Okay, so, metals work pretty much like normal, with a couple exceptions.

Steel is referred to as Base Steel.

Blue Steel: forged with inbuilt Regenerative magicks infused into the metal as it is shaped. More durable than normal steel, keeps sharp longer than normal, and cannot rust. Makes excellent long term armor for any terrain.

Red Steel: forged with inbuilt Destructive magicks that let ever cut it makes be magically widened, such that even a small cut could end up a grievous injury. Causes sharp, vibrating tremors when forged into blunt weaponry. Can destroy Blue Steel with relative ease, but when faced against other Red Steel, will start to warp and wear so long as it is forced to clash against something of it's own nature. Can make armor that magically rusts Blue Steel or below quality metals upon contact. Starts to deteriorate if attacked with Red Steel (said weapons will suffer likewise). Prohibitively expensive, not seen in any mass production form.

Rune Steel:
Blue Steel with Runes inscribed into them during a second forging: The effects vary from rune to rune, so while some examples of Rune Steel may be nearly indiscernible from Blue Steel, some examples will have powerful magical enhancements. Price of manufacture varies in proportion with the quality of the rune used. Red Steel cannot be inscribed with runes.

Black Steel: Invention of the now fallen Mosmordren Empire, Steel with augmentive magicks forcibly infused into it by spilling the blood of those actively harvested for Soul Grave fuel onto the Base Steel while it is forged atop enchanted anvils, the souls of thousands ground to dust during their forging to give them a strong connection with death. Now the metal is poison, causing wounds inflicted to rot, and being impossible to wield for long without starting to decay. Only Soul Graves, the golems the metal was forged for, are safe to possess it without harm, as the blood in the metal forms a symbiotic connection with the souls and dark magicks that animate a Soul Grave. The metal is conventionally unbreakable, and causes non-soul/blood fueled magicks cast in the immediate vicinity to be weakened, sometimes outright negated, depending on proximity, the strength of the mage, and the amount of Black Steel present.

Ok, so, Magic:

Magic is a relatively rare, costly and difficult to master line of talent within the setting.

Magic needs a feul source, and a type.

The Fuel Sources are, in order of relative average power:
Soul
Blood
Will
World
Word

The types of magic are:
Destructive
Regenerative
Augmentive

The types are straightforward: Destructive is causing damage/decay to something or otherwise causing something to wear down more quickly than it would naturally, Regenerative is repairing or reinforcing existing things, and Augmentive is adding new traits to something that already exists.

The sources are a little more involved.

Soul, be it the caster's own or those of the dead, is the most powerful magic fuel type, and it alongside Blood Magic were the mainstays of the Mosmordren empire, and were the source of much of their power. After their fall, Soul magic became a capital crime under any circumstance to practice.

Blood is less potent than Soul, but still a far cry above what one can usually expect out of Will. Blood requires a much larger amount of fuel for the same purpose as Soul does, and as such there are no blood mages who use their own blood exclusively (or at least they have very brief careers). Blood magic requires a special permit to be practice without being arrested and potentially executed. The permits can be notoriously difficult to obtain.

Will is the act of forcing magic to occur through the order and strength of one's thoughts. Will mages tire much more quickly than any other mage, and are more prone to burn out than most thanks to how easy it is for them to exceed their safe limits. Mages that become adept at Will magic can expect to be held in high demand and esteem for their prowess.

World is drawing power from the world around the caster, be it from a forest, an ancient mountain, a desert oasis or one of the planet's leylines, there are few accomplished mages that practice World alone, as there are many dead zones around the world where there are no ready sources. Knowledge of World magic usually indicates a laymen learner of magic has started to gain some decent knowledge of the mechanics of magic itself, and may be hired as an adviser or their word given more weight than a simple amateur.

Word is the known tonal combinations that can cause minor magics to occur, such as sparking a fire, snuffing a candle or moving a couple pounds of material about. Most anyone can attempt to learn these, and learning these spells are the firsts steps any would-be mage takes in most cases.

Learning any new magic both requires some source of knowledge from which to learn the spell in question, and the requisite amount of time for the individual to grasp the spell or magical theory in question through practice and study, varying in length by learner. The more advanced magics are harder to learn, and very few have the dedication and the means to become Grand Mages, those recognized in all lands as having master of magic, and because of this, it is no wonder there are less than 100 Grand Mages or better (Such as the Grand Elder Mages, those who command the greatest of power, influence and knowledge)

Hm. There any specific questions, about the setting or anything?

I have question. There's been extremely little information provided about the shoulder-mortars. All we know is that they are "powerful" and "mid-range", and are loaded with one shot for immediate firing.

That leaves a lot unknown. What kind of ammunition do they fire? Is it designed for anti-personnel use (fragmentation rounds) or anti-fortification purposes (high explosive) or other (some sort of magical round)?

How does the mortar fire? Magnetic propulsion, black powder, magical means or something else?

What does 'mid-range' mean?

How are the mortars targeted? Line of sight, or is indirect fire possible? And for that matter, how accurate are they? Does accuracy decrease with range?

Do we have more ammo? Do we need to find ammo or are the rounds magically generated/created from consumed metal? If not, what is the likeliness of finding more? If so, can we customize the type of rounds we create? How long does ammo creation take/how much metal does it consume? Can we magically charge rounds by infusing them with souls?


If you can't answer any of these questions because we wouldn't know the answers in game, that's fine. Just whatever info you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

>>316671
The mortars are 'mid-range' in that they can fire their charge at any range from thirty to two hundred feet with significant accuracy.

They fire slugs formed within the barrels when empty as you feed, that are designed with special stress points so that on impact they break in hundreds of metal slivers that radiate outward at high speed. The ball is approximately the size of a honeydew, for size reference. Spread of slivers is some fifty foot radius, but they stop hitting much once they have spread past thirty feet. Anything within twenty feet without HEAVY armor will be severely injured if not outright killed. Your load-out is specialized in anti-infantry, although it could be changed if you learned of alternate settings.

The Mortars fire by pressurizing a bit of ambient Soulfire that gathers around you by means of your method of function, along with a magically derived magnetic burst that throws and primes the projectile.


Mortars can be fired wherever Mordre desires, he simply has to choose a location to propel them towards. Part of the magicks that make Soul Grave's such potent weapons of war are several algebraic and geometric spell equations in-built to their function.

Rounds are regenerated in about two hours with enough food. Each round requires 5 pounds of metal.


further questions?

>>316674
Excellent, thanks. One last mortar-specific question and then I'll think of others later: Can rounds be generated in advance and stored somewhere, like if we created some sort of storage compartment?

I can't see why not, but figure it's better to make sure in advance in case it ever comes up.

>>316677
No. They stay anchored to your body within the mortar cannons until used, as their form needs to be properly secured so that each missile able to split completely into shards on impact.

If other rounds that did not require such bracing were learned of, they might be able to be prepared in advance.

>>316679
Ah, alright thanks. That's good to know.

I'll probably have more questions later.

>>316679
Hurm. Why am I thinking of merging the two cannons into a single high-caliber super-mortar, with a huge revolver chamber so as to properly brace them and prepare multiple in advance? Like, his waist and some of his chest, as well as that area of the back, becoming a huge spinning storage compartment that braces the 'bullets', with a central shaft for it to rotate on...

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>>316694
pic related for clarification.The spinner area should lock while the golem is moving, and while firing. Furthermore, specific special mortars may be loaded in each canister, allowing for, say, if discovered, a fireball shell, a 'slug' cannonball, and four normal shots to be loaded, and switched between at a moment's notice.

>>316695
>not loaded, grown

>>316695
I have a feeling there's probably something important in the part you want to put mechanisms and stuff in. Even if not, such a design will greatly decrease maneuverability, and long-range capability is hardly our top priority.

>>316695
>>316695
You would need to understand the mechanics behind revolvers or otherwise repeating weapons first. Only the desert kingdoms to the south and a few of the island nations that trade with them hold such things.

And mounting it on the back like that would greatly increase range, but push the minimum range that it can be fired WAY out.

But pretty much, anything you find and consume can be used to try and reshape yourself.

>>316731
I think the idea was that he would get on his hands and knees to fire, thus making it direct fire rather than arcing.

>>316740
Hmm. That could work, I guess.

That's the general idea, yes. Or we could do a miniature roundabout for each shoulder, maybe for two each. The idea is to maximize how many we can launch, and versatility of our cannons.

>>316720
Who says this is what WE will use? Certainly we will liberate our colleagues.
Not to mention keeping several designs in mind for several occasions.

I've got several other ideas. This one, for instance, is a gate defender sort of dealie, who spins his entire upper body at high speed. Once doing so, some of the weight from the heavily armored and armed upper body is negated due to the weight not pulling down but out. Once spinning, he becomes more manueverable.

>>316731
Assuming we can get our huge hands on such things, could Mordre intuitively understand them?

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>>316771
imagederp

>>316771
>Certainly we will liberate our colleagues.
That seems to me like a rather bad idea. We were not subjugated by magic. Who's to say that other golems would not be the same?

Also, your grasp on how spinning works is flawed. He would become less maneuverable, not more. He would still have downward force to contend with, he would merely have even stronger centrifugal force to deal with as well.

Potential use for that design is next to none.

>>316775
Bah. Not everything is a winner.

-CLAY:
The first type of golem ever made, a basic form has been perfected in efficiency of craft that nearly every town has, a seven foot tall, seven hundred pound vague, rotund humanoid shape. Other designs are seen as well, but none are nearly as easy to make, and are thus rarer. Clay golems are made with clay from dead volcanoes and crystals from live volcanoes, upon which control runes are inscribed. The runes for the default clay golem are readily known, though access to the materials needed is not.


-STONE:
Vary in size, shaping and purpose greatly, as they are crafted almost exclusively with World magic, by drawing on the power of mountains or rock quarries (preferably over leylines for best results) to imbue stone with life. Not frequently used in warfare, as the time and energy required to craft even relatively simple ones is not worth the relative ease most common stone golems can be shattered with.

-WOOD: crafted with World magic in ancient forests (also benefiting from from being over leylines), wood golems can be made relatively easily out of any tree and at great speed if necessary, but different trees make different golems, and the time spent shaping the golem impacts the quality. They cannot have runes inscribed on them, and can be burned fairly easily.

-LIFE:
Life Golems are made with Blood Magic, and are the grafting of traits onto a base living form to create a new species that can be controlled as a sapient slave. Morgrens are examples of this. Approval from the local government is required to make life golems, and learning Blood Magic is rare on it's own, so very few Life Golems have been made since the fall of the Mosmordren Empire.

-METAL:
The only golems forged of metal, Soul Graves were the invention of the Mosmordren Empire, and their greatest military strength. Can only be forged with Soul and Blood Magic, and the souls of many fresh dead are needed to power the golems. Nonetheless, their power is considered vastly superior to most other mid-to-large production model golem.

MORGREN:
Morgren are a Life Golem species crafted by the Mosmordren Empire as shock troops, and they were bred and molded to be violent and powerful, vicious fighters. Made from a base Premen (The great, hairy and freakishly strong barbarians to the north. They have little civilization.) augmented with Gorilla, Tiger and Rhinoceros, they are eight to ten feet tall, have some seven hundred to twelve hundred pounds of slabs of ropey muscle, have patches of thick, pelt-like hair on their shoulders, forearms and pelvis, and have rough, pebbly skin, their hide tougher than good leather armor. Their jaws are massive and ludicrously overdeveloped, with viscous fangs and a horn protruding from their forehead, their necks and spines heavily reinforced.

They have formed a strange, perpetually warring set of Clans since the fall of the empire of their masters, and now fight both each other and everyone they find, pillaging and raiding as they go, only submitting to those they deem stronger.

Above the variants of magically infused steel, there are two metals rarer than all others that are seen on occasion.

Necronostrium:
Called 'Death Metal' or 'The Reaper's Steel', Necronostrium was invented and crafted in small amounts by the Mosmordren empire during the height of it's power. A collection of powerful magics allowed the metal to make edge implements of unparalleled viciousness, even the smallest wound made with such a materiel magically being enhanced until even a shallow cut could be a dire injury. Further, wounds will fester, rot and reject the power of leylines flowing in the area, causing agony and some mutation to those struck. The wounds are unable to be treated, magically or otherwise, until the wounded has been exposed to the light of dawn. This metal can claim dominion over all earthly materials, able to cleave a path through any conventional defense. It's forging process was lost with the fall of Mosmordre.

Lortoxite:
A.K.A. Starmetal, A.K.A. The Blessings of Lortox, the patron deity of the asteroid ring around the planet Zakrath. Lortoxite (conventionally, a predominantly Tungsten-Carbide alloy) falls from the asteroid ring as blazing meteors. If the fallen metal is sufficiently heated and infused with enough magic, it can be forged into unbreakable equipment, making particularly effective instruments of combat, as the power of the reforged meteors gives otherworldly impact to blows. Conversely, armor made out of Lortoxite has the capacity to absorb and nullify tremendous impacts delivered to the wearer, in correlation with the amount of Lortoxite-forged armor they were and what hit them. The drawback is that any piece of Lortoxite can only be forged ONCE, and once shaped into a knife, hammer or helmet, it will forever hold that form. Some astronomers make significant wealth, predicting the fall of new pieces of Lortoxite.

So do the Soul Graves work more like Sheild Gaurdians, then?

>>316809
In terms of ownership, I mean.

>>316809
>>316810
They are designed to be....

Think of them like computers. Given a problem, they can solve it. But they need to be given direction on what to do.

