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17120 No. 17120 ID: 288dda

I seem to be running a quest and I'm not entirely sure how this happened.

So, here's this thread. I'm going to throw a bit of setting info out tonight in an organized fashion but feel free to ask things, discuss amongst yourselves, and criticize my art and writing. (Constructively, I hope.)
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No. 21394 ID: 8bdb6a

If Sal isn't the PoV next chapter, we'll probably need to pick a new body, either as a new character or the last one.
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No. 21395 ID: aa557a

>If Sal is the PoV next chapter, we'll probably need to pick a new body

Fixed. And don't forget the outfit.
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No. 21533 ID: 649123

>>331177
...
>>/questdis/331278

Man, if that's crap you drew on your brunch(?) break, I'd be more than happy to see with what you could come up with. I've appreciated the others as well.

Saging my own thread for non-contribution. Lyan returns to the discussion thread on Wed!
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No. 21551 ID: d560d6
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>>331333
>Lyan returns to the discussion thread on Wed!
Well, that should prove interesting.
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No. 21782 ID: f202ec
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21782

What exactly is an exocortex? Hardware embedded in the neurons? External private computational mass? Shared server space? The answer is probably "all of those." You could say that it's a catchall term for the interface between the internal and the external, but it goes beyond that. It's also all of the software involved - personal agents that know how you think. I don't mean that metaphorically, either.

At a basic level, it's a bit like having a psychic link to the world around you. Doors open and close at your approach, lights brighten and dim according to your personal preferences, park benches appear when you want a seat, machinery responds to your thoughts, and mental communication is possible at any distance. There's more to it than that, of course. In addition to instant recall of any factoid you can think of, any mature system will be doing that constantly for you without conscious input - observing, pulling facts, discarding unwanted ones, caching the remainder in short-term storage, noting your preferences for future optimization. For instance, it's literally impossible to accidentally forget an acquaintance's name. If you've met someone, it will be on the tip of your tongue before you consciously realize they are present.

The hardware also includes the ability to fork your cognitive processes; it takes somewhere between 20 to 80g of matter to run a human brain. Obviously that's not the most efficient method of general-purpose computation, but it does mean we're capable of literally thinking about several things at a time. Most people probably have the enough embedded computational mass to run 3-4 local copies... I almost hate to ask how many Sal is capable of. For rather silly historic reasons, hardware is sometimes measured in "Turings" - the number of human-equivalent simulations it can run simultaneously.

I suppose the term also (erroneously) includes any miscellany involved such as embedded medical monitoring systems and self-repair. Not that they're actually that great; maybe the best metaphor I could make for you is that no one worries about properly maintaining a disposable razor blade. I don't think reliable, general-purpose medical nano has been common since before the founding of the Network.

Speaking of the Network, I understand there is some confusion regarding metric time? It's simple, really. Every 100Ksec is one official diem, and the clock wraps back to 0 at midnight. We don't have actual nights on a habitat, but generally the lights dim between 80K and 25K. "Day" refers to planetary rotations, a nonstandard unit for that minority that still live on one.

Here's some somewhat-wrong but easy-to-remember conversions: 25K (just the thousands, i.e. "25" when referring to time-of-diem) would be analogous to 6am, 50 is noon, 75 is 6pm, 0 is midnight. 4Ksec is an hour and change. 100Ksec is a bit over a day. 1Msec is obviously 10 diem, or about 11.5 Earth days. 1Gsec is about 32 years. Small periods are usually fractions of a K or in hundreds - "back in half a K" or "give me about 300 for this."

This is already absurdly long, but next time I could talk about my... sergal-ness, bio-fashions, and the historical study of late pre-Acceleration culture, if you like.

...and as to what "profound disassociation of the exocortex" actually means... I'm not entirely sure. I think it could best be described as literally losing my mind. Nearly all of my senses and my memories. It's degenerative brain damage on a scale that... I don't think you can even comprehend. The thought is terrifying. Worse than death. I'll be a cripple trapped in my own mind.

...
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No. 21786 ID: d560d6

>>331582
...and you must scream?
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No. 21860 ID: 3234dd

I think I understand. "Exocortex" as you have described is a term similar to "body". The actual perception of our body even today happens in a very tiny part of the brain, and only by the nerves connecting to the body parts do we indirectly control it. Yet we have the illusion of "being" our body instead of merely driving it, even though the body we actually percieve is a virtual one.

So your Exocortex would physically be some kind of antenna and extensive cryptography and signal processing circuitry. But perceptually your exocortex would also be the machinery around you that is directly controlled by transmissions from that antenna. That abstraction allows for automation of things like spatial calculations, so that making a bench right where your butt is supposed to be is as easy as clasping your hands together.

