Ed Pastry 2011/03/26(Sat)20:45 No. 291084 ID: 230559
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Somewhere, on board the Splinter Carrier Infractus...

Ed Pastry 2011/03/26(Sat)20:45 No. 291087 ID: 230559
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A new guide and champion of humanity is chosen.

>>291087
I vote for the glass of water.

>>291108
That glass of water is a racist bigot who would drive this nation into the ground and you should be ashamed for giving it your support.

no! not democracy! the only thing that can screw military regiments!

also do we get politics research too? =3

Test Pattern 2011/03/26(Sat)22:09 No. 291115 ID: 15b51b
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NORTHERN SERGAL

>>291115
whelp, (S)he got my vote

Ed Pastry 2011/03/26(Sat)22:34 No. 291125 ID: 230559
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With the resignation of Admiral Argus J. Ductor, a new leader must take control of the Splinter.

The five most popular candidates have been selected, each with a unique strategy and skill set to ensure mankind's survival.

Vice Admiral Johnathan Dwight is Admiral Argus Ductor's second in command and closest friend, and thus a natural choice for the job. He was one of the few Nautil to pursue a military career, joining the United States Interstellar Naval Academy and subsequently begun climbing the military hierarchy. He earned distinction during the Centauri War, where he earned his current rank. He follows most of the tenets set by his predecessor, focusing on reacting to situations as they come rather than going working with a particular predetermined tactic in mind.

Lieutenant General Lorette Segale was just a teenager when Earth was destroyed, losing her mother along the rest of her family and friends. She was personally trained by her father, a Light Infantryman, during the 5 year exodus from Earth, and thus was one of the first soldiers to enlist since the Splinter's inception. She was noted to be a natural born leader and, after serving valorously in the battle against the Breakers on Ithaka, was given training as a commissioned officer. On Gretz, she was the main liaison for the Rebels and as such understands our alien allies better than most anyone else. Her trusting personality has left herself open to threats on more than one occaision.

Wing Commander Radomir Voronova is the Splinter's most distinguished pilot. He first demonstrated his courage and skill by engaging and distracting Breaker fighters above Earth, enabling several dropships to escape to the Infractus. He has excellent sense when it comes to starship and aircraft battles, and would have likely been promoted to a much higher rank if he didn't refuse the promotion offers. He feels that ground combat is unwise and wasteful. His belief is that mankind remains completely mobile to avoid unnecessary combat. When combat becomes necessary, his belief is to respond from a safe distance with an unrelenting storm of nuclear ordinance.

The Naval Directorate of Intelligence and Reconnaissance (NADIR) existed before the formation of the Splinter, acting as a information gathering agency much like the CIA of the 20th to 21st centuries. Director Hector Karras has tirelessly led this organization for many years now, conducting census information, maintaining public order and gathering and organizing data obtained from every source imaginable. Karras has a variety of underhanded tactics in mind to help the Splinter combat its enemies. He is famously quoted in saying that "Mankind no longer has the resources to fight fair."

Dr. Freja Metzger is a prominent research director in the Splinter's science corps. She graduated at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology with doctorates in both Biomedical Engineering and Microbiology. She was the mastermind behind the Gestation Tanks and has constantly petitioned for the engineering of new species to aid in humanity's survival. Dr. Metzger has long term goals for the Splinter in mind, hoping to use her talents to both bring humanity back from the edge of extinction while pushing its enemies to the brink. She doesn't have much care for public approval and as such tends to tread on people's toes when even when incurring disapproval is avoidable.

Metzger.

hector

Karras.

My current leaning is towards the Vice Admiral or the NADIR Director.

All of the other commanders have useful bonuses. But most of them would be hard to utilize. The wing commander for instance has a bonus to space combat, something we don't have the resources for.

The NADIR director would enable the following:
- Vet the dryad refugees to make damn sure we don't have any sleeper agents with us.
- Use unconventional tactics to get the enemy off our back. We don't have the resources for a head on fight. Anything we can do to avoid pitched battle or weaken their resolve will help.
- Hopefully keep the enemy in the dark on where we are, and where we are headed next. If they can't find us we can avoid fighting altogether.

The increase in staff is annoying, but not an impossible hurdle. The influx of Dryads can hopefully fill in the gaps in terms of manpower.