So, once an owner dies, if there is no one else listed as next in line to be master (such as in a military setting), the golem goes inactive. It must then be awoken to bind it to a new owner. In theory anyone could do this, but the tools needed to activate golems are rare and expensive, especially for Soul Graves.

That does not stop people from selling dubious knock-offs and fakes to unwitting and desperate individuals, though....

>>316811
Wait, then how is Mordre active?

Something odd is going on...

>>316837
I'm guessing an overly powerful soul has taken the helm somehow, or possibly several, to represent the many voices of /tg/.

Questions: Do we know the various metals do when we consume them? Can we consume blue steel, or red steel, or Necronostrium? How does one golem consume another?

>>317151
Soul Graves innately can identify most metals when they come into contact with them. As to the enchanted metals, if a Soul Grave had a big block of Red Steel, or Necronostrium, they could consume it (even if they were made of bronze, the enchantments in Soul Graves let them eat any metal) and convert themselves into the material, without issue.

However, to be able to eat another Soul Grave, a Soul Grave must either have an overwhelmingly larger amount of souls in their possession, or render the other Soul Grave inoperative before attempting to consume it.

Hope that cleared that up.

>>317183
we must collect tens of thousands of souls

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>>317183
So if we were to face a heavily armored but slow enemy... eating their armor off of them would be a viable tactic?

Repeating the question here, because I can't remember if it was mentioned, but is Arkus male or female?

>>317192
Yes, so long as they are not a Soul Grave, in which case, the consumer must either have a much larger reservoir of souls, or have rendered their meal to be inactive.

>>317193
Arkus is male.

Thank you. Arkus is rather ambigious, and I want to visualize just what little fleshling we're carrying with us.

>>317183
And, from this, I know that Black Steel we could use to upgrade ourselves. How would using divine metals effect upgrades?

And, actually, more important question: Will the metal we consume override upgrades? Say we only consume bronze, despite our iron body and black steel fist: Will our fists go back to bronze?

>>317208
The type of metal a given body part of a Soul Grave is made out of will not effect the runes already inscribed, with one exception: Any body part molded into Lortoxite by consuming asteroids and forging them while channeling the metal to a given body part, will not be able to be inscribed with new runes thereafter (unbreakable, can't be changed, etc.) Otherwise, ust eat a sufficient amount of metal and have enough time, and BAM, you altered Mordre's composition.
>>317209
Metal consumed for sustenance normally hasno effect on one's composition, with the exception of metals eaten to aid recovery from having lost large chunks of metal (like an arm or leg) will be the basis of the newly crafted limb.

So say Mordre is made entirely out of Black Steel, someone manages to de-arm him, and he eats a bunch of bronze. He will reform the arm, but it will be bronze, and any enchantments exclusive to the lost arm are gone.


Granted, if you can reclaim lost limbs, you can graft them back into place, and everything will be like normal.

I hope that answers your questions. Any other questions?

Ok, so if we never loose a limb or such, and keep eating bronze, it won't change our compision? Awesome.

Ok two questions: Can we eat Lortoxite that has already been formed into another obeject? And the Preman hero is Zodd. Are we gonna have Griff pop up any time soon? EvilQuest or actual Berzerk, just wondering how worried we should be.

>>317372
He's probably just using Zodd's picture. Real Zodd doesn't fight like he did.

What can a prestine soul be used for? And, if that's too vague, what would happen if we spent a pristine soul on say, jump or fighting or eating metal,or using our soulfire?

>>317372
Any Lortoxite that has been forged and shaped into something, be it sword, shield, etc, will be unconsumable. Only fresh Lortoxite chunks can be eaten under most circumstances. This would mean a Soul Grave made entirely out of Lortoxite would be conventionally invulnerable, except to magics designed to effect is Soulfires that sustain it, or otherwise bypass it's form's durability.
>>317373
Shot is correct, I used Zodd's pictures as reference. Lorgk is not Zodd.
>>317411
Any action Mordre takes can have a Pristine soul used on it, and here are some examples.

If used on a breath of Soulfire:
Would greatly increase size and spread of flames, and cause the flames to burn hotly enough that Soul Graves could start to melt and soften within the inferno produced.

If used in fighting, it could be used to drastically boost general performance for a few seconds, or could be applied to a singular attack to radically multiply it's potency.

If a Pristine Soul were used when eating metal, Mordre would be able to consume worked Lortoxite for a short time (only long enough to eat a couple hundred pounds at most per Pristine Soul used) Similarly, it could be used to allow a consumed metal to permeate your body much more thoroughly than normal (eat a siege fist sized chunk of Blue Steel, whole body could be converted).

Pristine Souls are highly situational, but always beneficial when used.


Any more questions?

What if we use one while 'coming up with a plan'?

>>317423
Depends on the complexity of the plan. Figuring out how to get past another Soul Grave's defenses, fine.

Plotting the assassination of a king, not so much, unless the plan was for you yourself to do the act.

Hope that clears that up.

How about we use one in the "Getting-Arkus-Kill-Yeti-happily-ever-after" plan.

>>317450
We can come up with something on our own, dude. Lets save our Pristine soul in case we need it later. Who knows when we'll get another?

We'll get another one the next time I go Conan. lol.

In any case your right, we should'nt use it unless the situation is truly desperate.

So, let me see if I'm getting this right. Pristine Souls are Deus Ex Machina in a jar. That is, we can use them to pretty do our work for us; Mordre will come up with the plan that the OP wanted us to come up with on his own, or he will succeed at a task normally impossible.

So, portable Railroad/Deus Ex Machina. Just add water. Right?

I have a feeling this Pristine Soul will be used to make Arkus not dead. Which would mean we have to use it before his death is confirmed, presumably.

>>317462
Not.... really. It just means you perform better at a given task.

A sufficiently daunting challenge will still be challenging, just not as challenging. More like an 'EASY MODE' button that applies to only one thing per use, and can't stay active for long, if you want to put in in general terms. But applying EASY MODE to a nigh-impossible task will not, by any means, guarantee success, only improved odds from before.

And as to being used for plans, the Pristine Soul will only effect how well Mordre can plan his own part in a given event. It will not give him insight on what others will do/outside forces that will impact the plan, unless he already knows them.

Not really sure if that clarifies anything, but that is how Pristine Souls are supposed to work.

>>317464
Can't... really be done. You have no means to make someone resurrect or anything related to that, and so you have nothing to apply a Pristine Soul to for the purposes of resurrection.

>>317467
Exactly.

We need to use the soul to SAVE ARKUS. Before he dies.

Just a thought. When we rescue Arkus, it's entirely possible that he'll no longer fear us due to how much we apparently risked to save him. Building on this fact we might be able to convert him into someone of a fanatic to your cause, or a friend. Whichever TG wishes. The former if we go for a more militaristic roleplay, the latter if we go "Hug Arkus Read Runes" style.

>>317471
The way we were going, I think he's pretty much used to us.

>>317483
I'm going more for a fanatic cause. Right now, he's still kinda in a subservient tone. A bit more of what we did back when Arkus was working on that deathmask's runes, encouragement and all that, may cause him to see us as more of a friend. Alternatively we can try to inspire militaristic loyalty to him. Either way, we need to make him feel like an equal without actually making him one.

OK I need some clarification. Is the world magic spirit going to help us in any way, or is it just going to observe and take over if it deems us useless?

>>317726
It could address you if it chose to, or you could address it and attempt to cause a conversation.

Whether the spirit responds, let alone helps you, is based entirely on the individual event.

I have one more question regarding Pristine souls:

You've described mainly how they can be used to boost performance and attacks and skills.

What about defenses? Could we use a pristine soul to, say, help resist a Soul magic spell thats about to drain us dry? Or soak a hit from a soul grave anti-golem cannon?

>>318192
Depends. If you have anything that can resist magic on you (as in part of your form, like the Black Steel claws), then the Pristine Soul can be applied to that to amplify it's effects.

Granted, Black Steel does not disrupt Soul or Blood based magic, so it would still be ineffective against such magic.

Further, if Mordre is bombarded with artillery fire or something of that nature, the Pristine Soul could be channeled into his body to reinforce it for a short period. However, this would be much less effective than applying the Pristine Soul to some form of defensive enchantment to boost it's performance for the same time period.

So yeah, if anyone wants to create specific spells that can be used in the setting (preferably with a specification of what kinds of magic fuel is used, and what other conditions are necessary, if any)

Or, if you have any specific questions about how the setting works, shoot them out, I'll answer them as best I can.

Questions!
1. What powers do we, Mordre, have on hand? I sometimes get confused as to what powers we have and what they do. If they could be collated down to a stat sheet, that would be helpful.

2. How could we make spells? I mean, in-game. We're a bit punch happy and I can't remember you saying anything about Mordre being able to cast spells.

3. I know you've done this before, but what is the make up of the various nations? Power structures, social political makeup, economics, anything intresting about the various nations we are going to tromp over and conqure. I mean I'd like to know they look like before we go and turn them into a batter collection of city states and then absorbe them into our vast empire.

Spells!

1. Can we make a 'Find Arkus' spell?

2. Can we make a bog standard 'Fireball' spell?

3. Can we make a lower level 'distant lighter' spell? A spell that makes a small flame at a distance - possibly within visable range.

4. Can we make a 'Kill God Damn Zombie' or a 'Turn God Damn Zombie Back Into Useful Person' spell?

Comments!

1. Seriously, Arkus better not be dead. I will be very upset if they're not.

Comments!

2. *cough* They are. Not 'they're not'.

As of this Moment, Mordre has the following abilities/powers:

Soulfire:
At the cost of three souls, creates a penultimate fire, able to burn stone, water, metal, anything but a Soul Grave can be reduced to ash by this conflagration. However, there is a limit to how long the flames will persist, and as the souls used to fuel them are used up, the flames will dissipate. Approx. lifespan of flames: 30 seconds

Soul Nexus, Left Hand:
-ACCELLERATOR: When activated, anything that comes into contact with Mordre's hand will, upon losing contact, have it's velocity greatly amplified. This can lead to thrown objects achieving incredible speeds, as well as other potential applications.
-FANG TAKER: When activated, a ghostly skull of gigantic proportions will manifest through Mordre's hand, and phases through inorganic matter while rending living tissue with spectral fangs. Can venture up to three feet from Mordre's hand.

Amaranthine Annihilator:
Passively builds a charge by drawing power from Mordre's body movement. All collected charge is then stored, until such point the Amaranthine Annihilator is activated. At this juncture, all charge is expended, creating a beam with strength in proportion to the amount of charge gathered. The beam rapidly pushes huge amounts of heat out of whatever it impacts, with such force and speed that sufficient power can cause those nearby to be burned or even outright incinerated. Conversely, the target becomes frozen so swiftly it explodes, showering the nearby vicinity in razor sharp shards. A charge of one day spent traveling or otherwise engaging in significant action will provide a sufficient charge to be lethal to all but the largest (or sufficiently magically warded) targets.

Armaments:
-Steel Fist: Left hand of prodigious size, designed to smash through walls and doors, three feet across at the knuckles.
-Sable Executioner: Customized claw on right arm, made of Black Steel, wounds caused by it have a high chance of infection, are prone to higher amounts of bleeding, and heal more slowly. The claws are able to saw through hardened targets with sufficient force.
-(Right Shoulder Mount) Anti-Vanguard Blade Launcher: Carries up to six large, fanged circular blades that can be launched individually. Each blade is capable of cleaving through armor far more effectively than the standard Anti-Infantry rounds. Each blade takes 1 hour to regenerate. Range 10-250 ft
-(Left Shoulder Mount) Anti-Golem Cannon: An enlarged and elongated cannon with heavy rifling, that fires a massive, spiral etched spike, designed to punch through even large masses of metal. The round is larger and more complex than normal, and takes three hours rather than one to regenerate. Further, the cannon itself takes up extra room, the massive cylinder of the cannon protruding both to the front and rear of the golem’s shoulder. Range 30-1,250 ft

More stuff coming in near future

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>>320998
>Amaranthine Annihilator

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So just chill... Til tha next episode.

Na-na-na-na-na, it's the mothafuckin D-R-E.

Hey Bob, Kyorto requested five unbroken skins of mages that practice world magic. What exactly are the restrictions this implies? I mean obviously we can't go hacking on them with the Sable Executioner, but is say death by blunt force workable or will we just end up ruining the skin if we do that? If we can't kill them in those ways then are we supposed to use a more sneaky method to terminate the mages, such as with the use of poision or suffocation?

>>321850
This is a question of magical significanse in the metaphysical 'wholeness' of the skin.

Even if the skin gets damaged from beating, as long as it does not outright tear open it should be perfectly viable. It is the act and concept of cutting and parting that disrupts the energies Kyorto needs.

And if someone wants to make up some sort of spell to liquefy internals to harvest skin easily, go for it. If you go for an entry level power source like World, let alone Word, come up with some fort of requirement to implement it, be it contact, some command line, or a specific set of circumstances ala Stands. The more confining the restriction, the more potent a spell can be, given it's power source. One of the core rules of magic in this setting.

so grabbing them in our steel fist and squeezing them just hard enough to keep their lungs from expanding would be perfect, like a constrictor snake. too hard could cause a bone to pierce the skin.

>>321912
Yes, that could work.

About how many Premen tribes are under the control of Goran? Goran seems to control the majority of the local Premen population, but I don't think we've been a rough estimate or anything like that.

>>321947

Goran controls eleven clans besides his own Gorkin Clan, all subservient to the Gorkin Clan.