Anyway, talking about your sergal-ness there is one question that has really been haunting me as it might have extremely important implications for your quest, your world, and the future itself. Tell me, is 4chan still online? Is 4chan still online??
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No. 21867 ID: a41aaf

>>331660
>The actual perception of our body even today happens in a very tiny part of the brain
BCI researchfag here. I feel compelled to point out that technically, though not a particularly large proportion of our brain is dedicated to directly receiving signals form the body (such as touch, proprioception, etc), this is augmented a metric shit-ton by the brain simulating the body's internal state though sensory fusion. This is demonstrated by the elimination of phantom limb pain (and more interestingly, ACTUAL chronic limb pain) through the mirror trick: If a mirror is placed tangential to a person face such that looking left shows only a reflection of their right arm, the patient will experience touching and movement of the right arm to also be occurring to the left arm, even when the left arm is motionless, anaesthetised, or simply not present. There is also the phenomena where a person with lower limb nerve damage (or someone who is rather drunk) will have more success when balancing and walking looking down at their legs than when looking straight ahead.

The upshot of this for your Exocortex idea is: a lot of environmental interaction will involve actual looking at and touching the object being interacted with. Artificial proprioception alone will probably not be sufficient. Practical example, when activating a door and backing through it, the unconscious reflex will be to turn and look at the door, or place a hand upon it to feel it open, even with full wireless proprioceptive feedback that the door has opened behind you. This is not an unconscious 'distrust' of the externally provided sensory data, but simply that the brain is wired to combine sensory data from multiple channels.
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No. 21868 ID: d560d6

>>331582
The brain your parents gave you as a birthday present. Where is it, young man? Have you lost it?
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No. 21903 ID: f202ec

Chapter 2 delayed another day or two while I figure out WTF I'm doing. My test readers could make neither heads nor tails of it.
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No. 21906 ID: fbb29f

>>331703
What's the problem with that? That's what I feel like about the whole quest...


Just joking man, you're doing great work. Keep it up.
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No. 21919 ID: 383547

>>331582
>This is already absurdly long, but next time I could talk about my... sergal-ness, bio-fashions, and the historical study of late pre-Acceleration culture, if you like.

Please do!

Are bio-fashions something like a certain body-type becoming a fad or something?
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No. 21931 ID: 3234dd

>>331667

Is that also why you learn better when combining visual, kinesthetic and auditory type strategies instead of only using one to try to teach people?
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No. 21939 ID: f202ec
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21939

>>331731
You forgot olfactory! I can't smell a lime without remembering tensor calculus.

...which is actually kind of annoying.
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No. 21972 ID: 6547ec

>>331739
I'm pretty sure that precise reason is why you guys invented the Lethe centers.
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No. 21973 ID: 3234dd

>>331739

Yep, they sure did forget olfactory. Which is kind of sad considering how stimulating the olfactory sense makes the most powerful and long lasting memories of all.
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No. 21974 ID: e973f4

>>331582
Sure, talk about your sergal-ness. We can compare it to the other sergals' descriptions of --- okay I can't type this with a straight face.

... Or however that idiom translates into this medium.
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No. 22796 ID: f202ec
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22796

Sorry about the delays; I have been preparing to move and moving for what feels like an eternity but is really just a week or so. Schedule should return to approximately daily updates by the weekend.

As a consolation, have a thing. I think it accurately represents sentiment on both sides of the DM screen, at least a little.
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No. 22797 ID: 27a48f

Yes.

... Yes.
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No. 22798 ID: d560d6

>>332596
Could be!

Although at least so far we haven't had to make a fake moustache out of cat hair.
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No. 22828 ID: e31d52

>>332596
Yes. This is how it looks to an onlooker.
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No. 22856 ID: 81343b

>>332596
I never really paid much attention to the quest other than going "YAY SERGALS!" and then looking at something else :P
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No. 22865 ID: 620bfb

>>332596
Yeah. I enjoy this quest, but I never really know what the hell is going on at any given chance to suggest.
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No. 22960 ID: d560d6

>Don't forgive Sal yet. Killing you without warning and decapitating you to build a spaceship out of your body might have been something it had to do, but it should have said something.

...how was Sal supposed to explain fully and get consent from Lyan in the short time afforded? Talking is not a free action when you're exposed to hard vacuum and supposed to be dying. They did ask for the sword and apologise in advance.

Let's not antagonise the gelatinous and irascible sophont who currently seems to want to keep us alive, if nothing else.

Also: are we taking it as read that Lyan knows his sword turned him into an Ion drive, or do we have to do a little "why did you cut of my head, and what do you mean building materials" dance?
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No. 22962 ID: c71597

>>332760
Could have said something like "Sorry, have to do this to save us both." or "This hurt me more emotionally than you might believe." of course alot of it is simply my own paranoia against Sal and slight dislike of it. Don't trust that damn thing, and its willingness to leave its own friends for dead out in cold hard vacuum is not exactly trust building.
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No. 22964 ID: d560d6

>>332762
>willingness to leave its own friends for dead
>>/questarch/215193
>"Where are the others? Mika wasn't sealed!"
>[Szen is taking care of her.]

