, we face the same problem: a tribal race is willing to interact with a space faring race THAT IS BEING HUNTED DOWN BECAUSE YES.

we should help the little dude, but not in a manner that can alter the course of HIS civilization.

Oh what the fuck. Time to get on with designaging a mobile Derrick for use on hostile enviorment planets. But I have an complete lack of drawfag ability so if we need a blueprint someone else will have to make one.

We need a complete mining derrick on it. As well as a generator to give it power to the mining equipment and propulsion. We also need living areas for the crew, a normal derrick requires 30 wokers so I suggest room for 90 to make sure we have some redundancy. It should also have storage area for 750 metal/ 150 uranium/ 45 superconducter ore. That way we can mine any of the three at full capacity for 1 year and 3 months if necessary. We should also keep food on the place for one and a half year as well as a large enough oxygen supply for that amount of time.

I suggest we use tracks and a good suspension system for propulsion. It should also have a few Luvs and maybe an apc for scouting and prospecting work. A few drones would probably be a good idea as well.

Ideally we can rotate the crew and bring back their cargo every 6 months, but if anything unforseen happens they can survive longer than that.

I'm not sure if we already have civilian blueprints for ships to handle transport of the derrick as well as cargo from it. But the intended use for it is on Cadmus B2 where we have reports that there are large amounts of superconducter ore. Something we don't really have in large amounts on Ithaka. And by making the derrick mobile we can move it around as needed and it becomes easier to bring it with us if we have to.

So, anyone else have any opinions or plans? I would like to get some feedback on it.

>>319078
i agree we should attempt mobile ways of getting stuff, but we shouldnt go to other planets. adding atmosphere reentry will fuck things up.

in order to build specialized spaceships we need a space station of some sort. we however have a carrier.

if we man the carrier with mining stuff, we can mine, however we would have nowhere to put a factory. we should build a space scaffold before a mobile mining ops can be made.

>>319081
Well that particular planet pretty much lacks an atmosphere. It's also very rich in a mineral we need for pretty much all of our more advanced stuff. We can get a space station for just 10 of them, but even just a corvette takes 40. And our Ithaka derricks dig up about 3 per month.

If we're going to be able to build more space ships and bigger ones in the future then we need more superconducters.

>>319083
we tecnically have 4 years until we get more professionals, we shouldnt rush to build ships we cant man yet.

if SC is our space bottleneck id be happy. if derricks work has described, makin a derrick in another planet will simply get it a bonus to extraction. we should consider upgrading everything here before going mobile.

>>319086
Well building the damn thing is still years away. It's mostly about the fact that we need to come up with a design before we can construct it.

And by making it mobile we make it easier to reuse it as well as move it to another ore vein. That and huge tracked machinery is cool.

>>319087
>>/quests/113979
that would be the orbital factory and 1 small factory working for 10 months for a corvette, 12 for a frig.

a cruise sized miner would take what, 3 years?

its quite fast considering a cargo vessel nowadays takes 2 years to be build. we should begin space scaffold and worry with space defenses.

>>319089
and by space defenses i mean to find a way to hurt and defend uselves effectively from the breaker.

we need a new type of armor denfese and shield.

i just realized the anomaly may be made of deuteronium. it has infinite innercia and made of unkown durable metals.

we should halt any plans to asplode it until we confirm its made of deuteronium or not. if it is, we have no chance whatsoever to reverse engineer the tecnology in its construction.

>And by making it mobile we make it easier to reuse it as well as move it to another ore vein.
But... it'd cost more than just building multiple regular derricks on multiple veins.

We have no legitimate need for mobile derricks. We have lots of resources.

>that would be the orbital factory and 1 small factory
We don't have enough Pros for that. I think we should run one or two Medium factories. It's not like we're even using the ships we do have very much. I'll be down with building some ships after we research, I don't know, colony ships with clone tanks in them or something.

>i just realized the anomaly may be made of deuteronium.
You mean neutronium? Not enough gravity for that.

>we need a new type of armor denfese and shield.
Like how?

>>/quest/114200
>test, we need units only enought to fill our dropships
I don't understand what you're asking for.

>>319122
>I don't understand what you're asking for.
we have some dropships. while it would be nice to have more units that we can ferry, we shouldnt have that many.

shut down the factory to peform upgrades.

>Like how?
i really dont know ._. i wanted to reverse enineer the anomaly's armor and theterization mechanism, but that doesnt seem to be nearly possible.

my best bet is the upgrade after improved metal. we should stop building units simply because if a breaker frigate drops by, we get toasted cuz plot armor and plot weapon. we need some plot of our own.

about the orbital factory. id like to keep in mind we should design some backbone structures as mobile space vessels. a hospital, living quartes and a farming dome would be excelent if we ever need to take off again.

All this Icon talk makes me miss The End more.

>>319122
Well the idea with a mobile derrick was that it would pay for itself eventually as it's easier to set up and move around and we can take it with us if we have to run. It's not something I had planned for right away, we have to research the vehicle/building before we could manufacture one anyway.

And we're going to need alot more supeconducters if we're going to build any of the bigger ship classes. And it's a rare ore on Ithaka.

But it's not something I'm dead set on having. I just thought it was a cool idea. There are more important things to me, like no more ineractions with the gesters. But I'm not going to make any headway there either so I'm dropping that one as well.

The idea I'm still interested in seeing some response towards is the idea of "Brave new world" style gestation chambers. That way we don't get clones but normal human kids. And we can minimise the risks for the children as well as the mothers as well as control how many kids we get.

>>319157
clones like in EvE would be nice, we could get some PC-schemes with the soldiers goin on.

if the problem is rebuilding, we should just have some material already placed in the carrier.

if we have time to mine while running we should be running faster.

>>319164
The idea is that they will not be clones. They will simply not be carried to term in uthero. It will be a completly normal child that is simply created through artificial insemination and then allowed to mature in a gestation chamber where we can control how many times the egg divides so that we can get twins or octuplets if we wish. The end result will not be a clone but a perfectly normal healthy human child.

Didn't anybody read Aldous Huxleys "Brave new word"? It's pretty much one of the technologies they have based their entire society around in that book.

The technology could probably be used to make clones as well. But with clones you can get all sorts of genetic problems. Something you can largely avoid with these children because they are created from a human egg that has been fertilized with a human sperm.

5Copper 2010/01/21(Thu)19:27 No. 9478 ID: 0e48df
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we need at least 2 more ground to ground guns on each settlement for coverage.

5Copper 2010/01/21(Thu)19:28 No. 9479 ID: 0e48df
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second pic. discuss this, or else!