The reduction in orbital BPs is not a huge penalty because we can supplement them with ground factories. Also we are not at the point where we can support a large space navy anyway.

Before anything is set in stone however. What kind of momentous event or upheaval would be required before the Commander of the Splinter would change again? All of them would be highly useful in certain circumstances. Just... not now.

Just a few notes to take into consideration:

The %30 boost/penalty in orbital BP also includes the amount it can be assisted by ground factories.

I will give drones a major buff as before they were not terribly useful.

The chosen leader will remain in office for a minimum of 4 years, or until he or she is rendered incapable of performing his or her duty.

Chemical weapons will not cost SC, but require a little research for each species you wish it to be effective on.

Segale or Metzger.

Dwight.

Squid boss, best choice.

I'm going with Dwight as I don't care for all these fancy abilities and bonuses.

I really want Metzger's bonus, but at the same time we can't have a morale penalty. Not right now; every time we flee a planet morale hits rock bottom. Until we've somehow overcome that hurdle, either through technology (more comfortable spaceships?) or cultural engineering (establishing a more nomadic mindset amongst the populace) we can't afford a leader who won't keep spirits up. If we start having internal problems in addition to the constant external ones... things could get very bad. Vote against.

Karras could give us a good bonus, new options... and perhaps just as importantly, his downsides aren't that crippling. Command centers and airports having double personnel is something we can live with, and while orbital factories being slowed is damned inconvenient if we can get a decent ground production base we can make up for almost all of it. Vote for.

Voronova could be awesome. Very awesome. The problem is, orbital factories have much steeper startup costs than ground-based factories and we'd need ground factories to get them up and running- meaning that we have to overcome his weaknesses before we can make us of his strengths. We don't know that any given planet will be safe long enough to pull that off. Vote against.

Segale's boosts could be good if we're willing and able to exploit them. Those military restrictions hurt, though. We're in a desperate situation and can't afford to be unable to cut loose. Some of the things she'd ban are things that really saved our asses in the latest conflict. Vote against.

Dwight leaves us with what we've got so far, which is something we can work with. Also, Nautil are awesome. Vote for.

the nadir director do sounds like the right one now. we are in need to put a check on the dryads plus the possibility of actualy peforming sucessful espionage, god knows we needed some on the dryads.

i just dont want to deny the possibility of a naval structure upgrade. at that point, vice admiral dwight sounds more that right, even because we are not sure what we will face yet.

my vote goes to the NADIR director, hector karras. in the end we may need CE way more that improved genetics research or brighthappy relationships with neutral species.

I say Karras.

On a rather unimportant sidenote, are gesters and gretz already allowed to vote?

Hector would be fine, but I for one welcome our new squid overlords.

Dwight and Karras are the best choices, IMO.

Dunno which of those two. Karras has some nice bonuses, but it means we build up our fleet 30% slower, which is kinda important because our fleet is all we can really take from world to world.

Still, nice bonuses.

>>291125
As much as I want to say Annihilation, we've just seen that /quest/ would never agree to fire the damn things often enough to make use of it.

So Subjugation. The penalties on Unification and Attrition are just too steep, especially if drones are getting a boost. Hopefully we can swallow the ones for Karras, though.

NADIR Director, or Metzger

NADIR Director Hector Karras.

We just got done making a carrier, so I think we're a little ahead of the curve on our space forces. We can handle lagging behind a little there. The increased personnel is a small issue we can overcome by just having more mans. Double plus, if we're better at counterespionage we can afford to introduce new alien recruits without worrying quite as much, and chemical weapons sound niiiiiice. Sure it's against the geneva convention but considering we're fighting to save humanity from *extinction* I think we're allowed to do that shit.

Also, some reasons behind why lost the last war were because we couldn't break the enemy's morale and we had very little intel. We didn't know where to strike if we wanted to win, and the enemy kept using unpredictable attacks against the rebels. All we really got was a little advance warning on their big attacks, and not really enough to react in a meaningful way, aside from that very last warning before everything went to shit.

I'll take either Karras or Dwight, leaning heavily towards Karras.
The penalties of the other choices are simply too crippling to choose.
Seriously, screw "Miss. Geneva convention, Dr. Unpopular and Commander Nuke Happy."

>>291229
> We just got done making a carrier
Cruiser actually, a carrier would take more than a hundred turns to complete.

