Right now I have two big ideas, one of them is for a new weapon, the other is a way to help keep mords secret.

First the weapon, this is more or less the post from the main thread with the addition of anti magic and a bit of rewording. So if you read that one you can skip this bit. It’s a cheap dirty and quick orbital bombardment system. First we take Burduko on a ride though space, so he can teleport objects over areas of interest. What we have him teleport are specially prepared tungsten spears. The spears are enchanted with limited Tractomancy, and Kinetimancy. The Tractomancy spell is limited to do one thing and one thing only, keep the spear pointed at a paired beacon that someone on the ground has planted. Its job is to keep the spear on track, and make sure it can find the target. (Bound to only work when no one is holding the spear, bond to only work when the spear is above the ground, bond to only change the facing of the spear, and anything else you guys think would help) Kinetimancy is what will actually make sure sure the spear goes where it’s supposed to by constantly pushing the spear forwards along the path its pointing at. (bond to only when no one is holding the spear, bond to only work when the spear is more than 700 feet above the ground bond to only work if the spear is pointed at the ground, bond to work only if the spear is dropped, not if it is thrown.) to prevent easy deflection, we also add some anti magic runes.(bond to only work when the spear is white hot, bond to only work when less than 699 feet above the grond, bond to only work against arcane magic.) I think we can migit be able to get away with having guidance cut out a few hundred feet from the target. But I could be wrong. But the spears would not be that expensive, so we could probably make a few with slightly different runes for testing purposes. This system would have the advantage of not having standing platforms in orbit that could be destroyed. does anyone see any improvements to be made or glaring flaws?

I also have an idea to help keep people from getting suspicious of us. As things stand to fully cement our cover story we need to eventually produce long range golem control. I have a feeling that’s going to be very difficult to produce. What we do is at some point is “admit” that a few key pieces of our apparatus were fond rather than made. The reason we needed so much data on the system was because we are still trying to reverse engineer how some of its parts work. If we act sufficiently embarrassed about it we might be able to get people to buy it Again does anyone see ways to improve this or any reasons why it wouldn’t work?

>>345976
the orbital bombardment just seems impractical to me. Way to much effort into somthing that can be done with a quick teleport followed by a order-chaos shot

second
the key to a good lie is knowing when to shut up about it, as best as I can tell were already at that point

>>345977
At first I thought the same... then it occurred to me that order/chaos shot destroys souls. This would be a weapon of mass destruction that doesn't, allowing us to harvest the souls of whatever it blows up.

The thing is, we CAN actually make non soul destroying shots with the canon... we just need to shoot only one of the two bullets, or not invert one, and use lots of coils to accelerate it to ridiculous speed for a large boom that isn't souls destroying.

Also it would not be that hard to stop with magic, unlike a teleporting mordre. And I wouldn't want to give our enemies ideas. (imagine they started using that on us)

Finally, simple =! easy. Aiming something like that is not a trivial task.

the point of this system is to let the state forces make use of orbital attack Without our direct involvement. It is less powerful than what we can do personally but requires nothing more than a bit of Phohn's attention and Burduko's tel-port capacity.

I don't know much about deception so i'll take your word on the second point, but my idea could still be a backup plan if people start asking to many questions about long range golem control .

>>345957
thanks for the explanation... well, in that case I think we just need to give arkus control over said deep spawn.

>>345984
seconded

Getting Arkus to use the deepspawn egg is fairly easy, didn't we travel through time and run into FUTURE-BANG who expressed surprise at seeing him in a physical body? I would suppose that future was one wherein he didn't use the deep spawn egg and was stuck as a funky spirit of some kind.

>>346006
what? where? when?

All this space stuff needs to beware of Broggamek.
He will fuck our space shit up.

>>346010
When Lenryt hauled us into the future and abandoned us in present mad biomancer land, I'm fairly certain we met Bang from Arkus's perspective very briefly, and he was surprised to see him in a body.