Mostly, Sal just seems to have your average geek social skill deficiencies. Thankfully, also a certain degree of pragmatic ruthlessness in a emergency. That is a good trait to have.

It'd worry more about a big The Game-style conspiracy planting Sal with us to manipulate us into jumping off a roof more than I would Sal intrinsically being against us.
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No. 23104 ID: 0b2a05

>>332760
She clearly knows more about this shit. If she had handled it better, maybe the habitat wouldn't even have exploded.
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No. 23105 ID: d560d6

>>332904
Maybe the world is made of pudding.

I'm all for a degree of caution, but let's try to stick to things we have some evidence of.
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No. 24063 ID: d677cc

Hey, anyone else noticing that Sal has been conspicuously avoiding giving questions in re: death straight answers? "Am I still dying" didn't get a clear answer, and both times Lyan has asked what happens if his pirate copy goes out he got completely blown off.

Hmmmmmmmm.
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No. 25143 ID: f123de
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25143

>>/quest/245049

For Mneme. How did you know?!
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No. 25529 ID: fd6d7e

>>334943

waahahahaha
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No. 25614 ID: 27e02d

So, uh. Just caught up with this quest and wanted to say some things.
First, I found it highly enjoyable. The setting is interesting, the opt-in/opt-out society stuff is unusual and has my curiosity piqued, the science is pleasantly soft and juicy.

I also want to commend how the intimacy with Sal was portrayed. Mature, adult, sure, but not sleazy or overdone. Handled well.

I... don't have much to complain about with the art or the writing, either.
The art is good, the little touches interesting. Things like that ferrofluidic statue really help in making things feel... tangible? The vaccuum rat party also looked brilliant, and the disaster scenes looked great, with the visuals matching the mood of what was going on. Vague, chaotic.
(Oh my, so much happy gushing.)

I'm very much looking forward to being able to participate and suggest for the next sessions.

So, uh. Is this kind of feedback desired? Was it too much? At any rate, two thumbs up, Ñ.
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No. 27030 ID: f123de
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27030

I mentioned it already in >>336457, but I'll repeat myself just this once and stop.

I never expected my quest to be terribly popular. It's complicated and the setting is very alien and it has walls of text and fake sergals. However, I did hope it might pick up momentum - and readers - as it went along. I've tried to make things most straightforward and direct, and in response my active readership seems to have plummeted.

I have plenty more story to tell, and I'd really like to see how this plays out myself. It's just hard to spend so much time for so little response.

If you read my quest and stopped, what turned you away?
Where did I jump the shark?
Would hanging out on IRC and posting update notices actually help?


(miscellany)

>>336544
I appreciated your comments in the other thread, Bite. But really? YOU stopped reading because of non-graphic violence? I'm... a bit confused.

>>335414
My apologies for taking forever to write this response. Thanks for taking the time to critique and for the compliment. It was much appreciated.
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No. 27043 ID: a09a03

I get the feeling that whenever I try to offer advice, I just prove how much I've missed the point of whatever I'm talking about and inadvertently insult whoever I'm talking to. But, if you're going to throw around terms like shark-jumping, I guess I should give it a shot.

Personally speaking, I feel some dissonance and confusion over how we've got this quest about unbelievable ultratech networking mind-state copying immortal hacker displaying mind boggling capabilities beyond the ken of mere mortals who don't have 30% of their skull volume devoted to computronium...

...But what's actually happening is that we're lost in the woods throwing rocks at unicorns. And we're looking for this old guy who can help us in some way. I don't know how he's going to help us. I guess he's some kind of ultra-hacker who lives in the woods. Unless I'm forgetting, we didn't really have the option of not doing that, either.

I couldn't tell you anything about where we are except that we're in a habitat called 32-N115-ADZJ, which contains a forest with unicorns.

I do like the overall setting, and I want to see what happens, and see the big mystery solved, but I don't have a clue how to bring that about. All I can think to suggest is "okay, keep going."
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No. 27057 ID: b94610

>>336830
aside from the 'bar to readership' things I said in the other thread, you will also generally get fewer suggestions the more dangerous the situation is. When everything is safe, people don't see a danger in throwing in their two cents. When things look grim or difficult, then nobody suggests because they don't want to fuck things up.

You also might have some people being like "this isn't really what I signed up for" with the more 'traditional' fantasy/adventure type thing that's going on right now.