Goran and the Gorkin Clan he founded and commands are the big players in the mountains anywhere near the Drazken Clan. Goran commands several tribes, and controls them with the strength of the Gorkin Clan, which under his leadership has grown to hold more than five thousand warriors, all who follow Goran's will without question. However, fully half of his clan is devoted to policing and taxing the clans he has conquered, forcing them to labor for him and his clan so that they as warriors one and all need not.

Be aware, the mountain range is somewhere on the range of four thousand miles long, and more than a thousand miles deep. There are is a LOT of space up there, and in any habitable regions, expect Premens and/or Yetis to be somewhere.

That answer your question? And does anyone have any other questions?

can we restart a soul-grave's fire if it has gone out by regurgitating souls into them?

>>321955
That depends what you mean by 'fire going out'

If you mean one running out of fuel, as in it is still intact but has consumed every last dreg of soul it had, then yes, yes you can.

But if you mean one that was damaged to the point it no longer functions, then no, it's spell matrices have collapsed, and you pretty much have nothing more than an empty husk, the spells would need to be remade before anything could be done.

Any other questions?

if a grave is restarted in such a way would it's system reset or would it still be under it's last master's control?
i ask because we could conceivably win a fight with another grave with attrition. it is told to destroy us and we just stay away from it but close enough to have it follow us. only thing we have to worry about would be morter shots but if it is able to not get any metal to eat it would not get any more ammo. we just dance around it until it powers down.

We got a list of awesome Traits And Talents And Powers that Ugrokk, the Tall, had. Would it be possible to get the same list for Oggroth, the Mountain, and Arkus, the Bad Ass Mage?

And will any of the 20 Premen in our squad be able to develop awesome personalities yet, or will we have to wait?

>>321957
A restarted golem would be capable of being commanded by the next person who had the inclination to do so. Re-powering one is the equivalent of having the user preferences reset, with all locks and such open until a user is registered.

However, a Soul Grave only loses one soul a month, and 3 souls per use of Soulfire. Further, a Soul Grave needs at least twelve souls to function, so unless specific order countermanding it are given, a Soul Grave will avoid using Soulfire when too close to it's minimum fuel requisite. But yes, if you dropped a golem to below twelve souls (or more, if the Soul Grave has been changed enough since creation to require more passive power) then the remaining souls would immediately disperse, and the now immobile form could be manipulated however desired.

>>312963


Reposting Ugrokk, then going from there.

Ugrokk's Traits And Talents:
--Blood Of The Long-Bones:
Ugrokk's blood is thick with the blood of the Cromagg, an ancient rival of the Premen. This makes Ugrokk far taller than his contemporaries, and gives him a reach advantage when using any of his limbs.
--Adaptive Joints:
Born more flexible than most, Ugrokk's joints allow a wider range of motion, allowing for more unconventional movements. Further, this flexibility means Ugrokk is exceedingly difficult to grapple, and is adept at escaping holds.
--Mobile:
Ugrokk is faster and lighter on his feet than most of his size range could claim.
--The Axeman:
Ugrokk is most familiar and competent with axes, which he combines with his reach and irregular movements for deceptive, whipping hacks and chops, preferring to distract and hinder foes with rapid attacks before finding a chance to land a deeply biting strike.
--The Open Hand:
Ugrokk's unarmed combat style is oriented around redirection of force, rather than blunt trauma, to rely on the leverage his height provides. Ugrokk can flip, throw, or cause to stumble almost any foe he can get his hands on. As far as direct strikes go, he prefers to chop and stab with a stiffened hand, rather than with a closed fist.

Oggroth The Mountain's Traits And Talents:
--Heir To Parran Thropus Clan:
Oggroth The Mountain's ancestry were long members of the Parran Thropus Clan, broken and scattered shortly after Oggroth's birth by Goran and the Gorkin Clan. The blood he carries comes from the Parran Thropus's Clan's distinct lineage, separate from most Premen, and makes him larger, hardier, and more primal. Oggroth's size, strength and durability all are greatly amplified by this Trait.
--Known No Pain:
Oggroth The Mountain is titled such for his phenomenal ability to ignore pain. He is able to ignore his flesh being sliced or flayed, not flinch when he is set aflame, and laugh at an attempt to beat him to death. Oggroth will continue to act with full control of his body until it literally starts to fall apart.
--The Way Of The Doban
Oggroth's signature weapon when he does not just use his bare hands, a massive sphere of iron some four feet in diameter, is a fighting style he claims to have picked up from an old, leathery-skinned Premen with shockingly white hair, who nonetheless was able to resoundingly trounce a younger, more arrogant Oggroth who was incredulous at the old one's claims. Now, Oggroth can apply devastating force to opponents up to thirty feet away, either by hurling the sphere at them, swinging it about in a circle with a shortened chain before extending it, or outright bringing it down with both hands upon an opponent like a hammer from the sky. While the speed his fighting style holds isn't much, it's destructive force and potential range are both exceptional.
--The Clenched Fist
Oggroth fights by balling his fists and using his overwhelming strength and weight to literally beat his foes to a pulp, preferring to stand and trade blows with a foe rather than try to fight evasively. Oggroth fights to dish out as potent of a blow as he can, every time he strikes.


Arkus:
--Adaptable Analytical Psyche:
As a result of having grown up under rather dismal conditions, with poverty, famine, death, plague, and all manner of traumatizing events all bombarding him. Yet instead of retreating from the harshness of reality, or being warped by it, Arkus became obsessed with understanding the world around him. As he matured, this tendency likewise evolved, leading to Arkus being able to restore himself to a rational state of mind much more quickly than would normally be possible by all but the most grizzled veterans, all of whom would have far worse mental scars than Arkus.
--World Mage:
Arkus has successfully learned at least one spell that taps world magic, and how to reliably correctly cast it. He now qualifies as an entry level mage by the Mortal Coil's standards.
--Well-Traveled:
Arkus has traveled widely throughout the warring lands south of Castiliathen, and knows the area well. Whenever Arkus is asked a question concerning anything within the demesne of that knowledge, he will have current information as of his last visit to any major city, given at least three days to check known places to pick up gossip and news.


Anything else someone wants to ask? Maybe someone wants to give a shot at outline a type of spell they would like to see?

>>321963
Oh, and traits/talents are only listed when they are noteworthy enough in terms of setting a character apart from others. Thus far, none of the other Premen have demonstrated anything out of the ordinary, though this could change over time as they are exposed to more things.

And again, open to any and all questions.

Ok, I would like to get a universal translator spell going - but I have no idea how to write it here. Could you maybe show us an example, and I'll try after that?

>>321979
Well, it could be:

Word based, activated by both parties desiring translation to 'sync up' by saying the spell Words at the same time. Unwieldy, and only one-to-one, but it works on simple magic.

Then there could be Will based, where the mage uses a spell to directly interpret the intended meaning of verbalized thoughts by directly probing the mind and then converting words heard to match what was heard with what was being communicated. Universally translates when active, rather than crossing a single language.

Basically, pick some method of using whatever fuel choice you end up with that more ore less matches it's theme, and that the more flexible a spell is, the more power it needs, the less flexible, the more potent for the same amount of effort.

>>321984
Could the word magic spell could be taught to basic premen warriors? How much magical ability is really required to be part of the casting of such a spell?

What about a spell for communications over long distances. I can see managing our empire will become increasingly difficult as the distance between our captured cities and peoples grows. Even now it'd be useful to communicate with Modreden from the road. We could have it be powered by Word and have it be focused by having to envision the targets name and leave a message.

maybe a simulacrum of your head at each town you control, with but a thought you can switch to it's viewpoint and talk through it.

>>322011
Very easy to do, so basic even Arkus could guide you through it, given the following:

Crafting replicas of your head with similar material composition (don't need to be identical, but still need some form of ruby eyes, a silver skull mask, iron base, etc.), and placing them everywhere you want to be able to see.

Tying the power of whatever leylines are nearest to said false heads, so that all are connected to what can be considered the magical equivalent of the internet (in SOME ways, not all), would then create a network, where as long as Mordre accessed it, he could use any of the heads to see and speak out of. This part can be hard, as directly interfacing with leylines is a learned skill with a steep learning curve.

The final requirement would be for Mordre to become a mage, which still has not happened, as insufficient numbers of magic users have been feasted on.

But yes, this could work exceptionally well for letting Mordre keep a close eye on distant parts of his empire, as it grows.

Go ahead and come up with a name for this spell (preferably alliterative), this is a solid concept.

>>321991
The word magic spell could be taught to them, but would first need to be learned. But yes, this spell will now exist in the setting, and all it is waiting on is for the group to find someone or something they can learn it from. Given how widely used Word magic is, this shouldn't be hard.

If you have any idea what you would want this basic translation spell called, shoot it out.

>>322010
Long range communication like that takes a good bit of juice, and unless the trigger mechanisms for the spell are incredibly specific, Word would not be able to provide enough power for such a spell. Maybe a more potent source of magic could be used.


Any other questions?

>>322028
Welll, the talking-head thing is easy enough to name, considering Mordre will be building his own empire. The "Eye of the Emperor" is upon you. Look busy.

Can a Soul Grave grow in size if given a large enough supply of metal, or are they locked into the measurements that they were originally manufactured in? Could a pristine soul be used to cause this process if it is not normally possible? I read all the questions and skimmed through the first thread again, but I don't think this has been brought up.

>>322064
I have an addendum to this actually, looking again I see the mention of a Soul Grave called the Grey Destroyer in possesion of the Golden League which has been modified to become thirty feet tall and several thousand pounds. I assume then that is possible through some means, although requiring an exorbitant amount of metals. Still, input would be appreciated as to the general process.

>>322064
You need the following:

Enough of a given type of metal that it's total mass equals that of the larger body sought. MUST be all the same type of metal.

Either a salvaged blueprint or a newly derived one from old texts, but a schematic of the desired form complete with diagrams on how the Soul Grave's spell matrices need to be molded.

Five mages capable of World, Will, and Blood magic, to guide the evolution of the spell matrices within as the form shifts.


Technically, Mordre could try to reshape himself without a given schematic or mages to guide his spell matrices, if there is enough confidence that his sapience will be able to guide his own reforging. I'm not saying it won't work.... but I'm not saying it would, either. There would be a do-or-die roll where if it was too low, Mordre would accidentally detach the magicks that animate it from it's physical form, if Mordre did not properly keep them attuned to the shifts in the golem's form. If this happens, Mordre is gone. Poof. No more Mordre. So bear that in mind. Though the more Mordre knows about the specifics of what a desired form should be, and it isn't too different, the chance it would end in worst case scenario would be very low.


Any more questions?

so if he ate a bunch of Golden League mages and gained their knowledge of golem craft it would make the risk drop by a ton? sweet.

One thing have been bugging me : a bronze *mine*?
Last time I checked, bronze is an alloy that doesn't exist in natural state.
Any plans on expanding on that or is it a case of "writer didn't research"?

>>322100
magic.

>>322100
Clearly a case of writer didn't do research, unless there is some crazy, convoluted reason for it farther down the mine tunnels, the tunnels which never got explored farther than several hundred feet, and have no known end.....

>>322103
..... are you suggesting we dig too deep and fight some demons?

>>322104
You have struck Bronze! Praise the Miners!

>>322103
I suppose stright answer would be too much to ask for.
Well, from the description of mines, they are almost certainly not natural. Lets mark it for the future exploration after we get Small Tomb.

Another question: So far, all 'Graves we had seen are anthropomorphic - two arms, two legs, head and vertical torso. Is there any other variants? Humanoids don't scale up very well. Quad or hexapod are almost mandatory if we grow too big, unless there are some magical ways to negate weight - but this will certainly increase soul consumption.

>>322153
Yes, most of the larger ones stop resembling the traditional humanoid biped form. The Iron Shell's Soul Grave has six legs to brace it's much larger form, and Castiliathen's Soul Grave is likewise not modelled as a biped due to it's size.

And yes, there are magical ways to decrease weight, but not only does this carry an increased cost in souls to power the golem, but the reduction in weight will mean they are easier to knock over. Spells to passively reduce weight are relatively rare, so a large city inclined towards magic might be the only place to find such spells.

Is there a rough map of the world available or did I miss it in the thread? It's a little difficult figuring out roughly where things are.

What kind of Steel is Mordre currently composed of? The answer to this question will help me to determine if we are made up of magnetic form of steel or not, and whether or not we can just tell Verther to screw himself.

>>322255
Mordre is currently (excluding his full steel left fest and Black Steel claw, both of which have enough magic/properties about them that they cannot directly be magically magnetized except by a very powerful force) almost all iron, with limited carbon in him.

So, Carbon steel, of a low Carbon content for the type of steel.... I guess in the sub-1% range, in terms of amount of carbon. So still magnetically active, so a Megnetomancer CAN play around with the rest of your body.

>>322262
Curse you and your ferromagnetic composition! CURSE YOU, I SAY!

>>322262
Damnit, I studdied metallurgy in college. I cannot let this stand.

Low carbon steel has carbon content in the one-tenth of a percent range. 1% carbon is the border between high carbon and VERY high carbon steel.

That said, you have to do a LOT to a steel to make it not magnetic. We are talking 20% other metals before we are even ready to start talking about noticable effects.

(Of course anything is magnetic if you have a strong enough field to play with. They have been levitating live frogs with magnets for years.)

>>322275
They did it with a mouse a while ago, I think.

>Further, your magical stamina will recover much, much faster than a human's would, as a result of having many more souls to provide ambient recharging to your magical reserves.

Also, this means the more souls we have the faster our magic regenerates, right? So if we spam soulfire, our magic will get a bit sluggish, and if we eat a city, we'll be able to cast nonstop?

>>322418
While the exact accuracy of each of your postulations could be questioned, the general theories behind them are sound.