Dwight. Or if not him, Karras.

Freja Metzger

I vote Nautilus.

wow there are a lot of half votes to dwight and karras ._.

i wonder if this will end in a council?

Dwight or Metzeger

Changing my vote to NADIR Director Karras entirely. Drones are awesome.

Dwight.

I think Karras would be an excellent option; Intel is largely overlooked in the grand scheme of things, and being more capable of knowing what's going on at any given moment is definitely a useful bonus for us.

If not him, Dwight.

>The %30 boost/penalty in orbital BP also includes the amount it can be assisted by ground factories.
Ah okay. Still not crippling given that we don't have the SC to build a large space fleet anyway. If we can tap the dryads as workers we could probably just build twice the infrastructure and suck up the loss.

I will give drones a major buff as before they were not terribly useful.
>Sweet! Spy planes for everyone!

Consider my vote shifted to Karras alone. Above all our greatest weakness is not knowing enough about the enemies we face. Karras is the logical choice to deal with this problem.

+1 for Karras.We have to many "may be a traitor" and perspective of actually knowing more than first look is refreshing.

Karras

Dwight is also nice, Voronoba is awesome... but not very usefull

Dwight is the only option. There's no telling what we might run into and he'll allow us to quickly change strategies. Segale will utterly cripple our military and will screw us over if we get hit hard, Voronova will make everybody hate us (though this may not be much of a problem once we've moved to the uninhabited world), Karras will do horrible things to our logistics (currently our weakest point), and I get the feeling that you're hugely understating the blow to morale that Metzger will cause.

Why would he understate it? It's not like Ed has is plotting to fuck us over. Games hard but he's not going to go YOU CHOSE INCORRECTLY, GAME OVER! REBELLIONS FOREVER! I change my vote to solid Metzer.

Also, one of our enduring problems is the lack of manpower. Does anyone remember just how many factories and such we could build but not man? We NEED mass-produced citizenry.

Dwight. Versatility is the single greatest strength of the Splinter. All other candidates reduce this, posing an unacceptable risk to survival.

Hector Karras. No question. People have already said most of what needs to be said about him. We need to be in the mindset of getting into our enemies' heads and fucking them right in their weakest spot. Efficiency in action. Plus, he quoted Sun Tzu. Has anyone here read The Art of War? That kind of thinking is exactly what we need right now.

Giving a solid vote for Dwight. We have to remain flexible.

I'm giving a vote for Hector Karras.

Uh. Karras.

Dwight. In the game of survival, the one who adopted the best, survives the best.

I already voted for Karras.

Just wanted to mention. If we do elect Karras we should make Dwight his designated replacement/second in command. Just in case we need to split our forces or an emergency crops up and Karras is incapacitated.

If possible we should form a council with the other un-elected candidates. Their input would be highly valuable, even though decisions are ultimately up to us.

Solid Dwight here. He's adaptable and Nautil are awesome.

>>292464
This is actually a good idea (though I'm still voting for Dwight).

>>291127
This was my initial vote, and I stand by it.

But, I would like to extend my vote to any of the four humans, as they actually provide an interesting dynamic to the future of the colonies.

Also Nautils suck.

karras.

>>292464
Yea, we need a SPQR, even after the fall of the republic of Rome, the senate existed as an administrative force and provided Counsel for the Caesar

My vote stands anyway (>>291283)

Ok I'm giving solid vote for Karras, instead of the maybe that I gave in my previous post here: >>291232

Ed Pastry 2011/04/02(Sat)21:32 No. 293403 ID: 02b318
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After the votes are counted, Hector Karras comes out as the victor. After some congratulations and a brief celebration, Karras makes a televised speech to the Splinter.

"My fellow citizens, I come before you today as the Splinters new leader. Fleet Admiral Argus Ductor, my predecessor and perhaps humanity's greatest hero, has been in deteriorating condition for the past month and has now stepped down from office. As his replacement, I can only hope to be tenth of as great as man as he was. Let us hold him in our hearts and prayers.

For the past decade, we have been living in constant fear, not knowing where the Breakers and their vile kin may strike next. A formless and shadowy enemy, hiding in the dark corners of our vision, threatened our existence day after day.

For too long have the enemies of mankind ambushed and hunted us without fear of reprisal. The time of fleeing and reacting must draw to a close; now we must act with decisive initiative and unerring accuracy.