>>319279
LOOK! A picture!

erm, its the red S for sam and red H for HOtwizer...

also i noticed we may need to take in consideration we may need to face the giant sea worms.

also also we need to make walls too.

Walls might make sense, but we hardly need a howitzer at each corner. I mean, they're howitzers. They can hit things dozens of miles away.

i just realized.

railguns would tear trhu any civ building, missiles and hotwizer are explosive.

we need urban warfare units. a police force would do.

<Test_Pattern> Gize, I know The Icon is complex and all, but we need to think of entertainment buildings.
<Test_Pattern> My current ideas are "Porno Factory," "Giant Sergal Statue," "Disgusting Burger Restaurant" and "Constantly Exploding Car"
<capt_slowpoke> I'd say roll a D4
<Dylan16807> That array sounds good, Test.
<GuardsmanGary> giant sergal prono factory
<Incompatible> A sergal on his way to a giant porno factory in a constantly exploding car.
<Ashsflames> While eating a Disgusting Burger

>>319286
of course we wont make that.

we will make a theater.

that is going to be our first play.

>>319300
We're also going to have to make an "Adventures of Rudy Mann. One Sauve Motherfucker!" TV series. It's to much awesome to just be a movie.

I wonder if Non-workers include actors and other service personal or if they're just uneducated dead weights until we can get them going through school.

I am strongly in favour of 'Constantly Exploding Car'.

>>/quest/116705
>we shouldnt count hor hope with their utility.
Give me an actual, no-BS downside to accepting them.

>>319321
They're herbivourus neolithic stone age people. Because they're herbivourus they need to eat more and as such the island we're on can't support a large gester population. Humans probably outnumber them on that island.

Then there's the amount of education we would have to give them. They didn't have a written language before we got there. So their mathematical skills would be limited to what they can count in their heads. And that's without using arabian numerals or calculation systems. Their theological understanding is on the worshiping nature stadium. Things like thunder and electrical currents are the act of gods to them, that they can create it themselves would seem like magic. This isn't about intelligence. This is about them being from a completly different mindset.

The existing generations would be of extremly limited use for us and only if we dedicate all our schools to teaching the coming generations could they be useful. At which point we should have young humans starting to go into the education system.

Then there is simply the logistical problems. They would need specilized food. They come from a low gravity planet so service on board ships would be difficult for them as would operating equiptment that's meant for a grown human that grew up in a 1g enviorment. And we have no idea what the oxygen concentration that humans need would do to them.

They pretty much have nothing to offer us that we cannot get in another way. If we get them too involved with us then they will be killed if the Breakers show up. We should be able to run thanks to our scanners but chances are that we can't bring any larger number of gesters with us.

>>319321
in a nutshell, this is not their fight.

to train them in order to expect them to help us with enemies that we coulnt even scratch is pretty much a scam.

>Because they're herbivourus they need to eat more
We're making four times as much food as we need and can easily make more.

>Then there's the amount of education we would have to give them.
No more than a completely uneducated human.

>At which point we should have young humans starting to go into the education system.
Like... a few hundred. We can train thousands.

>They pretty much have nothing to offer us that we cannot get in another way
Manpower. We're running out and have no way to make more any faster than we already are. You guys keep saying we can, but we can't.

>If we get them too involved with us then they will be killed if the Breakers show up.
It seems unlikely they'll kill the whole planet just because of us. The reason they're killing us is to save the other species, isn't it?

>in a nutshell, this is not their fight.
We're being truthful of our situation.

Sheesh. You guys... we NEED more dudes. We ran out of dudes. We have a severe dude shortage.

>>319358
Because they need to eat more there would be less of them on that island than there would be humans on a similar sized island.

And we need to educate them right from the start. We would have to take infants and raise them in human society and make them go through the normal school to make sure they get the knowledge they need. Adults and teenagers might be to set in their ways to learn. And that doesn't even start us on the logistical side. They come from a low gravity planet, they might not survive or thrive in an enviorment of 1 standard gravity, so they cannot serve on ships or space stations. They would also need specilized equipment since they don't have hands with fingers and we would have to make it in a weight that would fit them.

Human population increase should start picking up pretty soon. With genetic engineering II and the fact that there is no reason why you can't have how many kids you want should get us a larger increase soonish. Other than that we can use the freed up education personal to do other stuff until they're needed again. We also haven't fully explored automatication in the production process as a way to free up manpower to work on more stuff.

Yes they're killing us to keep us from corrupting other species. I don't think they would be unwilling to do what they did to Earth to Ithaka, gesters or no gesters. And the gesters would already have been corrupted.

Yes we're being truthful. Which isn't very helpful. The gesters can't imagine the destructive energies the breakers could bring. We could explain to them until we're hoarse but nothing short of a demonstration would make them believe us. Because space travel is something that's so far from them.

>Because they need to eat more there would be less of them on that island than there would be humans on a similar sized island.
Who cares?

>They come from a low gravity planet, they might not survive or thrive in an enviorment of 1 standard gravity, so they cannot serve on ships or space stations.
So you're saying there's too much gravity aboard a space station?

>Human population increase should start picking up pretty soon.
If by "pretty soon" you mean "30 years to have a noticeable and sizable effect."

Anyhoo. We can go back and forth until we're blue in the face, but these arguments just aren't very compelling. If they're going to blow up the whole planet because we've been on it, well, it's a little late for that now, huh?

>>319376
That was one of the reasons I was opposed to settling down on that planet. But I got outvoted.

Just like I'm likely to get outvoted on this matter.

And I'm taking a very long view on this quest. I think it will be hundreds of years before we can make a try on the breakers. 30 years isn't that much then.

>We're being truthful of our situation.
hello, please take a seat in the corner.

we are not. that teenage boy simply walked in and we welcomed him with open arms, but you fail to understand the situation he placed his kind into.

we are being EXTERMINATUS'd because of the danger we can impose to the master race. you may be willing to RP, but realistically, if the breaker find we have a civilization here teaching/coaching other species, they wont hesitate to exterminate these other species as well. they are inclusively a warrior race, and wont really try to argue honor and duty with something they where told to kill "because yes".

>Sheesh. You guys... we NEED more dudes. We ran out of dudes. We have a severe dude shortage.

a few hundred gesters will not change that. 1k gesters also wont. there may not be over 30k gesters world wide. sure we can passively absorb some gesters, but this would be so slow, we may not get the equivalent of 1% pop increase.

You are basing your objections purely on speculation.

>1k gesters also wont.
Yes they will.

>we should have kept running
We were going to starve.

>30 years isn't that much then.
Everything can be replaced except time.