So pretty much yeah.

>>320998
It looks like we're going to need an upgrade of this shortly. And, if you're updating this, could we get Mordre's Traits And Talents, too?

Also: I seem to remember it being possible for us to change the type of mortar we were using. Is it still possible to do that?

>>322425
I'm assuming that the rate of recovery has diminishing returns after a certain number of souls...b/c if it is linear, we would be able to spam magic constantly after a certain point.

If this diminishing returns theory is true, do we have a rough idea of when it "levels out" ?

So, what do we get Ham Points for, exactly? I mean, we should kinda get points for >>/quest/143657 because that is about has hammy as BRIAN BLESSED and BRIAN BLESSED always gets ham points, for awesome.

>>322499
Also, could I get an answer on this?

>>322499
It is still possible to change mortar loadout, but altering the mortars takes significant time and metal resources, usually in the range of six hours/100 pounds of metal, varying depending on what mortar is converted to what.

The mortar types you have yet discovered (and can thus shift to) are as follows:

0:Default Mortar: Fires a single shot designed to fragment and bombard the area with shards of metal, designed for use against infantry with up to medium armor. The less armored the foes, the greater the lethal range of any shot becomes. Range: 20-150 ft

1: Anti-Vanguard Blade Launcher: Carries up to six large, fanged circular blades that can be launched individually. Each blade is capable of cleaving through armor far more effectively than the standard Anti-Infantry rounds. Each blade takes 1 hour to regenerate. Range 10-250 ft

2: Anti-Infantry Cluster Shot: Fires a dozen miniaturized standard fragmentation round simultaneously, reducing it’s ability to pierce armor to both increase the area covered when a shot impact, and raising the mortality rate for unarmored targets in the area dramatically. Range 20-150 ft

3: Anti-Golem Cannon: An enlarged and elongated cannon with heavy rifling, that fires a massive, spiral etched spike, designed to punch through even large masses of metal. The round is larger and more complex than normal, and takes three hours rather than one to regenerate. Further, the cannon itself takes up extra room, the massive cylinder of the cannon protruding both to the front and rear of the golem’s shoulder. Range 30-1,250 ft

4. General Purpose Manipulator: A fold-up arm with a full reach of ten feet, the arm comes with an inset blade so that it may act as a spear, but otherwise has no direct means of causing harm. Is equipped with a fully functional hand.



A new list for Mordre concerning abilities/traits/etc. will be made once the Primary function of the Immortal Genocide has been discovered.

>>322900
The seven points were given for all collective HAM prior to the bestowal of points: The actual bit of hamming performed immediately before the notification of HAM points only qualified for three points, the other four had been earned previously.

HAM points are achieved when Mordre, while attempting to deceive others with a falsified persona, acts both in alignment with that false persona, AND does so in a humorous manner.

>>322540
The 'level off' point does not actually have any relevance, as by the time you reach it, magic will regenerate nearly instantaneously. What is critical to note is that, while gaining more souls increases magic stamina regen, it does NOT increase total magic stamina. So, while enough souls could mean you could spam spells, more mage souls must be consumed to increase the actual amount of power available for any given spell.


I hope that clears up those questions.


Any other queries?

ok so total soul count = regen: while total mage soul count = max MP. seems simple enough.

To clarify, the function discovered in Immortal Genocide for creating Soul Soldiers by drawing errant souls into it, breaking them down, and rebuilding them with some of your own souls is the TERTIARY function of the Immortal Genocide.

Out of three abilities for the Immortal Genocide, both it's Secondary and Tertiary functions are now known, with only the Primary still eluding Mordre's understanding.

I thought I should clarify that.


Any questions?

>>323048
oh, damn. that thing keeps getting better, so glad we got it.

>>323048
Question: Is there any power we don't know all the functions for, other then the Immortal Genocide?

>>323054
Other than runes on our chest, everything else have been created by us or Arkus from scratch. Well, there are Soul Nexus.

>>323048
I give up. Perhaps Kyorto can tell us what's it's primary function is. As a wild guess, perhaps it is some type of soul/soulfire-powered energy discharge similar to Amaranthine Annihilator?

I have a question about hero souls. Say if our siege fist got torn off, or we removed our mortar for any reason; would we lose the soulnexus/hero soul(s) residing in that part of the body? On one hand, as long as we play our cards right, we can avoid large amounts of crippling damage, so that wouldn't affect us too much. But if we flip things around, won't it make upgrading REALLY FRIGGIN HARD, unless we can tell the hero soul to go chill in another part of our body until upgrades/repairs are complete.

>>323054
Other than the runes on your chest replicated from those on Dulu's shifting staff and the Primary function of Immortal Genocide, all of Mordre's current abilities are fully understood.

>>323063
I shall answer this with a few examples:

If Mordre's arm had simply come off at the elbow, since the Soul Nexus in the hand would still be properly encased in metal, the Soul Nexus and the runes of Immortal Genocide both would suffer no immediate issues from being separated from the body. However, if the arm was not reclaimed swiftly, the Soul Nexus would start to decay from being cut off from you own enchantments. Give or take, after twenty four hours, it would wither to such point it would cease to ever function. Any runes will continue to hold magic bound within them so long as they are not damaged.

If Verther had speared Mordre's hand clean through, and in the process broken up the runes on his hand, then Immortal Genocide would have a cascade failure, and end up being inactive, potentially after a rather violent energy discharge (dependent on situation and status of damaged runes at time of damage). The soul Nexus would be temporarily disabled, but so long as it maintains a direct connection to your own form, it is next to impossible to permanently destroy.

If you chose to reshape the mortar in your shoulder that now has Ozmand's soul in it, his soul's presence would mean that the process of changing mortar configuration would take significantly longer, but would otherwise suffer no ill effects from the reshaping.

If you tried to change your left hand, the siege fist, into a radical new form (say, from siege fist to a claw like Sable Executioner, or some sort of cannon, etc.), then there is a chance (not a guarantee) that the Soul Nexus would be damaged from the change if it is drastic enough.

If you tried to 'grow' new attachments to a body part with a Soul Nexus, rather than changing the core shape of the part, then there is almost no chance of damages occurring to a Soul Nexus. An example of this would be, say Mordre has found schematics for mortars that can be mounted on a Soul Grave's arms, then those could be added without issue.

I hope that answers your questions.


Any more questions?

could we modify the anti-golem cannon so it is a breach-loader? with a small clip like thing on it so we have 4 shots grown at a time?

>>323112
Schematics for such a modification do exist for Soul Graves, you could find one and implement it. But finding such a schematic, considering the rarity involved, would not be an easy thing.

Alternatively, you could try to have Mordre self-guide the reshaping of the cannon, though doing this is a gamble, as there is no guarantee it would work, and a big enough failure could end with Ozmand's soul irreparably damaged.

Could we elongate the chain binging the ghost maw to us. If we know that its possible then ill keep it in mind.

>>323127
if by ghost maw you mean the Spectral Gorging Anima, part of the Soul Nexus in Mordre's left hand, then yes, it's range can be extended, and the ability otherwise improved, just as Accelerator can, by virtue of being part of a Soul Nexus. To grow stronger, more souls must merge with the Soul Nexus, adding new abilities and/or improving the power of existing abilities. Beyond that, If you can learn or gain access to soul based magic or Runework, then they could be manipulated and augmented much more specifically, but the knowledge and/or skill needed for such is exceedingly rare. So Hero Souls are your most common source.

>>323128
Kool. Looks like Kyorto is gonna have a lot of teaching to do.

>>323048
Question. Could we break down some of our souls to make soul soldiers? Or do we need to break down free-floating souls?

>>323277
There need to be 'free' souls (souls unbound to their native form or otherwise caged) in the area to use this ability, as your own souls are only used as bindings to control the Soul Soldiers made from the ambient souls.


Any other questions?

Question: How do our ham points add up and when do we get a total?

>>323475
Correction: How do the ham points add up - i.e., are we adding them up without it being listed, or have we not been hammy enough? Second question, if we have been getting Ham Points: When will the next time we get a total be?

>>323475
Ham points get distributed every time a particularly HAMMY event happens [WARNING: UNLESS SPECIFIC DIALOGUE FROM POSTERS IS INCLUDED, IT CANNOT EARN HAM POINTS], with allowances for incidences of HAM that were not sufficiently large since the last point gain. This does mean that if there are no shining moments of high-quality HAM, then it can be a long time till the next set of points are gained.

The next reward is at 25 HAM points, and as of the last sufficiently HAM event, you had 12 HAM points.


Any other questions?

Yes - just how hammy do we have to be? I've been trying to be in character and hammy, but I'm not sure if I'm ham enough.

Basically, how much ham are you looking for to qualify?

>>323613
It's can't just be HAMMY, it must also be FUNNY if it is to trigger the accrual of HAM points. Like the actions involving the fake spirits in the woods, complete with treebeard, or 'Mage Mordre' having to deal with something himself, rather than the golem he controls, like the purring cat or issues with forest spirits controlling his armor.

Wow, I don't read...you already answer this and I start harping on it again. Goodness. Well, thank you...Now I just have to try and find a time to be funny as well as hammy. This is gonna be hard.

After asking a brick-stupid question that has already been answered, could you be nice enough to give us a Traits And Talents And Powers List for Derkin?

Again, sorry.

>>323618
Derkin the Machete's Traits and Abilities:
--Dead-Steady Hands:
Derkin has very nimble and precise control of his hands and digits, and is deft at sleight of hand, pickpocketing, and knife throwing as a result.
--Subtle Sabers:
Derkin is competent at using machetes as throwing knives, and beyond this, is practiced at secreting such blades about his personage in great number. Part of why he prefers plate, mail and scale coats is to have extra space to hang machetes on the extra material, though his current salvaged mail coat has seen better days.
--Back Alley Whispers:
Derkin is a practiced thief, rogue, pickpocket and bandit, and can glean knowledge from local criminal populations very easily. Further, he knows of several fences and black market locations throughout the war-torn collection of nations and empires south of Castiliathen.
--Belligerent Bullrush:
Derkin does not like to leave questions unanswered, and when assigned to a task, will continue to attempt to succeed even in face of normally daunting circumstances or frustrating lack of results, with the exception of anything that offers significant chances of personal death. He does like being alive, after all.


Any more questions?

Jojo's and Sir Keddic Harksburton the 4th's list?

Also, how would you rank your appreciation of the players, anyway?

And could we get the Traits And Talents And Powers List for the soul's we've eaten? I really do want to see what the Bandit King had, myself, and I like reading these stat card thingies.

Question: Would we get the whole chaos-hand thing again if we ate rune-inscribed guns Cannons?

>>323746
Not the same process. That worked because they were runes on a Soul Grave arm, and Mordre could make them migrate to it's own arm, different as it may be. You have no analog to the miniaturized cannon, it is different from all mortar configurations you have found in that it seems to be a self-contained system, which is completely at odds with how Mordre's own cannons work, part of the total magics within a Soul Grave work.

>>323764
Does that mean we couldn't eat the guns?

>>323767
Mordre could always eat them, it just means it could not simply force the runes to migrate in a manner similar to what was done with the Steel Fists' Soul Grave and it's arm. So they would only be worth the metal they are made of, in this case.

Ah-ha! Ok. And, can we get any more Traits, Talents And Powers Lists? I just like reading them, honestly.

Sorry, I must have missed/forgotten it, but what's up with the Mortal Coil? What are they, some sort of international Wizard Society?

Also, can anyone become a mage with enough effort/learning/teachers, or is it something that has to be born into you? Just want to make sure.

>>323620
>>323771
I probably should explain these guys.


Jojo the Stand's Traits and Abilities:
--Souldreamer:
Jojo practices an obscure subdivision of magic called Souldreaming, which allows him to use his own soul to power magic within his own dreams, and possess significant power while in tranced states. This power comes at a price, as all those 'blessed' with this ability have bodies crippled from birth, and any considerable use of power requires a deep enough trance that Jojo is left defenseless. Limited in application outside of actual dreamscapes (Jojo is more adept at his craft when asleep).
--Truth to dreams:
Jojo is capable of negating recent injuries or changes on any being capable of dreaming, but most go in to a trance to do so. He essentially converts the memories of the injury into memories of a dream, using his Souldreaming to tie the actual wounds to the now falsely imagined dream, forcing the body to revert to it's earlier, undamaged status. This process takes time and energy, and is ill-suited to the midst of battle.
--The Dream Path:
Jojo, while asleep and dreaming, can 'ride' the dreams of anyone he has met to their location, and will awaken at their location. This process is near instantaneous, but Jojo is left prone after the jaunt while his soul and body reconnect.
--Nightmare of the Soul:
Jojo, while asleep and in contact with the dreams of someone he has met, can use his own soul to trigger potentially fatal dreams, applying the reverse of his Truth to Dreams ability and making the dangers in the dream tangible to the victim, while spurring it on towards nightmares and personal fears of the individual. A draining task, and a warded mind could proved dangerous to assault.
--The Path Of Suffering:
Jojo was cast out of his own village at a young age for his frailties, before his powers manifested. He survived on his own determination, resolve and wits, and has a deep abiding respect for those who walk alone, and any showing the determination to do what they must to live and thrive. Pity is anathema to him, as all he has gained has been through effort and pain, earned rather than received as a gift.

