Ed Pastry 2009/12/21(Mon)11:05 No. 95894 ID: 35cea2
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Somewhere, many light years away from a cold, dead Earth...

Ed Pastry 2009/12/21(Mon)11:05 No. 95895 ID: 35cea2
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A mortal holds in his hands the power to shape the fate of the many universes.

Ed Pastry 2009/12/21(Mon)11:07 No. 95896 ID: 35cea2
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Five years ago, Admiral Argus Ductor fled Earth with his battle squadron and as many civilians and supplies his dropships could bring. This ragtag group of survivors have called themselves The Splinter, and are now speeding away from Earth in hope that Humanity may survive, and that one day Earth and the lives of countless billions of their fellow humans will be avenged.

Now their food supply is slowly running out, and a very strange blip has appeared in their scanners.



This screen is the general report of The Splinter. Most of the items here are irrelevant at the moment, but feel free to inquire about anything that interests you. What is important now is where the fleet will be headed.

The fleet is represented by the green dot in the map in the bottom right hand corner of the screen. It can traverse space at a rate of one parsec a month.

Scans report the following information:
Salamis A has marginal planets with basic lifeforms and a few useful materials.

Scans report Cadmus A is contains a planet with nearly earthlike conditions and many useful materials, but also seems to contain tribal-level sentients.

Cadmus B is desolate of life-bearing planets but surely contains quantities of extremely valuable superconductors.

The Anomaly is invisible to most visual scanners, but gravity scans reveal that a several mile-large disc-shaped object lies in that vicinity.

>>95896
Cadmus A, is my vote.

...Is this all that's left? Anyone else? Mining outposts? Explorers?

>>95896

Only a quarter of our forces are military trained. Whilst we might possess the technology to easily fight tribesmen a prolonged battle would likely cripple us as we do not have enough soldiers to guard our citizens.

So for that reason, I'm out.

>>95896

What can the super conductors on Cadmus B offer to us?

Ultimately, i'd suggest Salamis A for a planet-fall.

>>95896
Head for Salamis A.

Oh, is there anything interesting about the nebula?

>>95896

Head for the Anomaly.

Do we have the ability of orbital bombardment?
If we do, I vote Cadmus A.
"Tribesmen? Bombard 'em from orbit! It's the only way to be sure."

What are Nautil?

Ed Pastry 2009/12/21(Mon)12:46 No. 95915 ID: 35cea2
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>>95901
Nebula have two major uses to The Splinter fleet: They can conceal the fleet from most scanners and allow the fleet to refill its fuel reservoirs. The fleet has just finished refilling before the chapter has begun.

>>95904
The Nautil are the only sentient beings created by humanity. Dr. Carl Casus, a genetic engineer, wanted to prove to one of his colleagues his unmatched skill. He created a blueprint of a sentient creature using a nautilus and his own DNA. Due to a clerical error, his company used his experimental genetic blueprint instead of one that they were supposed to use that was for a more durable species of cod, and created over three thousand of these creatures. This folly was exposed to the media quickly, so the government was unable to silence the accident. After many long years of intense legal battles and discrimination, the Nautil have been recognized by the governments of the world as equals to humanity. Due to the fact that all Nautil contain some of Dr. Casus's DNA, they tend to be intelligent, optimistic, and slightly weird in the head.

>>95899
Superconductors are a vital part of Human technology. Virtually every advanced device contains superconductors. Power generators, advanced railgun weaponry, and nearly every military vehicle are prominent examples of the uses of superconducting metal.

>>95903
The Infractus can rotate its lower Railgun Lance Batteries to a planet and fire heavy tungsten rounds. This is a "clean" and effective method of destroying ground targets. Unfortunately, firing these rounds heavily drain the ship's power, and also wear out the superconducting rods in the massive railguns much faster than regular, anti-ship rounds.

Do we know anything about the tribal-level sentients?

If we can coexist with them, explain our plight and so on, it seems the best bet. Killing them isn't an option, though. If we kill them, we're no better than the guys who blew up Earth. Which is important, Admiral Notdama.

Cadmus B would be good if we had any ability to make self-sufficient habitats. But if we could do that, we wouldn't be running out of food and life support to begin with, so we have to go to a life-bearing planet.

At the risk of sounding all neocolonial, from here, the best bet seems to be to ally with the tribals of the planet, give them technology and fill their brains with anger at the idea of evil aliens cruising around blowing up worlds. Long as we can avoid being a dick about it.

>>95915
What are our production capabilities, if any?
I don't see any factory ships listed.
We should probably go to Cadmus A and try to start a planet bound base there.
The inhabitants can be slaves, allies or a food-source, depending on cuteness and evolutionary level.

I am completely opposed to extermination/enslavement. If aliens are told we're evil and then come find us coexisting with locals, it could work to our benefit.

To be on the safe side, if we do go to Cadmus A, finding some land mass with few or no natives on it would be best. Earth had lots of places with no humans back in the stone age. Just to start off, at least. With only around 8000 people, we won't be running out of space any time soon, sadly.

>>95927
Well extermination seems to be pointless, and we should probably wait and assess those creatures before we decide their fate.
But I doubt any of our actions could change the mind of those creatures who almost annihilated humanity.

>>95932
The Ghandi strategy isn't too solid, but it's not like fighting them's going to work within the next two or three hundred years, seeing how they went through all of Earth's defenses no problem.

What do we actually need? Are we looking for a planet to settle or just somewhere to mine or what?

The Anomaly could be an artifact of the invaders, so it might be better to leave it alone...

Boy, do I feel silly. Obviously we need to go to Cadmus A, the only place likely to have food.

>>95896
Put ships in orbit of Cadmus A. Possibly land, and talk to the natives. Take the largest and best armored ship to go look at the Anomaly. If we get blown up, at least the rest of humanity will be safe.

>>96132
i really don't think that we should investigate it.

If we're going to investigate, we should at least unload all of the ship's nonessential personnel first, meaning we need to make a colony first.

>>96156
We have six ships. We just need to transfer. I'm suggesting we talk kindly to the natives, just in case no one comes back - we don't have to settle here, but it might be advantageous to look into making friends.

I'm going to suggest actually taking one of the Corvettes with a good number of scientests onboard. Study is our primary consirn, not attacking blindly. I mean, for all we know it could be an empty ship that we can land on and use as a 'homebase'. Or a giant death-weapon we can use on the fuckers that did this.

Make friends with the tribals. Hopefully they'll worship you as sky gods.

>>96451
Holy fucking shit, Unreal 1 mind, i was going to post this as an after thought.

We don't have enough stuff to worry about conservation of forces right now, if we investigate we should investigate with everything.

It's not like any of our assets are expendable ATM.

Ed Pastry 2009/12/22(Tue)07:43 No. 96534 ID: 35cea2
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The path is clear to Admiral Ductor. He contacts his second-in-command, Rear Admiral Johnathan Dwight.

Dwight: Your command?
Ductor: We move the fleet, minus the Furor, to Cadmus A. We need to replenish our food stores.
Dwight: Understood. What do you want the Furor to do?
Ductor: Order it to dock with the Infractus. I want a science team on board to explore the anomaly that has appeared on a scans recently.
Dwight: I'll let the captain know. He'll select the scientists and supplies he'll need for the expedition. Do you want to move any of the military forces onto the Furor for security?

Ed Pastry 2009/12/22(Tue)07:46 No. 96535 ID: 35cea2
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Select how many soldiers and vehicles the scout team should take. All vehicles (with the exception of the LUV) require SPECIALIZED CREWMEN. LOGISTSICS personel and CREWMEN will be automatically assigned, there is no need to specify the amount of LOGISTICS personel or CREWMEN needed (unless you want some extras). Basic information are as follows:


LUV (Light Utility Vehicle) - Light transport vehicle. Fast; 1 driver and 4 passengers; very light armor; armed with a chaingun/grenade launcher
APC (Armored Personell Carrier) - Heavy transport vehicle. Fast, but not as fast as the LUV; 2 crewmen and 15 passengers; heavy armor; armed with an autocannon/light railgun/flamethrower (Only 3 railguns and 2 flamethrowers available)
MBT (Main Battle Tank) - Heavy combat vehicle. Medium-Slow; 5 crewmen; very heavy armor; armed with a chaingun/grenade launcher and a heavy cannon/railgun (Only 2 railguns availabe)
MLRS (Multiple Launch Rocket System) - Heavy Artillery. Slow; 3 crewmen; medium armor; armed with a 8 heavy missile launchers; Can carry and use 1 cruise missile
SPAAG (Self-Propelled Anti-Air Gun) - Anti-Air Platform. Slow, 3 crewmen; medium armor; armed with 4 flak cannons/AA railguns and one SAM launcher. (No AA railguns available)
BRIC (Bipedal Robotic Infantry Combatant) - All-Terrain vehicle/Superheavy Infantry. Medium Slow, but capable of crossing the most difficult terrain; 1 crewman; Light armor; 2 gun arms can either contain a missile launcher, a chaingun, an autocannon, a flamethrower or a light railgun. No BRICS available at the moment

INTERCEPTORS - Versatile Air/Space Fighter/Bomber. Fastest air vehicle; 1 crewman; light armor; armed with 6 short range AA missiles, 2 long range AA missiles, 2 aircraft railguns, and 2 anti-ground weapons (frag bombs, napalm canisters, Air-to-Ground Missiles)
HEAVY BOMBERS - Flying Artillery. Slightly slower than the INTERCEPTOR; 2 crewmen; medium armor; armed with 2 long range AA missiles, 1 aircraft railgun, and 20 anti-ground weapons (frag bombs, napalm canisters, Air-to-Ground missile) and a heavy air to ground weapon (Fuel air bomb bay, carpet bombing bay, nuclear payload bay, bunker-buster bay). No carpet bombs, nuclear bombs or bunker-busters available.
GUNSHIPS - Attack Helicopter and light transport. slower than HEAVY BOMBERS, faster than LUVs; 2 crewmen and 4 passengers; medium-light armor; armed with 2 anti ground missile pods, 1 nose mounted chaingun/grenade launcher
DROPSHIPS - Heavy Ground/Space Transport. Same speed as GUNSHIPS; 5 crewmen; 4 cargo bays (1 cargo bay = 25 passengers, 25 tons cargo, 1 LUV/BRIC or .5 MBT/MLRS/APC/SPAAG); very heavy armor; armed with 2 twin-linked chainguns/grenade launchers and 2 twin-linked aicraft railgun turret
LIGHT INFANTRY - Versatile footsoldiers. Light armor; wide range of weapons (assault rifles, missile launchers, shotguns etc.)
POWER INFANTRY - Heavily armored, but less mobile footsoldiers. Power armor enables increased strength, POWER INFANTRY can pick up and move up to a 1.5 tons; armed with chaingun/grenade launcher/missile launcher
COMMANDO INFANTRY - Elite infantry. Extremely stealthy, very fast, fairly well armored and highly skilled in all forms of combat; can carry more advanced versions of LIGHT INFANTRY weapons

Send a company (150) of Light Infantry, 10 Power Infantry, a team of 4 Commandos, 5 LUVs, 2 APCs, 2 Interceptors, and a Dropship along with Furor.

>>96542

That sounds good, if a corvette can carry all that.

Do we really need vehicles though? Those will be in short supply on the planet. Maybe we should just send infantry.

I figure not sending the dropship means the ship has to dock or land at whatever's there, increasing the danger to itself. Dropship means the ship itself can stay further off. And then, bringing vehicles means they can drop the team off further from the location, if it's something you can drive to, reducing the danger to the dropship.

...of course, there's always the danger that giant automated defenses will blow up the ship from quite a long ways away, but them's the breaks. On that note, make sure to send the Interceptors in first to scout the area.

>>96534
we shouldn't send too many scientists. If this anomaly is dangerous we lose our only scientists.

What kind of communications do we have? Can some of the scientists work by remote?

Ed Pastry 2009/12/22(Tue)22:57 No. 96900 ID: 35cea2
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Ductor: Send a company of light infantry, 10 power troopers, 4 commandos, 5 'Nails', 2 'Chisels', a pair of 'Waltzes' and one 'Opera'.
Dwight: Okay, I'll notify the troops immediately. The Furor should be docking in a few minutes to pick up its crew and cargo.
Ductor: Excellent. Gens Humana Eduro
Dwight: Gens Humana Eduro.