>
I appreciated your comments in the other thread, Bite. But really? YOU stopped reading because of non-graphic violence? I'm... a bit confused.
I find it rather tiresome to have to explain that I can have likes and dislikes just because I sometimes draw graphic violence. I mean, what? must I be pleased with things I'd rather not see? I'm not following you at all.
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No. 27059 ID: 2563d4

>>336843
Pretty much. At least at the moment we have faaaairly known constraints (e.g. we know we can't turn Sal into a microlite and fly there...I think); whenever it's into system space the range of possible actions is basically an unknown so suggestions boil down to "well, um, do whatever thing it is that counters the thing, then".
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No. 27078 ID: a1591c

>>336857
I think the point is more.. "you may dislike it but I can't see how you could be offended, so why are you going to stop reading the quest over one scene?"
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No. 27082 ID: 632591

>>336878
I wasn't offended at all. It's just something I'd rather not see. Also, it's basically still going on. I'm pretty much waiting for them to get to out of this area. I didn't stop reading forever because he did one thing.
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No. 27083 ID: 632591

>>336882
This is me. Fergot my stuff and things.
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No. 27086 ID: eb3e24

(damn this thing it dumped me back to the main page when I posted)

Bite, apologies for singling you out. Would be interested in more talk - on irc, probably. Thanks for the honesty.

Will say more when I return home, I suppose.
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No. 27245 ID: 57411e

>Venji suggestions

What the fuck, Dylan?
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No. 27446 ID: 6547ec

>>337045
Slinkoboy complained about how he always feels he has to do ALL SUGGESTIONS ALL THE TIME.
N complained that he has no suggestions.
Now they're both confused!

Also, as stupid as it seems, I pretty much hold off from suggesting in this quest because the quest feels too smart for me. Like there are fifty things to keep track of, but I've forgotten 49.5 of them since the last update, even when neither of those are actually the case. Oddly, I had an easier time keeping things together in the first chapter, before you tried to pare things down and simplify. I think my brain is just miswired lately.
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No. 27462 ID: 8d7dd2

I had a sudden brain wave. I think I know the main problem with the sudden setting change.

It was meant to make things simpler, but it's also made things much, much more complicated.

Why? I mean, now we're with things we can equate to, right? Wrong. We're with things we can equate to that are by themselves extensions upon what we already knew of the universe. Metaphors applied to some subset of the universe where the old rules are still very much in effect, but new ones are also in effect as well.

The universe has been made more complicated by the fact it now contains not only the complicated post-scarcity society, but a simulacrum of a fantasy world that is layered on top of this society in addition to the stuff that some people found hard to follow.

In attempting to simplify the situation, the genre of the quest was not shifted towards fantasy. No, now it is some hybrid of both the previous far-future sci-fi and its fantasy scenario in addition. It has become more complicated rather than less because of this.

There's no real suggestion I can think of to fix this either, which kind of irks me because I don't like to point out flaws without some sort of suggestion as to how to resolve them.

These are just my thoughts, though. They're probably not very clear.
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No. 27567 ID: 27e02d

Some simple points, from my perspective:
MISSION:
Find Sal's contact, that ancient conciousness Sal knows is on the habitat.

GENERAL DANGERS:
The local populace. No assemblers. Our own diseased head killing anything it touches, given time.

IMMEDIATE DANGERS: We're being hunted by unicorn riders.

COURSE OF ACTION: Defeat/evade riders, seek out the ancient conciousness.


Those are the most immediate concerns for the characters themselves. Nothing too complex.
How things turn out after we've found the conciousness is a later concern, a concern I'm very much looking forward to.
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No. 27974 ID: f123de

>>337246
This is a valid point, and so I put together a list of observably known traits for our protagonist and his traveling companion. I will try to get this moved to the wiki soon so it's easy to keep up-to-date.

Things Lyan can do

Melee combat, especially with a fencing blade
Throw weapons accurately
Perform several mental actions at once
Think quickly and logically in stressful situations
Write code, especially related to computer security
Communicate silently via radio to most humans and computers
Modify, add, or remove sensory input
Create virtual reality simulations without hardware
Perform moderate physical exertion (e.g. jogging) for approximately 20 hours without rest
Perform heavy exertion (running, fighting) for approximately an hour
Heal quickly without risk of infection
Resist damage from most mundane weapons due to subdermal armor threads and composite bones
Alter his biochemistry / neurochemistry for various purposes
Successfully arm-wrestle a chimpanzee
Infect Network computers simply by having his brain scanned


Things Lyan can't do well

Diplomacy
Go without food or water for extended periods
Breathe vacuum
Not infect Network computers while having his brain scanned
Access his intellectual property


Things Sal can do

Alter its shape and color
Survive without food, water, or air
Ignore damage from most mundane sources
Generate several MW of power
Access Lyan's brain (both cryogenically frozen and living)
Apparently also a good hacker
Slowly assemble matter from elements
Does not tire from physical exertion?
Does not need to sleep?
See via sonar
Sal possesses the following traits:
# Blind (but has the blindsight special quality), with immunity to gaze attacks, visual effects, illusions, and other attack forms that rely on sight.
# Immunity to poison, sleep effects, paralysis, polymorph, and stunning.
# Not subject to critical hits or flanking.