We must expose the enemy and their plans whenever they appear.
We must always be always two steps ahead of them.
We must strike at the very minds and hearts of the enemy.
We must turn back the darkness with blinding light."

Karras's abilities take into effect immediately. His operatives report that there is currently no subversive activity being planned.

>>292464
The other candidates will remain at their current positions in the Splinter. You can ask them (or any member of the Splinter, in fact, down to the lowliest nonworker) for an opinion at any time.

>>293403
I tried to offer a complete and useful idea for how to proceed, then realized that I'm utterly unable to do so without rereading all threads exceedingly carefully in order to figure out where the hell everything is, then cracking open Excel and spending some time running numbers on what would be feasible, and probably asking a dozen rules questions on the way.

So, since that kind of work is something I'd have to be really into this game to put in, I'll just go with "get everyone to an uninhabited but mineral-rich planet and start building up as fast as we can there". We need a good research and production base, one which is at minimum good enough to refit our spacecraft with the better engines that we've been developing, and I'm sick of pulling everything up and running all the time.

Few errors in list:
Metal income should be 1350, Baikonur should have a Large Power Generator not a Medium and the employed list should equal the amount of employees needed in Baikonur

We should put our professionals to work with the Clone tanks and also a Massive Lab. As a side-project, design edible plants which can grow in this environment.

From what I've gathered, doing anything but getting to the Archive is a waste of time.

Don't do anything except get the population to the Archive. All of them, because staying here is nothing.

Currently we need to move our ships at UD over to the portal anomaly and port over to the next universe and finally to the planet with the Archive on it.

Well, first we need to move the fleet over to Baikonur for a few turns to finish off that engine refit.

Our second colony can stay put for now but remain on high alert and try to keep some manner of advance warning system out so that we have enough time to evac them if needed. In fact, we can make stuff over there can't we? Let's get on that.

4 TURN BUILD ORDER

START BUILDING:
COMMAND CENTERx1
MEDIUM GENERATORx1
MEDIUM SHOPx1
MEDIUM ENTERTAINMENTx1
MASSIVE LABx2
UNIVERSITYx1
LARGE ORBITAL FACTORYx1 (Note: if the Jammer Cruiser must be present to hide orbital activity, deconstruct once the refit is completed. In fact, if that's the case, just build a regular Orbital Factory instead since it won't be up for long enough to justify needing a large)
MEDIUM SMELTERx1
LARGE DERRICKx4 (two Metal two SC)
That costs 4000 metal and 63 SC total, but there's varying sizes here soooo who knows how much the per-day cost is really!
After the 4 turns are up, the medium buildings will be done.

CONSTRUCT:
864 BP (wow, do we really need this many factories? Oh well, nothing else to use workers on atm)
2xHeavy Gunship
2xBomber
15xReaverx10 (they have Plasma pistols now! Imagine a hundred of these fuckers dropped on an enemy formation. DELICIOUS CHAOS.)
10xBeardy Bobx10 (because fuck Snarren)
5xTest Pattern
2xCaptain Slowpoke
8xGOODSx1000
4xCARSx100

50xChemical Gasserx15
50xChemical Grenade Launcher
30xChemical Bomb
15xChemical Hellstorm
10xCruise Missile
10xMLRS Gas Strikex5
10xMLRS Deployable Minefieldx5 (these should be interesting...)
10xMLRS Fusion Strikex5
2020 Metal, 155 Fuel, 115 SC. Within our budget.

I don't really want to use IP without a cloning tank, but if someone else thinks it's a good idea go ahead.

>>293450

If we are in fact going to be on this rock for more then four turns, then I think that we need to refine your plan.

Turn 0:

Start:
10x Large Derrick (6x Metal, 2x Fuel, 2x S.C.) [[They will pay for themselves after the first turn after construction.]]
2x Medium Smelter [[5 old derricks, +10 = 15, 18-15 = room for 3 more derricks.)
1x Medium Generator
1x Large Generator
2x University [[1x Workers, 1x Proffesionals]]
2x Massive Lab [[Very expensive.]]
1x Command Center
1x Large Orbital Facility

Cost:
9400 Metal
186 Super Conductors
-93 Power
2450 Workers
1640 Professionals

Net Gain:
+2700 Metal Income
+54 S.C. Income
+168 Fuel Income
60.5 Power Surplus
+3 Morale
+24 Orbital Build Points

Turn 1:
Start:
2x Residential District

Cost:
400 Metal

Turn 2:
Nothing.
Turn 3:
Residential District built. (???)
Turn 4:
Smelters, Generator, Command Center built.
Turn 5:
Derricks, Generator, University, Orbital Facility built.
Turn 6:
Lab built.