This makes sense of course since Arkus's body mirrors the Caged One, who is attempting to outgas his soul and go kicking amongst the starts, I guess Arkus's soul is just trying to escape his body and the end result will be a sentient souldude walking around.

>>346011
thats why I came up with a system that doesn't have anything in orbit. just teleport up the premade rods and let gravity do the work

>>346075
if its that simplistic a system, it will be murder to aim.

>>346094
that was explained here >>345976 i'm not super sure just how strong the local magic is but i'm fairly certain that its strong enough to act as a guidance mechanism.

everything mordre knows about morgren thats been mentioned in the quest threads


-----------from the first thread

>To the south is a mix of human settlements with a few fairly large communities, I mentioned the mid sized town with iron mines, and Froggrock tribes. Normally I would say the Froggrocks should be avoided, but they seem to view all golems highly and Soul Graves are practically worshiped from what I have been told.

>To the south west, though, I know there is a Morgren.... mass down there, barely held in check by the surrounding communities. I don't know if it would work, but they might recognize your design, and perhaps the way the Mosmordrens designed them will compel them to serve you. .....Although if it doesn't, they are still quite adherent to their berserker-like dedication to war and combat, and they would try very, VERY hard to destroy you.

------------- above and bellow came from asking arkus

The Yetis and Premen to the north don't have any formal government, and the Morgren horde to the south-west is the only one nearby. Most of the others migrated. ...Ah, that's about it I can think of."

------------- this from one of our early conversations with the yeti

And if it were not for the power wielded through those gems..... the Premen, they are our bane. Singularly primal and wild in manner and appearance, they are giant, bestial people. Only the Morgren can claim to be stronger, more ferocious than they."

------------A what should I do? mordre thought

-Alternatively, both the Froggrocks and Morgrens have reason to revere my existence, and I might be able to forge an army and kingdom out of the savage kingdoms. The plan is far more direct, and may let me gain a larger army than I could normally achieve so quickly, but there is a chance that I could be faced with an alliance the likes of which destroyed Mosmordre, should the news of a free willed golem spread.

-----------from thread twelve when we were fussing about how to use blood to supe up our metal

-Beyond Deep Spawn, Morgren, Dreameaters, Core Beings, World Parasites, Blood Parasites, Deep Beings and immortals all have innately imbued blood.




--------Discussion thread

MORGREN:
Morgren are a Life Golem species crafted by the Mosmordren Empire as shock troops, and they were bred and molded to be violent and powerful, vicious fighters. Made from a base Premen (The great, hairy and freakishly strong barbarians to the north. They have little civilization.) augmented with Gorilla, Tiger and Rhinoceros, they are eight to ten feet tall, have some seven hundred to twelve hundred pounds of slabs of ropey muscle, have patches of thick, pelt-like hair on their shoulders, forearms and pelvis, and have rough, pebbly skin, their hide tougher than good leather armor. Their jaws are massive and ludicrously overdeveloped, with viscous fangs and a horn protruding from their forehead, their necks and spines heavily reinforced.

They have formed a strange, perpetually warring set of Clans since the fall of the empire of their masters, and now fight both each other and everyone they find, pillaging and raiding as they go, only submitting to those they deem stronger.
--------------