Things Sal apparently can't do

Avoid speaking its mind
Remove the biological portions of the basilisk?
See why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch™
See anything else in the visible part of the electromagnetic spectrum
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No. 27980 ID: e43bfe

The main reason I don't suggest is because I'm a goddamn moron.
The rest is pretty much what >>337262 said.
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No. 28005 ID: 2563d4

03:50 < MysteriousMister> How many quest protagonists have successfully implimented seduction?
...
03:53 < LionsPhil> Sal has basically wrested control of Lyan away from /quest/ since all we suggest these days is "what Sal said".
03:53 < LionsPhil> So that was an NPC beating us :P

Obviously you're just going to have to kill her off.
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No. 29021 ID: 2563d4

<LionsPhil> Fun fact: during her trip through space, Sal passed the time playing "I Spy" with Lyan's head as a hand puppet.
<~N> so true
<a> Sounds like canon to me.
<~N> though in the future you can fork your brain-meats and successfully play I Spy with yourself
<~N> (Sal cheats, then gets mad at itself, then later has a laugh about it with itself later)
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No. 29204 ID: 83f911
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29204

• Sal is Lyan.
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No. 29211 ID: 1db78b

>>337805
So does this mean the PC has been controlling himself the entire time?
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No. 29212 ID: 2563d4

>>339011
Man, I don't even know what to think any more.

Except that the bottom row of this is the next chapter: >>/draw/2091 :V
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No. 29254 ID: 2563d4

>>338821
>though in the future you can fork your brain-meats and successfully play I Spy with yourself
>Lyanpushingalyanoutofalake.png
>fork your brain-meats
>Lyanpushingalyan
>fork your brain-meats
>DENTAL PLAN
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No. 29289 ID: bd3722

OK i have a theory.

If Lyan was not always "GOOD" and was holding a grudge against the whole society, then it could be possible that he wanted to get rid of Immortality.

He wanted to make it impossible to create proper Copies by spreading this basilisk.

So the whole society gets mortal again.

It's kinda like the ending of Fight Club.
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No. 29291 ID: 8bdb6a

I don't think the worm targets copying, though. It just kills everything except Lyan. (And Sal, who is also Lyan)
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No. 29298 ID: 26adcd

>>339091
so the problem could be 'solved' by making everyone part lyan?
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No. 29299 ID: 8c3899

>>339098
Such a crazy idea! You lyanatic!
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No. 29301 ID: 2563d4

>>339091
...but it's killed Lyan at least once too.

Maybe he was trying to commit final suicide but forgot that everyone was Weaver Lyan. :V
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No. 29386 ID: f123de
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29386

I need to pare back on the questing to focus on other things for a while. Since I seem to be incapable of spending less effort on individual updates, and I'd rather not have a week or more between updates like I've done too often already, I thought I would put it to a vote.

Option 1) remain paused between chapters for a while longer

Option 2) begin chapter III, progress the story to a better stopping point, and then announce a mid-thread hiatus

Thanks for reading, and we apologize for the inconvenience.
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No. 29387 ID: 15b51b

Update nao.
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No. 29388 ID: 7c0299

Party now, study later!
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No. 29389 ID: 1854db

This is the best stopping point. CONTINUE HIATUS!
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No. 29392 ID: 2563d4

As part of the "leaving quests on haitus for a month mid-thread is hilarious" club, I am required to vote for option II even though it's a terrible idea.
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No. 29394 ID: e973f4

>>339186
I would think the answer to this question should be self-evident.

Do you want to be like me, N?

Do you?
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No. 29399 ID: 6f96b6

>>339186
Pause. Take as much time as you want to make up your story.
Weeks or a month ... but inform us befor you continue.
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No. 29401 ID: c162ea

Going to vote for option one. Better to not start something, then pause midway. Besides, this was a great cliffhanger to wait at.
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No. 29405 ID: 6547ec

If you decide to go until you find a good stopping point, you won't find one. You just won't; there will be SOMETHING else you want to handle before you go in hiatus. Break now, or everyone will regret it.
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No. 29414 ID: c23db5

I think Option 1 seems best. Leaving things on such a cliffhanger for now isn't that bad.
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No. 31748 ID: fa0376

2011.03.07

Resumes in 1 Msec.
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No. 31776 ID: 50ccca

WOOHOO!
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No. 32847 ID: 5038ee

Did i miss the thread?
Link maybe? :p
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No. 32867 ID: 977a5a

It turns out that when I arrived at home last night around 10 pm my internet was dead. Continued to be dead well past 2am, then I went to bed.