The travel to Cadmus A is uneventful. 3 months pass, and the Fleet arrives in orbit around Cadmus AII, the planet they seek to establish a base on, whether temporary or permanent.

Ed Pastry 2009/12/22(Tue)23:02 No. 96904 ID: 35cea2
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The planet has been scanned thoroughly and much more data has been collected.

The scans reveal that the atmosphere is fairly low in oxygen content. A human can breathe it normally for several minutes, but will rapidly grow short of breath. Most of the terrain is open grassland, punctuated only by small thickets of trees. Most of the wildlife is completely harmless to humans. The size of the planet is small, so gravity is weaker. Either expensive artificial-gravity floors must be created or more exercise will be required to reduce muscle and bone atrophy.

The natives are land based octopus-like creatures, currently in the Stone Age. These beings communicate entirely through gestures, as they cannot vocalize any sounds. They seem to become fiercely competitive and violent when it comes to contesting other tribes for feeding grounds. This species is more or less scattered throughout the whole planet, making contact inevitable, but major population centers exist and have been marked on the map.

All important minerals are present on this world, though not in the most convenient of locations and in feasible amounts. Ceramics can be fabricated from any source of earth, metals are present in and around major mountain ranges, superconductors can be found in small traces in some coastal areas and traces of uranium can be found in some of the open grasslands.

Select an area (or areas) where the dropships should land and the preliminary base(s) should be established. You can also name the land formations and the species which we have discovered.

Settle on the largest uranium deposit there is. We need to get nuclear reactors and weapons ready. If Star Control 2 taught me anything, it's that space-capable nuclear missiles can fuck the shit of even the toughest opponents and you don't even have to worry about the fallout.

Furthermore, nuclear energy is one of the most efficient, powerful, and clean energy sources there is. It only gets a bad rap because humanity never shot the waste into space like we can now and Chernobyl was built out of cardboard and chewing gum.

Test Pattern 2009/12/23(Wed)01:17 No. 96935 ID: 51d0f5
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I vote we make our main landing at Site 1, marked here, with a secondary fuel mine at Site 2.

It's hard to tell without zooming in, but Site 1 is actually LOADED with metal deposits, in addition to nearby superconductors, while Site 2 is, eh... about as good as it gets with uranium around here. They're also islands, so we don't have to worry about armies of spear-throwers showing up, or news of our arrival spreading to sites of worship that are secretly alien spy machines or whatever...

I vote we name the first settlement MONUMENT, on the isle of VINLAND. The landmass with the uranium can be called GIBRALTAR, while the mine itself will be named SLATER.

The aliens can be SCRAMBLERS, for a serious sci-fi reference, or SQUIDDLES for a non-serious reference. Or go with mythology and call them SCYLLA. My suggestion would be GESTERS, for their gesturing.

I don't have any good ideas for a planet name. Anything but New Terra. I suggest ITHAKA if no one has anything better.

>>96935
I pretty much agree with all of this. Gesters sounds kinda cool for the alien race. I vote to name the planet Sagan. Perhaps we can start some offshore oil rigs as well.

>>96935

Sounds good. We need to think about diplomacy with the natives somewhen. Do they have an inter-tribal diplomatic tradition of any sort?

...may not be Ted 2009/12/23(Wed)04:44 No. 96980 ID: 119b5c
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>>96935
To expand on this and capitalize on the newfound species, make a small, heavily guarded mining operation in or near these mountains. Staff it with observers, as the gestures might be something worth learning about. This way, these creatures can come to us, on their own terms, rather then us go to them and potentially throw them into a frenzy.

>>96980
If the main purpose of that site is to observe, maybe we shouldn't have it double as a mining post. (Unless we start running out of good mining sites)

I'd prefer to set that one up after a few "turns" on planet, myself.

Let's avoid contact with the natives as much as we can until we're sure we haven't made an anthropological error of any kind with them.

>anthropological error
What'cha mean? Like, they could have magic?

Easy to forget there's magic in this game. Gotta watch out for that.

>>96987

(do we even know magic exists?) That was what I was thinking off though, that or they're actually worshiping alien spy devices or anything along those lines.

>(do we even know magic exists?)
I guess we don't.

Still, good sense not to get all up in their face until we know a little more. Just to be on the safe side.

>>96990

The ideal is that they're just as primitive as they appear, at which point we need to start recruiting them

Ed Pastry 2009/12/23(Wed)17:21 No. 97202 ID: 35cea2
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The islands have been named Vinland and Gibraltar, and the main settlements dubbed Monument and Slater.

The species have been given the nickname "Gesters".

The Admiral orders the dropships to begin construction of the bases.

Ed Pastry 2009/12/23(Wed)17:22 No. 97203 ID: 35cea2
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The moment the dropship doors open, the survivors burst out of the holds and run around like children.

The atmosphere is thin, but the survivors savor every breath.

The land is nothing but bare grass, but the survivors are astonished by its beauty.

These humans have been forced to watch their homeworld and billions of their comrades burn. They have been lost in the depths of space, trapped in the cold metal halls of a ragtag cluster of starships, watching and waiting with fear as their meager supplies dwindled as a genocidal alien fleet searched the galaxy for them.

The planet is not much more than a ball of dirt with grass on it, but it is something that the humans of The Splinter have not seen in over five years. Hope.

Ed Pastry 2009/12/23(Wed)17:25 No. 97204 ID: 35cea2
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It has been a week since the dropships first have touched down. A makeshift command center marks the heart of each settlement, consisting of a pair of grounded dropships and a small metal building. At the moment, only small versions of the buildings are recommended for construction, due to the small population size and lack of resources. Suggest which buildings should be constructed in each base (You can also suggest buildings not listed on the screen, should you think one up).

All buildings take two months to build, with the exception of the temporary housing and the landing strip, which only take one week. WORKERS and PROFESSIONALS who staff buildings planetside require residences to be built for them.

TEMPORARY HOUSING - A cluster of tents that can house 250 people
APARTMENTS - Permanent housing that than hold 500 people
MILITARY OUTPOST - Trains soldiers, can house 250 soldiers. Reinforced walls and small windows allow this building to double as a bunker.
SCHOOLHOUSE - Trains NONWORKERS into WORKERS and WORKERS into PROFESSIONALS. Requires 10 PROFESSIONALS to operate
FARMING DOME - Creates 1000 tons of food a year (Roughly enough to support 4000 people). Requires 30 WORKERS top operate
SMALL FACTORY - Enables construction of lighter vehicles, weapons and various civilian commodities. Requires 50 WORKERS to operate
SMALL LABORATORY - Enables the research tree. Allows new vehicles, weapons and equipment to be designed. Requires 50 PROFESSIONALS to operate
LAND/COASTAL DERRICK - Extracts resources at a rate of 50 Metal/10 Uranium/3 Superconductor per month. Requires 30 WORKERS to operate
SMALL SMELTER - Can process the resource yield of 2 DERRICKS. Requires 30 WORKERS to operate
MEDICAL OUTPOST - Reduces death rate and increases birth rate, as well as tending to combat injuries. Requires 10 PROFESSIONALS to operate
SMALL WAREHOUSE - Allows 3000 units of resources/vehicles/other goods to be stored safely.
LANDING STRIPS - Enables INTERCEPTORS AND HEAVY BOMBERS to land on the planet and refuel.
SMALL GENERATOR - Generates 10 Power. Uses either 2 ship's FUEL (Fusion power) or 2 Uranium (Nuclear power) per month.
SMALL CERAMIST - Generates 10 Ceramics a month. Requires 30 WORKERS to operate

Okay, before I let everyone else pick buildings and shit, I think we need to address the life support issue. Since our ships only have a limited amount of oxygen, and this planet has a slightly less-than-livable atmosphere, we are still using our limited life support while on this planet.

Therefore, I suggest that as soon as we have free resources, we should begin a mass oxygen compression project to siphon oxygen from the air and isolate it, restoring our ships' and complex's oxygen reserves, perhaps expanding the capacity of the former.

Let me also point out: all of our buildings need to be fitted with an oxygen siphon-compression unit that will take the oxygen our settlers breathe while inside from the atmosphere AND NOT FROM OUR RESERVES.

We should set down here for a bit, refill our supplies, while sending some corvettes to scout out the other planets. Once the fleets stocks are replenished, and a better world found, we should relocate there; it may not be wise to make a permanent settlement on the first barely livable planet you come to.

Suggestion 2009/12/24(Thu)00:21 No. 97325 ID: 2dd482
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>>97322
to facilitate this:

Construct the following at Monument:
1 Farming Dome
1 Smelter
1 Land Derrik
1 Medical Outpost

Construct the following at Slater:
1 land Derrik

Total Resource Cost: 425 Metal, 3 Super Conductors, 7.5 Power, 50 Ceramics

Total Population Cost: 120 Workers, 10 Professionals

>>97322
This is better than the other planet available.

Other than every building needing a compressor and workers needing rebreathers, I'm not seeing what's that bad about this place. Hunting for a new one means more time and more fuel.

I vote we go balls-out with construction. If space aliens show up and attack us within the first few years, we're completely screwed no matter what. So we'd might as well commit.

MONUMENT:
2x Temp Housing (10 metal)
2x Farm Domes (150 metal / 1 superconductor / 2 power)
6x Apartments (300 metal)
1x Coastal Derrick (200 metal / 3 superconductor / 3 power)
1x Land Derrick (100 Metal / 1 Superconductor / 2 power)
1x Small Smelter (100 Metal / 50 Ceramics / 2 power)
1x Military Outpost (50 metal / 20 ceramics / .5 power)
1x Medical Outpost (50 metal / .5 super / .5 power)
1x Landing Strip (20 metal)

SLATER:
2x Temp Housing (10 metal)
2x Apartments (100 metal)
2x Farm Domes (150 metal / 1 superconductor / 2 power)
1x Military Outpost (50 metal / 20 ceramics / .5 power)
1x Medical Outpost (50 metal / .5 super / .5 power)
1x Landing Strip (20 metal)

>>97326

At this point, if the people who find earth find us, we're dead anyway, so we might as well set things up and do what we can here.

So I agree with Test Pattern, let's go full out for colonization.

1. Build nuclear reactors
2. Use electrolysis to split seawater into oxygen for breathing and hydrogen for fuel
3. ???
4. profit!

Unless there's a problem I'm not seeing with this plan.

Do we want to build a laboratory? We might need one to research the natives if we're going to contact them and so on.

Ed Pastry 2009/12/24(Thu)09:16 No. 97608 ID: 35cea2
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2 months later, and all the buildings have been finished. Monument now has no spare power, and due to the fact that a SMALL SMELTER can only service two mines, the URANIUM DERRICK remains unserviced (Or you can assign another DERRICK to be unserviced instead). With no uranium, the plants will now use the ships FUEL stores instead. Due to the completion of the MILITARY OUTPOST, you can train up to 100 WORKERS at a time to become LIGHT INFANTRY, LOGISTICS or CREWMEN.
100 LOGISTICS takes 3 months
100 CREWMEN takes 6 months
100 LIGHT INFANTRY takes 6 months, 5 CERAMICS and 10 METAL.

Also, there are some things that I feel like I should clarify here:

FUEL and URANIUM are two different things. FUEL is hydrogen used for fusion energy, and can only be obtained from nebulae or specialized mines around gas giants.

Due to specialized suits, the nautil can accomplish the same tasks as any human, including staffing buildings and driving vehicles. Due to their physiology they're poor infantry, but their small size allow for interesting applications as commando units.

At any time, you switch the point of view between governing The Splinter or guiding any of the main characters we 'unlock'.

It is unknown whether other fragments of humanity still exist. There are no communications broadcasts, though this is likely because any other survivors likely do not wish to alert the Breaker Fleet of their presence. (Direct communication between two sources are safe and instantaneous however)

Approximately 1/4 of the total WORKERS are needed in base maintenance and construction work, so the workers needed listed in the building browser are not the full story.

Ed Pastry 2009/12/24(Thu)09:18 No. 97610 ID: 35cea2
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In the meanwhile, the Furor has arrived in at the Anomaly.

Added a new 'main character'.

Current 'main characters':
Admiral Argus Ductor - Leader of The Splinter, located at Monument
Dr. Gregory Huntington - Leader of the research team dispatched to the Anomaly, located on board the Furor.

>>97608
Well, next job is to build a second smelter and sufficient power to get it up and running, plus a factory...