At no point was it inferred Life Golems could not reproduce, provided multiple of the same type are made and they have not been designed to lack sexual organs.
Morgrens were created as a warrior race, so fairly hostile (Premen in general would find them significantly warlike, Bang would LOVE them).
Refined, as they wouldn't make decent soldiers if they couldn't follow orders to some degree.
They would see Premen as a Precursor race (since that is one of their base building blocks as life golems), beyond that would vary based on Morgren tribe and how the meeting went.
Crossbreed possible, but would work like normal crossbreed, IE sterile offspring.
Morgren do not have makers, use slave labor for building/etc (slaves of all sorts from those they have fought in raids).
Morgren work on a clan basis heavily influenced by basic animalistic 'alpha' mentalities, in that clan leadership is won by strength, not inherited.
To Soul Grave: Unknown, never encountered a Sapient Soul Grave before.
To 'Mage Mordre': Would be highly interested in where the mage claims to hail from.
To Kyorto: Genetic predisposition to serve, provided she can prove Mosmordren birth despite new life. Respect for strength to return from death.
Only concentration of Morgren is to the southwest as mentioned, they have been pushed back every time they tried to encroach on more populated lands, as they lack cohesive leadership.
More than ten thousand were made, specific numbers unknown.
Total current population: in excess of twenty thousand, specific number unknown
...The Mosmordren Empire made them, through their mage collectives, unless you mean the original person to work out the particular formula, in which case, find it out in quest.
A sizable portion of the Morgren population are surviving original creations, many of them in higher positions due to veteran status in tribes.
They never had anger towards specific foes, they just view them as things they were told to kill, and killed, when serving Mosmordre, the empire that created them.
One would assume them to still have the inbuilt prerogatives to serve Mosmordren citizens.
Unknown how Morgren would respond to Mordre, dependent on many factors, authority not guaranteed.
There is no such thing as an untrained Morgren , they have inbuilt weapon proficiency encoded in them, that they polish through personal experience.
Able to treat normal humans like toddlers, stronger than normal Premen, weaker than Oggroth.
They were used as berserker/shock troops, and to form raiding parties.
Main function was dependent on role assigned, but generally to serve as high-potency infantry.
Morgren served in both, though when serving in mixed unit, had handlers that guided them.

>>346150
Nice summary. Anything in the discussion thread is something we know but Mordre does not.

And we need to get the froggrocks ASAP, they would worship us, which meshes well with our belief engine.

With the morgreen: One possible approach I see is that we establish ourselves as a fellow mesmordian creation then we are on equal footing, in which case its "the weaker obey the stronger"... we just have to defeat the strongest of each tribe in single combat and set it such that there are tournaments every day, and that once per month we shall come to fight the victor of said tournaments for position of strongest. Although I am concerned about reprecussions, they sound overly aggressive and uncontrolled and we already have the premen (who actually have makers), it might be best to purge the morgreen if they are too rough. Not saying we should, just keeping the option open.

Actually, why even bother revealing our identity? A simple "we are told that the morgreen follow the strongest, I will claim that title by fighting the strongest amongst you"

i'm seeing some issues with conqouring the morgen. they are not the sort we want assosacted with us. and I don't trust them to keep a secret from the more advanced nations. It might be best if we try to civlize them a bit before making use of them. to get them to adopt more "acceptable" practices we could use the pitch that these methods have allowed mere humans to become strong enough to repel the morgen time and time again.

>>346165
If Kyorto gives them orders they have to obey those orders. As long as we can trust Kyorto, we can trust them. And we won't be associated with them, because we aren't keeping them anywhere obvious. We are putting them in the Cursed Lands. The place noone goes.

>>346166
I am almost entirely certain that the cursed lands can't support life

>>346168
Which is the entire reason we made Welgahoo. That is why he exists.

>>346170
I thought it was to allow the premen to make food in the mountains. Part of the big reason why our premen are so strong and growing so fast (via absorption of other clans)

>>346214
No, we made him for the cursed lands. The premen thing was just a bonus.

>>346215
but could even a deepspawn grow safe food in the cursed lands? i mean just eating whats already there turned those premen makers into monsters

>>346256
That's assuming that the colony wouldn't just clear out the flora and fauna they intend to inhabit, and introduce, from the State's stores as well as the Drazken's, imported seeds. Barring weirdness (which, as such oddity would likely stem from an organic source as the Curse only afflicts organics to the extant of the knowledge people have revealed in-quest, Mordre could just have the Spectral Gorging Anima take care of it), those plants would grow up just fine.

Quick question: didn't Ulzrick redact a key to the sixth level of our Arcanotower?
If not: we rule the state, so why do we have no key? We could use some more space there.

Dedicated conference room so that many people can communicate simultaneously? Maybe even with video? Or another for Jezebel to build manufactering belts? Come on people. Get creative here.

>>346276
that place is now just one of our many outposts. it probably does have the key but its not that important right now.

