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86899 No. 86899 ID: defceb

Since it's been running for like what, a week now? I figure it's a good time to make a discussion thread.

Comments? Thoughts? Criticisms? I'd love to hear what you all think.
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No. 93945 ID: e114bc

Well just straight up parsing it as base 3 doesn't help.
That gives the first line as
39 4 9 4 13 39 37 39 13
where 9 is the 8-bit number. At this point I can already tell this doesn't match up with anything so I'm not going to bother continuing.
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No. 93946 ID: e85915

>>93945
Shift -1, reverse it?
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No. 93953 ID: e114bc

>>93946
It doesn't translate to meaningful letters (at least not yet) so you can't do that. I can get some letters out of it by adding 64 to each number and tossing that in a simple converter but the letters don't spell anything. Also they're in mixed case, which is a red flag.
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No. 93980 ID: 04690f

>>93953
perhaps some interaction with the 8 bit ones instead of translating them? adding them before/after the base 3 conversion or after a base 2 conversion maybe? xor? I'm grasping at straws here
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No. 94014 ID: 98f925

>>93850
Wait, sorry how is it formatted to be on 4 lines?
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No. 94016 ID: ab7529

>>94014
If you copy / paste the original message, it comes out in four lines. There's only that many carriage returns.

The board does this auto-formatting thing where it decides how wide the box around a given post needs to be. And since it decided on a width that's not long enough for the first line, it gets text wrapped into two.
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No. 94023 ID: 98f925

Can't figure this out at all.
Thought the base 3-ness would relate to 9 in some way but chopping it up just gives bad numbers and remainders in whatever base you do it in.
Even tried ignoring the 9-ness and just converted the numbers into ternary, just comes out as jibberish.

Whats up with the hint, btw?
A crow (alien?) singing about:
Three for the lies you sold and bought
Three for the holes to stop your heart
Three last gasps of failing breath
Three cold claws gripped by death
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No. 94028 ID: 98f925

>>94023
Aside from hinting to 3s I mean
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No. 94045 ID: fe8549

This structure is so crude and grating
Tune strange and unaccommodating
Everything all switched around
Scarcely enough to make a sound
A cruel mistake to walk that path

00|00011 000|||00 0||0110 00||0110 0|011011 00||0011 00|0110| 0|011011 0||0110 0000|||0 000||000 |011110 00|011|0 0|011011 000|0|11 0||01111 000||0|0 000|0|11 000||0|| 000||000 00|0|11| 0|01100 00|0|11| 0||01111 0|011011 000|0|11 00|||011 00||0110 00|0|11| 0||01111 0|011|11
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No. 94051 ID: e114bc

>>94045
Are those all supposed to be 8 characters long? Some of them are 7. I know last hint there were some padding mistakes, is that the case here?
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No. 94053 ID: e114bc

>>94045
...anyway the poem implies that the digits are mixed up in some way, which means this is legitimately encrypted and I'm NOT going to try to decode it.
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No. 94061 ID: ab7529

The/cor/vid/sings/no/harsh/er/note (8)
A/song/of/woe/and/waste/ful/rote (8)
Three/for/the/lies/you/sold/and/bought (8)
Three/for/the/holes/to/stop/your/heart (8)
Three/last/gasps/of/fail/ing/(bre/ath) (8*)

This/struc/ture/is/so/crude/and/gra/ting (9)
Tune/strange/and/un/a/ccom/mo/dat/ing (9)
Ev/(er/y)/thing/all/switch/ed/a/round (9*)
(Scar/ce)/ly/e/nough/to/make/a/sound (9*)
A/(cru/el)/mis/take/to/walk/that/path (9*)

Each poem appears to have 8 or 9 beats per line, though you have to adopt a sort of breathy exaggerated pronunciation to do it. ("bre-eth" instead of "breth", "ev-er-i" instead of "ev-ree", "scare-seh-lee" instead of "skairs-lee", "ka-rule" instead of "krool").

(If you don't take that liberty, they go 8/8/8/8/7 and 9/9/8/8/8).

I want to guess that means one hint is intended to be relevant to the 8-bit words and one to the 9-bit words, but I'm not sure how to proceed from there.
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No. 94062 ID: defceb

Okay, so. This has gotten a little out of hand and tbh Chebec even I'm getting confused signals from those poems.

So let's skip the first step.

120-2-100-2-12-210-201-120-12
200-12-112-10-210
201-201-1-201-120-201
111.


I this will be slightly less head-grindy.
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No. 94064 ID: e114bc

>>94062
...
The only pattern I see to reproduce those results does not hold up in every case. I disapprove.