>>319384
lets do transhumanism. we shoulndt shun the gesters that comes to us, but with their help we may damm the planet.

genetic engineering for implants and computer systems for drones should end the manpower need if we take in consideration that CS3 is already more that we had before.

ohai.

after sum thinking, we have a really peaceful community, but almost no actual offensive planned.

mainly i dont think we have a edge over the aliens, so im fine with it. we need more labs to develop at least better weapons to wreck their shields, then we can worry with the breaker armada.

I think at this point we should worry about how we're going to GTFO if the Breakers find us. Research Warp Tech!

>>319473
actualy we shoulnt have time to evac. even if we keep watch of the anomaly 24/7, we would have 2 months to warp away if they have dedicated scanners.

you think its possible to develop warp weapon? we need to strike them somehow, railguns are no good against their shields.

>can we mate our nukes to our cruise missiles.
im pretty sure we need genetic engineering XXXL to make that happen.

>>/quest/118782
>also take note: railguns are still useless. we should train units, but they are useless without a better weapon.
I'm making units on the assumption that a Space Pirate raid may occur at any time, but that our main priority remains with building up for the future as quickly as possible.

>>/quest/118919
15 Research points vs 45 Research points. This way we get new tech with the new turn. It's just tidy. (And we need more automation)

But hey, majority rules. On the bright side, in another turn, we'll go from 1 RP per month to 12.

>>319518
inty can take nukes too i belive. we should consider makin a few extras for lulz and spam.

if we repeat the scene from ID4 i will have many lolz with it.

Test Pattern 2010/01/26(Tue)17:51 No. 9720 ID: 51d0f5
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>inty can take nukes too i belive

>>319519
also ORBITAL FACTORY! inty may not be able to go further in space without support.

also what about interlaced walls and sauce to that meme?

>also ORBITAL FACTORY! inty may not be able to go further in space without support.
It'll have to wait until we have more Professionals, unfortunately. Though the majority, by far, will be tasked at researching a ton of stuff (this is going to be awesome!) while most of the rest will be training new workers.

>also what about interlaced walls
Infantry can use regular walls as defensive firing positions, so they don't need to be interlaced. They are, however, of questionable utility in a modern battlefield. I suspect they're more to keep out natives and wildlife, which is currently a non-issue.

>sauce to that meme?
You mean Advice Dog? Or the squirrel dude? I made the squirrel and that text. It's of an RPG character who had a very straightforward approach to durable opponents.

>>319562
we found ground breaker units in our planet without even a warning. problem is they have about 50 souls with some heavy infantry.

either we:
-landed in a already colonized planet for any odd reason(fun, trainning, etc)
-they sneaked on us and somehow missed us (50 people? what for? refueling?)
-they are trolling us, and that is their discovery channel (oh look, some pinkos survived, lets check thier clumsy attempts to return to normal life!)

If we make it through this crisis without having to flee the planet, and it's not discovered that they have guns that'll cut through concrete like a hot knife through butter, (in which case foxholes are simply better since they provide concealment) we'll build some walls.

well if we pull this right, we will have some allies and diplomatic insigth.

if shit goes slightly bad, we get breaker equiepment to reverse engineer. some commandos die, nani may not return.

if shit really hits the fan, we are so ded. and 8 commandos short.

You are completely bonkers if you think we're going to try negotiating with Breakers.

>>319691
oh we are not negotiating. just talking. and butterfingering small devices.

so, we need with certain urgency:

-implants for commandos
-warp core
-space perimeter
-braker wepons and armor

i dont know how many of you know but NaNi means "what" in japanese.

i laught thinking on a curious alien saying his name around base.

5Copper, no offense, but you really don't need to make a post about every single last thing that pops into your head.

>>319759
i was tense that day =c

Two basic options:

1) Leave immediately. Just drop everything and run for the Anomaly and hope for the best.
2) Stay here, maybe with a ship trailing the enemy scout, and try to get a lot of research done before we have to leave.

>>320471
There is the third option. A slow methodical evacuation. We can send a science team through the anomaly while the rest get ready to pack up and leave. If the anomaly turns out to now work as hoped then the rest of the fleet is still ready to leave and can go away in hopes of finding another decent planet.

But getting research done should be a big priority. Language algorithms just became a high priority area of research. Better FTL would be useful but I don't think we have the capacity to refit our ships as things currently stand.

>>320522
>>320471
we are most definitively not leaving.

they think the repair will take long. they dont even know how to peform the repair. we simply milk every officer and soldier for the greeting codes and IF they peform routine check ups we can fake some.

we will reverse engineer the crap out of everything. we will build up, and by up i mean in space. we need a space dock, their shields and guns on our frigates and destroyers.

we need transhumanism =c

>>320532
That would be all fine and dandy if not for one small detail. They already know we're there. One of their ships, who btw have stealth technology capable of fooling our sensors, took off to tell them. They know there are humans on that planet and I don't think we could build anything that would last through a planetary siege. Especially not since they have planet cracking tech and we have no help coming.

So they know we're there. They will be coming, deception, hiding or fortifying will likely not work and fighting will certainly not work. We can't interogate them since we can't communicate with them. And we don't have the facilities needed to be able to refit our ships even if we could manage to reverse engineer their stuff.

This pretty much leaves us with one possible option. We have to run, the only question is when.

Cheren 2010/02/16(Tue)21:54 No. 10759 ID: 354bcd
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Is it this guy?

>>320559

alsghqurg UNICRON?!?!?

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Y'know, real nautilus eyes are actually kind of creepy. They don't have a lens or cornea. The pupil is just an open hole, with the retina exposed to seawater.

>>320706
Dawww, so adorable!

>>320732

Urgh. Speak for yourself...

>>320739
Cutethulu...

Nautili in general are kinda cute. With their backwards swimming and how they're primarily shell. But the eyes are creepy, IMO.

So, apparently the Breakers have advanced stealth.

That means we can't wait until they show up to do an evacuation. We should consider sending more ships to look for stuff through the Anomaly.

Stuff we should consider doing before we leave Ithaka:

1) Relocate Gesters away from potential fallout zones.

2) Build some statues or pictograms of Gesters making 'Run away!' signs around the colonies prior to nuking them.

3) Collect genetic samples of local wildlife.

4) Collect genetic samples of more Gesters so the population we bring with us can remain viable without having to do artificial mutations to increase diversity. Nothing messy. Maybe a blood sample in conjunction with 1).

5) Have an insane person write crazy things and translate them into Breaker. Leave in sealed lead container to confuse our pursuers.

>>/quest/136637
>Is it posible to research a way to enhance the BRIC armour with the same materials that make up the MBT's armour?
MBT armor is just thicker. They're bigger and have a superior scheme, by nature.