>>346276
We've been busy.
Also it might not be there because of PARADOX or something, since right after we did that we redacted it so that we never got hit on the head and that fucked things up.

>>346316
Yup. Don't remember if we followed up on that.
Sorry about that by the way.

[Since we have no Gun For Hire discussion thread, I'm going to leave these here]

>[22:03] <TheBeardiestBob> So, either of you on to hear about the Texas born Iroguios bounty hunter last night? The one who uses a Mare's Leg (shortened to pistol size lever action rifle) chambered in handloaded .50x110 Sharps? Which have roughly four times the impact power as the 600 nitro express?
>[22:04] <Dkay_>4x power of 600 nitro? What does he bounty hunt? Demons?
>[22:04] <TheBeardiestBob> and was trained to shoot by Bob Mundon?
>[22:05] <TheBeardiestBob> Currently? He's getting a contract from Brandt's wife to help her (as she is an accomplished sniper) hunt down her husband's killer.
>[22:05] <ManOfTroy> Ooh, this person if awesome
>[22:06] <TheBeardiestBob> which would be you, in case you missed that.
>[22:11] <Dkay_> BOB MUNDON!? Isn't that they guy who can shoot fast as lighting at a mosquito dick from a mile away?
>[22:11] <TheBeardiestBob> yes it is

Bob Munded:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcZHVspVIDs

Also,


>[22:12] <TheBeardiestBob> also, I realized something-if the right conditions are met, Armas, in learning about magic weapons, the function of magic itself, gunsmithing, and advanced weapons technology-then he could rekit Keihas so that it could function as a rail-gun, on top of conventional chemical propellant and magical influence.ed that.
>[22:13] <TheBeardiestBob> I won't tell you specifically how he does it-never know, your idea could make it work better, who knows
>[22:13] <TheBeardiestBob> but it is possible
>[22:14] <TheBeardiestBob> magical, vorpal bayonet'ed rail-rifle
Get your thinking meats working. We must make this happen!


>[22:49] <Dkay_> Bob, does eating superjerky also restore the blood which has been lost?
>[23:10] <TheBeardiestBob> it causes faster regeneration and cellular division-your body performs the healing process faster. Since having less than optimum amounts of blood leads to the production of more, you know, blood. So-since it causes accelerated healing, the logical assumption would be it does.
>[23:12] <Dkay_> next question, how much blood can a person safely lose/donate each week?
>[23:12] <TheBeardiestBob> you know Armas' body weight-look it up.
>[23:26] <Dkay_> So .. if my calculations are right, Amas can donate 0.817 litres of blood. Normally that would be once per 56 days. But with accelerated healing that meat provides he could cut that time to 8 days.... Right?
>[23:27] <Dkay_> so, my next question. Could Armas oversaturate Keihas with his own blood that in time it does not become merely a tool but almost an extension of himself?
>[23:27] <Dkay_> like, an extra limb?
>[12:32]<TheBeardiestBob>...Thank you for the concept to work with Dkay, I think I can work something out

I think Armas' blood should be supernatural too, since he has flesh of Whaitiri as his own.

>>346819
>[22:03] <TheBeardiestBob> So, either of you on to hear about the Texas born Iroguios bounty hunter last night? The one who uses a Mare's Leg (shortened to pistol size lever action rifle) chambered in handloaded .50x110 Sharps? Which have roughly four times the impact power as the 600 nitro express?
No such thing. The closest things I could find are .50-110 Winchester and .50-140 Sharps. .50-110 is pretty close to .45-70 in performance: a black powder round with a huge bullet but not that that much velocity behind that bullet. The round you were probably thinking of is .50-140, which is comparable to .500NE (though it's still nothing special by today's standards).

tl;dr he might as well just use a .45-70 and save himself the trouble of finding the crazy rare ammo for his gun.