>>97610

Stand off it with the Furor, and send the interceptors to do a cautious scan, put recon pods on them in place of their anti-ship ordinance if possible.

Wait, we need Ceramics more, so we should build several Ceramists first, then a Smelter, we've got plenty of fuel for now

I concur. Send in the Interceptors to scout it out while keeping the ship at a more safe distance. After a few of those, if nothing's shot at you, send in the dropship with the APCs to scoot around on the artifact's surface and scout it out. Use the light infantry if they're space-capable, and the commando team.

On the planet, ooh, I hadn't realized what a bottleneck Ceramics are going to be. One sea derrick can make enough Superconductors for more than a building per month, and most buildings are 1-2 months worth at a metal derrick, but a Ceramist needs five months to make enough for a building that needs them

We already have a mess of infantry. (Relatively) More infantry than we know what to do with. Are we tight on logistics personnel or crew?

My fault for not suggesting a Ceramist right away. Okay, let's see...

This month: Build nothing
In 1 month: Build a Ceramist at Slater
In 2 months: Build nothing
In 3 months: Build a Ceramist at Slater (1st Ceramist completes)
In 4 months: BUild nothing (Ceramics: 15)
In 5 months: Build a Ceramist at Slater (2nd Ceramist completes) (Ceramics: 25)
In 6 months: Build A Warehouse at Monument (Ceramics: 45)
In 7 months: Build a Small Generator at Monument (3rd Ceramist completes)

At this point, we'll be making 30 Ceramics, 3 Supers, and 50 Metal a month. In another two months, we'll have the spare power to make schools and factories and things.

3 ceramists might be more than we need, but not more than can be made useful.

>>97677
the first thing to do after getting the 2nd power generator up is build a school and a lab to get researching. Hopefully we can increase the yield of our resource buildings.

If we can cannibalize the Uranium Derrick to get the three Ceramists built faster, we should do so. At present consumption, we have 24 years of fuel. (We do need a warehouse in case the fleet needs to leave, though)

If we're not building nukes, then actually, we can just send the fleet back to the nebular if we run out of hydrogen. It's only a 3 month trip and we can fuel up to around 2 years of fuel there.

On second thought, each Dropship can hold 100 tons of cargo, and we're not going to have more than a few hundred tons laying around for many months.

Replace the Warehouse purchase here >>97679
, the one at six months from now, with a second Metal Derrick. Unless I miscounted, we should have the metal for it.

When it finishes, 8 months from now, turn off the Superconductor mine to run both Metal mines instead.

>>97608
>> FUEL is hydrogen used for fusion energy, and can only be obtained from nebulae or specialized mines around gas giants.

Could we use hydrogen obtained via electrolysis of water? Just asking.

Also, send down an Interceptor to each of the landing strips and have them start doing detailed air recon of the islands they're on. If we're sharing terrain with natives, I'd rather find them before they find us.

>>97867
Not if it's metallic or possibly we just need really large quantities.

>>97925
Ah, that does make sense. My mistake.

>>97907

We should send out some light infantry patrols too, not too far, but enough to push out our parameter.

While I think it's a pretty good idea to set up a decent base planetside I think we should focus more energy on getting a good off planet industry going in the solar system.

That way we have less interaction with the natives and we don't become too reliant on a planet that's not really suited to mankind without terraforming, something that would probably wipe out the natives.

Do we have the ability to actually make major space industry yet? Fuel is the one thing we're not short on, so lift from ground to orbit isn't a problem, so it might be best to have a base we can work on in shirt sleeves rather than trying for a space platform yet.

Also, rather than using interceptors, why not use gunships? They're atmosphere only and probably better at scouting and ground attack.

>Also, rather than using interceptors, why not use gunships?
Interceptors are faster, so they can cover more ground at lower level with FLIR pods or equivalent. Also to help justify building landing strips. (Though they also mean safe places to land if there's mechanical problems)

>>98026
Gunships are better suited to lower altitude and probably more persistent. Maybe rather than do one we should deploy both. We've got a lot of fuel.

Ed Pastry 2009/12/28(Mon)19:50 No. 100294 ID: 35cea2
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>>98019
Construction of interstellar-worthy vehicles can only be accomplished by SPACE STATIONS, as all current starships are incapable of entering a planet's atmosphere. A space industry will have to wait until many turns later (or a timeskip or two, if you so decide when the opportunity presents itself) as starships are very costly in resources, with ships costing anywhere from 1,000 to 150,000 units of metal.

>>97867
Current technology is far too inefficient to be feasible. More research is necessary.



Your suggestions for the Ithaka colonies are acknowledged, but the Anomaly Expedition must be completed first.

The Interceptors on board are outfitted with scanner pods and sent of to do cautious recon of the Anomaly. There is no movement from the Anomaly.

Close up images of the facility reveal it is mostly made of some unknown, non-reflective metal, with the OBELISK and SMALL BUILDING constructed of a darker metal and coursed with strange GLYPHS.

Scans report, however, there is radio wave static and a low intensity white light emanating from the small INDENTATION, and low intensity x-rays coming from the PYLONS surrounding the INNER PLATFORM.

Land the dropship with an away team close to the building and investigate it. Use the four commandos for now, to try and detect and bypass any security. Bring an APC along as well, with backup of some power suits.

>>100294

Bizarre. So it's either a communication device, a warning, or does something else. Or some combination thereof.

Send a robot in to poke the middle.

Or a person with slightly shielded suit.

Whichever is cheaper.

>>100640
Obviously we should send a cyborg to poke in the middle.

Joking aside, ask for volunteers if we have no exploratory robots, surely someone wants the glory of exploration.

Check out the building first I think, rearm the interceptors for ground strike in case we need them.

Ed Pastry 2009/12/29(Tue)18:54 No. 100929 ID: 35cea2
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Dr. Huntington decides the scans prove the Anomaly is safe enough and orders the dropship unload some commandos, an APC and the power troopers at the small building to see if security can be bypassed. Power trooper 1017 was sent to the inner platform to check if it is safe.

Commando 1: "C1 here, the small building is shut tight, but there are no signs of movement or any type of electromagnetic disturbance."
Power Trooper 1017: "Ten-seventeen here, my scans report that the pylons are still giving off low level x-rays, but everything else appears to be silent. Awaiting further orders."

Dr. Huntington and the rest of the researchers are deployed to the small building to investigate.

Dr. Huntington: "Hmm... this door doesn't look like it can be opened from here."
Commando 1: "Maybe we should try using a demo charge."
Random Researcher: "Or maybe the door is opened elsewhere."

Only use the demo charge as a last resort.

Investigate the Obelisk. If there's nothing promising there, caaaarefully investigate the pylons instead. Preferably with some kind of bomb disposal robot first, or equivalent. For all we know it's a disintegrator or teleporter or something.

Is their any kind of pattern in the glyphs? Do they point anywhere?

Ed Pastry 2010/01/04(Mon)06:34 No. 104870 ID: 35cea2
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Dr. Huntington: "We'll use a charge only as a last resort. For now, I think we should probably study the glyphs."
Random Researcher: "I really don't see a pattern in these glyphs though. They could be decorative or informative, but the way they're written there is no real way to be sure, and there certainly is no way we can translate them without some kind of reference."
Dr. Huntington: "Let's move to the obelisk then, maybe it's got some answers for us."

The team travels to the obelisk. Huntington orders the power trooper in the middle platform to withdraw to the main group and instead have a bomb disposal robot to get more close up visuals on the pylons. Commando 3 is guiding the robot.

When they arrive at the obelisk, a small glowing light appears at near the top.

Random Researcher: "You see that I wonder what it could mean."
Dr. Huntington: "I have no idea. Maybe if-"
Commando 3: "Sir, the robot in the middle is reading a slight spike spike in x-rays coming from the pylons. It started about the same time the as the light turned on."
Random Researcher: "Somehow, I think we managed to activate the Anomaly."

Ping the light with a laser

>>104874
Lets move to the maximum controlrange of the robot before we do that. If it leads to horrible death due to ancient alarm system or incredibly alien physiology it's better to be at a safe distance.

>>104878

the robot is well away from where we are... I think we should try to do this quickly in case the X-rays get stronger.

>>104888

We should also check the indentation. Can we send one team around to check it out while we ping the obelisk?

>>104888
I mean that we should get something like 1 AU away before we laser something up that could for all we know activate a doomsday device.

Do we have any FTL communications? Because otherwise this could still be a bit dangerous. And yes I'm paranoid and it's probably without a cause, but it's hard to reassemble yourself if you get vaporised.

>>104893

Well, I didn't mean a strong ping, just brush a laser pointer across it to see if it does anything...

If that doesn't work and the indentation yields nothing we'll probably need to breach the building.

Ed Pastry 2010/01/04(Mon)09:48 No. 104928 ID: 35cea2
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Dr. Huntington shines a laser pointer briefly over the obelisk's light. Nothing happens.

Ed Pastry 2010/01/04(Mon)09:49 No. 104929 ID: 35cea2
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Meanwhile, a small team is dispatched to the indentation. The indentation is a large depression in the ground a few inches deep. It made of a white metal. There are 9 smaller oval-shaped holes on the large indentation; 8 are on the sides and one is in the center, which is filled by a strange disc.

Is the central disk removable, does the white disk rotate?

>>104928
Is the light carrying any information or any kind of modulation? Like a laser communication beam?

Move away from the Obelisk. Does the light go out?

Be on the lookout for more small discs.

See if the center one can rotate or respond to touch. Or if the whole indentation rotates like a rotary telephone...

Say, are you guys using magnetic boots, or is there inexplicable gravity? Is there anything noteworthy on the underside of the Anomaly?

Ed Pastry 2010/01/05(Tue)19:33 No. 105900 ID: 35cea2
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The Anomaly appears to have similar artificial gravity that human vessels utilize. It is slightly stronger than Earth's gravity. The underside is blank.

The team moves away from the obelisk. The light remains shining. It emits nothing but a steady light, there is no signal being sent.

The indentation itself does not move, but a researcher manages to rotate the disc in the center. The obelisk begins to glow brighter and emit faint radio static. The pylons in the center have slightly increased their x-ray emission. Off in the distance a researcher can see the small building's door open.

>>105900
im assuming everyone is takin pictures. i so dont want to discover later on that it possesses a lot of warnings and the likes when it blows up

send a unmanned probe first. also monitore xray stuff, check against radiation poisoning.

im thinking its a beacon to another race. we should expect visitors/attackers soon.

>>105900
Go in the building!

Head into the building on the double.

Have the commandos sweep it all professional-like for automated defenses, but it's... probably not inherently dangerous, unlike a mysterious x-ray pad surrounded by claw-like pylons.

Calculate what the light is directed towards, if anything, and cautiously check out the newly-open doors of the building. Continue to monitor the obelisk and pylons, they seem to be getting more and more active, and we still have no idea what their purpose is.

...Randomly, what are the known abilities of X-rays in the current (Game-time) era?

Come on people, we have disposable robots for a reason. Training new commandos is alot harder than building a new robot. Send in the bomb disposal robot before humans.

Get to the building and have the troops sweep it before the scientists move in.

How much X-rays can power armour take?

>>106252
Come on people, the ROBOT! It can take X-rays until it melts and we don't lose any of the precious few humans we have left then. We have an attempted genocide to avenge and we can't afford to lose genetic material.

Ed Pastry 2010/01/06(Wed)13:12 No. 106268 ID: 35cea2
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Notes: FTL communications is possible. Messages can travel twice as fast as starships (messages travel 2 parsecs a month, the Ithaka colonies is approximately 2.7 parsecs way)
The only source of x-rays in this time period that isn't known in the present day is from starship FTL drives.



After a minute, the signals from the pylons and the obelisk stop increasing. The direction that the obelisk's light faces is noted down. It faces roughly toward the center of the galaxy, off by 11.5 degrees to the left and 6.0 degrees above.

The bomb robot is sent into the building. The camera shows that it appears to be mostly empty, so the research team soon follows behind.

There is an interesting pattern of glyphs on the back wall, and a disc similar to the one in the middle of the indentation lies on the ground lies on the ground.

>>106276

It seems like the indentation is what controls where you go... I'm guessing the next step is to put another disk in another hole... anyone have a clue as to which one?

...10 bcuks says this thing is a teleporter.

No, really. The central platform is the teleport pad, the pylons are the teleporters (X-rays come from FTL travel), the obelisk points towards the destination (I'm not sure about this part, though), and the small building is the control room.