Picture a rectangular object, like a book or a pack of cigarettes. If it's 'standing up,' the 'front' is much larger, meaning more area that must be armored against line of sight weapons, meaning less protection value for a given weight in armor. If it's lying flat, with its smallest side facing the enemy, the armor can be much thicker, because there's less area to protect. Combine this with the fact that walkers have more surface area overall, with their arms and legs and joints and stuff. Combine this with the fact that MBTs are larger and heavier.

When we reverse engineer Breaker cannons, armor, and shields, the first thing we should do is make better tanks.

>>/quest/137204
>we got breaker gun tech to research, its the only thing we know it would work
Researching their smallarms isn't going to give us big guns soon enough. Moreover, they're probably going to send overwhelming force. We should still tech up as fast as we can, of course, but that isn't very fast, at the moment.

>from here to the anomaly is 2 months, the message also takes 2 months to travel to here?
It's 4 months travel.

>can we pretty please make some sort of orbital factory in a freighter?
Fitting a shipyard large enough to build a freighter inside of a freighter seems very difficult.

>>320856
We can probably not fit a shipyard into a freighter but maybe we can make fit in a small factory. That way we should atleast be able to make some small scale stuff needed for repairs and other things. It should also make it alot easier to get started at a new planet if we find one.

>>320856
>the first thing we should do is make better tanks
i disagree. with large space battles we can use BRICs to fight inside ships. we could even try some macross scheme later on.

>Researching their smallarms isn't going to give us big guns soon enough
i wish we could confirm that.

>build a freighter inside of a freighter
we could work with a scaffold system. problem is we would need some sort of civilian BRIC. a terran SCV?

>we should not go to UD. we are leaving this sweet-ass planet with bare minimum atmosphere bearing the equivalent of 5 out of 6 numbers in space lotto because we need to hide, not to find a planet like it.
We are leaving with everyone. No one will be left behind, barring disaster.

>UA will asplode soon or has already asploded, so no.
...Why?
>UC is viable. we arent staying long, we just need ore + fuel and we are out of there
>UD is a obvious choice. asides the anomaly thing (wich may indicate another gate thus another choice there) i dont see why we should go.
I have no idea what you're saying. It's the obvious choice, therefore we shouldn't go there? Whaaa?

>No one will be left behind
the planet will. the gesters you spoke so much of will. the buildings will too. the fact that we will never find a nice site or even a use-able ecosystem is also quite abysmal, and we are not even thinking in keeping it.

also, why are we still building stuff if we will nuke it? we could leave some stuff half made to make it more beliveable too.

also also, im seriously hoping something doesnt hit the fan hard now. i wanted breaker weaponry researched ASAP, but right now id be happy if the nuke we will use wont set the atmosphere on fire or something.

>It's the obvious choice, therefore we shouldn't go there?
belive it or not, you got it right.

remember that the breaker also has more experience with the anomalies. we have to make due with >>318658 that we found in the anomaly, but they already know everywhere. chances are we can defend against their scout squads soon enought but their main armada will have to go to the other anomaly and split up to look for us in the other places. thus, we cant really hope for a obvious choice to work, if the breaker have basic strategy they would look there first.

UA is a ginger dorf. if i remember, it expanded and ate everything. thus, no other planets there. it could, however, still be expanding, so it could prove a interesting battleground/trap.

UC is a white dorf. it will one day go red, until then, we have planets to mine. of course we cant even consider making colonies in any planet. wich are likely to have huge temperatures and no atmosphere. the good part, if this is true, only heavy metals didnt boiled.

>Nuking the Portal seems very regrettable, if perhaps necessary
its unnukable. by the description of it, it can most likely resist it either because its some sort of deuteronium alloy or because whatever is thetering it can also sulk the damage. also, by what the scout squad has described, destroying the anomaly here will only make them take a longer time to return, as they would need to either wait for someone to open up the gate they camed from or acess another anomaly.

scientifcally speaking, we should check its inertia "modificator". if it is too big, it may turn the force of the nuke into a very small bomb.

> UD is emitting signals similar to the portal machine
theres a anomaly there. it would be nice to scout it, but frankly, i think its guarded by even weirder things. if you want the diplomatic route, after we finish TA we could try probes everywhere.

problem is: our anomaly only glowed when a ship was nearby. there is a fleet there, of unknown number/mass.

Dwarf stars don't work the way you think they do.

>scientifcally speaking, we should check its inertia "modificator". if it is too big, it may turn the force of the nuke into a very small bomb.
That doesn't make any sense. It may be too durable, but we don't know. All we have to do is damage it enough to not work.

Also, okay, so you don't want to go to UA, UB, UC, or UD. So where should we go?

what, i said i wanna go to UC.

lots of ore, inhospitable enviroment, sun ready to explode, whats not to like?

>>320975
a nuke is a humongous amount of radiation and force in a very small area. giving this force to a object affects it in certain ways: radiation causes heat and fission, force shatters and propels, and so on.

a deuteronium alloy would be scratched by the radiation. it however weights already over 1000x more that whatever dense uranium we could use on it, the tension between molecules is humongouns (because you dont need to break electron tension to cause a reaction but to cause fission between atoms) due to this, heat and force would cause nearly nothing on deuteronium. radiation could peform cracks, but even a 1 mm thick deuteronium protection would be more that enought to protect against a atomic bomb. if it is some sort of puzzle-built it may shatter, if it was made "economically" with holes on it we could have different results depending on hole size.

it may crack, it will surely scratch.

a inertia modifier is what we have more at hand. it is either a superdense (somehow)material or in any other way a physics breaking device that simply modifies inertia by absorving the force used to move it and using it against the force that is trying to move it. radiation would toast the superdense alloy (most likely creating new types of materials, some radioactive, then new forms of radiation, and new sub-explosions) but it would go trhu the warp field thus nuking it, force would feed the warp (with possibility to overfeed) and should shatter the superdense alloy, heat would also feed the warp but the superdense alloy could eventually reach fission before melting point (seriously).

>>/questarch/108052
>The installation could easily be destroyed with a nuclear weapon, though the popular consensus is that such extreme measures should not be taken until either we have taken full advantage of the Anomaly or its destruction is vital to the continued survival of humanity.

>>321018
if this turns out to be a mistake from the scientists i will have my fill with it.

>>/quest/139943
>Good idea, but I think we should add more research instead of training for now.
Well, right now we have 2/3 of ALL our Professionals doing research, giving us 12 RP per month.

Something we could do, would be to halt all five Colleges and use the 125 Pros to open up another Medium Lab. That'd give us 15 RP a month, but means that we're training zero dudes instead of training 3,000 dudes.