Sir Keddic Harksburton The 4th's Traits and Abilities:
--Heir to the 'Way of Harksburton':
Keddic is the fourth inheritor of the form of combat magic passed down from the founder of the Harksburton line, a magic that is a closely guarded family secret in terms of how it is achieved, fusing Will and Blood magic fuel sources to create a combat magic that has several Arcane traits. To date, no one outside the Harksburton line has learned the Way. Each heir to the style is expected to contribute some meaningful improvement to the style before they can continue the family line.
--Wanderlust Addict:
Keddic is obsessed with exploring and adventure, and goes out of his way to see strange and exotic sights. Has spent several years in the Land of Dragons, far to the south, and gained a basic understanding of their own form of combat magic, one that focuses around the concepts of manipulating mass and the perceived connections between all things.
--Student of The Lined One:
During his travels in the Land of Dragons, Keddic met a native combat magic practitioner who was willing to teach him the fundamentals of Mass Connection, the general name for the form of combat magic they practice. Keddic adapted several theories into the Way of Harksburton, but his training was incomplete: His instructor was a wanted man, and Keddic was forced to flee the Land of Dragons after being labeled an accomplice. He assures everyone it must be some misunderstanding.
--Fight-Addict With Gentlemanly Tendencies:
Keddic is obsessed with the struggle of battle, and actively seeks out areas of conflict in the hopes of finding good opponents to further hone the Way of Harksburton against, as well as finding simple joy in the course of a hotly contested fight. Outside of conflict, he carries himself with the confidence of one born to wealth and respect, and endeavors to stay a cordial individual.
--Harksburton Vendetta:
The Harksburton line has an oath of revenge that they are honor bound to pursue if given the chance, against a humanoid Life Golem by the name of Aurockoth, who not only has slain three scions of the Harksburton line, but more importantly has also stolen glory and accolades that rightfully belonged to the Harksburton line. The Life Golem's location is unknown, and descriptions vague, but the family nonetheless holds hope of one day paying back their grudge.

>>324475
Anyone can become a mage, with people varying in their innate magical inclination (basically how fast they can translate concepts into actual actions), with as much variation as you can see amongst people for most traits. Some people are better with certain magic sources than others, like a singer that is talented at Word magic, and this can be either genetic or due to life circumstances.

The most important factor for learning magic is having access to already established knowledge, most of which is tightly controlled. Unless one has a source to learn from, they are forced to resort to blindly stumbling about on their own, an inefficient and dangerous manner of learning. So, in the case of having access to sufficient documentation and instruction on existing methods of using magic, anyone could become a competent mage.

The Mortal Coil actually exists for this very reason, many mages over the ages have wished to pool their knowledge for greater understanding, and the Mortal Coil was born to document findings of members. As those who joined became increasingly talented thanks to the data at their disposal, the Mortal Coil grew, spreading across the land. The Mosmordren Empire had several colleges on it's land, as do nearly every nation worthy of the name. Entrance is difficult, with most applicants being turned away. Sufficient existing talent, an appropriately wealthy sponsor and/or friends amongst the Mortal Coil's number are necessary to even be considered.

So, an international Wizard society that hoards knowledge like mad, and out of necessity grew to become a chain of exclusive magic colleges to continue funding the research of graduates. Ruling body are the seven Grand Elder Mages, A position with no term limit, with new members selected wither by political maneuvering, or by demonstrating enough skill to best an existing Grand Elder mage in combat. Lenryt is the only person to become a Grand Elder mage by this method in the last seventy years.


Any more questions?

Thank you!

How clever do we really need to be to get a Pristine Soul?

I did think it was a little cleaver that I knew that it was going to be Dulu making trouble for everyone, the jerk.

So we could technically make supermages by taking children from birth and teaching them magical concepts? Awesome.

And I must thank you far all the hard work your putting into this. Lots of typing and time, I'm sure that last huge post took some imagination to get done.

I think that we are going to have to visit the land of the Dragons next. It seems very... interesting

>>324563
That 'next' should most likely be 'after we consolidate in The Azelhaedran State'. And if it's terribly far, we should really try to find a way to have instantaneous communication and transport with the various towns in our empire - marching off into the east is awesome, but if someone kicks us in the teeth when we're not here, we would never know about.

...Suggestion, can we look into a Word or World magic to instantly talk with people in our empire or teleport or move at several times our normal speed?

>>324541
>>324546
To earn a Pristine Soul, you can't just connect data and draw accurate conclusions, you also have to predict a future event (The Yeti turning on you, Finding the Premen replenishing food at the stream) while lacking enough data to be sure of your guess. They are purposefully designed to be hard to earn, exactly for how effective they are.

So, an example of how to earn one:
If you had inferred Dulu's presence from the comment as already done, and then built on that by correctly predicting what Dulu is doing/will be doing (Beyond just 'investigating Mordre').
EXAMPLE: Predict Dulu is going to join insurgents, prediction ends up valid, PRISTINE SOUL

Standing offer of 5 Pristine Souls if anyone can guess WHY Mordre can use Pristine Souls/why they happen before it gets discovered in the quest. If too many people guess incorrectly, offer comes off table, so be aware of that.

>>324563
You could likely achieve a much higher average competency level by starting tutelage early in the formative years, yes.

>>324580
Given sufficient time to study and orders to research it, Arkus can devise a means of long distance observation and communication, based around making replicas of Mordre's head, that Mordre can then gaze and speak through with magic. Basically, MORDREPHONE. If you want something else, be specific describing it, and I'll see what could work in the system's mechanics.

Teleportation magic is currently out of reach, as no texts on it are currently available to you. This could change either through interactions with the Mortal Coil, or by being fortuitous when claiming other research outposts.


Any other questions?
Also, feel free to wildly speculate in the hopes of earning Pristine Souls, this IS the discussion section.

>>324592
Well, on Dulu, I will give the suggestion he is here to challenge us to mortal combat - one on one fight, again.

As for those five souls, is it the change that wracked Mosmordren Empire that has granted our souls sentience and when we use our vast intellect do those souls gain their own sentience and they become 'pristine', in a way, purified?

Or is it when the GM decides we've done good thinking that he give us players a few fate points to burn for usefulness?

>>324592
Another spell request: A Word or World spell that would allow us to speak at great distances.

And, as a request, how many languages do we know and just how far can we throw our voice?

>>324598
erm, as correction, I meant 'talk at a great distance to individuals. Being able to talk directly to Arkus while he researches, our generals as we lead a great army to war, to a scout, or to Derkin when he sneaks.

A guess: We can use pristine souls because of the fact that we have self-cognizance. The pristine souls exist with our stored total of unused souls, and we draw souls which hold value of great value, but which also possess enough...power, i guess...to allow them to greatly boost whatever we want them to boost, but only once, as the soul is then free from the our grave. Does this make sense?

Oh? I just thought that the souls and the guess we mad were some how connected (Like it knew this stuff from latent memories or something) and because we are effed up from all the Cursing and stuff I just supposed that it(the soul) was sufficiently relived enough to release its power to us, you know no regrets left behind, blah blah.
If we found out by other means then it wouldn't have been like the soul was trying to tell us something and got through, so no soul no power. Circular thought, all that jazz.

Maybe pristine souls are souls of those that come to us fully and of their own free will, not damaged but whole?

Oh, yeah. You will tell us if any of these ideas are close, right?

I predict Dulu is going to die.

Violently.

Because of us.

>>324615
If someone gets it right, I shall say so, assuming it isn't guess #193 or some crazy shit like that, you don't get to guess for forever, and all.

>>324598
Any form of 'mental walkie-talkie' magic is going to be Will based or above, unless both parties are standing on leylines.

Possibly a shrunken down totem of Mordre, crafted out of his own metals, could be used as a portable version of the replica head idea mentioned earlier, but if anyone got ahold of these, they could do you some harm.

ALSO:

If anyone wants to come up with design motiffs for Small Tombs and/or some unique Soul Graves, they could get used in the quest, so if you want to build a golem, human or siege time, go for it. If you have any questions on what is and isn't feasible in the setting, or whether a specific technology is around, throw those out too, I'm happy to answer them.

>>324627
>tinymordre
>size of a normal person
>put all the mage souls into it
>MORDRE THE MAGE


Doable, bob?

>>324627
Let's try for a mental walkie-talkie for now. What would we have to do to do that. And not via a totem, just a straight mind-to-mind thingy.

Also, what do you mean by building a golem? What are the ground rules?

>>324628
What you suggest, from the perspective of the setting, is intriguing. At face value, I assumed you meant restructuring Mordre's form to be smaller, which would severely reduce many of his offensive abilities (smaller munitions, less weight behind attacks, etc), but allow him access to anywhere a human can go. The shrunken form WOULD have greater magical capacity, insofar as it's magics would no longer need so much power to continue operating, with a smaller, leaner form to support.

So unless you want to lose a great deal of Mordre's combat abilities in becoming more humanoid in size and shape, this would need to be a second body. In essence, your suggestion would have you constructing a Small Tomb, with the only apparent difference being the number of hero souls, and that they are mage souls, specifically, to differentiate this from any other Small Tomb. Which would mean this is possible from a quest standpoint, you just need to learn how a Small Tomb is made.

But that would not mean you could control it, as it would be a seperate construct from your own form.... or so it would be, if this was being approached conventionally. But as you suggest taking souls from an existing, functioning Soul Grave and migrating them to a new body, that restriction does not apply, because the mage souls in question are already bound to your consciousness, all you are doing is changing the specific location said bound souls occupy.

So.... yes, even though I originally was going to say no, that is not possible without sacrificing much of Mordre's might, it turns out that upon reflection, this can be done BOTH by converting Mordre's form into the new, smaller one, AND by creating a Small Tomb and infusing with souls directly from Mordre.

Keep in mind the second option would be something unattempted in Zakrath's recorded history, so the specifics of how it would work cannot be discerned without attempting it.

>>324660
I mean there are 22 other Soul Graves already built out there, and if you guys want to take a crack at coming up with some concepts/details for some of those other Soul Graves, go for it. And since Soul Graves can be remodelled, you have a good bit of leeway in what you can do.


Hope that answered those questions. Any others?
And any Small Tomb or Soul Grave ideas?

>>324662
As awesome as having a mini-me would be, lets save that for some higher end stuff - I love the comedy of having a humongous war machine acting like it's a mage and I do not want to sacrifice any of our combat power to make us small, and the idea of making another Soul Grave our slaves by overriding them just seems...abhorrent.

As for ideas...How about a Soul Grave Parliament-General. A Soul Grave designed to harbor only the souls of heroes - possibly the ones that the ruling body deems worthy. These generals and heroes of war are the leaders of the army and hold the ear of the [King/Emperor/Tyrant] in the manner of all things martial, as the souls have a collective wisdom of centuries of warfare - that is if this Soul Grave has not already become the ruler of a nation. Built like a Quint from Transformers - rotating parts that display the dominate hero soul -, or maybe a great block of metal covered in masks or even a figure made of a great many tentacles-faces, each 'arm' ending in a skull of the head of the soul it represents.

>>324663
Keep in mind that all other Soul Graves lack sapience, as any inorganic construct displaying this is deemed anathema and eradicated, so the golems are still humanoid tools, controlled by a master.

>>324664
What about Olmezca?I thought that he was sapient as well.

>>324665
any other SOUL-GRAVE is not sapient. other golem classes may be thinking.

>>324666
This is true, but ANY self-willed Golem, be it a Soul Grave, a clay golem, or anything else, is still something that pretty much everyone will try to kill. This is largely thanks to TERRIBLE problems with self-willed semi-immortal war creatures getting bored while sapient.

>Standing offer of 5 Pristine Souls if anyone can guess WHY Mordre can use Pristine Souls/why they happen before it gets discovered in the quest.
Suppose I'll take a stab at this.

So, before the fall of the Mosmordren empire, Soul Magic wasn't illegal. We might infer from this that other nations had their own Soul Magic specialists, though perhaps nowhere near the number of the empire.

It's possible, then, that enemy Soul Mages were on the battlefield during the war... and perhaps Mordre consumed a particularly brilliant one (a Hero Soul Mage.)

So, maybe the then-autopiloting Mordre immediately and instinctively used the Hero Soul to improve its 'well' or 'stores' or whatever - the means of holding and using souls - and that had a drastic effect on Mordre himself. Those assigned to look after Mordre had him recalled, believing that he needed to be 'fixed' out of fear of having to deal with a self-aware Soul Grave while in the middle of a big-ass war, and sent him into hibernation until the war was 'over'.

Of course, then the other nations pulled the coward move and cut off the leylines to Mosmordre - the sudden cutoff might have had an impact on the hibernating Mordre, pushing the knowledge gained from the Hero Soul deep enough that he could no longer simply grab it and use it (rather than corrupting the knowledge entirely; it is a Hero soul after all.)

...So, when we get a Pristine Soul, it's a moment of exceptional clarity as the deeply-embedded knowledge of this Hero Mage resonates within Mordre... and, compelled to act, purifies a soul of all impurities; making it much more potent than it normally would be.

tl;dr: Mordre ate a Soul Mage Hero in his last fight pre-fall and gained the knowledge of strengthening and purifying a soul, but can't access the knowledge except in special situations as a side-effect of the Leyline Curse inflicted on the entire empire while he slept.

>>324664
True. Lets say that they just use the Soul Grave as a final resting place for generals and heroes, believing a Soul Grave to not destroy heroes. It is a collection of knowledge and nothing more. The fact it might be bored, maybe has gotten really damn good at >implying, and has the ear of most of the army and nobles - because enough of thsoe useless souls it's digesting were warriors or nobles - isn't well known?

Huh, here's an idea: Maybe the curse bound the great Soul Mages who were working on us to us in some way? That a prestine soul is their working without us knowing it as their intellegence is used to levels they're used to?

Perhaps a Pristine Soul is created from when Mordre actually develops a soul of his own.