Compare the pattern on the inside of the building to the glyphs on the rest of the platform. I think it might be a map. Factor in where the light of the obelisk is aiming, too.

I'd suggest not touching the disk in the small building yet. And before you -do- mess with it, make sure to send two messages (This is important, we don't want to send one and for it not to arrive) with all that you've found to your new home.

>>106283

Right, and you put the glyph in the hole to mark your destination. The one on the floor looks like the glyph on the right, about in the centre of the picture.

Pick it up and get a closer look to make sure.

>>106286
No, no, look but don't touch. We can poke it in a moment, I have the feeling that the results of whatever 'turning' the disk in the small building will do will be... Conspicuous. Even if the 'Teleporter' theory is wrong, I think the small building might activate the purpose of the anomaly, whatever it is.

>>106289
Is it actually attached to the floor? I figured it was just lying there

>>106268
That thing looks alot like a map of destinations. I'm also guessing on a teleporter. Let's try to not teleport any humans immediatly. The trusty old bomb robot can become guinea pig.

Ed Pastry 2010/01/06(Wed)14:13 No. 106315 ID: 35cea2
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Dr Huntington examines the disc more closely, without touching it. It appears to be simply lying on the floor, rather than built into it. The rest of the researchers are either examining the pattern of glyphs or writing notes.

Dr. Huntington: "I think this Anomaly is some kind of teleportation platform, considering the x-rays and that map-like pattern on the wall.
Random Researcher: "I concur. I'll prepare a report to send to the main fleet around Cadmus. If they've got a research facility running they probably can process the information we've gathered better than we can."

>>106298

Here's how I'm thinking it works. There's the same number of locations on the map as their are indentations on the depression. You need to put the right symbol disk in the right hole to make it activate.

we need to examine the symbol to check but I think I misID'd the symbol first time. It looks like the X|X symbol on the upper left.

That would mean that taking the symbol on the top as 1, it needs to go in 8 to activate the anomaly.

>>106316
Sounds like a good theory on the anomaly's operation.

...Anyway, at this point, I'm not sure there's much else to do. We can mess around more and try to activate the anomaly, but I'm not sure that's a great idea with 'Home base' uninformed of what's over here. I suggest we send a message to HQ. Include data on our findings, a report on our speculation as to its possible purpose as a teleporter, and a request for instructions, and possibly reinforcements.

...Oh, also, randomly, how much x-ray radiation are the pylons giving off compared to current FTL drives? Might be important.

Yeah, the one on the floor looks like the upper left glyph on the wall. The one already in the center of the white circle looks like the central glyph. So that's 'home,' and the one on the floor is... some destination. Putting the disc in the correct slot (or maybe any slot) will fire up the teleporter.

Do we have a probe that can transmit FTL? We can't remote control the robot if it's a hundred trillion miles away.

Man, this could be dangerous. We don't want to accidentally alert aliens that we've survived and are here. I'm tempted to fire this bitch up anyway, because we could potentially get a tech boost, but what do you guys think?

>>106327
First things first: Let's get HQ informed of what's going on. For now just send over what we have for them to look at, then sit tight and wait for further orders. I doubt they'd look kindly upon us screwing with something this big without telling them first. ...Heck, they might even consider this find important enough to throw over more people and gear.

>>106327

Well, if not now, then when? I mean, our situation won't change militarily for at least a a year (we need to get a space station up and so on)

We could simply delay until we've militarily built up, it's definitely the safe option... OTOH, it's also the boring one.

>>106334
Remember that it's a 4 months transmission lag for us to send them a message then receive a reply.

Though that would let us do some science on this thing before we activate it.

Ed Pastry 2010/01/06(Wed)16:00 No. 106429 ID: 35cea2
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The expedition has enough food remaining for 8 months and the trip back will take about 2.7 months. This means the home base (if they start building as soon as the mines extract sufficient resources, which will be next month) will have about 1 month to actually work on the reports they will receive from the expedition.

(1 month to gather resources, 2 months to build lab, .3 months to research, ~1.3 months to send transmission, 2.7 months to act and return home)

The team can do their own research for several months, but it wont be as thorough than if they had a dedicated laboratory.

>>106429

Ok, it sounds like we should do research here until home base has a lab established, then head home and resupply, finish research on this thing there, then come back.

Can we leave an FTL probe or something here to alert us if anything comes through?

Again, first things first, let's send a transmission to HQ and get their take on this before we do anything, guys.

>>106497
It takes 4 months for transmission to reach them and then them to respond though

we must report case we get wiped. at least they would know we got pwnd.

id say to send a report every 10 days. if it takes that long, they would get 3 monthhs delayed warning that the shit has hit the fan, leaving them with about 1.9~3.8 months to worry with defenses.

lastly but not leastly, what material is this all made of? does it accumulate stardust? pinpoint the likely reception of the x-ray emission and send whatever data we have on it to the main base.

>>106563
haha i fail basic reading again.

1.6 months delay warning, 1.3~3.0 months to prepare for battle

Well, send a report on what you've found now.

I say don't fire up the artifact, even if it takes a year to get a lab. We've been fleeing for five years already, so not like another few months of delay are a big deal... right?

...Maybe we're gonna need a new build order.

Earliest a lab can be up and running without seriously slowing our industry timetable is, like, a year after planetfall.

But there should be some sort of research they can do on site. Trying to decipher the scribblings, or exploring the system with the artifact to see if they can get any pointers towards why it's there. Or just some long range scans of nearby systems to see if there's anything good in any of them.

>>107159

We should also rig a camera to a FTL communicator if we can, something to let us know if something comes through.

Do we have any idea how fast Breaker FTL is?

Research for a few months but then just plug the disc into the indentation

>>107712

But what if something comes through D:

>>107745
Well then we either meet a new non hostile alien life form or we die pathetically.

Does mankind have any information on who attacked them? Can the scientists see any signs of this teleporter being made by the same people?

Hang on. Is there anything preventing us from towing the whole damn thing into orbit around something near Cadmus A? The planet, perhaps. I am disinclined to put potentially dangerous things near our home, but it probably won't do anything if we don't fire it up, and we don't need to do that until after our scientists figure out what it is.

>>107749
We don't really know how it works and finds it's targets. It should compensate for galactic drift, but if we tow it with us then I don't think we're going to hit the receiver if we fire it up.

is as if noone saw the prelude.

we need the tecnology. our invaders arrived pratically from another dimension. if we cant take the war to their doors we lose by default, least some diplomatic dickery is made.

be on alert. we will get hostiles. we also need to understand everything on this device.

remember that it already warned something. its coming to investigate us in what i belive is 1.3 months, luckyly in 2.7 as they would have the same FTL that us. we need:

-defenses against scout squadrons
-safeguards to prevent them from picking our new earth
-a means to understand/capture/reverse engineer the device

>>107763
I saw it. That's why I asked about how much mankind knows about them. This could be something that was built by them or it could be something that someone else left behind a long time ago.

Ed Pastry 2010/01/08(Fri)20:43 No. 107938 ID: 35cea2
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The initial report was sent, and the researchers spend the next 5 months studying the facility (leaving them just enough food for the trip home)

Research concludes that the Anomaly is indeed a teleportation device, but its potential power levels are downright enormous. It could probably transport a fleet of starships pretty much anywhere it wanted to. The indentation looks like it has something to do with where the other end of the portal will open up.

The alloys the installation is made of are fairly tough, but not unbelievably so. The strangest things ares the discs, which seem to be able to act as controls for the installation's systems despite being made of a completely homogeneous material.

The glyphs are as cryptic as ever, though. With nothing to compare them to, translation is impossible.

>>107749

The Anomaly appears to be 'tethered' to this point in space.

>>107746

Information on the Breaker fleet is very limitied. What is known is that they have very advanced energy shielding abilities as their ships were able to shrug off the railgun slugs and missiles as if they were nothing, as well as powerful weaponry demonstrated by their ability to split Earth into pieces.

Still, the researchers find it highly unlikely that this Anomaly has any relation to the Breakers due to distance, differences in aesthetics and different level of demonstrated technology.

They have a short time left to spend on the Anomaly. Should they plug in the disc?

Ed Pastry 2010/01/08(Fri)20:49 No. 107943 ID: 35cea2
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Meanwhile, the base has been added to according to the plans of
>>97679

More resources are pouring in, there is a large surplus of food, there are workers to spare and morale is good.
Monument still lacks power and Slater has 2 power remaining.

Patrols of Interceptors, Gunships and Light Infantry are sent out. The landscape is pretty standard, and the only nearby signs of Gester settlement is a small village several miles away from Monument. The Gesters are baffled by the strange things that streak through the sky every now and again, but remain unobtrusive.

>>107938
>The Anomaly appears to be 'tethered' to this point in space.
...
Shame we didn't notice that earlier, it could be very useful for us if we figured out how it was done.
And if we figure out what it was tethered relative to, well, that could help us find a whole lot of stuff of a similar technological level.

>Should they plug in the disc?
Yes. But first, phone home.

>>107938
No, they should head home now, they don't have to food or life support for a major expedition. Let's head home, build a lab and do a bit more research then come back with full life support and so on.

>>107943
Let's stay on Plan Test Pattern till month 9 (12th month on planet) then build ourselves a lab first rather than a factory and research the artifact.

>>107938
Plugging the disk is something I think should be done when here is more support avalible. But this thing could be incredibly useful. Btw, would a nuke of say 50 megatons be enough to destroy the anomaly or would it need a higher yield?

Because if one of those destinations has a habitable planet for mankind it could be a very good idea to teleport the entire navy and population there and then destroy the anomaly teleporter. That way we could get far away from the Breakers and we make sure that they cannot follow us on the same path.

>>108017

Last resort I think, we've just built this colony.

Build smelter at Monument so that we don't have to waste Fuel.

Research expedition, change everything to how it was when you arrived, and return to Ithaka.

What special commando specialties can the Nautils have?
What do we need to train them in these specialties?
I'm thinking of sending squads of stealthy commando Nautils to steal a few Gesters' newborn children, so that we could educate them "from scratch", and have them give birth to a new race of civilized Gesters. Probably, exchange the stolen children with something valuable to the primitive Gesters, so that they would think their children were given an honor by the benevolent gods, not stolen by evil demons.

>>108026
Which happens to be on a planet that we reached with normal tech and is not really that hospitable to humans. If we can get there then the Breakers can get there and the planet will not be any more accomodating to humans unless we terraform it, something that would probably wipe out all indegenous species.

We really need to find a better planet and remember that our current colony is not supposed to be our permanent new home.

we do not plug the disc. we keep it. in the new colony, where they will need to find it instead of blowing it up if they intend to return home.

we can also salvage the device. strip it to its spare parts, take what we can to home, analyze it and make better weapons/armors from it.

for now the new colony should focus on food production and tech research. we need to literally dismantle the device and reverse engineer the technology.

with luck, the food will help the expedition to dismantle the device, the technology given will allow for immediate production/conversion of use-able units BEFORE they notice the device is missing.

if in 5 months they havent send a scout team, we can assume the device was actualy powering up to be used. this also means a LOG was sent to somewhere, most likely we will get some visitors soon. we need that tech.

inb4 cylons

Ok, guys? Here's the thing... I don't think anyone has been alerted to our presence here yet. Heck, activating the teleporter might not do anything either. -However-, I'm certain that -destroying- the teleporter -would- have somebody get alerted to that fact. I think we should should over the destroyer Occisor to the anomaly, whether or not we choose to activate it, to keep an eye on it.

Whatever our choice there, I propose we send the Vitium and Ira to Salamis A and Cadmus B respectively to scout the star-systems and planets.

As for the colonies, I propose we set up a research center as quickly as possible to start trying to discover new technologies, followed by getting uranium mining working.

Hay. Should we build a Small Lab instead of a third Ceramist to process the team's data ASAP, or wait until we've got more of a solid industrial base in several more months? (Making 20 ceramics per month instead of 30 will slow our production of a factory and more power plants)

Either way, it won't build fast enough to benefit the field team before they return. However, it will also let us get a head start on researching new buildings and vehicles and who knows what else. (Which may or may not be significant. We don't know if it'll take 2 months to research a new tech, or 20.)

Also, one more thing: How do we get more life support?