Test Pattern 2010/03/01(Mon)17:27 No. 11791 ID: cfad4e
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>sci-fi sergaltruppen
I was gonna draw this, but then I remembered I didn't have to.

>>321591
Draw it anyways.

>>321591
Draw it bursting out through someones chest and then eating their face.

we need to build a MOTHERSHIP like from homeworld.
or at least a space-borne research center. also a few tanker ships would be good. just a huge fuel tank with an engine on one side and a cockpit on the other.

>>321613
We built some ships that hold cargo, have a science lab in them, and do nothing else. How's that?

...I'll get back to you on the mothership.

>>321607
But I have a lot of lazy to do. :(

i'm willing to bet that only humanity(fuck yeah) is batshit insane enough to ever build something so massively over-engineered like a mothership.

Unfortunately, I'm (currently) the only guy doing build orders. If a mothership is not worthwhile (IE: batshit insane) then it probably isn't getting built.

Building sergals is probably batshit insane, too, but can happen on a budget.

best bet would be to build it CIVILISATION style by making components planet-side and putting it together in orbit. should also look into asteroid mining. perhaps just add a fold-out shipyard to the carrier. space habitation would help for long term if we have to keep running until we can make a stand. we may also not need to destroy the anomaly, what if we can turn it on and then take the control device through with us. we could come back through at a later date but they couldn't follow.

also the breakers may destroy the gesters because na-ni helped us so getting some and a bunch of DNA samples may be prudent.

oh damn, also thought of something. what if it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. billions will die in the wake of humnaity.

because the breakers kill everything we talk to.

>>321627
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I pointed that out a long time ago in my arguments as to why we should not talk to aliens, atleast not that close to earth. But nobody seemed inclined to listen.

okay, now we should have a ship with an INSTANT COMMUNICATIONS module as well has warp engines to follow the path the breaker ship went. make sure you inform them that anyone who goes on this mission may not make it back. but their engines are faster and sensors more sensitive so they may be able to escape if detected. send a message back every day once they get a certain distance away. if the message stops then from extrapolating speed by the days out they are we can figure out how far the breakers are

>>321618
a mothership is actualy pretty bad least we start super capital fights. we have to stay mobile, so if we have to split we cant really take a half mothership elsewhere.

id go with a scaffold system that we can join in and disassemble as needed.
> sergals
yes, we need TH. anything is fine at this point, but we should aim more specifically for a human that can interface with equiepment better in order to count as 2~5 humans.

looking like a nightmarish creature that will do anything to eat our enemies alive is only a big bonus.

>breakers may destroy the gesters because na-ni helped us
i can bet my namefaggotry on this. seriously i saw it coming a mile away, altho i think the breaker will try to eliminate our "germs" so they will nuke planets left and right.

>>321704
this is a EXXXELENT idea but first can we please make a stealth ship? id like to peek at them without wondering if they have fed us misinformation.

Reposting anti breaker plan here with some extras.

We could probably damage the breakers alot without a very high amount of manpower, and the method would allow us to gain manpower while it was working.

If we get the coordinates for the breaker home system and what planet they're living on we should be able to calculate where said planet will be at a given time. Then we send a couple of factory ships to the area around Ithaka, find a nice moon and set up shop there. What we're going to do then is construct a shitload of solar arrays on the moons surface and make sure that some of them are always facing the star. Then we build some motherfucking huge railgun batteries, fire away say fivehundred 50 ton breaker alloy bars at say 60+% light speed against their home planet and then we wait around until they hit. Which should be a couple of decades or a century down the road. Giving us ample amounts of time to get our population going and our industry going.

A month or so after the breakers planet has been hit we send in a fleet for a mop up operation and take down any off world installations or fleets they have in the system.

That was the original plan. Now I have done some rough number crunching. From Ithaka back to Earth it should be roughly 200ish light years. Distance to Breaker space, and more importantly their capitol planet, is unknown.

Wheter they have more than one planet in their empire is also unknown. We know their empire consists of four species, but we don't know if they were created that way on one planet or if they have several planets. Their taboo against colonisation indicates that their empire isn't growing and possibly hasn't been growing for quite some time.

But any empire has a capitol. If we hit it then it won't win the war but we will create chaos and disrupt the breakers day to day buisness. If our fleet were to arrive shortly afterwads we should be able to take them down.

The plan will of course take alot of time. I would guess around 300-500 years depending on distance and speed of our projectiles. In that timeframe we should be able to get a couple of 100 million humans and a good industrial base built up along with a big tech advantage over the breakers.

Dogmeat 2010/03/04(Thu)11:34 No. 11941 ID: 4144db
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>sergals
>anti-breaker disease

different planets. they dont mention sharing spaces, there are hints of long travels between them in prologue.

>Their taboo against colonisation indicates that their empire isn't growing and possibly hasn't been growing for quite some time.
we, less that 100k, them, more that 1b.

>I would guess around 300-500 years
thats a good estimative. we however already have some interesting things:
-we fly faster that they do
-we have attack drones
-we have repair and research hability

if we get our hands in a stealth craft, we make our own in about 3 months, load with nukes and we have your plan done under 3 years.

mental note: research nuke made with superconductors.
>>321741
onshi-

If we send some colonists to some airless moon, they'll probably have a hard enough time surviving and growing, much less building cee-fractional railgun batteries. Plus, you're suggesting we do this in Ithaka's system, which means the Breakers will find it immediately.

We don't have the technology for Real Time Strategy construction. Frankly, it's pretty cinematic that we have as much productivity as we do. I mean, can you imagine if we were ten thousand IRL refugees? We definitely wouldn't be building factories and starships...

Then again, Genetic Engineering I and II was rediscovering lost technology. Maybe earth's population was genofixed to be more productive.

I digress. What's important is that we need to focus on things we can actually achieve within a few years. After our population gets bigger and our technology more advanced, THEN we can start talking megaprojects.

On the other hand, if you guys have weird ideas that are actually achievable within a reasonable time frame, you should totally suggest them.

With that in mind... should we try setting up a colony before the main body of colonists arrive? Or avoid splitting up the fleet?

Also, we have time for maybe one more wave of new ship construction. Should we have more freighters, so we can carry more resources, or build some Frigates?

>>321747
The plan involves a bit more than a few colonists and it's not immediatly feasible. I didn't really mean Ithaka system specifically. There are a couple of other systems around there with suns.

But as you said it's not something of immediate use. It was more about me brainstorming and using a concept I had read about earlier. That and I love using motherfucking huge railguns to destroy planets.