They are essentially HIS soul.

oh, and if it is some overly convoluted reason that we have no hope of ever figuring out then this is an unfair deal.

>>324686
Bob, don't listen to these doubting thomases, ok? I like the offer of bonuses for neat things and the fact we're giving you ideas of what it could be is nice - a standard RPG fact.

The Automatic Golem: A golem that had been redesigned to allow access to blueprints of various transports and weapons. Due to it's advance construction, fluid-like materials, and many upgrades it's tinker-owner has given it, this Golem is capable of transforming into anything it's owner, the tinker-mage Spike Sparkslotson.

Character Idea:
A brilliant mage has discovered the secret to immortality, in a sense. He has created a life golem using a combination of blood and soul magic. The golem was created using the blood and souls of others as a base and his own as a control. This allowed him to transfer himself (blood and mind/soul)to the body.
He has to add new souls and blood occasionally to keep the connection strong, so he lives as a sort of Vampire, preying on anyone that suits his fancy to keep himself going. As a result he cannot stay in one place too long for fear of being hunted and arrested/executed.

Bob, what I'm thinking is that if we make a mini-mage mordre, we could have it BE the so-called Mordre we are pretending to be: A magical mishap made us INTO a psuedo-soul grave, so now we have to be around in person, and so on.

>>324763
Well, you could also graft a set of mage skin onto it, if it conforms to human body conventions well enough, and bind it to the magics within said golem. Sure, the skin could be blasted off, but it could pass for human pretty easy, barring a thorough magical inspection.

A key factor here is that, should you do this, separate your mage souls from Mordre's main body, and put them in an auxiliary one, Magnetomancy would be less effective on Mordre's main body, as the magic would no longer originate from it. This would also mean that the mage form must be proximal to attempt to control Mordre's munitions mid flight. In all other matters, the magic-specialized body would probably outperform Mordre's current configuration in terms of magic.

More questions?

An immortal mage-king that is actually a golem in disguise with a bodygaurd of its old body.

I like it.

>>324764
Have any of the ideas about Pristine souls been anywhere near the mark? Any of these golems interesting enough to use?

>>324766
Thus far:

>>324677
was close, in that it is a viable method of creating a spaience like Mordre, and is somewhat related to the actual event.

And as to Golem ideas, I will only post responses to Golem suggestions when I want to clarify something, otherwise I will try to find a place to use them in the setting, so go ahead and keep throwing out ideas, there are scores of Small Tombs about, as well as the Soul Graves.

Hey. Mordre had a master before, right? What if he fused his soul with his golem while afflicted with the Curse as a last ditch effort to save his own life?

When we get these bursts of inspiration, Mordre's master's soul is awakened for a brief moment. He was an old Soul Mage, and thus this is both why Mordre can use these Pristine Souls and why they wink into existence.

...I swear I hadn't read this post before writing that theory out:
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How do I shot Trip?!H508X.HbJ6 2010/04/30(Fri)02:25 No. 15020 ID: e31d52
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>Golem ideas

Olmec.

No, I'm serious. He's a stone golem who's only purpose is to store historical information.

Most people underrate that sort of job, but if Olmec was installed, say, before even the founding of Mosmordre and fed info as news occured, that'd be a damn fine use for a golem, in my honest opinion. Not a thing of battle, mind you, and he might have to be planted on a leyline or something to be able to hold so much knowledge.

Or guve him a HUGE face and teeny legs and arms.

>>324820
i rather like that. he would just be a giant animate library. actually, put him in the library and he would not only know everything but would be the card catalog and the door watcher. have the library divided into authorized sections, the public has full access to section 1, apprentice mages have access to section 1 and 2. and full mages have access to all three.

>>324822
...How is that rating broken down? Crossing a moat? Mental challenges? Physical games that only the fastest and the strongest would be glorified in? A run through a deep, haunted temple ruin's to find an artifact?

Anyway, I would think not entirely library. A collection of artifacts would be awesome - a warehouse of items, like warehouse 23, or SCP Foundation, but not quite. Maybe the artifacts of ancient heroes.

>>324835
it's broken down by olmec is attached to the doors so he has to buzz you in.

>>324837
...You see, my request was it to be broken down like Legends of the Hidden Temple games. The Moat, then the Steps of Knowledge, then the games, and then running for your life to get the artifact.

But now that I had to explain that joke, it just died. I still suggest Olmec guarding artifacts is both hilarious and makes more sense then books.

>>324838
Nother idea: Olmec is mostly broken, but intact from the waist up. He's pretty huge, so they install him as a door, using his arms to block a set of passages.

Shot!H508X.HbJ6 2010/05/03(Mon)19:57 No. 15109 ID: e31d52
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Mordre needs to be more like Dr. Atomic Robo Tesla.

GUYS.

GUYS.

What if we made a suit of armor out of this morphic stuff?

Shot!H508X.HbJ6 2010/05/04(Tue)23:01 No. 15144 ID: e31d52
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>>324943
Basically, it's been stated we can make psuedo-golems using the morphic metal we have access to. With this in mind, I made this: The Ark-Pangolin, a suit of armor that will allow Arkus to fight alongside us. The entire suit is made from the stuff of the guns and morphic weaponry, possibly entirely morphic steel if we find out how to make more. It can roll into a sealing ball to protect itself and Arkus, as well as move faster if need be. Furthermore, should we opt to, we can use the guns we have found to add hand cannons (in this design there are 8 in a circle on the 'cannon' arm) or as turrets that pop up from under the scales as turrets. Feedback?

>>324944
Bob's basically told me this is nearly the bare minimum of what is truly possible if we want to burn up our resources. There's a lot more we can do!

I Have a proposition that we may wish to attempt with Mordre:

Immortal Genocide can manifest stored souls as Spirit Soldiers, yes? Well, if we manifest a soldier (thereby losing a soul), can we consume it again before it dissipates (thereby regaining the soul)?

And if so, what if we used one of our heroic souls to manifest? Would it manifest a Spirit Soldier as that heroic Figure? Would it last longer? Could we recover it and reimplement it into it's given soul nexus?

Just a few things I thought of while pondering Mordre's arsenal. If it's already been addressed in this thread, forgive me, I must have missed it.

>>324944
That's fine and dandy and all but.... Arkus doesn't want to kill anyone. He'll fight for the sake of self-preservation, sure. But he already made it explicitly clear that he's not gonna take any lives himself.

>>324946
Well it always takes more souls to make soldiers than we have soldiers afterward, so doing this would still be using a lot of souls, though we may recover one to stem the loss I guess..

>>324946

That's an interesting concept. I don't think it will work that way but your train of thought is a good one.

For some time now, I've been wondering if we can upgrade/improve the soul soldiers so that they take less souls to use or we can manufacture many more of them at a time...

If we could manage to do this, we would be a much more self sufficient force. As of now, we need to ally up with other forces if we want to win any significant battles. If we could say produce 50 soul soldiers it would be less of a problem...

>>324948
It isn't that Arkus dislikes killing to any particularly abnormal level or anything, he just doesn't like fighting, because to him it is evidence that a mistake was made prior to the fight that led to the violence. This does not mean that he WON'T fight, it just means he prefers not to if there is something else he could do, hopefully to prevent the fight.

Kind of like the Teddy maxim 'speak softly, but carry a big stick.' Basically, when Arkus has to resort to violence, it would be his preference to end the fighting as efficiently as possible, with minimal risk to himself and those aligned with him. So he would not object to a weapon like this, and would likely prefer to use it in any instance where fighting occurs due to his behavior patterns.

>>324944
And on the subject of Shot's proposed design, a couple things that could be done with existing materials to tweak it:

-In the center of each armor plate that will be exposed when the pseudo-golem rolls up, place a small resevoir for metal to be kept fluid. Then, when curled up into a ball for maximum defense, the reservoirs can be used like flexible spikes to guide the path of the curled construct, as well as gathering perceptual data fro the pilot while they are enveloped by the metal. Could also mean that when rolling, things in your way will not be hit by a giant ball, but by a giant SPIKED ball.

-The claws could be arranged around the barrels inset into the arms, so that each arm could have BOTH morphic claws and Soul-Grave grade artillery in them. Or instead of big guns, lots of hand cannons, if preferred.

-placing enough (36 or more) hand cannons inside the pseudo-golem would free up extra morphic metal to be used elsewhere, allowing each hand to sport TWO Soul-Grave scale cannons and claws, as well as giving access to omnidirectional fire with most scales acting as pop-up turrets.


If you want to suggest more tweaks to this design, go for it, and if you have your own design or further questions, that works too.

>>324954
This is possible, but only with sufficient Soul magic knowledge having been acquired.


Any other questions? Or golem ideas? Thoughts on the quest?

Falcon 2010/05/05(Wed)21:20 No. 15171 ID: 45bd47
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I've sketched up some quick mods that we can make to Mordre to make up for our current weaknesses.

We can add more legs for maneuverability and support when firing the AG cannon. It will also make it harder for us to be immobilized as we were in the spar. Each leg should have about the same amount of material as out current legs but be more dense so its harder to break. Also completely round,to make shots glance off.

The only other mod is a reinforced area around the Torso filled with the liquid metal. It will allow the top half of the body to spin independently of the lower half and if necessary, the liquid can be hardened to eliminate the weakness it provides.

>>324971
I don't like this, particularly. It's too inhuman, and would make people like us even less than normal.

>>324944
>>324961
This sounds magnificent!

>>324971
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The more 'human' Mordre looks, the easier it will be to talk to people, up to and including my earlier minimordre idea (which remains to be the best option once we get a stable government under our fist).

Since we can improve others that are worse off, we'll get more mileage out of the morphics by making psuedo-golem armor.

>>325013
I think the giant skull knight thing look we got going is pretty awesome.

>>325024
It's awesome, yes. However, we must consider: Can he lead a nation like that? Can he speak to diplomats, trade unions, like that?

Like he is now... can he be a king?

Thinking on it, yes, yes he could. He'd be even better than Leonidas in being an Awesome King. He doesn't need a well.
If someone threatens his people with slavery and death, LASER.

>>325025
Yes. Yes, yes, yes. We are the Skull Knight King. Mordre, the Skull Knight King, Mage-Supreme.

Since Dulu is obviously gonna bite it, can we get his infocard?

I wanna see Mordre's but, we still haven't found the main power of the Immortal Genocide...which we need to do. And we need to figure out what these Pristine Souls are! I want those five souls!

Erm...Pristine Souls are a representation of our rage and the rage of all Mosmordren, because we are the last Golem of Mosmordren and, during the curse, we absorbed all the souls nearby into our body while the souls we previous owned we expelled and mutated.

Or our pristine souls are the first souls we had when we awoken, mutated slowly by the curse into something thinking, feeling, and hateful?

>>325253
Pristine Souls are, well, US. To be imprecise. To be closer to the mark, they are directly related to the following:

1: the Curse. It mutates everything, perverts magic and souls, and is the reason for our sentience. There's no reason it's not tied to this ability.

2: Mordre's age and original inventory of souls. These few left in the golem were changed irrevocably by Mordre gaining sentience, and are likely slightly sentient themselves, or are at least aware: Mordre always describes the use of one as the soul burning and clawing and wanting something. Thus, the same perversion of magic that changed mordre, and mosmordre, also changed the fuel in Mordre, making it FAR more potent, and giving IT sentience of a sort.

3: Mordre's will. To wit, point 1 and 2 make it possible for Mordre, through a powerful and intense realization or accomplishment, forge souls into Pristine ones, lending them clarity just long enough for them to help him.

Phew.

Seriously, I'm thinking of using that last Pristine soul to discover the IG's true functions. This is getting our of hand.

Nah, we need to save it for the next time we wanna upgrade our eyes. Let's not break up a winning team. And, anyway, it seems foolish to burn a Pristine Soul on something so...mundane. Something we can work out, or fiddle with to find out. Heck, after we consolidate our power and bitch-slap those opposing us, if we still haven't found the power, we just go to Arkus and Kyorto and ask 'What the heck does this do, god damn it!'

Q: How long does an average Soul Soldier last?

Assuming this isn't asking anything that will spoil the plot in the future, what would have happened if you had rolled a 7 or 13 for Dulu? I'm guessing 13 would have meant he would have popped from behind the shield and did something spectacularly annoying to us instead of keeling over.

>>325331
About five minutes max, or until it is used in an attempt to directly kill against something with a much more potent soul (like when the mobbed Verther and left him intact but dead)

>>325335
For future reference, the 1d13 is something that I will now crack out periodically, and it works something like follows:

Roll 1d13 when someone is dead/dying
IF ROLL=7, Miraculous recovery derived from some source (extra potions, benefactor, prepared item, whatever)
IF ROLL=13, ......Well, we'll get to it when I end up rolling it, won't we?
[Yes, this one is PLOT]
ELSE: FUCKALL happens.

Hope that answered you questions.


Any other questions? Or theories you want to wildly speculate on?

>>325340
>>325340
>(like when the mobbed Verther and left him intact but dead)

oh, hey, an easy eay to be certain to get skins.

We've had a few more soul ideas: Any of them right? Also, I thought -someone- suggested that Dulu and Rocky were working together - no pristine soul?

Also, Considering the name 'Balboa', you gonna do a Lord-Quest like bonus?

>>325277
Why would you use a Pristine soul on that? We only have one left.

Besides, doesn't someone have a marker they can call in for something like that:

http://tgchan.org/kusaba/questarch/res/142119.html#154209

>>325353
Good observation. Who the heck is tha/tg/uy?

...Quick! Someone pour over the old numerical errors of Golem quest!

Hey guys wouldn't it be WILD if Mordre wasn't really making this persona up?