>>108028

Um... I don't think that we should initiate first contact with these guys by stealing their babies

>>108040

I say we build a third ceramist and then a lab. We can't afford to slow our economy down at this point, and we basically know what the thing is.

>>108040
the main probem here is we dont know if we will stil use ceramic. we should train personell, but for what is described, we only need weapons and vehicles enougth to fend off natives.

>>108038
mainly i agree. i was expecting something in about 1.3 months, since that didnt happened its safe to assume they wont check it. a teleporter however consume a lot of energy, so we shouldnt use it.

we need that tech. disabling the device may as well give us decades to prepare agaisnt a invasion because the nearest is about 10+ light years away.

>Build smelter at Monument so that we don't have to waste Fuel.
Man, we've got over a thousand and the colony's using only 4 per month. Let's worry about that later, when we're not in a bottleneck of power, ceramics, AND metal. Even if 90% of the Fuel gets used for ships, the colony won't run out for a year, even with more power plants.

I'll make a new build order after some word about whether to focus on faster industrial growth VS a research lab sooner than later. Or someone else can. It's all good. (Unless it sucks)

...and yeah, let's please not kidnap any babies. They probably don't even taste that good. Send out some stealth teams to gather field data on them so we can decrypt their language and talk to them via nautil interpretive dancers or something.

>Also, one more thing: How do we get more life support?
Food domes are making the number go up. We hypothetically have 2x as many domes as are needed to feed all humans, so our stockpiles should continue to go up to give us a buffer in case of disaster.

>We really need to find a better planet and remember that our current colony is not supposed to be our permanent new home.
This one seems to be pretty good. We can survive indefinitely here. You don't need a pressure suit or pressure dome or a foot of lead to keep the radiation out. That's quite good as far as outer space goes. If we find another planet that's better than this one, I'd support colonizing BOTH places in case one blows up.

>>108044
Yeah, you're right, stealing kids could send a bad message... I just think that our aliiance (currently, Humans+Nautils) would need a race that was native to this planet's climate - that would be very helpful in the long range future.

Maybe we should first appear as benevolent gods to the villagers, and bring rich gifts. Maybe help them do something, like hunt or fish or whatever these squids eat to impress them. Teach them some primitive technologies. We should probably construct suits that would look a bit like squids, so that we would not appear too alien for them (so, maybe Nautils would work better as our messengers). Also, do these Gesters know valuable metals, like gold or silver? We should probably use a lot of them in our suits, to impress them. And lots of shiny parts :D

The messengers would appear, bring gifts, teach low-level tech, and also ask to send some people to the Palace Of The Gods where life is beautiful, luxurious and full of wonders, where there is no illness or hunger, etc.

Over time, there would be less and less uncivilized Gesters, to the point that the remaining few will live in small reservations. Happy End :D

>the main probem here is we dont know if we will stil use ceramic.
We need it for power plants, factories, military outposts, and (most likely) vehicles. That makes it really important for industry and expansion.
>we should train personell, but for what is described, we only need weapons and vehicles enougth to fend off natives.
We've already got more troops than we know what to do with. If the natives attack, 1,500 troops and orbital support will stop them cold, unless they've got hidden weapons or powerful magic. If the Breakers attack, they'll just bomb the site from orbit and troops won't matter.

Ed Pastry 2010/01/09(Sat)09:57 No. 108052 ID: 35cea2
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The expeditionary force returns to Ithaka with the disc in their inventory. The Anomaly's x-ray, visible light, and radio emissions die down when they leave.

The base construction plan is stuck to until month 9 (4 months later, and 1.3 months after the expedition has returned to the planet). There is now 3 SMALL CERAMISTS, 1 SMALL WAREHOUSE and a SMALL POWER GENERATOR active. Monument has now 10 surplus power.


>>107964

Well, the definition of 'tethered' in this case is that the Anomaly has ridiculous inertia for its mass. While it looks about the size of a starship, in reality pulling it would be like trying to tug a planet.

>>108028

Commandos are elite special forces soldiers, suited for anything requiring great skill and subtlety. They excel at espionage, assasination, and stealth. They are not meant for open warfare however, as their armor and weapons are not much better than those of Light Infantrymen compared to their high cost.

Nautil Commandos emphasize the Commando's stealth aspect. Their small size enables them to hide much better than humans, but prevents them from using most weapons and equipment.

Right now we only have 2 Nautil in the military: Rear Admiral Dwight and Commando 17

Commandos cannot be trained at our current MILITARY OUTPOST, they require a larger more advanced facility (at least a FORTRESS, which is one size bigger than the outpost) to train. Less than 1 in 200 peopl have the potential necessary to be trained as a Commando, and training takes four years and leaves half the potential applicants dead.

>>108017

The installation could easily be destroyed with a nuclear weapon, though the popular consensus is that such extreme measures should not be taken until either we have taken full advantage of the Anomaly or its destruction is vital to the continued survival of humanity.

>>108052
It's good to know that we could blow it up if it proves necessary. My money would be on it being an artifact from a now dead or declined civilisation. Leaving a device capable of teleporting an entire fleet unsupervised strikes me as being incredibly moronic. It's like inviting a massive suprise invasion of your core systems.

Honestly my main reason for wanting to get off the planet is that I don't think it's safe. It's to close to earth and to close to our enemies for my comfort.

Also I would suggest extremly minimal contact with the natives. Stuff like posing as gods and uplifting them technologically will most likely turn out bad. They will sooner or later find out that we're not gods and they may have no real intrest in helping us.

If we're actually going to stay at Ithika I would suggest a complete genocide of them. If we're staying there we're eventually going to need the entire planet and then the natives will be in the way.

But my vote is still on finding a better planet and most of all on finding one that is alot further away from out enemies.

>>108054
Also, from a purely practical point of view, if we can cooperate with them, we need workers.

>>108050
then id like to sugggest the spare troop to train civilians. i am to assume we may get SPAHS, meaning almost everyone will require minimal knowledge of how to use guns to defend themselves.

id also like to place 1 or 2 science dudes to study the native life. i wanna make Off Wolrd Discovery Channel to improve morale and increase odds of survival in case of fan getting hitted with excrements.

>>108053
You really don't get it, do you? We're not going to find 'Earth 2' any time soon, mate, if we ever will. It took five years of nonstop travel just to find -this- planet. Perfection does not exist; we need to make do with what we have. And it's not like we have anywhere near enough life support for another long trip anyway.

And I do -not- agree with killing off an entire -race-, either. We are -better- than that, we are -better- than the Breakers, and we are -better- than killing off an entire species just because they 'will be in the way'. We can figure out an exact plan of action for how we will coexist with them later, for now, let's just try and get some more information on them.

Anyway, like I said before; send a corvette each to Salamis A and Cadmus B as scouts, get a research center up in Monument, get uranium mining running, and generally continue expanding. We have a lot of our population just sitting around twiddling their thumbs, let’s put them to use.

>>108053

No genocide on people we need as workers. Not to mention how evil that is.

>>108053
killing natives may just make us a lost cause. let us not give our enemy reasons to white knight themselves against us.

we will not exploit them. we wont turn them to slavery or appear as gods. thats just silly. you wont move to a forest and ask gorillas to mow the lawn.

>>108053
uncredibly moronic. ironically, you should see the prelude. its from the master race that ordered our demise.

id like to reinforce civilian basic trainning due to contact with natives. i entirely forgot that they may learn to prey on us, and 1500 soldiers is just Slaugther

>>108057
I know we won't find it soon. Had I been in overall command we would have keept going away from earth for another 40-100 years before settling down. This planet just feel to close to the enemy for comfort.

I don't really wish for a genocide either. That is why I wish that we move off the planet. That's the safest thing for both us and the natives. But I also think that being moraly superior to our enemies is something we can worry about when there are more than some 8000 humans alive in the entire fucking universe. We don't really have any margin for failure here. Things that you consider evil may have to be done in the name of survival. It doesn't make us the same as the breakers, they attacked completly unprovoked with the clear aim of the total eradication of humanity. If we instigate a genocide it will be to survive, not just to wipe out another sentient life form.

As for the idea of using them as a workforce. That would mean either that we need to steal them young and find a way to convey the necessary knowledge to make them useful as workers, or that we wait for 20 or so years that we need to teach them the concepts that they need to understand what they're working with and how it works. And then we don't really have any kind of assurances that they will not steal weapons from us and then start an uprising.

Here's my proposal for build order
Month 10: 1 Laboratory Monument

Month 11: 1 Small Smelter Monument

Month 12: Nothing

Month 13: 1 Land Derrick (Metal) Monument

Month 14: 1 Schoolhouse Monument

Month 15: Nothing

Month 16: 1 Small Factory Monument

>>108064

Or we could talk to them and teach their adults. If they're human intelligence then we should be able to teach them basic techniques, at least enough to push buttons in a factory.

>>108064
we need to respect their unity and culture. think in the prime directive, but if the federation was in a post apocaliptic world. if we simply force us upon them, we may as well brainwash their culture and never mention it again.

eventually we will have contact with them. by then im expecting some cultural differences and hopefully we will be able to offer them trainnings wich they will pay with services. kinda like a student loan.

about the uprising... we have 1500 soldiers in land. to compare, a city usually has less that 5% in cops to defend everything from inside. we may as well rise crude walls now.

>>108066
culturally this is incorrect. they need to learn their rights as a citizen, the value of work and how we can repay them, the differences between our cultures and how we can best interact wthout harming each other, but almost all of this list already involves imposing our cultures on them.

THEN we can add them to our society. to be trained, that is.

>>108066
Then we need to make sure that they can understand us as well as understand the concepts they're working with. It may just take the push of a button to prevent a meltdown in a nuclear plant but I still wouldn't leave an ape with the duty of pushing it.

Their level of intelligence isn't really the problem here, it's their level of cultural and technological development. Not to mention that I wouldn't trust mankind with a cheap uneducated workforce that has no real way to ensure their own intrests. I have read to much history to think of that as a good idea.

As for thinking prime directive. I always thought the Federation was a shitty institution that should have been destroyed by it's enemies a long time ago. If there is anything I would like to emulate it would either be mankind in the "Kzinti-mankind wars" universe or Palpatine Galactic empire.

lastly.

it is not our enviroment that dictates what we are. it is us that dictates what our enviroment shall become. to use the enviroment you are at as a excuse to your actions is to not be aware of yourself, and thus the enviroment shall dictate what you are.

in a post apocaliptic universe, those that care are heroes, even when they die. if we are to be martyrized for the breakers to perceive their futility, then so be it.

>gorillas
>workforce
>uprising

That's why I suggested that we first appear as gods. Not as "hey you gorilla I'm 100 times better than you kiss my feet" gods, but as "hey, little buddy, let me teach you how to fish" gods.

In any case, we need not see them as "gorillas" or "potential workforce". See them as Nautils - just uneducated Nautils. They are not "more primitive" than you or anything, they're equal - just uneducated. And yes, it's always best to educate people at a younger age. And yes, it's always best to teach someone when you're an authority figure - like a benevolent god.

Embrace their race, make them part of your people as equals. Study and conserve their culture, and let them all learn it, so that it won't be lost. Help them in their life, heal them, feed them, and teach them more and more difficult concepts.

Why would they need to rebel?..

>>108075
Just to add: all of the above is only IF they prove to have the same level of intelligence as Humans and Nautils, or higher.

If so, I repeat, never consider them "apes", or "gorillas", or "savages", or smth.
Integrate them into your society, possibly in several steps.
Help them, teach them, heal them, do your best to prepare them to become members of your people.

Do not treat them as different.

>>108072
palpatine make a lot of sense here. he favored diplomacy and dickery, something we lack entirely of. in hindsight, a president would never do what we did because he does not know of the prelude, nor has he had social contact with the breakers.

the prime directive makes more sense in a overcrowded galaxy, with new races discovering space travel and the federation pratically daily. id like to think we will need more help that only a handful of drones, and having a trade route would really be helpful for our diplomatic relationship.

speaking of drones, do we have any chances of developing some? not the remote controlled of course...

>>108076
i should just troll you and say that they would rebel to control the society. alpha male and all.

we cannot brainwash them, they may still discover the cold truth and uprise. we cannot go all elven on them also, that is dickish and would gain a lot of hatred and racism. to appear as a teaching race is nice, but also imposing of our culture. they must choose to help knowing what they will sign into.

a murderous alien race with technology far beyond our grasp want us dead just like this weird alliance with superior technology showed up and requested their help.