I think we should build a couple of more freighters with one extra frigate, all of the new ships should have the instant communicator. Maybe one or two more with farming/hydrophonics. That should give us some room to grow even if we don't settle down somewhere anytime soon.

Which brings us to the next point. I think we should keep the fleet together, maybe send out a frigate or two for scouting. I'm against settling on planets with natives so neither UD or UB are good for colonisation in my opinion. UA doesn't have any planets and UC is extremly unlikely to have life bearing planets. So I think we should stay on the ships either until we find a better planet, kind of unlikely but we seem to run into them anyway, or it becomes clear that we're not going to find one anytime soonish in which case I think we should take a planet in UC system.

I was leaning towards making 4x frigates and 0x freighters, or maybe 3x frigates and 1x more freighters. We miiiight have time to build two more waves of ships, but that's really pushing it.

For the record, we have already built 9x freighters. All told, we can currently carry 23,500 people and 21,000 units of cargo.

...but we don't have the ability to stay spaceborne forever. We can't put a farming dome in a freighter, to my knowledge. We also can't run industry without a steady supply of raw materials.

On the bright side, we've got four years of food. (Though that'll half of our storage space)

I think we need to pick a system. What's wrong with trying to coexist with the medieval natives? The Gesters never gave us any trouble. If it doesn't work, we can leave.

>>321750
Natives bring problems down the line. More advanced natives brings even more problems. For now we're low number and wouldn't need alot of space. That would change with time, and if we come into close contact with the natives they're likely to start developing faster. Meaning that any friction down the line has a potential to be very nasty.

And we can get bogged down in planetary politics. A medival planet is not likely to have a central government controlling the entire planet. We would be faced with lots of small kingdoms all trying to figure out how to best take advantage of our arrival.

And we wouldn't really be in a great position of power. Either we would have to resort to military violence or respect the local rulers wishes.

For UB all of those problems are magnified. The people there are likely to be even more advanced and interactions with them could cause some real troubles. I'm not against us contacting aliens down the line. But I think we should have a safe home planet with only humans on it before we do that. That or we stay in space and only send in small contact teams.

But all those problems you described aren't as bad as trying to keep the Splinter permanently mobile. That'll basically ruin R&D, industry, morale, the works...

Plus, maybe we can trade with them. Sell them manufactured goods in exchange for food and morale items. Possibly even get a fourth species into the Splinter. (Or fifth, if we really are engineering supersoldiers)

>>321752
I didn't say keep it permanently mobile. I just think we should stay out of natives affairs until we're not dependent on their good will. Right now we're basically refugees and all our interactions with the natives would have to depend on their good will, we would have to accept their terms and their prices because we would not be in a good bargaining position. And offering them a place among the Splinter isn't really an attractive position right now. I mean how does "Hey do you want to join up with our scrappy ragtag band of refugees that are fleeing a genocidal foe that curbstomped our entire species?". I guess we could wipe them out, but unprovoked genocide sets a bad precedent. Once we can bargain from a position of power we should contact any natives we run into.

If we can't find anything better soon enough I think we should set up a base at one of the planets around UC. It would be more dificult and costly than setting up a base on a habitable planet but we could do it and I think it would be better than a habitable planet with natives on it. When the base is set up we can send out frigates and corvettes to scout out other systems as well as build some observatoriums to check out nearby stars.

Got an idea for a new tech to research.

Research Prediction
This allows you to see further down the tech tree. There are a few ways to do this.

*Give a more detailed description of what a given tech will provide upon being researched.
*Give information on what additional research will be unlocked by a given tech.
Note: there may be others I haven't thought of.

This has potential to be game-breaking if taken too far. Care needs to be taken. This also has potential to be another interesting angle on the whole research mechanic.

I highly recommend giving this a try.

>>321750
>3x frigates and 1x more freighters
this, one frig with turrents, another with fixed gun. remember to get breaker metals oe its all useless.

also we are going to pass on the nebula. we need fuel for 4 years, cant ignore that.

>...but we don't have the ability to stay spaceborne forever. We can't put a farming dome in a freighter, to my knowledge. We also can't run industry without a steady supply of raw materials
so lets research the poop out of that. spacefaring civilization here we go!

mental note, add space resistance when reengineering mankind.

>What's wrong with trying to coexist with the medieval natives?
more tech = more boldness. they may try to trade us, to steal from us, to kidnap us. we will need walls in the least, at utmost, we accidentaly gunpowder to them and suddenly its WWI with railguns.

>aren't as bad as trying to keep the Splinter permanently mobile
its SAFER. no matter how you look into it, the breaker WILL come again. we cant rebuild everything every 3 years or so, we need to stay macross on this one.

>engineering supersoldiers
yusples. at this point we either need super implants or a GE able to give a equivalent. we dont need to make uselves like sergals or only one species, we dont even need to engineer a soldier that is stronger, faster and smarter, we just need to make one "hyooman" count for more that one when we need to crew anything.

being bulletproof, insiring fear and hability to breathe vacuum is just a big bonus.

>"Hey do you want to join up with our scrappy ragtag band of refugees that are fleeing a genocidal foe that curbstomped our entire species?"
I KEEP SAYING THAT. join us and you have a bullzeye in your forehead. we cant really have contact with others.

right now both UC and UD are fairly even choices, but if we go to UD we should be ready for battle. UD can sustain our building queue for a bit longer.

> UD can sustain our building queue for a bit longer
hurrr notepad fails me.
UC can sustain our building a bit longer, UD can take us further away from the breaker, but we are bent to find other species. we kinda need to make a stand or some sort of diplomatic reasoning.

I am opposed to genocide even against Breakers unless we are put in a very, very tight spot. Ignoring moral concerns, it seems like, if it doesn't work that well, it'll make the Breakers even more devoted to annihilating us. If it does work, it'll get the attention of Totus.

>>"Hey do you want to join up with our scrappy ragtag band of refugees that are fleeing a genocidal foe that curbstomped our entire species?"
Twenty eight Gesters joined us. More would have if we landed in a place with more population density. And moreover, what do we lose by asking?

Besides. Even if we have to surround our colony in machine guns as the entire planet constantly attacks us with medieval armies, that's not necessarily more trouble than building colonies on airless rocks.

>we just need to make one "hyooman" count for more that one when we need to crew anything.
I was thinking growing shock troopers in tanks. That should be easier than improving the whole population. They could even be made to take more advantage of strength implants than humans could.

>>/quest/142235
>make some reaver as well. the city must attract them before asploding completely.
The current plan is to nuke the colonies while the ships are still in orbit, to make sure they're good and destroyed, and possibly drop another nuke if needed. Admittedly, this means no breakers die, but hiding our tracks is important.