This way we can at least return our investment on the resources we spent while having a significant income to produce future arms.

The shop/entertainment will provide a fraction of morale. The stadium/command center give a flat upgrade.

I think it would be a good idea to salvage the breaker weapons for SC, seeing as they are pretty much obsolete now.

Since other people seem to be doing the build order thing better than I could, I'll drop my thoughts on research.

since both proposed build orders above this one seem to suggest building 2 massive labs (a notion that I agree with), which would give us 54 RP:

After the massive labs are complete, it would take two turns to complete Neural Implants.

After Neural Implants is done, we should have 35 spare RP.

Then, I propose we should research Massive Shipyard (A total of 72 Orbital BP, which would be immensely useful).
IIRC Massive buildings cost 40 RP to research, meaning it would take only one turn to research, which would leave 49 spare RP.

We should then go for Computing systems IV (since it would be done in one turn), which would leave 13 spare RP.

Then research CHIRON and NEPTUNE gas. (27 spare RP).

TLDR:
After massive labs finish:

Turn 101- work finishes on Neural Implants. 35 spare RP. Begin researching Massive shipyards.
Turn 102- work finishes on massive shipyards. 49 spare RP. Begun work on Computing Systems IV.
Turn 103- Computing systems IV finished. 13 spare RP. Research CHIRON and NEPTUNE gases.
Turn 104- CHIRON and NEPTUNE gases finish. 27 spare RP.


Of course, all of this is assuming that I haven't gotten something horribly wrong...

>>293455
You aren't using any ground BP with that build. Wasted resources!

Okay, we actually have 5x Large Derricks, not mediums.
I guess we can afford to make 15 derricks total, though. I mean, it'd be nice to have resources out our ears again.

>>293450
>>293455
We need to combine these plans and also add some more things.

For starters, we most definitely need to build:
1x Stadium
12x Large Shops
1x Medical District
6x Greenhouses
...in addition to the stuff in the second order, and the BP usage from the first.

I emphatically recommend that we halt and take new actions as soon as we've researched Neural Implants. We don't know what Neural Implants do, and we need to make decisions accordingly.

If you guys want, I can write up a more comprehensive build order with everything we need. Should I?

>>293586
Gotta agree with you on halting once we hit Neural Implants.

>>293586
We don't need that many large shops, dude. They service 1500 people each, and we have 9000 there. We'd need 6 at most.

>>293617
They service 2,000 each, unless I'm mistaken.

The entire rest of our population is en route. That's over 22,000 people.

>>293621
So what's 22000 divided by 2000 again?

11 would cover 22k even, but we have more than that and need to account for future growth, too. (Though I'm not sure how long we'll spend here, given the breakers are building stuff on Grezt)

>>293586
We do not need Shops, this is a temporary colony.

>>293525
Sorry, but my build uses most of the resources turn 0, and could be optimized a little to spend ALL of them, PER TURN. I can rewrite if if you want taking in research considerations.

...uh. I just wanted to refit the engines and keep going towards the new universe and archive thing. Isn't that just 1 turn away once the ships arrive?

I also wanted to leave the colony there for the time being. If we can have a place just sitting and mining/researching/teaching without disruptions it'd be nice.

Though we don't really need factories for a mining colony.

>>293586
yeah sure.

To be honest. Its been so long since the action was rolling that I've forgotten whats going on outside of our recent evacuation.

So requesting the following:

1. Assuming she still plays the part of liaison. Ask Segale about the current integration status of our Gester members and Dryad refugees. As well as the current diplomatic situation with the crab people we met earlier.
2. Get a report from Dwight about the current status of our fleet. And the local stellar topography and points of interest.
3. Ask our agents how the screening of the Dryads is going and the likelihood of enemy agents being present.
4. Finally, discuss with Metzger the current needs of our research staff, important topics we should research asap. And the possible uses for genetically engineered organisms. This is one avenue we never really explored because we don't know much about it.