Apologies for the lame excuse.
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No. 32880 ID: 5038ee

>>342667
NO problem ^-^ take your time :3
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No. 33247 ID: 57247c

New Thread
http://quest.lv/kusaba/quest/res/287815.html
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No. 34034 ID: 2563d4
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34034

>>/quest/290329
>hostile ramen

...
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No. 34215 ID: 252e1b

Sal's infection has been active for at least 2.6 Msecs, so we have around 5 Msecs to come up with a solution of some kind before we really start to lose Sal. Maybe less, Lyan is a meat-brain, Sal's mostly hardware. Anyway, when Sal starts getting paranoid-delusional, it'll be time to freeze his brain. The basilisk can't kill him if it can't run.

We'll need to leave detailed instructions on whatever work is finished, just in case Lyan succumbs before he finishes.

It's possible that the infected state vectors in Hab 58 (and Hab 58's infected hardware) have already been salvaged and examined. I doubt we can afford to spend a few tens of Msecs or more writing the counter-basilisk. We've already lost a month in transit, and whoever wanted to kill Lyan will eventually realize that he's somehow survived it (this is the best case scenario by the way, if the murderer just wanted to kill the Network they'll have seeded this basilisk all over). Maybe it's time to build the computing space required to let tens or hundreds of Lyans work in parallel. Keep the computer local only, set it up so that the infected material here is destroyed if Lyan and Sal fail to solve their problem in time.

After the basilisk is defeated, we can decide how we're going to wage war against the paranoid admins who have been running the VN probe program.
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No. 34234 ID: fa7b85

>>339004
Even in your quests.. THE FLUFFY
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No. 34437 ID: 15b51b

Okay. Sorry if this seems harsh, but I'm just gonna dump my current HS thoughts here:

Nobody I've asked can remember why we visited Ara. Skimming chapter 2 didn't really clear it up, either. We want his help for something, but I have no idea what kind of help we were hoping to get, or why.

The chapter was set up such that Lyan was mad at Sal. This led me to believe that Lyan had realized things about Sal sufficient to make him really mad, so I was trying to play along, but it would have helped if he was more explicit about it. Or maybe I was just overreacting. In any case, we appear to have forgiven him for whatever it was. (I know about the "My own clone!" part, but I don't know enough about Network society to know whether that's considered a serious faux pas or a mortal offense or what)

All I've really got right now is this abstract understanding that we need to save the world. Well, sorta. The world we started on was destroyed already, so we're trying to save a more abstract world. But we also need to stop the world because it's bad. And maybe that's what the basilisk is actually doing and we need to just sit back and let it do its thing? Like, maybe all that weird cyberspace green shit was Phase II of the infection and it does something different? Who knows? Not us! (I have no idea what we were supposed to get out of that sequence, to be totally honest)

Now I'm totally confused and have no idea what we should do, or even what we can do right now.

Also, I don't know why there's this whole issue of trust with Sal. He can just program us to think whatever he wants, and he's our only source of information. We have no real ability to go against his wishes. Whatever they are.

Also, I'm still a little unclear about why he killed us the second time. With the black rubber ball.

Basically, it seems like Sal is our boss and we can't do anything about it (and have no reason to try because we have no alternative plan and no information with which to make a plan and he can just hack us whenever he wants anyway) but he's being really unclear about what he wants us to do.

Frankly, I don't know why he keeps letting us tag along. He seems like he'd be much more productive without us. He's this shapeshifting hypertech multi-megawatt puppetmaster guy who can hack unicorns and build computronium, and we're this big doofy emotionally unstable hermaphroditic sergal clone with no internet connectivity who doesn't know anything about anything.
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No. 34438 ID: 2563d4

>>344237
>last paragraph
Ah.

We're the comic relief support character.
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No. 34441 ID: b6ca92

>>344238
>I hate it when things that don't make sense MAKE sense.
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No. 34456 ID: 2563d4

>>344241
It could be worse.

We could be the Bond girl.
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No. 34458 ID: 08a5f4

>>344256
I dunno, I could stand to see Lyan in a cocktail dress.
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No. 34459 ID: 2563d4
 

>>344258
[Kill the virus! Hit the master override switch!]
"The what?"
[Lyan?]
"Yes Sal?"
[Now listen carefully. There's a console up there. All you need to do is resplange the fleegle with the wharzig.]
"..."
[Lyan, are you still there? It'll be on the auxiliary exocortex circuit.]
"Pre-hensile cli-tor...is that it?"
[Just push every damn button will you!]
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No. 34525 ID: 252e1b

>>344237

The trouble is that the quest's setting presupposes a certain amount of familiarity with the basic concepts inherent in a future civilization, and most of the people who play quests have attention spans that are too short to have ever become familiar with them in the first place.