>>346846
No, I was specifically talking about the 50x110 Sharps cartridge, which was one of their buffalo hunting cartridges. Past there, couple things.
-Dude handloads his rounds and has a home setup to machine the actual shell casing, so obtaining more rounds isn't an issue.
-While his rounds are ostensibly 50x110 sharps, they are not black powder, the slug proper has been redesigned, and in general the round modernized.
-It is this modernized round (which in terms of composition has more to do with Raufoss rounds than old black powder charges) which has four times the force. I am well aware of the limitations of black powder.

Of course, I'm no gun expert-if you believe there are grounds to call this mechanically impossible, cite them.

>>346864
Okay, after a little Googling I think I've found the round you're referring to. Just in case, would you mind showing me your source?

As for the technical difficulties I can think of: Rifle would need some serious modifications to handle the increased force. Similarly, the cartridge would need extra reinforcement so it won't be seriously warped when fired (you could probably get away with steel cartridges, but I'm no expert). The bullet has to be flat-nosed because of the tube magazine; it's also handmade, which generally means less precise tooling and no nice smooth copper jacket. At such high velocities that combination can result in drastically reduced accuracy, I'm almost tempted to make a comparison to a smoothbore musket (though that may be a bit of an exaggeration). Oh, and unless you've hacked on a suppressor, the muzzle flash will be brighter than the sun and the report will be enough to cause permanent hearing damage to not only the shooter but everybody within thirty feet of the shooter.

By the way, the proper syntax is ".50-110".

So, what were the other research outposts in the State working on? Anything nifty?

That's right, I keep forgetting. .50-110, not .50x110... maybe I'll remember this time.

Source is: http://www.chuckhawks.com/buffalo_cartridges.htm

Couple clarifying things.

-When I said he was set up at home, I mean that between his home machining capacities and his associates assorted contacts, he can get comparably precise tooling and copper jacketing for his ammunition.
-This is a person who in-character is a MASSIVE Wanted: Dead or Alive fan, who wanted to be just like the W:DoA character Josh Randall. He has purposefully devoted a disproportionate amount of his time and money to that goal over his life-part of which was getting an over-calibered Mare's leg.
-As he has the aid of a magical bloodline to deal with the recoil, allowing him to fire this without breaking his shoulder or wrists, also favors going into combat with noise cancelling headphones and protective eyewear.
-He actually enjoys the fact each time he fires his gun it's like a little flashbang.
-This is why he can get away with using such an outdated weapon in a contemporary setting-it lets him be an EXCELLENT urban combat operative, by using corners and tight spaces to blind, deafen and in general stun foes while shooting.

Now, if you still see some problems bring them up, as with this I think that's all the character justification I have for him using that.

>>346919
What, pre-State collapse, or currently? pre-State, bunch of different things, largely related to magical artillery, mass magical weapons for armies, golem research and metallurgy/magnetomancy theory, as a counter to the Mosmordren Empire's fondness for enchanted metals. Currently, Eisenhardt and Kyroto are getting each outpost (Save the Arcanoworks and Eisenhardt's bases, which are now becoming 'administrative' outposts that immediately oversee other research outposts) linked up with Burduko and the teleport gates Lenryt installed, so that on command all sixteen non-administrative outposts can be put on a single collective task, or set individually.

>>346941
Okay, that makes more sense. Still no way it'd get the power of .600NE, especially with a short barrel... might have to cheat and handwave it as magic whatever. Come to think of it, that would also give you an excuse to ignore the accuracy issues as well.

Can we make a seperate discussion thread specifically for "Gun for hire" quest?

Anyways:
1. How about a 3 safe plan where one is obvious, one is hidden badly, one is hidden very well. With the one very well hidden containing the tomes where armas writes the knowledge he gains from the goblins? Write it immediately after a lesson and memorize it before the next one.

2. Ok seriously can someone explain to me why we are pursuing adelet?

Why do people want to murder and loot a random stranger? (mystery soldier woman)

PS. my guess as to whom she is:
Armas's distaff counterpart from an alternate universe. (thats a joke btw, I don't really think so)

>>347025
Actually I had the same thought too

Anonymous 2011/05/28(Sat)23:18 No. 37253 ID: 5b95eb
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I haven't read Guns yet, but I do have a suggestion for it.