Oh, nobody said what the Occissor should do so I wanted to directly suggest orders for it: It should approach the unnamed star and get a more complete scan of the system, possibly revealing the location of the Archive and any suitable planets for colonization.

Ed Pastry 2011/04/11(Mon)15:01 No. 295709 ID: ab8ce9
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>>293586
>>293455
>>293450
>>293509
The combined build order is followed, but halted at turn 6 due to an important announcement from Vice Admiral Dwight and several other advisers.
>>293682
VICE ADMIRAL DWIGHT: Sir, we have grave news. We have detected a Breaker fleet finally appearing somewhere near Gretz. Since it is out of range of our scanners, we can't identify their exact fleet position or composition, though we know they are not far from Gretz and have a combined MASS roughly equal to that of three of our Destroyer-Class starships. A side note to this is Occissor reporting the scanning the Archive star system and planet (both of which still need official names). The planet the Archive is located on is mostly arid, with a belt of dense swamps and jungles near the equator. The planet has an atmosphere acceptable enough that we can build without a construction time or morale penalty, though is nearly devoid of resources. The only derricks it can support are Metal, and even those will operate at %50 capacity. The Archive itself is a large cluster of structures, currently inactive according to our scans.
NADIR OPERATIVE 42: We've finished screening the Storks, boss. There is no evidence for a subversive plot of any kind, but many of them are pretty unhappy relative to the rest of the populace. Another thing of note is that we found 14 Storks with magical abilities. They claim to be supportive of humanity and the Splinter government, but it's still risky having them around, especially with the amount of power they have over the Dryad community. The funny thing is that, despite all the hate the rebels have for the noble mages on their own planet, they seem to be looking to these magic-gifted individuals for guidance. Old habits die hard I guess.
LIEUTENANT GENERAL SEGALE: The Gesters have already integrated surprisingly well within the Splinter, helped by their tendency to curiosity. They're mostly workers or support soldiers within the Light Infantry, though a few, like NaNi here, have become productive members of the professional community. The Galts are pestering to get a bit more culture and technological information out of us, and are hoping for large scale trade of goods, resources and weapons. There are some Galts asking for induction into the Splinter, though they appear to be mostly extremist cultists. The Dryads are distancing themselves from the main populace when they can avoid it, though this is hardly surprising behavior. Though they consider themselves friends of humanity and the other Splinter races, there is still some species tension going on. A part of their discomfort stems from the unfamiliar culture and environment of the Splinter. If we can set up something to create a more familiar environment for them we can help ease their integration. Also, inducting some Dryads into the workforce or military might help them gain a better sense of equality, as all of their populace is non-workers at the moment.
DR. METZGER: Right now, our research is doing fine. I'd prefer live subjects for chemical weapons construction, but I suppose we can make do without. In terms of research direction, there's really no way we can go wrong. If I were to make a suggestion, it would be to not focus on dead-end tech like chemical gas right just yet, and stick to technologies that have possibilities for further development. As for genetically engineered species, I recommend thinking of it as designing a new weapon. The meatheads in the military think they've got all their bases covered, but there are always gaps like melee combat and distraction roles that can be filled by an appropriate, cheaply-produced modified organism. In non-combat roles, we probably could whip up something that can help slowly rewrite planetary ecologies if it serves us, or try to replace an expensive bit of technology with an organism that performs a similar task, though how exactly to go about the latter I am not entirely sure. I don't recommend creating another sentient creature, as those are much more difficult to engineer and can be a lot more trouble than they're worth. Don't tell any of the Nautil I said that.

With the construction of Labs and and Orbital Factory, Research and Shipbuilding may commence. So far, it appears the next order of research will be continuing NEURAL IMPLANTS.

The star-maps will have our short range scanner range be represented by the light gray squares. Longer range scanners generally can detect space-warping presence at two tiles further away, though have a chance to miss detecting such targets entirely.

well we would need to capacitate the dryad first if we are to simply give them jobs.

we should most likely try to settle communities where they can live together. a part would be nice for them as well. i think that the proper way to encourage them to take a job or go to college would be by convincing the mages that it is a good idea to do that.