Anyway, now they translate cleanly into 1-26, but it's still not at a stage where it's a simple substitution cipher, even reversed, because of that third line. Unless it's in a foreign language? In that case we'd need some sort of hint as to which foreign language it is. It's certainly not a caesarian shift this time, that's for sure.

For convenience, here's the alphabetical translation of that:
OBIBLUSOE
RENCU
SSASOS
M

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No. 94065 ID: ab7529

>>94062
So... for those of us who were banging our head against it, what was the first step?
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No. 94066 ID: e114bc

>>94065
It looks like you're supposed to merge the adjacent 1s in the 9-length strings, while leaving the 8-length strings as they are. The problem I'm having is that 000001110 corresponds to both 120 and 210, for no apparent reason. It's like it's an arbitrary decision which way to merge it.

I took what Apollo gave us and converted it from base 3 to base 10, and matched that to the alphabet. However, it's almost exactly the same as treating each string as its own symbol.

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No. 94070 ID: ab7529

>merge the adjacent 1s in the 9-length strings
...yeah, I'm not sure what informs you if 000001110 should go to 120 or 210. Also not sure why we don't have similar variability with 000000111 (always 12, never 21). Or what makes 000001111 go 112 and not 211. (Nor 22- I guess we only get one merge max per word?).

If a single sequence has multiple translations, then it must depend on something like adjacent words / bits, or the word's position in the line (relative to start, or to the 8-bit word?) that tells you which to use?

Hmm. Actually, it alternates. The first time 000001110 appears, it translates to 120, the next as 210, the next as 120, etc. (Although who knows how a translator would know which to start with, even if they knew to alternate).

Geeze, given the solution (to a step at least), and still no idea how it works.
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No. 94073 ID: ab7529

>>94064
I think you might be off by a letter. Translating from base 3 to decimal I got
15 2 9 2 5 21 19 15 5
18 5 14 3 21
19 19 1 19 15 19
13


Which then substituting for letters is:
OBIBEUSOE
RENCU
SSASOS
M


Played with that a bit, haven't got anything useful yet, though.
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No. 94075 ID: e114bc

>>94073
Oops, yeah, I didn't convert the 12 at all for some reason.
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No. 94077 ID: 225f37

>>94073
I GOT IT

I WAS BASICALLY TRYING DECODERS AT RANDOM BUT I GOT IT

METHOD:
OBIBEUSOE
RENCU
SSASOS
M

Turn newlines into spaces: OBIBEUSOE RENCU SSASOS M

Start with the first letter, skip 4, next letter, skip 4, including spaces, rotate back to start when you hit the end.


Or be lazy and just use this: http://rumkin.com/tools/cipher/skip.php

ANSWER: OUR OBSESSIONS BECAME US
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No. 94080 ID: e114bc

>>94077
Congrats. Well, like I was saying... that's basically a real encryption method. It's used in the Kryptos statue for chrissakes.
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No. 94083 ID: f8ef76

>>94077
well that was anti-climatic
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No. 94091 ID: ab7529

>>94077
I am laughing my ass off cause I was inserting text into decoders at random on that exact site myself for a while there.

Good on you for finding the solution.
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No. 94325 ID: 6b52eb
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94325

>> 94077
>we just solved a legitimate cryptography problem

srsly tho well done, do we know how the first bit works now?

Also message has implications for final result of the setting.
This is blatantly taking place inside the crazed immortal mind of the main character in the far future.
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No. 94326 ID: 5a02f7

>>94325

What would a past be if you couldn't remember it? Would it be interrupted by static as new memories came to light? Would the present-past then be changed by this new evidence? Would all the various bits and pieces of your psyche chide you for forgetting everything so long? Would your paranoia take a physical form to torment you? Would all of the lost regrets and people you couldn't save appear before you, almost like a taunting second chance?

I'd say so.

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No. 94368 ID: defceb
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94368

doodle doodle doodle

*re-upping with minor edit
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No. 94370 ID: 5a02f7

>>94368

Wings? Fuck those. You know what we need? SPACESHIPS.

These guys are hardcore.
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No. 94414 ID: ea0ad9

>>94368
Y'know, Red Giant had Luminoth Alexandrius Falt, now you're throwing some Chozo Peeps into Rollback? Are you just trying to be Metroidy now, or was that just coincidence?
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No. 94420 ID: e114bc

>>94414
The space peeps were introduced a while back.
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No. 94436 ID: e114bc

I thiiiiiiink we might be the AI psychologist, this is Marie's inner world, and we're trying to sort out the various issues she has that were caused by digital cannibalism that the cyborgs seem to resort to. Perhaps it's due to the memory leak- they eat the neural nets of other cyborgs in order to claim more memories? The consumed neural nets might be the redeye cyborgs we've encountered. Some are more lucid than others, which means that some of them were consumed with less loss.
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No. 94438 ID: defceb
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94438