What if he really WAS being remote controlled before Mosmordre got destroyed? What if, through that remote control magic, the golem 'learned' what it was like to think for itself? Or alternatively, the remote control magic was done by the caster splitting part of his soul off into the golem so that they were basically in two places at once. So now, when we get HAM points, it's from when Mordre acts like his existence was in the past. It's more of a 'memory' than truly creative deception.

So then, when Arkus began to read that golem control spell, the remote control enchantment on Mordre reacted and infused us with either the remnants of that enchantment, or the soul that was split off from our former master.

In essence, we ARE our former master. Either in mind, soul, or both.

As for the Pristine Souls, I'm going to guess that our former master was a Soul Mage, and specialized in using his power to enhance golems.

Suggestion! Because of >>176631, I want a 'I Hate Dulu' picture with Mordre as Ricky and Dulu as Lucy. Mordre speaking in fast Mornostric and hammy acting while Dulu whines for Mordre to let him kill something.

Now, who will be their Fred and Ethel?

>>325383
Sorry, meant >>/quest/176631

As we killed two more heroes, can we get two more hero stat-cards?And I don't know if we got our crazy-warrior stat card or not.

And, I wonder, is it possible for these traits to incrase in any way? If so, have any of our men inceased in any noticable way yet?

>>325441
Yes, the stat cards can change, but usually it will be in the aftermath of having one of those 'THE FRUITS OF MY LABOR ARE TO BE HAD' type moments, where one is made aware how different they are than before. As of yet, no one's card has changed notable, other than Mordre (Still need to figure out that.... Eh, fuck it. Just do try to discover that primary function, will you? You have already narrowed down what it is at least somewhat in quest, in terms of what kind of conditions it needs to have met. ANYWAY

MAGIC:
NOTE: Mordre, as a Soul Grave, is blessed with the combined magical stamina of every soul in his furnace (which discounts hero and mage souls). This means that Mordre is able to recover expended energy much faster than all but the most powerful of magic users. This is true for all Soul Graves, with the rate of their magical energy recover being proportionate to how many souls they possess.
-BLOOD (Daobo The Bloody): Mordre has a heightened affinity with blood of all kinds. This provides a bonus to manipulating Blood Iron (that being the iron in blood cells), but otherwise does not yet have direct uses.
-WILL: Magnetomancy (gift of Lenryt, Verther's soul):[The magic of creating attraction and repulsion between magnetic fields, able to move metal nearly anywhere at any speed with sufficient strength and a servicable anchoring magnetic field, the bigger the better. Mordre is universally capable at any form of Magnetomancy, and is limited only by the magical potency he possesses, which only increases with the consumption of further mages. Currently the equivalent of an experienced and competent Magnetomancer.
-WORLD (minor mages): Comprehension of how to tap Leylines for World magic, but otherwise no capability to draw ambient World magic.

Soulfire:
At the cost of three souls, creates a penultimate fire, able to burn stone, water, metal, anything but a Soul Grave can be reduced to ash by this conflagration. However, there is a limit to how long the flames will persist, and as the souls used to fuel them are used up, the flames will dissipate. Approx. lifespan of flames: 30 seconds

Immortal Genocide:
-Default Function: Upon activation, draws ambient heat, ambient magic and assorted other forms of energy. Requires a 1d20+3 roll, with a 10 required to successfully start or stop the absorption process. Modifiers can be applied due to damage or amount of energy absorbed.
-Primary Function: ?????????????
-Secondary Function: When energy has been successfully collected from the environment via the default function and the absorption process halted, the stored energy can be used to power a burst of magical annulment, rendering spell-casters caught in it's grasp unable to cast temporarily and ending any active magics it touches. The size of the burst is proportional to the amount of energy absorbed during use of the default function. No roll is needed.
-Tertiary Function: The default function can be re-purposed to absorb unbound souls, and start fusing them together into chimeric masses. Each mass usually requires ten ambient souls to be fully formed, and each mass will require a soul from Mordre's personal reserves to properly bind them. At this point, however many masses are created and bound can then manifest as Soul Soldiers, spectral warriors bound to Mordre's will. They require general orders on what to do, but otherwise can handle the specifics of general orders themselves (order them to attack enemies, they won't need to be told how to attack them.). No roll needed. Soul Soldiers vanish after approximately ten minutes.

COMBINED ABILITY: Immortal Genocide Tertiary Function + Soulfire:
Inferno Golem: At the cost of 40 souls from Mordre's reserves, a short lived construct of Soulfire can be created. Capable of flight, blinding to the naked eye and able to incinerate or melt conventional materials with relative ease, the Inferno Golem is a modified Soul Soldier. Among the key differences besides power, Inferno Golem must consume themselves to provide themselves power, and constantly diminish in potency as they take actions (and even by existing). Depending on the amount of activity they endure, they can last anywhere from 30 seconds to 5 minutes. Inferno Golems must also be more intensively controlled to be effective, so the more simultaneously active, the less precise each will be under Mordre's handling.

Soul Nexus, Left Hand:
-ACCELERATOR: When activated, anything that comes into contact with Mordre's hand will, upon losing contact, have it's velocity greatly amplified. This can lead to thrown objects achieving incredible speeds, as well as other potential applications.
-FANG TAKER: When activated, a ghostly skull of gigantic proportions will manifest through Mordre's hand, and phases through inorganic matter while rending living tissue with spectral fangs. Can venture up to three feet from Mordre's hand.

Amaranthine Annihilator (w/ 2 Pristine Souls):
Passively builds a charge by drawing power from Mordre's body movement. All collected charge is then stored, until such point the Amaranthine Annihilator is activated. At this juncture, all charge is expended, creating a beam with strength in proportion to the amount of charge gathered. After sufficient charge has built (the equivalent of three days nonstop marching), the resultant laser will slowly acquire a duration increase, becoming a sustained beam that follows Mordre's line of sight for as long as it last. The beam rapidly pushes massive amounts of heat out of whatever it impacts, with such force and speed that sufficient power can cause those nearby to be burned or even outright incinerated. Conversely, the target becomes frozen so swiftly it explodes, showering the nearby vicinity in razor sharp shards. A charge of four hours spent traveling or otherwise engaging in significant action will provide a sufficient charge to be lethal to all but the largest (or sufficiently magically warded) targets at up to 500 meters. Beyond that, the beam's intensity will slowly degrade with distance, and lethality cannot be assured.

Armaments:
-Steel Fist: Left hand of prodigious size, designed to smash through walls and doors, three feet across at the knuckles. The Immortal Genocide is set in this fist.
-Sable Executioner (HS: Luo of the Winding Path): Three Black Steel ribbons, each some twenty feet long, that take the place of Mordre's right forearm and hand. The ribbons are lined with fine saw teeth, and are subtly edged, with great cutting power. Each individual ribbon can be manipulated independently, and all three ribbons can be wrapped about to form a saw-toothed lance of coiled Black Steel ribbon some seven feet long (with upper arm included, total reach in this state is 13 feet, and uncoiled each ribbon has a range of 25 feet). When so wound, if the point of this coiled lance is placed against an object and forcefully unwound, it can act as a drill until such time it finishes uncoiling (3 seconds maximum, with shorter duration uncoiling having more intense drilling take place). Wounds caused by it have a high chance of infection, are prone to higher amounts of bleeding, and heal more slowly. The Black Steel ribbons are able to saw through hardened targets with sufficient force.
-(Right Shoulder Mount) Anti-Vanguard Blade Launcher (HS: Balboa The Butcher): Carries up to six large, fanged circular blades that can be launched individually. Each blade is capable of cleaving through armor far more effectively than the standard Anti-Infantry rounds. Further, Magnetomancy can be used to control their flight path. Blades create a vacuum field around themselves, and suffer no loss of speed to air friction. Each blade takes 1 hour to regenerate, with multiple able to regenerate simultaneously (10 minutes to regenerate with Magnetomancy fully focused on the act). Range 600 ft (Control via Magnetomancy), 2500 ft (no control)
-(Left Shoulder Mount) Anti-Golem Cannon (HS: Ozmand The Hammer, Balboa The Butcher): An enlarged and elongated cannon with heavy rifling, that fires a massive, spiral etched spike, designed to punch through even large masses of metal. Each shot has incredible piercing power, and anything the shell punches through will be struck by a ghostly hammerblow, able to crush stone and break bones. Further, the shell creates a potent vacuum about itself, and is able to maintain maximum velocity until impact. The round is larger and more complex than normal, and takes three hours rather than one to regenerate (30 minutes with dedicated Magnetomancy use). Further, the cannon itself takes up extra room, the massive cylinder of the cannon protruding both to the front and rear of the golem’s shoulder. Range 30ft+ (The cannon's maximum range is now only limited by what Mordre can perceive and direct it to target.)

Crazy warrior, as you call Ulzrick, will have a stat card in the near future, along with Ellorika and Vespinto.



Any other questions? Thoughts or comments on the quest?

Well, I'd love to see the stat-block for DAOBO THE BLOODY, BALBOA THE BUTCHER, and FANG-TAKER, meself...did we miss any souls of heros we've eaten or people we've metand know enough about?

Is there any way to use the liquid metal research to make that fist bigger and smaller at will?

>>325452
Specifically I meant the Steel Fist.

>>325450
...I am not making post-mortem stat blocks for consumed souls, I am making them only for living/existing individuals that have been encountered and either become an ally.... or an enemy.

ON THAT NOTE: DULU

Dulu The Golemslayer And Golemslain Traits and Abilities:
--Premen Blooded: Dulu is half Premen, his father having been captured by a roving Premen raiding party, and claimed by one as a prize. After Dulu was born, he grew to hate his puny father, so weak and subservient, and strived to emulate his warrior mother. He eventually become regarded as the roaming band of plunderers' communal son, finding a replacement father in all the male warriors of the group. Eventually though, his mother fell in battle against another Premen war-party, one vastly their superior in size, and as the rest of his makeshift family was butchered he fled, down south into the human lands. Since then he made a name for himself as a capable mercenary, with a natural strength that no full-blooded human can match.
--Heroic Awareness: Dulu has focused most of his pursuit of magic into improving his perceptions, deducing that as a Golemslayer, avoiding an attack requires perceiving it. He has since pushed his talents in the realm of augmented perception into the pre-cognitive realm, achieving a form of 'danger-sense' that gives him limited forewarning about attacks before he even becomes conscious of having percieved the threat. This allows him to be highly evasive and exceptionally difficult to hit unless he is attack with sufficient speed or numbers that awareness cannot help him.
--Extensive Golem Experience: Dulu has been hunting golems of all sorts for a decade, and has destroyed or rendered inoperable more than four hundred golems of all sorts. As such, he is much less likely to lose his focus, become hesitant or be surprised by the capabilities of any relatively normal clay, wood or stone golem. Soul Graves are too rare for him to be overly familiar with them, and Life golems too varied for any universal rules, but his other experience bleeds through, making him dangerous even against golems he has not seen before.

>>3253452
Yes, that is very possible, but two things to consider:
-This would require a substantial amount of morphic fluid, and would put a significant dent in your reserves, which you still know of no way to restore.
-This would only increase the size and mass of the fist, it would not make Mordre stronger.

Otherwise yes, this can be made to happen... whenever, you already have the data on how to give morphic fluid treatments to metal objects for the purposes of creating a larger alternate form.


Anyone else have some questions or comments?

>>325459
Aww. I would loveto see those stat-blocks, because I really like the way you do them. Very...intresting.

Also, I like to see what parts in our battle we -missed-, sadly.

The funny thing is, that as soon as I got the drill idea, I see it here.

Here's a nice thought. We lead an army to conquer something and they all get slain!. Oh no! Then we eat half of them and use those souls to make the other half soul soilders that just run through the walls and execute all our enemies in the ten minutes that they are alive! If we ever get better at soul magic, I'm sure we can extend the effect exponentially. OUR SOLDIERS SHALL SERVE US FOREVER!!!!

One thing I want to know Bob, can we eat the soul soldiers and regain souls?

>>325461
Nope, Soul Soldiers and Inferno Golems are one-way investment of souls, they cannot be reclaimed.

Also, I would just like to say: The "Point of View of the Enemy" Perspective shift teaser at the beginning of this thread?

Awesome.

Too bad we can't use it, but eh...such is the price of good dramatic tension.

I do have a question: Barboa's Soul effect is a vacuum field around the path of our shots, right?

Does it also render them near silent when fired?

>-ACCELERATOR: When activated, anything that comes into contact with Mordre's hand will, upon losing contact, have it's velocity greatly amplified.

>PUNCH WALL
>USE ACCELERATOR
>ACCELERATE PARTS OF WALL PUNCHED AND IN MOTION
>HOLE

>>325467
For the blade launcher, yes, completely silent. But the Anti-Golem cannon uses soulfire based explosive propulsion in addition to magnetic acceleration, and as such would still make noise. The sound is much more muffled than before as the vacuum blocks noise from exiting until the shell has fully cleared the barrel.

>>325469
K.

Also, regarding Immortal Genocide's function: I'm pretty sure the reason no one's figure out the primary function is because no one has bothered to try, given that hte secondary and tertiary functions are so goddamn useful. But I'm pretty sure the primary function is just activated the energy suck, storing the energy, and then striking something.

I'll post the suggestion in-quest.

We already tried that.

>>325502
No, we tried that WITHOUT any charge in Immortal Genocide. The reaction was faint, but there was an activation on impact.

agree, absorb then punch.. sounds like it would focus all the energy into a single point instead of a field.

>>325467
I thought the "meanwhile, at the villian's lair" was nice too, at firt.