>>108065
Not bad, except we only have 105 metal (+50/mo) so we can't build a smelter next month if we build a lab this month.

Let's just build a lab and then take another turn in 2 months when it finishes so we can look at the Research menu.

At that point, my recommendation (subject to change once we see the Research menu) is to begin construction on a Metal Derrick. 2 months after that, begin construction of a Smelter, then, and I know this sounds crazy, turn off the Coastal Derrick for 2 months and run the new metal derrick instead, (since we need metal more than supers) until the smelter comes online. Then we can run all four mines.


PS: Let's take the appear-as-gods talk and other boneheaded plans into the discussion thread.

>>108078
>to appear as a teaching race is nice, but also imposing of our culture.
I suggested we preserve their culture, but impose our technology and society system.

>>108080
Okay, true, let's stop this discussion.

>>108082
assuming we can get their asses off the fact the breakers want our alliance gone, im all for this.

its like the ultimate rickroll: this is a video of how to cure cancNEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP, NEVE GONNA LET YOU DOWN

in a completely unrelated subject, i coulnt find the discussion thred .-.

Yo, guys, is it just me, or do we seem to be ignoring Slater a little bit? I mean, we set it up so we could get uranium, and we arn't even bothering to try and get the collection of it up and running.

inb4 the natives call themselves Na'Vi and live under a deposit of superconductor.

>>108084
afaik we dont need uranium least we make nukes. i dont even know if we have that tech.

nuclear reactors would heat the enviroment and most possibly alert of our presence along with the fact that power gens dont seem to use it.

>i coulnt find the discussion thred
We're using this one: http://www.tgchan.org/kusaba/questdis/res/374.html

>We set it up so we could get uranium, and we arn't even bothering to try and get the collection of it up and running.
We don't need any yet. The only thing we can use it for is fuel at the moment, and the ships can go and get that from the nebula by the bucketload.

>>108080
I can't find the discussion thread for this quest.

But I can sum up my stance quite easily. There is no action I would be unwilling to take to ensure mankinds survival and the extermination of our foes. If we have to scour the entire universe of all other lifeforms then I would be willing to do so.

>>108087
Fair point. I apologize, it just seems like Slater is becoming a 'backwater' of sorts, and I want to avoid wasting resources.

Before we start discussing what we want to do with the natives in detail why don't we try talking to some of them?

>>108096
I suggest we should first try to spy on them and let our scientists learn their level of intelligence.

>>108089

id like to do as i suggested in >>108056 but the trainning of civilians should now be done to protect them from future contacts with natives.

test pattern has the optimized build course, so everything is settled if noone has any weird requests.

Ed Pastry 2010/01/09(Sat)13:14 No. 108114 ID: 35cea2
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2 month have passed. The SMALL LABORATORY is finished and construction has just begun on a SMALL SMELTER. Monument has 6 power remaining. Two CORVETTES have been sent out to the other nearby systems, and pick up a little fuel along the way. The Contemno is going for Salamis A and will take about 14 months, and Ira is going for Cadmus B and will take about 13 months. Each has taken 50 FUEL and will return with about 190 FUEL.

The spare civilian population is being trained by off duty soldiers in the use of sidearms and other basic survival tactics, though manufacturing enough sidearms for the able-bodied populace will take at least SMALL FACTORY.

The first formal contact has been initiated with the closest Gester settlement. The contact teams have decided to try to present themselves as equals, offering small gifts and attempting communication to explain mankind's predicament. The Gesters are extremely cautious and generally keep their distance from the teams, though the few that are brave enough to get close to Splinter personnel prove that they are rather intelligent. Due to language and cultural barriers the Gesters cannot comprehend most of what the humans are trying to convey.

Ed Pastry 2010/01/09(Sat)13:18 No. 108117 ID: 35cea2
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Now that the first lab has been built, the research tree has opened. The number next to the research icon represents how many research points each technology requires. Fully staffed sMALL LABS create 1 research point a month. DISCOVRED TECHS are represented by squares with a gold outline (which is none of them so far). RESEARCHABLE TECHS are represented by squares with pictures, and POSSIBLE TEHCS are represented by empty squares (though they will only be shown if all prerequisite Possible Techs are known. If a tech requires, say, Computing Systems I and another unknown tech, the square will not be displayed)

IMPROVED CERAMIC FABRICATION: At the cost of 1 SUPERCONDUCTOR (one time cost), a SMALL CERAMIST can increase its output by 50%. Larger ceramists will have this tech already installed.
GENETIC ENGINEERING I: This tech is simply reconstructing information lost during Earth's destruction. Increases the effectiveness of MEDICAL OUTPOSTS to fight disease.
ENHANCED DERRICKS: At the cost of 1 SUPERCONDUCTOR (one time cost), SMALL DERRICKS will use 1 less POWER. Larger derricks will have this tech already installed.
COMPUTING SYSTEMS 1: This tech is simply reconstructing information lost during Earth's destruction. Enables construction of basic RECON DRONES at SMALL FACTORIES.
PLANETARY RESEARCH (ITHAKA): This compiles a comprehensive report on Ithaka's geology and ecology.
XENOCULTURE (GESTERS): Fully translates the Gester's language, and compiles a report on their culture and physiology.
SUPER BRICS: At the cost of .5 SUPERCONDUCTOR per BRIC, each one gets a pair of shoulder-mounted weapon systems, doubling its firepower. (The superconductor does not cover the cost of the weapons systems themselves)
POWER EFFICIENCY: At the cost of 1 SUPERCONDUCTOR (one time cost), a SMALL GENERATOR will generate 2 more POWER. Larger Generators will have this tech already installed. Allows construction of a ELECTROLYSIS PLANT, which generates FUEL from water.
THE ANOMALY: Attempts to unlock the secrets of the Anomaly and the strange disc.
RESTART ECONOMY: Creates a new currency and a basic economy. For simplicity's sake, money will not be a resource you will need to worry about. SMALL FACTORIES can produce LUXURY ITEMS and FARMING DOMES can produce QUALITY FOOD. Increases morale of all colonists.
DESIGN NEW VEHICLE/BUILDING: Describe a new type of vehicle or building that can be created with current technology. Cost, effectiveness and research time will be based on your design. This tech exists outside the research tree.

I think we should go for Xenoculture first. Looks pretty cheap, and that 'Possible tech' connected with researching the anomaly might be very useful. I dunno, what do you guys think?

I wonder if we build one or two more research centers, focus on getting new techs for a while. this is all seeming very useful.

>>108114
im assuming we will have a small firearm, a rebreather and a knife as a standard civilian equiepment.

as the tech tree open up, i cant stop thinking in dorf fort. leave economy after we get POWER EFICIENCY wich seems to be the only mandatory there.

computing system leaves us with the interesting option of developing unmanned mining expeditions. i am so for this.

forgot to ask, how much would it cost in metal and ceramics to make the standard equiepment for every citizen left?

Xenoculture (Gesters).
We need to find a common language to converse with our future compatriots.

also i just realized, we are still using temp settlements?

we should upgrade asap.

>>108117
I say we go for the anomaly. If we can figure out how it works we can use it for all sorts of highly useful stuff.

>>108132
we are still on build queue that test pattern made. so yeah.

>>108134

Are we? I thought we were on mine now. I'd suggest we research Xenoculture first, and then if we're gonna drop anything for metal we build more uranium.

We should build some more labs ASAP though and get research going.

>>108135
Yeah, didn't see that another smelter was already being build. Sorry.

In general terms I believe we should be seeking to advance our technology somewhat at the expense of our manufacturing. We have enough resources to live right now, so let's get a bunch of labs online and get researching.

>>108142
technically, we need fuel and food too. our infrastructure is poor in many ways, we still use temp housing and we are somewhat vulnerable to spyworks.

add to top of that, we also need to consider not only to match our technology with the breaker, we also need to have numbers to face them.

to make things worse... magic. yes, it does exist here.

we should research the anomaly. after, id like power efficiency and then drones.

>>108142
I concur. The only potential threat to our existence (within our ability to cope) is the local sentients, (which is why I advice the Xenology tech first). However, our current military power should be more than adequate to cope. This makes research our top priority, especially given that research increases our productivity in the long run, and quite frankly, I'm an absolute SUCKER for economy of resources.

looks like we are halway from both suggestions >>108080

we should make a lab. to half the research time should be the ideal, but i lost track ofthe numbers ._.

Research Gesters. It'll only take 3 months. The artifact will take a year.

Build a Metal Derrick ASAP. Then another one ASAP. (Shut the Uranium mine down again when we run out of smelter capacity) Metal's our industrial bottleneck right now. When we're pulling in 150 a month, then we can really get going.

>>108157
What do you think of queuing another 2 or so labs?

If im reading our production right, they should fit with our available power and significantly speed up the our production rate once we get the important efficiencies.

about small arms and a perimeter sensors, is it possible? i want to know if we get spies.

if we make perimetral sensors, id also like to make a few sniping towers.

>If im reading our production right, they should fit with our available power and significantly speed up the our production rate once we get the important efficiencies.
Well, yeah, that's true, but you know what would speed up our production even more? Tripling our metal production.

We need to crank up our metal to really get this colony in gear. THEN we can build cool shit like schools and labs and factories. (Three times as fast!)

Test Pattern 2010/01/09(Sat)16:10 No. 108167 ID: 51d0f5
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Hey, how much to research one of these bad boys?

>>108167
can you queue a shipyard in the nebula asap? after makin 2~3 labs, id like drones to mine unmanned.

>>108172
I doubt we have either the tech or the Resources to begin serious construction of space assets, to be frank. We can barely afford to maintain a barebones colony.

Apparently starships and starbases are crazy expensive and complex. (Who knew?)

We'll need to research a bunch of crap, then build up space infrastructure in orbit, then build some extreme range construction ships, then cargo ships to bring the resources, THEN start building a shipyard int he nebula. It'll need many thousands of units of metal.

So step one is to start making a shitton of metal to let us start making a larger shitton of metal. We'll all feel a lot happier when we have resources coming out our ears instead of puttering along on a single lousy mine.

>>108177
Bit of a hardon for the metals, huh?

do we have uranium for a nuclear reactor, case we do make a spaceship?

superconductor also comes slowly. im thinking we should buff up home, but not entirely like that. yes, we should begin space mining ops since that is where it seems to have more ore, but we shouldnot focus to get that metal on land.

something im also not entirely satisfied is that we are getting most of our fuel from the nebula. in a emergency we wont be able to make it here.

also can we peform LR scans? id like a estimative of how long it would take to have a enemy fleet on us case they need to come from another beacon.

>>106268
just realized this is a map. if this is true we are in a wide galaxy far from almost everything, with large chances the breakers are located in the bottleneck sector.

we are likely to have scouts and smugglers passing by the beacon. the problem is, im not sure if the core of the galaxy received the beacon's warning. how long would it take for a FTL transmission from the beacon to the core of the galaxy?

Current Month:
<Insufficient Metal>
Begin GESTER RESEARCH.

Next Month:
<Insufficient Metal>

2 Months From Now:
Begin a METAL DERRICK at MONUMENT.

3 Months from Now:
<Insufficient Metal>
GESTER RESEARCH Completes. Begin Research of BIGGA SMELTERS (unless that will take more than 5 months, in which case research POWER EFFICIENCY instead)

4 Months from Now:
Begin a METAL DERRICK at MONUMENT.
(Metal production is now +100/month)

5 Months from Now:
Begin a SMALL GENERATOR at MONUMENT.
Begin a SCHOOLHOUSE at MONUMENT.

6 Months from Now:
Turn off the URANIUM DERRICK to run the newly completed THIRD METAL DERRICK instead
(Metal production becomes +150/month)
Begin a SMELTER at MONUMENT.

7 Months from Now:
Begin a SMALL FACTORY at MONUMENT.
Begin a second SCHOOLHOUSE at MONUMENT.

8 Months from Now:
Turn URANIUM DERRICK back online YET AGAIN, much to the CONTINUED ANNOYANCE of SLATER'S RESIDENTS.
Hopefully, BIGGA SMELTER research has just completed. Or possibly POWER EFFICIENCY.
<New Turn>

>>108213
Does this replace or add to the one I did?