>altho it could be a nice idea to trap one of the cities to capture the 100 breaker needed for the breaker virus tech...
......Like how?

>>321759
thats more that 28% of them, but consider what they are: tribal vegetarians that consider our weat a good spice. we still need to train them.
>what do we lose by asking
we gain SPIES. not all of them are non afiliated to the breaker.
>that's not necessarily more trouble than building colonies on airless rocks
we arent building colonies. sure we can defend uselves against militarized armies of medieval thingies, but the breaker can still rain fire on the planet.

also consider this: it could be the magic based race in the prelude.

>That should be easier than improving the whole population
we also need to improve production. id be much happier with a techpriest that a space marine.

we should also consider the implications of cloning. one soldier clone would receive memory injects, its implants and equiepment, then what? when we gain the war what is there left for him and his thousand brothers?

for land battles we can use drones. we got a puny pistol type, give some more research and we can do like star wars. the best of this is if we do it right we can adapt a reaver to "understand" a superBRIC and that should literally be the end of this. they will just need a human commander, about 1 for every 20 "soldiers".

for space we need transhumanism. i wont lie on this part, we need to do like eve, where a cruiser didnt needed dozens to be manned, just one dude in a inertia-resistant pod stacked with implants. in homeworld sjet had the implants but didnt needed the inertia-resistant pod.

also, dome ships for farming and leisure. i still want to use the old dropships as a form of bus system to ease stress on the population.

if we want to stay permanently mobile we WILL need something like a homeworld mothership. maybe two. one would have nothing but civilian things, the other pure military. most of the time they are side by side with a ton of transport tubes connecting them, half coming from each ship. with un-maned drones harvesting from any nearby planets. the side of the military ship facing away from the civilian ship will have an enormous shipyard, able to build battleships and carriers. and an array of small yards around it for other ships.

>when we gain the war what is there left for him and his thousand brothers?
Maybe they can take over for the 2,000 human soldiers we currently have mobilized, and have had mobilized since the game started.

>but the breaker can still rain fire on the planet.
So you think that the guys on this jungle planet have ways to contact the Breakers?

>i still want to use the old dropships as a form of bus system to ease stress on the population.
I don't think that works while the ships are going FTL. And it seems pointless at other times. Dropships are expensive!

>>321761
>hiding our tracks is important
thats good and all but we still need to verify the eficacy of the nukes. wiping our cities with nukes is also a uncredible waste of energy, except i doubt the breaker know of radiation so the LULZ from it seems huge.

>......Like how?
on the top of my head: a city would still have some building simulating functionality. when the breaker get in, we count the warm bodies inside the building.

if there is a enought number, the trap is sprung and the building was a frigate all along wolol we get our subjects and the nuke on the city asplodes. if it is disabled the nuke goes off anyway, if it is disasembled or followed the nke explodes, the frig goes to a rendezvour point that should be quite safe for us (assuming the frig is really chase-able, we are already 2x faster that them) then we clear the area of likely chasers and pick our test subjects.

now we are cooking with the swine flu!

5Copper 2010/03/04(Thu)20:15 No. 11966 ID: 04d52c
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>So you think that the guys on this jungle planet have ways to contact the Breakers?
frankly i didnt knew it was a jungle planet. i call shenanigans and they are faggy elves that can use magic my paranoia tells me that its not that safe there.

>I don't think that works while the ships are going FTL. And it seems pointless at other times. Dropships are expensive!
aws =c spoilsport

>>321763
and lead singers trained in diplomacy with interceptors that can change shape to a BRIC, wih the main civilian mothership possesing a huge dome and the military MS also changing shame to a huge BRIC. pic related.

Typo !TEEDashxDA 2010/03/04(Thu)20:18 No. 11967 ID: 3b6c92
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>sergal supersoldiers

we can't macross the breakers, they actually have a culture.

Needs more BOLO

YES! BOLOs everywhere! how long would it take to get to the more useful versions though? like the MK33.

>>321768
We can use the OTHER thing Macross is known for.
MISSILES MISSILES AND MORE MISSILES

oh, and anti-matter. in space it's rather stable because regular matter isn't up there. just launch a glob of that shit at them and watch as their hull is converted into energy.

>>/quest/142389
>Mph, I guess we won't finish warp 3 under Test's build :|
Do you guys all want that? If we focus, we'll just barely have enough time to build that and maybe implement it before we have to abandon the planet.

I was thinking Warp II was good enough for now, though. Especially since we're planning on leaving six to eight months before the Breakers arrive. 75 RP is kind of a lot.

>>321800
I think warp II will be just fine. It gives us a speed advantage and we will still be leaving months before they get there. By the time they're there they shouldn't find anything but a few craters and maybe a big fuck you sign.

Even if they still have stealthed ships observing us those ships won't be able to keep up with out fleet. We should see how long the anomaly stays open though if we remove the activator part on our end. And if we can open it from the other end without that activator part plugged in on the other end.

>>321800

The problem is we don't really know the breaker info is accurate, they could arrive pretty soon.

I suppose it's not vital but it feels a lot safer.

>>321802
as far as we know we are already faster that them. the biggest problem we may face are scout units that where made to catch up with us, if we cant fight them they will eventually track us.

>>/quest/142442
the long way for them may be six months. we are just exploring, they problaby have star charts that are millions of years old and dead accurate. we should not simply travel to the other side and blow it up, we need to cover a lot of ground, leave false clues, find a NICE spot to build on, IF we really choose to not stay mobile.

fuck, we can find a asteroid belt and make a planet out of it.

if they already have a perfect map then no amount of hiding will work.
this is our best bet, and we hope we get like, planetary shields up and running so they can't glass us again.

>>321807
we arent hiding, we are stalling. we need to find a nice spot to research some more science, build transhumanism (or go borg and do all (we are the space sergals, resistance is amusing but futile) to then face them in a unfair battle with bioweapons, nukes and better researched tech.

you don't need transhumanism or borg. we are already getting ahead of them, we just need shields or armor able to stop their weapons.

So shouldn't we be able to use computer systems to reduce the crew compliment of stuff a bit? I mean, Tanks take 5 crew (which is pretty huge considering modern ones only take 4, I guess the extra 2 guys are running the electronics) seems like we could maybe improve that with automation.

yes. one guy in the cockpit with pedals that control the treads and a handle thing that controls the turret.

Modern tanks with an autoloader have 3 guys. (Commander, Driver, Gunner)

Tanking is pretty complicated. Less crew means fewer eyes and stuff. An advanced electronics/communications/sensor suite could maybe let you roll the Commander's job in with either the Gunner or Driver. Bringing the crew down to one basically means you have a Commander and then AI doing most of the gunning and driving.