We are the people who think books smell like old socks. We are the people who want circuses to go with our bread. We are the sergal-lovers and the onion-skinned man children of the 21st century. And that's ok. But we're never going to be able to play a game with a plot deeper than "does it bite very hard? No? STICK YOUR DICK IN IT!"

(Then Go Somewhere Else)
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No. 34526 ID: 2563d4

>>344325
>We
Oh, hello. It's you.

I don't think you mean "we", and I don't think "we" is correct either.
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No. 34527 ID: 15b51b

>>344325
Man what?

If you're so smart, maybe you could try and help clear up my confusion and offer some ideas about short to mid-term plans instead of just rambling aimlessly about how you're so much smarter than us.
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No. 34529 ID: 252e1b

Point by point address of the questions in >>344237

>Nobody I've asked can remember why we visited Ara.

Ara was the best choice for any sort of help Sal could hope to reach with the resources Lyan's body represented. Ara's choice of habit (non-consent violence LARP with a crippled version of the Network which is incredibly important for preventing the infection from spreading) put her on the short list for good choices of allies. Her lifystyle and experience made her the best. A 50 gsec old motile nanoswarm living in a simulated(?) caldera means she only wants contact on her terms, and thus should be pretty self-sufficient. She was an isolated contact with the available resources to help, and who was at least inclined to hear out Sal and Lyan instead of just destroy them when she realized the threat they represented to everything by virtue of their basilisk infection.

>The chapter was set up such that Lyan was mad at Sal. This led me to believe that Lyan had realized things about Sal sufficient to make him really mad, so I was trying to play along, but it would have helped if he was more explicit about it. Or maybe I was just overreacting. In any case, we appear to have forgiven him for whatever it was. (I know about the "My own clone!" part, but I don't know enough about Network society to know whether that's considered a serious faux pas or a mortal offense or what)

Lyan explicitly said it was illegal to make multiple states of himself when he was exploring himself as he was being brought back on-line by Sal at the start of chapter 2. There were other hints too, like how Lyan reacted to the news he and Sal were both copies. And we were told a little about how Network society brought new people into its fold when we met Mika. All in all, the hints were there that copies were not considered acceptable in the Network.

>All I've really got right now is this abstract understanding that we need to save the world. Well, sorta. The world we started on was destroyed already, so we're trying to save a more abstract world. But we also need to stop the world because it's bad. And maybe that's what the basilisk is actually doing and we need to just sit back and let it do its thing? Like, maybe all that weird cyberspace green shit was Phase II of the infection and it does something different? Who knows? Not us! (I have no idea what we were supposed to get out of that sequence, to be totally honest)

That was the Lyan-state that was left behind in the Lethe center when the Habitat died (the one who had just had his memory wiped). That Lyan encountered the basilisk somewhere in the ruins of the processing matter of the habitat.

>Also, I don't know why there's this whole issue of trust with Sal. He can just program us to think whatever he wants, and he's our only source of information. We have no real ability to go against his wishes. Whatever they are.

Sal can mess with Lyan's head a little, but for Lyan to have any value to Sal, Lyan had to be a relatively blank slate. Lyan was similar to the computer image that you would see on a recovery disk, while Sal was the nearly-identical computer that had all your favorites and settings and bullshit anime shows saved and was infected with a virus. Sal wanted to be able to figure out what the virus did, and how to remove it while doing as little damage as possible, and to do that he needed something to compare against. Hence, he engineered Lyan.

>Also, I'm still a little unclear about why he killed us the second time. With the black rubber ball.

That was a device Sal made to back up Lyan's brain state. It would kill him to stop the brain from changing while it was being read, and then the device would read it, and then finally the device would rebuilt it and restart Lyan's metabolism. Risky, crude, but better than not having any back up.

>Basically, it seems like Sal is our boss and we can't do anything about it (and have no reason to try because we have no alternative plan and no information with which to make a plan and he can just hack us whenever he wants anyway) but he's being really unclear about what he wants us to do.

Sal is a desperate man, and Lyan is his victim. However, because Lyan has the same talent at hacking as Sal does, Lyan is not a powerless victim. Meeting Ara was the first real chance Lyan had at rebelling because through Ara he could have asked for help (he could have done it with the LARPers but they would have had to have been brought up to speed at the risk of totally blowing whatever advantage Sal bought them both by pretending to be dead). Remember, at this point we're still not sure if the basilisk was a murder weapon or something worse.

>Frankly, I don't know why he keeps letting us tag along. He seems like he'd be much more productive without us. He's this shapeshifting hypertech multi-megawatt puppetmaster guy who can hack unicorns and build computronium, and we're this big doofy emotionally unstable hermaphroditic sergal clone with no internet connectivity who doesn't know anything about anything.