>>108213
how about not research for bigger smelter, research for power efficiency to prevent building another pwoer gen. im also almost sure we may be better off upgrading smelter efficiency to open up medium smelter

>>108213
Seems pretty solid. I would suggest that we research the anomaly after your list is done. I really think we need to figure out how to use that thing and if possible duplicate it.

this? >>108065

replaces.

i also want labs =c THOUSANDS OF SCIENTISTS, NO TEACHER AT ALL!

>>106268
requesting full shot of the wall here

possibly map format ._.

>Does this replace or add to the one I did?
It's similar to yours, but I wrote mine up as a standalone, for clarity, so it replaces it.

Also: Smelter Efficiency isn't an available option.

Also Also: Maybe I should have a fourth derrick instead of the factory? Then in nine months we'll be churning out 200 units of metal per month, meaning 2-3 delicious new squat industrial prefab buildings per month.

>THOUSANDS OF SCIENTISTS, NO TEACHER AT ALL!
We only have 140 professionals, so we need a school to make more scientists. It could take years to make a new batch, so we'd better start ASAP.

>>108223
if we had no factory, no, we need to at least make small firearm. the gesters are peaceful so far, but other lifeforms may not be.

do we still have a carrier? if so, can it produce stuff?

i was thinking of researching mining drones and having fun scrapping the carrier in the nebula for a shipyard.

>>108225

Eh. I'd say go with the Derrick, it's not as if we don't heavy equipment here. If we lose the orbit somehow we're dead anyway, so worst comes to worst we have orbital bombardment.

More than that we've got 10 gunships, and quiet a few ground vehicles and two thousand troops. We don't really need more stuff right now. Economy is more important IMHO.

Ed Pastry 2010/01/09(Sat)21:08 No. 108433 ID: 35cea2
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>>108235

The carrier does not have any means of production at the moment.

>>108167

Research of a MEDIUM SMELTER will take 3 months, although there is a later tech that will unlock all MEDIUM BUILDINGS at once.

>>108201

Ship scanners can probably detect Breaker presence within 5 parsecs. Breaker ships travel about the same speed as human ships, which is 1 parsec per month.

>>108221

I posted it in the Quest Discussion thread.

From now on, I'd really appreciate if suggestions for the build/research order were presented in an obvious way, like how Test Pattern does it. It's a bit easier for me to read and tally up the votes for which course of action I should follow. Thanks.

The current plan is
>>108213

3 months have passed. Morale is still fairly good, but the fact that there isn't enough housing and people have to be rotated between the Infractus and ground housing is beginning to annoy people. A metal DERRICK is halfway done. Gester research is complete...

Ed Pastry 2010/01/09(Sat)21:11 No. 108439 ID: 35cea2
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The Gesters have become more trusting of the contact teams, though they still refuse to go near Monument. Now that translation is complete, communication is much easier. The Gesters still don't understand verbalized speech, but they can communicate through writing. Gester communication is by manipulating two of their tentacles, so their writing is simply abstractions of these gestures.

The Gester form tightly knit tribes that contain no more than 3 or 4 families, much like early hunter-gatherer humans. Gesters have a religion based on worship of the weather and the sun, and commonly spend large amounts of their time meditating in hopes of communing with these spirits.

They now understand that humanity is forced from their original planet, and that Splinter is simply filled with normal mortals with access to knowledge far beyond their understanding. Gesters tend to bond much better with the Nautil simply because of their very nonthreatening size and vaguely similar body shape. The Gesters aren't terribly curious, and prefer to be left out of the Splinter's business.

This is pretty much all the important information, but more detail can be provided if neeeded.

Question: When removing a building to replace it with something better, do we get the metal back?

Now:
<no new building>
Begin Research of MEDIUM SMELTERS (3 turns)

1 Month from Now:
Begin a METAL DERRICK at MONUMENT.
(Metal production is now +100/month)

2 Months from Now:
Begin a SMALL GENERATOR at MONUMENT.
Begin a SCHOOLHOUSE at MONUMENT.

3 Months from Now:
Turn off the URANIUM DERRICK to run the newly completed THIRD METAL DERRICK instead.
(Metal production becomes +150/month)
Begin constructing 10x units of TEMPORARY HOUSING at both MONUMENT and SLATER, however is needed to minimize COMMUTING.
Begin research of ENHANCED DERRICKS. (5 turns)

--3.5 Months from Now:
--(Housing capacity is now 8,000, letting us hold everyone but starship crews, although only 3,000 is permanent housing. We'll begin replacing it soon.)

4 Months from Now:
<Pause to react to SCHOOLHOUSE opening, allowing us to see how SCREWED we are when it comes to TRAINING times on vitally important SPECIALISTS. Hopefully not TOO SCREWED.>

(How efficiently can we recycle old buildings? Can we turn Temp Housing back into metal as it's replaced? Or recycle old Smelters as we build more resource and energy efficient Medium ones? Or upgrade from Small to Medium?

Researching medium smelters separately is inefficient, but it should let us get a second Lab up and running faster, depending on recycling, so it evens out, right?)

Do we have abundant construction equipment, or would that be something to build at a Small Factory? Maybe to reduce the number of workers needed for maintenance and construction.

>>108439

Ok, we should start setting up some kind of trade with them. I'm not sure what they can offer us, but we should try to get them used to the idea of exchange for when we need to ask them to work for us.

Tell your researchers to learn what technologies do Gesters have, what do they eat, what is their anatomy, what illnesses do they have etc.

Later, based on that knowledge, we could offer them gifts, medical help, some low-level tech (getting food, building, etc.). Some of the food-related tech (e.g., Ithakan agriculture) may become available after researching into PLANETARY RESEARCH (ITHAKA) (see below).

As for Lab Research, I suggest first doing some PLANETARY RESEARCH (ITHAKA). It would let us know more about the planet where we would spend at least the next couple of decades, and the resources and possible dangers available. It could also help us find more common ground with the Gesters.

Then, we should start learning about THE ANOMALY. It would help us understand, what exactly are we dealing with. We could compare this with the reports from our scouting ships, and gain more understanding about the world around us. And combined with our knowledge of XENOCULTURE, it could give us some SECRET TECHNOLOGY!

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tl;dr
Xenocontact Team:
- learn GESTER ANATOMY
- learn GESTER TECHNOLOGY LEVEL
- learn GESTER FOOD PRODUCTION MEANS
- learn GESTER CUSTOMS AND SOCIETY

Lab Research:
1. PLANETARY RESEARCH (ITHAKA) (5 months)
2. THE ANOMALY (12 months)

P.S.: God, I'm starting to sound like a goddamn Civ2 advisor lol

>>108684
Btw, I'm still opposed to the idea of Gesters "working for us". They should either become equal members of our glorious Splinter society, or just live their own savage life.

>>108439
They managed to come up with a written language that fast? Damn that's impressive, simply that probably speed their development along a couple of thousand years. Most civilisations need to have reached the pastoral stage and stayed there for a thousand years or more before they get a written language. But seeing as they don't really want anything to do with us I think we should respect their wishes. I can't really see how us further meddling with them could possible help them. But it could still be a bit useful to know more about them, keep an observation team close and keep researching them a bit. As they are at a hunter-gatherer level of tech I don't think we will make any remarkably useful finds, but it could be good exercise for contact with other sentients we could run into.

>>108515
This seems like a pretty solid plan.

I would just like to add that I think we should get cracking on the anomaly as soon as we have the medium smelter tech. It could also be a good idea to build a second research center if we have the manpower for it.

With just one I feel like we have a bottleneck when it comes to research. But we also have to build up an industry that can provide us with the material necessary to capitalise on our improved tech.

>>108689
Equal Members is what I'm talking about.

>>108712
But they don't really want anything to do with us.

There's also the problem with a knowledge gap between us. They have no concept of a spoken language and their written language is composed of pictograms. To make sure that they understand abstract things like nuclear fission as well as a monetary economy is not really something we can do at the moment. And if they're not able to understand such things then they will only be able to perform simple physical labor and will become an easily distinguished lower class of society.

And that doesn't even begin to address the problems we would face if the Breakers finds us. We can get some 8000 humans away from there, we can't evacuate some 10 to 20 million gesters and we certainly can't uplift them to a level of development where they would be able to fight off a Breaker fleet. They will most likely be better off if we leave them to develop naturally on their own.

>>108715
No, because they only just met us and we're crazy sky people, of course they're wary. The fact is that 8000 humans is just not enough to do stuff with. Unless we can come up with a way of flash cloning folks (this may not even be possible) the geisters are the only option as workers.

Ed Pastry 2010/01/10(Sun)06:27 No. 108720 ID: 35cea2
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>>108506
>>108515

Buildings (and vehicles) can be scrapped for half their construction costs. The process takes one month.
Upgrading a building, however, subtracts the full cost of the small building from the upgrade.

>>108559

It is not necessary to build construction equipment. Efficiency of maintenance and construction workers cannot be improved at the moment.

>>108688

GESTER ANATOMY: The gesters' average height is about the same as an average human's. They have tough skin that is resistant to cuts and blows, but protects them little from large fluctuations in temperature. Gesters cannot get sick from human illnesses and vice versa. The disease that is proving to be an especially big problem is a type of water-transmitted parasitic ameboa that infects their eyes and causes blindness. Gesters push themselves along the ground slowly (max speed is about human walking speed), but their tentacles are fast and strong, able to move more rapidly and exert more force than human arms.

GESTER TECHNOLOGY: They are technically in the stone age, as they do not use metals. Thanks to cooperation with research teams, they have developed a written that is very easy for them to learn. They live in tents constructed from wooden poles covered by the soft and flexible membrane of some giant fungus. They can craft stone weapons, clay pottery and carve various items out of wood. Due to the rarity of wood on this island, they tend to spare the wood for either the tents or religious idols.

GESTER FOOD PRODUCTION: Gesters are herbivorious, and their tough stomachs can digest virtually any type of plant matter. They farm some type of tall grass, which they harvest and grind into a gooey paste which they eat. When their preferred crop fails, they can always revert to grazing on grasses and shrubs until either the crops stop failing or they have to move on to another area.

GESTER CUSTOMS AND SOCIETY: As stated before, they behave quite similarly to human hunter-gatherer societies, except they have developed to be more sedentary. They are cautious, not especially curious and passive. Gesters do not usually resort to violence, but disputes between wandering tribes can sometimes lead to conflict.


Due to
>>108515
having 2 votes as opposed to
>>108688
, Test Pattern's plan is followed again.

4 months have passed.
New buildings:
Monument: 10 TEMPORARY HOUSING, 1 SCHOOLHOUSE, 2 SMALL DERRICKS, 1 POWER GENERATOR
Slater: 10 TEMPORARY HOUSING
Morale is now GOOD. Monument has 13.5 power remaining, Slater has 1 power remaining.

MEDIUM SMELTERS has been researched. Minor design changes have been applied to the original blueprint.

ENHANCED DERRICKS is currently 1/5 completed.

8 months have passed since the Corvettes have left for the other star systems. The Ira will be back in 5 months and the Contemno will be back in 6.

The SCHOOLHOUSE can train 200 people at once. It takes 4 years for a NONWORKER to be trained as a WORKER and 4 years for a WORKER to be trained as a PROFESSIONAL.

Made a mistake with the previous report. We had more professionals than that.

>>108688

Let's leave the artifact until we've got more labs, it'll take ages.

>>108720
can we get a picture of the settlements as of >>108720 ? Or a list of buildings already constructed if that's easier.

>>108718
But the Gesters cannot really do anything for us except for physical labor. They cannot understand spoken languages and due to their tentacles humans cannot mimic their language. If we try to teach them what they need to know to be of any use to us then we miss out on using our schools for our own children.

>>108720
I would like to add another small lab to be built at monument on the next build order.

Btw what do the rest of you think of educating people piecemeal so that there are 50 new graduates per year as opposed to educating them in a batch so there are 200 every 4 years? I think we should start with educating nonworkers into workers as well as building another school sometime during the next 4 years. We should also tech up some school tech during that time. Then we could build a new bigger school for worker education while the smaller one is for professional education into specialists.

>>108726
educating in piece-meal like that could work, surely some of the untrained people had SOME partial education before the exodus.

Restarting the economy might be a good idea, since we have a large food surplus. It'll give the people some semblance of normality. We should also try to replace all temporary housing with small apartments asap. living in tents for a year+ can't be good for morale.

id like to schedule the upgrade of the housing ASAP. we should get the infrastructure out of the way before making more labs and factories. the lab for now should focus on efficiency tech since we may be able to upgrade all buildings at once.