>one guy in the cockpit with pedals that control the treads and a handle thing that controls the turret.
You really want something or somebody watching where the thing is going.

pretty sure commander with AI driving is what BOLOs were for a while.

Current plan is to, around Turn 27, send out an expedition consisting of the Destroyer, two Corvettes, and seven Freighters. Load these with 5,000 metal, 800 Ceramics, 100 SC, 100 Uranium, 500 or so workers, a ton of infantry, and however much food and fuel it can carry. Have these guys land at UD and build a pretty extensive base. Then when the main fleet arrives three months later, there's already residences and labs and stuff.

I know there's some resistance to going to UD, but I am really not down with the idea of just cruising around at random in search of better planets. We can look for better ones later. There's nothing stopping us from cruising from planet to planet, stopping for several years at a time to get more ships, technology, people, and resources.

idea on how to spread construction of the mothership so it can move while still being built.
we first build the engines. get a couple online at the first planet then drive the entire engine block to the next and finish up there. i would say a good end size for the block would be it's big enough that the carrier could fit inside if it was hollow. from there we just move the entire thing to each planet and build a section before we have to move again.

>>321816
I still don't think it's a good idea. But I don't think I'm going to convince anyone.

But can we please settle on the polar ice caps or some other insanely hard to reach place where there are virtually no inhabitants?

And I'm very much in support of finding another planet with no natives on it. So sending ships out to scout has 100% of my support.

Jesus Crhist shitting in a holy stick, what are we doing?

UD has a anomaly with a huge mass near to it and a medieval age civilization. its a freaking magical civilization, we will simply find a brand new enemy there.

we need to buy time to strike the breaker, not to make a colony LESS THAT 4 MONTHS AWAY from the one we are fleeing. we wont JUST populate a planet that already has a civilization able to make a anomaly shine, they at least have space faring vessels.

for bonk's sake, lets go to UC, make some dropship-traps and leave them in our smaller city. we can double bait them, getting our 100 breaker for the bionuke and whatever scout ship is able to follow the dropships.

it may be 4 months away but that's becase we have a giant space-hole as a short-cut. if we disable it hopefully the breakers would have to take the long way of at least 50 years.

>we will simply find a brand new enemy there.
Just like how the Gesters became our bitter foes and caused us huge amounts of trouble?
>we need to buy time to strike the breaker, not to make a colony LESS THAT 4 MONTHS AWAY
It's only 4 months away via the Anomaly. Space isn't even black where we are. We don't even know if it's in the same UNIVERSE.
>for bonk's sake, lets go to UC, make some dropship-traps and leave them in our smaller city. we can double bait them, getting our 100 breaker for the bionuke and whatever scout ship is able to follow the dropships.
Okay, let me see if I've got this straight.

So your plan is to flee for four and a half months to a star system, spend two months setting up an industrial base, build up for several more months making your mousetraps, fly them back to Ithaka for four and a half more months, and disguise them as buildings. Then, when the breakers show up (assuming they didn't get there first, seeing how this will take over a year) with a gigantic fleet of battleships, they will send 100 helpless, unarmed, unescorted investigators into these traps, which will then seal closed (in ways the Breakers cannot escape from in spite of their advanced technology) and blast off into outer space, flying past the giant fleet, which will of course not fire at it or send boarders, who will definitely not inspect the computer and find out where we are. Then they will choose not to follow it as it flies through the Anomaly and back to us. Then we develop a Breaker Plague, which, at the rate our spaceborne labs research, will be ready in ten years and five months. Then we deploy it to a star system we don't know the location of.

Is this correct?

oh snap. test pattern must be made of lava cause 5copper just got burned!

>>321821
it was to build the trap here, then we use UC as a drop point for the dropships. in UC we can also mine if needed be, mainly we can verify from there if the fleet following it was too much for the nuke to handle. if it is too much for us to fight we can simply finish with more nuking or forego it completely, since the dropships wouldnt go further from UC, a dead end anyway.

from UC we may be not be able to find another anomaly, but mainly we should be able to play dead better. from there, we either re-arm to attack or we manage to make a biobomb to end the breaker. we can mine but we shoulnt make colonies; everything there is temporary, simply to support some industry before we are mobile again.

>100 helpless, unarmed
>(in ways the Breakers cannot escape from in spite of their advanced technology)
i am now considering a breaker soldier trying to read english to hack the computer. but my original thought was more amusing: they would fire against the door, killing themselves when the dropship trap reached space. they simply would need to wait for rescue against a speeding dropship already twice faster that what we know their ships are or they shoot and die.

asides, i belive our interrogation has already estabilished one thing: they only have soldier and commanders, pehaps literally. a intel breaker would be so rare that it would not be taken to the battlefield; he would stay in production and research forever.

>Then we deploy it to a star system we don't know the location of.
with 100 breakers trapped waiting about some years to die off in horrible ways, we can surely get that info from them, maybe even from the light scouts that would chase us trhu the anomaly to UC.

if you dont like UC, then how about we consider fleeing beyond UD?

-we get the trap on the small city, some dropships fly up with a few being intercepted or shot at
-when they all pass the first anomaly we nuke our old anomaly, at UD we can pick whatever breaker scout ship managed to sneak before the anomaly was nuked
-on UD we scout again. we spent 4 months to get there, we have about 3 years and 8 months to travel, this is not a big problem.
-after we decide on a destination from UD we nuke the UD anomaly after moving on, now no longer nuking anything untill we have the breaker bio bomb. by then we should fend off enought scouts to get shields or maybe stealth tech.

we can stay spaceborn for 4 years, we should really consider at least a 2 year flight plan. i dont even think we can pass trhu UD anomaly, but if you want to try diplomacy with the faggy elves that also serve the breaker's master, be my guest.

Now all the crazy is keeping us from automating tanks :(

i like the plan of 'everyone go to the other side of the anomaly, turn it off and then just build our forces while they take the long way' you really like to assume the breakers know where we are going and will have a death squad waiting for us on every planet.

>mainly we can verify from there if the fleet following it was too much for the nuke to handle
They proved immune to all human weapons.
>if you want to try diplomacy with the faggy elves that also serve the breaker's master, be my guest.
Let's agree to disagree.

>>321824
but that crazy will lead us to automated starships!

>>321825
problem is they may already know every planet in a really huge radius from their homeworld. if they know we are following preferences (like planets similar to earth) they can narrow down their search to a few planets instead of 4 systems.

thats why i think we should go further or to a inhospitable zone, if we travel at least 2 years we should get enought distance between us to become a menance when they finaly find us.

>>321826
so my idea of going to a place beyond UD is also rejected?