>>94414
110% canon reply
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No. 95411 ID: 59ae77
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95411

Fixed this >>/quest/675727
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No. 95413 ID: 59ae77
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95413

And here's >>/quest/675723

Slightly messier, cause the column pixel width wasn't completely constant (sometimes they seemed to bleed to the left onto the next column, not sure if that was deliberate, or just an artifact of the chopping up). I could go through with the pencil tool and fix the scanlines that produced when unscrambling, but nope, don't feel like it.
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No. 95436 ID: c121d3

theres so much that must've been forgotten

this thread is freaking me out a little, i can't tell when the plot's gonna end.

is that a black hole at >>/quest/675562 ?
is it a worm hole? how did we get a worm hole when we're nowhere near there technologically?
how far ahead is this being viewed from?

we fell in love and forgot about it? >>/quest/675723

when we're yelling to not be fixed, theres dust objects, how long have we lived?
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No. 95437 ID: 59ae77

>when we're yelling to not be fixed, theres dust objects, how long have we lived?
Well, in this flashback, we see Alex >>/quest/672807

That puts Marie's lifespan on the order of 5 billion years, at least, since the sun's already a red giant (title drop) in his time.
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No. 95465 ID: f56624
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95465

>>/quest/676216
VWOOP VWOOP VWOOP VWOOP VWOOP
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No. 95863 ID: defceb
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95863

Recently I found an old sketchbook of mine that has all the doodled of Rollback before I started it. I asked peeps on IRC if they wanted to see my shameful scribbles and they said yes so HERE WE GO.

This is the first drawing of Marie and what would later become Red Eye side by side. My early idea for the character was drastically different from what made it into the quest. They had a different general helmet design, were 10 feet tall, and weren't an antagonist at first. I ended up splitting their character into two different people, but I can't go into detail about that without getting into spoiler territory.

I also realized it was a weird idea when I asked myself; how do they get through normal people sized doors?
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No. 95864 ID: defceb
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95864

First draft of what would later become Red Eye's helmet, with a scribble I added in now for comparison. I wanted the helmet to be a really complicated smorgasbord of machinery, but ended up simplifying it to the spooky silhouette we now know in-quest. I realized as cool as it might look, I'd rather be able to update at a nice pace instead.
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No. 95866 ID: defceb
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95866

Hi Haley! Some redacted text here too. Her glasses were so much smaller back then.

Fun facts, in the first draft Haley:
-was a cannibal
-would end up going insane and chase Marie with a chainsaw
-took a LOT of drugs
-like a LOT
-ALL THE TIME

I ended up downplaying the drugs part and cut out the chainsaw segment.
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No. 95868 ID: defceb
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95868

Here's where I started to home in on where I wanted Red Eye to look in-quest. Also first draft of Morgan and Blue. Morgan probably went through the most character changes during this time, going from a punk kid to a corporate spy to a number of other things until he hit where he is now.

Also there's Haley with the chainsaw I was talking about earlier.
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No. 95869 ID: defceb
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95869

Another early Marie drawing. Still hadn't figured out quite what I wanted to do with her hair or silhouette yet, but I had a decent idea of her starting outfit.
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No. 95870 ID: defceb
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95870

More of Morgan, Haley, and Marie. I really struggled with trying to nail some kind anatomy down to this really cartoony level. I'm still awful at it too, I think.
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No. 95872 ID: defceb
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95872

First draft of Roderick and Jeannine. I ended up reusing some clothing elements for Jeannine in one pic, but besides that pretty much none of these sketches went on.

That's all for now! I hope you've enjoying seeing my shameful display of old art.
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No. 95873 ID: f56624

>>95866
>implying she's still a cannibal
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No. 95900 ID: a107fd

>>95873
That, ah, might possibly help explain the spontaneous bleeding. Lots of weird, horrible diseases a person can catch that way.
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No. 95906 ID: 5ad4a7
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95906

I evened out the levels a bit on the most recent spook image.
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No. 96130 ID: defceb

For the people who don't hang out on IRC:

I've made an important addition to the wiki page. Now we all know what everyone's Dungeoneer VN otps are. It's all canon.
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No. 99671 ID: cbc9e6

Okay, asking the important question. Which syllable in "Marie" is stressed? Because I've been reading it French-like ("ma-RIE") since the beginning and it'd be really embarassing to realize I've been misspelling it all along.
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No. 99716 ID: defceb

>>99671
Marie'd pronounce her own name in more of a Brazilian Portuguese fashion. It'd sound more like 'Mah-re', with a as in father and the e as in yes.
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No. 99719 ID: 35151f
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99719

>>99716
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