You must kill someone important with the .11 Whatzit

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>>347053
Real men use 2.7mm.

It's that little tiny thing between the .45 round and the gun.

>>347065
Yet still enough to penetrate a skull. :/

>>347066
It has a muzzle energy of 4 joules. My BB gun can get about three times as much energy.

>>347066
.22 bullets usually fail to penetrate a skull if they don't hit the right angle... and there have been cases where a direct perpendicular hit at 90 degrees to the skull STILL failed to penetrate through the skull.

>>347070
which makes it nearly harmless to humans. Unless you fire it point blank at an important organ. You are literally at greater risk dying from a taser then you are from one of these shots... but it CAN put out an eye. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_mm_Kolibri

finally, its not a MODERN WEAPON... we promised to teach them modern human weapons, the above is a curio from 1914-1938 which was never popular and they would never face.
Also we need to keep the goblins interested, they must be convinced that it is worth to keep spending hours learning the use of modern humans weapons over their current fighting styles of sword and arrow. This means teaching them useful weapons.
mmm... you can learn then teach them... if you keep on progressing with master ito you could then teach them a martial art based on guns. And Krav Maga is VERY modern weaponry oriented. It uses modern guns and knives.
And then there is the martial arts armas learned in the military... again modern human weapon based

important note: Before trying to teach the goblins things that are not strictly a "modern human weapon" but merely periphery to it (aka, martial arts based on the use of said weapons) we should first clear the prospect with the sometimes merchant. We cannot risk accidentally breaking our word... Perhaps we should arrange special training sessions where we present new subjects for them to approve / disapprove.

Hmm, do you remember when our caged one fragment met Lenryt and was terrified?
One must ask what he saw.

This brought me back to a few key concepts
-The caged one is asleep
-hence all the caged one fragments we see must be, to an extent, dream projections.
-When Ulzrick saw Bang with ~DREAM VISION~ he saw a writhing mass of tentacles and chaos, to an extent, Bang's inner form.

This leads me to believe that The fragment saw Lenryts true form, in all her horrible glory. No facades, none of her masks we always see, but her true form.

Of course I could be going about this in a roundabout way because it is totlly plausable that planet eaters can normally see true forms anyway, but It sort of clicked in my head so I thought I would mention it.


If true, this brings up several interesting options for interacting with the caged one.

Also it would be fun to visit his dream, and find out what it actually is. If his dream truely is the planet.

Also it would bring up interesting options for world-dream magic combos. I figure that as long as you understand what the caged one is and that it is asleep, you can pull some real shenanigans.

[01:23] <TMIoverloadaway> Maybe we stole the condoms from Helmi or Einrik
[01:23] <The_Falcon> why would they have them
[01:23] <TheBeardiestBob> INCEST, why not

WELL. THIS FAMILY JUST GOT A WHOLE LOT MORE INTERESTING.

>>350868
I would like to remind you how their reproduction worked.
Valkonen is the main family. There are 3 branch families (or rather, WERE, they are gone now). Those born without magic go into branch families, branch families breed with strong outsiders. Main family marries only powerful individuals within the branch families.

Although you are right, family did just get a more interesting with that revelation... especially considering that before we were limited to "head strongly disapproves of premarital sex"... Actually that would totally explain the condoms. No pregnancy, no evidence.

Also.. wrong thread. This is golemquest discussion.
GFH has its own questdis here >>347115

Hmm, to claim more cores for the Eden network, Mordre probably needs to insert the spawn of Yamanatos and then Ridfanre into the core. Due to their nature I think they would have unique use spawn like Bobobo. It might take a pristine soul, though, to restructure the core into an heaven until Mordre gains competency in soul magic.

He could likely do the same thing with Timmy too. Timmy is already restructured into a heaven by Lu Bu, so it would probably be easier.

>>55714
Sorry buddy, GQ has been on haitus for a long time.

>>101257
ARE YOU SERIOUS

Was that a 4 year bump? Wow.