Sal's systems were compromised by the basilisk, and he was losing against it. He told us that. He needed Lyan because Lyan was a blanked template that he could compare himself against and use as a test-bed for anti-basilisk solutions. He was nowhere near his full capability. Lyan, being a meat type body was apparently more resistant to the effects of the basilisk.

Sal was completely untrustworthy beyond doing whatever it took to save his own skin.
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No. 34551 ID: 0d9cc4

So was that an April fools joke or did we win by jumping into a pool of lava?


I'm using Charlie Sheen's definition of winning in that question.
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No. 34552 ID: 0b9d09

Yeah, I haven't been following this quest very closely but I was also kind of curious if "and then the main characters died in lava" is actually the ending
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No. 34562 ID: 2563d4

>>344352
Man, I can't even be certain (not least because I'm forgetful) if that's even all the PoV characters gone. Cyberspace Lyan might still be about (let along any other non-PoV clones).
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No. 34580 ID: bb7f2b

Well, it certainly could be official - half the joke was that "protagonist, kill yourself" was the most well though-out suggestion I had from the last batch. Go me.

I would rather put on my professor hat and answer things, but I am away from my tablet for several more days. A few things may as well be said right now.

The trip to the volcano had no specific goal beyond "a really old thing might help," but the offer includes sharing of Ara's Network allotment - nearly unlimited mass and power rations for the duration. The extremely thorough post a few back was substantially correct, but has a number of shaky assumptions.

More in a few days, but if you have questions you would like answered please ask. I have a few already queued, such as "what was Lyan actually good at, again?"
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No. 34607 ID: 15b51b

The trouble is, we know he's good at hacking, but has no network connectivity. It's a bit like being the most skillful telekineticist in the world, but you don't actually have telekinesis. Meanwhile, Sal's just as good as hacking and has all of the necessary abilities, resources, and manufacturing capacity to actually (theoretically) make use of it.

But even if Lyan could reach out and connect with things, we wouldn't want him to, because he'd just infect whatever he's connected with.

I was hoping that meeting Ara would kinda open up a new aspect of the quest, and bring us to a level where we're somehow actually able to tackle the whole basilisk problem. Since that is not the case, I'm completely lost about what to do next. (Other than jump in the lava)
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No. 34611 ID: 2563d4

>>344407
...or having a Computer Science PhD while being stranded on a desert island.

"Man, I could totally quicksort all these coconuts by size. If I had a huge infrastructure behind me I could write a website to let people rate and comment on them, too."

"I wish that was in any way useful right now."

I mean it's not like >>337774 is lacking skills, but the skills that are pertinent to the problem are incredibly abstract (e.g. computer security), and Lyan's answer to "uh, write a countervirus" is "that would take time". Welp. '\o/`
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No. 34612 ID: 2563d4

>>344411
I mean, boiling that down, it's:
Sergalyan
• Go toe-to-toe with a Tozol
• Computer stuff
• Infect the Network simply by being observed, like it or not
Salyan
• Shapeshifting and the usual damage resistance that goes with it
• Alchemy
• Wrap Sergalyan around its little finger, toe, and many other interesting appendages, physically and mentally

The person-level fightan stuff is useless for the big picture; we're done punching elves for now. What we need now is either computer skills to pick the whatever apart and find out if it's doing what we want to stop the Network's VN drones grey goo-ing everything and prevent that if it isn't (which doesn't seem approachable), or a social engineering angle to achieve at least the first half of the same (which doesn't seem to work---Ara's not much help, Salyan remains obstinate, and Salyan is probably the Lyan most positioned to know the answers).
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No. 34921 ID: f123de
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34921

I thought about leaving the April Fool's joke up for a year, but that one's already been done.

The quest isn't dead. I feel like I owe it to all three of the people following to keep going. Just... trying to figure out how to do it, and where to get the free time to do it in.
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No. 34922 ID: 07416a

>>344721
Personally just started following it and think it's fantastic.
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No. 34923 ID: cc04a7

I have no idea who you are nor do I follow your quest but I absolutely adore your art.
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No. 34931 ID: 0988c9

>>344721
i'm happy it was JUST A JOKE .-.

Got kinda scared there
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No. 34933 ID: f5c7b6

>>344721

Well, if you're continuing I'm eagerly awaiting it. I'm terrible and following and suggesting in a timely manner, but I love the quest all the same.
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No. 39813 ID: e5f721

:(

Just finished it. Please make more.
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No. 41433 ID: 063c28

Just binged this myself; it was great, and much as I agree that it's kind of unclear what Lyan should be doing at this juncture, I'm extremely eager to see more. Please continue!
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