>>108439
i smell luna/ucs dickery!

>>108726
this is tecnically impossible. we can make them tecnicians instead of full blown graduated personnel, but this means we still need 2 years (1 if they dedicate themselves full time) AND a coworker that has graduated normally in a 1:1 ratio. this specializes them in ONE field of operation, as they learn the basic of a craft and focus on it. they wont really be able to become PROFESSIONALS least they undergo the graduate trainer and lastly, we also cannot do this to scientists.

we really have a lot of civs. we need something to give them what to do, can we start economy too?

inquire to the gesters about:

breaker
the icons
local monoliths-like structures
what they delicassies would be.

Wait a tick...why is our Population decreasing? Whats killing off our people?

Hey, guys, what do you think of this build plan?

Now:
Start building a small laboratory

1 month from now:
Start building a medium smelter

2 months from now:
Start building a small factory
Finish building the second small lab

3 months from now:
Finish researching Enhanced Derricks
Finish Medium Smelter
Take next turn

On an unrelated note, what are the details on the Gester's religion and beliefs?

Ed Pastry 2010/01/10(Sun)09:14 No. 108736 ID: 35cea2
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>>108724

The map won't fit all the buildings, so here's a list as well.

>>108726

Unfortunately training cannot work that way, as all workers must go through the 4 year educational course.

>>108732

The gesters have no idea of the Breakers, strange monoliths or anything like that. As for delicacies, the gesters prefer eating some rare type of grass that only grows in small patches in certain areas, though they have also taken a liking to the contact team's oatmeal.

>>108733

I have made a few errors in previous posts. Rest assured, the current population count is correct and the population is slowly increasing.

>>108735
Sounds fine to me. If we get the small factory going we can start churning out small arms for the civies to form a militia.

I think the population might also benefit from knowing our purpose and vision for mankind. My suggestion for that is (I doubt anyone will be surprised by it) survival, safety and most importantly revenge against the Breakers. Revenge will not be something easy, we will have to not just build ourselves up to the level we were at before the Breakers came, we will have to expand beyond that if we are to have any hope to beat them. We also have to make sure that mankind doesn't forget the Breakers or what they did to us.

>>108738
Eh, let's see what the factory can produce before we make decisions.

And I'd hardly call revenge the most important purpose of mankind, if it should be a purpose at all. Do we really wish to base our society around taking revenge upon another race? That seems to be an unwise course of action.

>>108736
So we can't send in 50 people to train and then the next year send in 50 more and so on? I mean 200 is the maximum capacity right, so if we admit classes of 50 and one class per year we should get 50 graduates in 4 years and after that we get 50 new graduates per year. It's not like we can get in 200 each year, right?

Part of my proposal was that we get two schools going. One for training non workers into workers and then one to train workers into professionals. So first they get trained into workers and then a smaller number of those get trained into professionals.

>>108742
Hrmm... We -are- getting 150 metal each month, and a school only costs 50 metal, so we -could- begin construction of that second school alongside the small factory in the build plan I proposed...

>>108744
dont forget> apartment costs about 550, we need at least 1 more lab and we could use the factory, wich will consume metal.

we also need to think on the techs. i want scout drones, the sooner we develop unmanned devices the merrierer for us.

also cybernetics. cyber-manned frigates with fighter drone AI is just too much EvE to pass.

>>108740
It could work. I'm willing to leave out revenge, but survival and security must be central. Neither can be assured so long as the Breakers exist as an independant politcal entity. If mankind is to be safe and survive then the Breakers must be destroyed. And revenge can be a very good motivator.

But I agree that we should wait and see what the factory can make for us before we decide what should be made.

also we need to do the beacon tech after infrastructure. this is more immediate since it may give us a better idea of the middle we are at

our main goal should be discussed in the discussion thred.

in short, we should build infrastructure to then decide.

as a long term, we need diplomacy to make any decisions. breaker wherent the only species in this galaxy, alon with the fact we may have 9+ others in immediate vicinity.

>So we can't send in 50 people to train and then the next year send in 50 more and so on?
Why would we want to? That just means it's operating slower! (or rather, that it takes 3 years to start operating correctly)

Okay, let's see. Seeing how we have 2,500+ workers but only 150 specialists, I vote that we open up three schools and have all three train specialists. We'll end up with ~2,000 workers and ~800 specialists. That might be a little lopsided, but more specialists means more research and more schools to train MORE workers.

Build order up shortly...

>>108774
Yes it takes bit longer to work the way it's supposed to but with that method we get new workers or professionals every year instead of just every 4th year. But I don't really care either way on that subject. I just wanted to see if anyone else thought it was a decent idea, but it's probably faster to just build more schools.

NOW:
Begin a LAB at SLATER
Begin training 200 WORKERS into SPECIALISTS.

1 month from now:
Upgrade one SMELTER to a MEDIUM SMELTER at MONUMENT. (If this causes it to go offline, shut down the Sea Derrick and run two METAL DERRICKS on the remaining smelter.)
Build a fourth METAL DERRICK at MONUMENT.

2 months from now:
Begin a SCHOOLHOUSE at MONUMENT.
Begin a SCHOOLHOUSE at SLATER. (just to mix things up)
~IF the smelter can run while being upgraded: Begin an APARTMENT at MONUMENT.
LAB completes. Begin assisting first lab in ENHANCED DERRICK research, allowing it to be completed in ONE MORE MONTH.

3 months from now:
Begin a fifth METAL DERRICK at MONUMENT.
~IF the smelter can run while being upgraded: Begin a MILITARY OUTPOST at SLATER.
ENHANCED DERRICK research complete. Begin research on ALIEN DISC. (6 turns)
UPGRADE all DERRICKS with ENHANCED DERRICK tech, including the one going into construction right now, using 7(?) Superconductors.
NOTE: Smelter comes online. Activate all DERRICKS. Metal production becomes +200/month.

4 months from now:
Begin a sixth METAL DERRICK at MONUMENT. (w/upgrade)
Upgrade remaining SMALL SMELTER to MEDIUM SMELTER at MONUMENT. (If this shuts it down, Metal Derricks get preference, as usual)
Begin training 400 more WORKERS into SPECIALISTS. (subject to vote)

Celebrate END OF SECOND YEAR ON ITHAKA. (unless I miscounted)

5 months from now:
Begin a seventh METAL DERRICK at MONUMENT. (w/upgrade)
Begin a SMALL FACTORY at MONUMENT/
(Metal production becomes +250/month)

6 months from now:
Begin a SMALL GENERATOR at MONUMENT.
Begin 2x APARTMENTS at MONUMENT.
Begin an eighth METAL DERRICK at MONUMENT. (w/upgrade)
(Metal production becomes +300/month)

7 months from now:
Factory completes. Pause and see what we can build.
(Metal Production becomes +350/month)

(NOTE: At this point, we'll have 140 of our 148 specialists doing stuff with buildings alone. We can't build any more things needing specialists for another 3-4 years unless we shut one down.)

PS: We have a surplus of housing already (not sure how that happened) so if it's convenient to do so, tear down Temp Housing to put up an Apartment in its place whenever we build one. This isn't really important. Just so the center of town isn't full of empty tents when we're done. (On the other hand, might want to leave room for an upgraded command center. Or we could use the Lab for that when we eventually build a bigger one.)

>specialists
Whoops. I meant Professionals.

we may need at least 1 more small factory. for the carrier.

these apartments can be made from upgraded tents i belive.

we need to priorize beacon tech. after this 12 months of research, we may need more to get actual useful stuff.

Ed Pastry 2010/01/14(Thu)14:54 No. 110679 ID: 35cea2
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>>108783

The plan is followed. (Note: 145 PROFESSIONALS are used, due to the SMALL FACTORY needed 5) All DERRICKS are operational, meaning the uranium DERRICK provides just enough URANIUM to satisfy the generators.

ENHANCED DERRICKS have been researched. Work has begun on THE ANOMALY. It is currently 8/12 research points done.


The ships have returned from their expeditions to Cadmus B and Salamis A. They bring reports as well as 190 FUEL each, collected from the nebula.

Cadmus B is surrounded only 2 lifeless, airless planets. The second is highly rich in SUPERCONDUCTORS.

Salamis A is surrounded by a gas giant and several smaller rocky planets. One of these planets is covered by a thick, methane-rich atmosphere. Underneath the cloud cover lies a blanket of anaerobic bacteria ranging from a centimeter to several miles deep in some places.

More detailed reports can be provided if requested.

Ed Pastry 2010/01/14(Thu)14:57 No. 110680 ID: 35cea2
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Here is the current build list for the SMALL FACTORY. LUXURY GOODS can only be made when RESTART ECONOMY is researched.

A SMALL FACTORY has 6 BUILD POINTS (BP) per month, which it can spend on these vehicles (These cannot be accumulated unless working on a vehicle that takes more than 6 BP to make. BP cannot be recycled)

Ed Pastry 2010/01/14(Thu)14:59 No. 110682 ID: 35cea2
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Cont'd

[spoiler] You know when I said that there was no more errors with population? I lied, I realized I forgot to add the soldiers that returned from the Anomaly expeditions. Last time this happens, I promise! [/spoilers]

>>110679
I would be interested in knowing the gravity on Cadmus B2. Would it be possible to land one of the bigger ships there and safely take off again?

It would also be interesting to know more about the bacteria on Salamis A. It may have some useful properties.

>>110680
For factory build order I would suggest 3 nails and 1 chisel for the first month. It gives us more mobility on the ground and allows for faster responses in emergancy situations.

By the way is there any way to make a mobile mining derrick? Such a thing should be useful for attempts at off-world mining.

Suggestion: We continue to run the generator from fuel and start stockpiling Uranium.

Anyway, I'll let Test Pattern do the general builds, but let's run 6 LUVs out on the first month and flip the reactor back to run on fuel not Uranium cause we need that.

We're gonna need another Uranium Derrick I think, that's the big shortage here. Also, more labs, because however many ground vehicles we have it won't be much defense against a real breaker threat... though it might work against the natives should they prove hostile.

>>110721

To be super clear
-6 LUVs for the first month

too many ground combat units for my liking. we are bent to have land skirmish, arent we?

id like to know if the BRIC is likely to be used in ship boarding and defending. if so, make a few for soldier trainning.

>Suggestion: We continue to run the generator from fuel and start stockpiling Uranium.
This.

Now:
Begin a COASTAL DERRICK at MONUMENT
Begin a METAL DERRICK at MONUMENT
FACTORY: Build 6x LUVs

1 Month from now:
Begin a SMALL WAREHOUSE at SLATER
Begin 2x APARTMENTS at SLATER
Begin 3x APARTMENTS at MONUMENT
FACTORY: Build 2x BRICs
(Metal Production becomes +400/month)

2 Months from now:
Disc Research Completes
<New Turn>

>>110858
id really like to make small firearms...

soon we will need luxury stuff, so we may not have how to make a organized police force or even a backup plan.

look at that many ground units. how tell me you arent expecting to use them.

>>110858

Please specify the armaments of the vehicles.

>>110867

Right, I forgot about civilian sidearms. 6 BP and 100 METAL makes sidearms for 1000 people (NONWORKERS cannot be equipped with sidearms)

Small firearms are, I think, made at the Military Outpost.

You could suggest some military training in the meantime. It won't affect my build order.

In fact, let's go ahead and...

NOW:
Begin training 100 LOGISTICS PERSONNEL (finish in 3 months)

How do we train SPECIALIZED CREWMEN?

>>110875
considering our people, making 2k small arm is overkill. we organize a police force later on.

the brics should have missiles and railguns. no point in going cheaper i think.

>>110877

100 WORKERS trained 6 months at a MILITARY OUTPOST. SPECIALIZED CREWMEN and CREWMEN are the same thing, I just wanted to emphasize the fact that regular infantry cannot drive most vehicles (with the exception of COMMANDOS)

>Please specify the armaments of the vehicles.
I figured the LUVs (at least) would just get outfitted per-mission, seeing how the guns are free. If not...

3 LUVs: Chainguns
3 LUVs: GLs
2 BRICs: Autocannon + Light Railgun each

Cost: 2 M + 2 SC

>>110881
would this give us AA capatibility?

if we could mass produce BRICs, id like to know of this:>>110803

I think Test Pattern's plan is good, as usual.

Though... Could you provide details for the different weapons availiable? What are the capabilities of railguns?