But then after I read
>>325459
I was all "Noooo! I know exactly where Dulu is going to go next, and I have some idea of the problems he will cause there, but have not even the faintest clue in character! Curse you Bob!" Then I fell to my knees, raised my fists to the heavens, and yelled DUUULUUUU!

Dulu totally thinks Mordre's tower is somewhere in the Premen's mountains, and it won't take him much poking around to hear about our pet tribe.

This idea came to me a few minutes ago. The curse has augmented Mordre in such a way that his soul furnace does not completely destroy the souls of those devoured. When we have a moment of inspiration, it equates to weak clairvoyance and the magic gathered and released by the act is imbued in a soul giving it a boost in power, creating a Pristine soul.
The fist part of this theory wold explain why Mordre is showing a wider range of emotions and feelings now. The fragments of souls that he has consumed are influencing his mental structure.

>>325536
This possesses at least one completely true portion concerning Mordre's ability to use Pristine Souls. I cannot say more than that, lest I invalidate the competition.

>>325528
I am in dispair as well my friend, for if Dulu travels to the frostbacks, the Drazken will promptly kick his ass and rob us of our trophy once more. I like Lorgk as much as the next guy, but I just don't think I could forgive him if he was the one to end Dulu once and for all. I mean Weinsho could revive him once more if he lost, but I highly doubt he would if Dulu lost to someone that isn't us. And yes, I have full confidence that Lorgk alone could wipe the floor with Dulu.

>>325556
Hooray!

>>325556
I bet it's the part where Mordre's soul furnace doesn't destroy souls utterly. It burns away the IMPURITIES to give him power. Thus, every soul 'consumed' becomes Pristine. However, we cannot USE that soul until...

What are impurities in a soul? Perhaps... personality? The mind? When Mordre's soul furnace burns souls, that impurity is soaked into his form. He gains a mind of his own. THUS, when he uses that mind to its fullest, a Pristine Soul is attracted to that 'missing piece' and comes clawing up. It wants to be with the mind it has lost.

Arkus used the command scroll, and 'restarted' the Golem, but the minds of those Pristine Souls were already ingrained into Mordre and thus Arkus could not control us.

I wonder if the Creature we've met fed off of Mordre's Pristine Soul supply when he was immobile?

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Modre, 20 years in the future.

mmmhm. It lacks shoulder canon. Also, razor hand.

>>325744
Backstory (of teh future Mordre): After the fight with that super mage (soon to me named),Mordre was only able to recover one claw from the Sable Executioner, the heavy one. He then modified his arm with the revolver specs he got so long ago so that it could still be effective against large opponents. Now having a lack of infantry weapons, Mordre used the designs recovered from his fallen foe to modify his mortars and AG cannon to hold more shots at a time. The result is what you see before you.
Except the heat horn, replace that with the AA. >.> (And do you not see the massive shoulders on that thing? All the extra armaments are stored in there because as a king it didn't look good having 30 drills sticking out over of his shoulder when he took a walk among the populace)

Question: What does the Swift and the Strong souls do for us again? And are these souls increasing in power as we use blood magic?

>>325804
that's probably how blood iron is making us faster, as we get more it makes the swift guy more powerful.

I know, but if that's true, we should be getting more power from our other souls, too...which is what I'm wondering about - how do the souls seem to be affected and such.

>>325760
Merrack The Swift: passively increases the speed at which Mordre can move (Mordre would not be as fast with or without Magnetomancy without this soul.

Fragment of Thomro The Strong: Part of the Soul Nexus in Mordre's left fist, governs the Accelerator power, after Fang-Taker's soul harmonized with the ghostly knuckles it previously would cause to manifest, creating the Spectral Gorging Anima.

And no, using blood magic as you know it is not empowering these souls... though SOMETHING happens when you consume Blood metal, maybe if you consumed more, or took the time to study some Blood Iron, you could figure out what is going on.

>>325806
The extent of what Mordre has percieved, concerning links between Blood Iron/Blood magic and the souls Mordre carries, is as follows: Whenever Mordre has added more Blood Iron to his form, he has felt some sort of reaction that made him think of restlessness, vigor and life in general from the Hero souls the golem has.

Does that answer your question?
[And no, I can't outright tell you what is going on, as that is something that Mordre needs to figure out in-quest]

Any other questions?

would getting the other part of Thomro from that small tomb change our soul nexus or just make Thomro's part, the Accelerator, more powerful?

>>325808
Both, though the change would mostly be based around Thomro's soul. As is, it is in charge of Accelerator, but prior to consuming Fang Taker, it guided those ghost knuckles, now the Spectral Gorging Anima. Feasting on the rest of Thomro's soul would empower said soul, and likely make it's facet of the Soul Nexus much more capable.

>>325807
Alright, I was wondering if it was something we knew but because we haven't been using any hero souls it wasn't apparent - i.e. the Spectral Gorging Anima being twice as big now, or that being what has made our magic power greater.

So we now have some magic to study when we get back home. Nice!

Who is Gavrock?

>>325835
Seems like a in/famous weaponsmith, based on the weapons we got with his name and Jezebel's musings.

>>325836
Well, I more meant 'do we know who this is so we sound reasonably intelligent next time or not' And, if we did, any interesting tidbits like-say the Twins were just part of a whole set that will turn the wielder into pure badassery.

Ok, I was going to save this for the battle, but just in case I forget.
If you find yourself in super close combat, activate the ACCELERATOR and poke the steam golem. That's right, poke it, or flick it in the forehead if you so desire.

So, can/will we get a stat block on Gialgorra's steam golem? Also, how would using our pristine soul on our magnetomancy effect us? Would it increase the power of the action for several seconds or would it somehow give us a permanent bonus in proficiency?

>>325858
Yeah, I -do- wanna grab and just start tossing assholes. We need to try this next time, and doing it to the Golem would be fun. Hey, new sunroof.

>>325860
After we beat it, not before, remember?

I sort of want to use a pristine soul on Immortal genocide to make its activation and use less of a liability.

>>325865
Meh, fine. Second question still stands.

>>325835
A mage-inventor who worked on Golgan island several years ago, and vanished just shy of a decade ago. His works are well respected, and yes, the Twins Of Gavrock are part of a set of magitech items. And no, I will not tell you what those other items are here, you have to find them in the quest.

>>325858
A viable tactic, but against hardened targets of sufficient mass, it will just disbalance them, rather than, say sending them flying, for shoving a piece of them out of their body, or some such. If you gained the rest of Thomro's soul/otherwise enhanced the Soul Nexus, then this would change.

>>325860
Statblock on the Steam Golem ONLY in the case you EITHER beat it, or find some way to recruit Gialgorra (and with him, the Steam Golem)

Using a Pristine Soul on Magnetmancy would give it EITHER a temporary but drastic boost, OR a permanent, passive enhancement of a lesser size. Would be determined randomly with a d2 roll (I will do this roll if we come to this), 1 being drastic but temporary, 2 being minor/moderate but sustained.

>>325868
This is viable, but the pristine soul will EITHER make the Immortal Genocide default function easier (will take 2 Pristine souls to completely do away with the need for rolling) by granting a larger bonus to the D20 roll. Say, from D20+3 to D20+6, with the DC (10) remaining the same.


Any other questions or comments?

Would Mordre know where to start a search for the Relics of Gavrock or should he start asking around?

>>325876
Asking and footwork, currently no idea where they could be, in quest, other than that you found the Twins on Golgan island, and that at least two people knew the name there.

>>325875
>EITHER make the Immortal Genocide default function easier, by granting a bigger bonus etc

Or what?

Tactics discussion for the upcoming battle anyone? It would behoove us to at least come up with a general strategy before fighting the thing. We can update it as we watch the upcoming fights as well.

First thing we should cover is that getting into a close quarters fight with it would not be a good idea. It's got a potent melee tool that can cut through our armor, and it's probably faster than we are. We should keep that accelerator flick idea in our back pocket in case it gets into range with us, a quick tap should let us get away or give us a chance to strike it with our siege fist.

It's steam won't bother us too much, perhaps obscuring our vision some, but we can play into that. Throw our voice in different directions if we can. Use our magnetomacy to sense it in the smoke and make it's own defense work against itself.

At long range all it seems to have is a weapon with retrievable ammo, perhaps a harpoon. It'd be simple enough to alter it's course with our magic or even grapple onto it and try to sever it's connection with the Sable Executioner.

The things I really want to try though are hitting it's brain case with a well placed shot, perhaps burning a pristine soul. Alternatively we can try and close off it's exhaust pipes. Alternatively we could close off it's exhaust pipes using our magnetomancy and let it warm up until it's piping hot, then freeze it rapidly with our Amaranthine Annihilator it should stress the things metal quite a bit.

>>325884
Again, do we -want- to take out the CANTI or make friends with DR STEEL? Because, honestly, I wanna make friends with Dr. Steel. I -really- think we should come to some agreement beforehand. I mean, this is like...Destroying the David.

>>325884
Steam is all about PRESSURE. what we should do is find the safety valves, and destroy them or block them, as well as exhaust. Once the pressure builds too far...

Well, I'm sure a few of you have seen the Water Heater Rocket episode of Mythbusters. :3

>>325886
>implying that he doesn't have the plans made up

He can build another, one that would be even better.

>>325888
Mhm. Maybe. I'd still like to put forward the idea 'lets beat it until it can't move anymore' because we're nice...and it's -amazing-.

>>325884
The thing I'm worried about is the Electric charge attack. If it's anything like Jezebels weapon, then it'll fuck with our reactions and speed unless we can come up with a countermeasure.

Perhaps the Rune would help. If it's effect on us is based on our conductive composition, perhaps changing our makeup via the Rune would help us resist it's effects.

Otherwise, we'll need to rely on our magnetomancy and hope it can be used to direct electrical current within our own body.

>>325890
Going easy on it is going to get us killed, if its even half as good as we've been lead to believe.

Gialgorra wouldn't have put it at risk of destruction if he wasn't capable of reconstructing it. And if he IS doing that, then he's a dangerous incompetent. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, here.

>>325892
true, full force it is.

By the way: Bob mentioned that the level of lethality here is supposed to be similar to the fight with The Metal, if you remember that from Ant Quest.

>>325894
I am not familiar with Ant quest. How lethal is that?

Well, we've now that we've just learned it has a drill canon mode I can say I'm actually quite fearful for Mordre.

>>325894
If this is anything like the metal than we're looking at a serious boss fight here. I doubt this guy has the Metal's endurance, but he makes up for it in sheer attack power.

Also, would it be possible to absorb the soul from the heroic soul of the soon to be fallen small tomb that is going to attend the contest?

maybe if we go up to the owner look at him, look at his golem and say "dibs"

>>325896

In addition to these have another question, though not related. How do the Premen view the Morgren, considering the Premen were used as a base in the creation the Morgren? Does the Premen's reverence for strength cause them to view the creatures as avatars of war, almost like an ideal Premen or do they view them as freakishly grotesque perversions of their people and ideals?

>>325895
In Ant Quest, The Metal was a powerful wasp with a nearly iron carapace: hence the name. He stayed in the Arena and challenged enemies of his Empire, crippling them and rendering them into a life of sad worthlessness.

We only managed to kill him by firing shards of his own steel carapace into him, and even then, just barely. Scars then was about as strong as Mordre is now, just with different tricks.

If we pay close attention to these fights ahead, we'll be armed with very good knowledge, especially if we tell Mordre specifically how the golem transforms so he can lock it up with the Sable ribbons. Furthermore, middle range is Mordre's specialty, with close a very near second. We want to close the distance while blowing him away. The AA should be charged now, we have AG shells, we have our discs and plenty of souls.

We even have a pristine soul!

>>325899
2, actually.

>>325899
>Scars then was about as strong as Mordre is now
>an ant was as strong as a soul-eating golem

>>325902
Relatively.

Scars was literally a walking airjet with hammers for feet and a fucking SUN GUN for jaws, and he could briefly make himself into a spear.

If Scars was made into a scaled up Soul Forge, it'd be a scary as fuck fight.

Wow, I kind of always thought of Scars as weak, waiting for his big break, that jazz. If Mordre is comparable to him at that time I think that we are in trouble.

We probably can't use the Inferno Golem during the match either. The match is Golem vs Golem not Golem vs Golem and Golem and Golem......

>>325905
sure we can, creating inferno golems is a power of mordre so it is perfectly legal.

>>325907
I thought about that and it still does not seem fair, its like fighting against a combat capable Von Newman machine.

>>325907
This.
So far We've gotten a decent look at the steam golem's close combat abilities. I wouldn't particularly want to fight him in close combat with Mordre other than to hit him with our siege fist.
Speaking of the our siege fist, we might be able to discover the IGs primary function.

Before we fire the AA or the Anti-Golem cannon we should lower the steam golem's maneuverability, I don't want to waste any of resources, it may be a long drawn out battle. To lower his maneuverability we could have the inferno golem attack his legs as a last resort sort of thing. We should keep the Inferno golem as a secret weapon for later in the fight, it's overpowered but we can't rely on it for everything. I'm thinking we could hold the vanguard blades hovering around him, partially to direct his movements, partly to take swipes at his legs with them, partly to keep him back while we attack with the Sable Executioner, and partly to deflect the drill when he fires it at us.

During the fight with poor little Silicanthos Mordre better be testing the steam golem's reactions to magnetomancy, possibly slowing CANTI a bit so Silicanthos can get in an extra hit or two.

>>325913
Cheating will get us FUCKED UP. Better not.

>>325915
How exactly will they know? They can't sense us using magnetomancy. CANTI's claw just might cut through Silicanthos a little more slowly than before. You never know.