Alrighty. To aid integration of new races into our numbers, it should be standard procedure to modify their living quarters to be more akin to what planet they come from. For Dryads we'll want to install a section of the ship that is filled with their atmosphere and has a selection of their plants and such. Like a greenhouse of sorts. I assume since we researched their planet, we have enough data to reproduce their plants and such? You know, we should probably ask the Gesters and Nautil if they want special living arrangements too. As for our allied Mages, we should educate them. Put them in school, have them become professionals asap. When they know what we know, they should be able to give better advice to the others.

The Galts... Um, let's avoid the cultists. We could bring in some of the less mentally unstable ones on our next visit, and yes we should share more cultural info with them.

Anyway...

1. Refit engines on non-speed 2 vessels.
2. Keep everyone on alert. Be ready to evacuate in 1 or 2 turns if the Breaker fleet starts moving towards us. We *can* outrun them, I believe, but we still don't have any good ship-based weapons as far as I know.

Otherwise continue with the build order, I think? I dunno, I may have missed something. There is a lot to keep track of.

Well, since the mages hold status in the dryad community, we need to take every effort to make them feel comfortable. I agree that educating them especially (but also other dryads) is a great first step. We should also find ways to get them token community leadership roles, like police chief for their district or something like that. Make them feel warmly welcomed.

>>295910
I agree with all that.

We need to investigate the Archive. Integrate our alien allies. Increase ties to the Galts.

The problem is we need to do this while under threat from the Breakers. Either we can deal with them directly or just avoid them and leave them guessing.

Only relocation is feasible at this point. But where would we go?

The Breakers are back?
This is both good and bad. Good in that we can gather more information on them and possibly enough subjects to create the BREAKER PLAGUE, but bad in the respect that they loathe technology and the Galt are a technological civilization like humanity, meaning that at some point in the future, the Breakers will likely attack the Galt as well.

>>296358
Oh yeah, good point. Warn the Galts, then.

>>296358
The Splinter doesn't actually know why the Breakers attacked them. I suppose we could tell the Galts our story though.

>>296410
The Splinter had it very clearly explained to them by the Dryads. They know.

>>295910

Mostly I agree with that. The only thing I add is that I would like to know more about those cultist. What kind of cult would make them want to join us?

I also want to bring up my bio weapons plan of the discussion thread, found here...

>>http://www1.tgchan.org/kusaba/questdis/res/324607.html#344897

with the following addendums.
1. They are to be fully artifically created and totally sterile on themselves.

2. A nutritional soup should also be developed, containing a unigue encyme needed for their survival. A security measure to ensure they cant go rogue.

3. Instead of purebred bees, the scientists should use all avaibable genetic information of the vespidae family, to create the optimum for the folowing factors, sense of smell, amount of poison injected and of course piercing quality of the stingers.

These weapons should be researched as fast as possiple for every "pure" enemy race (Breaker, Snarren), with the Breakers being a priority.

Argh, I don't really want to get started implementing bioweapons until we have finished everything researchable for bioengineering but I don't even know what it'd take to make that biotronic facility because the wiki page is so horribly out of date (no data on large buildings, vehicle and weapon data similarly obsolete).

Ideas to be shot down, we need to make sure that we don't waste research on dud ideas like the electrolysis platform, so comb through these for the ones that are actually likely to be viable or worth so much we can tolerate inefficiency.

Mostly conventional:
-atmosphere-free life support and food production system (pressure dome farms? hydroponics? bacterioculture/fungiculture?)
-zero-manpower weapons for space
-low-mobility space weapons for defense (stowable in large ships, things besides interceptors)
-stealth, ecm-eccm
-solar wind extractors
-asteroid collectors
-orbital mirror powersats

Playing God:
-a seed population of mining slugs that breed like flies
-space-corn that supplies ships indefinitely with life support
-pod people with implanted training
-surgically implanted training
-space-tolerant lifeforms (!!orbital industry needs this!!)

Changing the rules
-study how magic works
--how the perception works, how to fool it
--develop countermeasures
--develop amplifiers
---use magic to scam free resources and personnel from the enemy
-anomaly manufacture, destruction, long-range detection, temporary generation, pathfinding
-instant-communication miniaturization:
--remote-piloted fighters & interstellar exploration craft

For engineered organisms I think we should avoid weapon related applications. Defensive or no.

>-space-tolerant lifeforms
This will benefit us the most by far. Both in the short term (because of our leader disadvantage) and in the long term (because shipbuilding is hella slow and anything to make it go faster is a godsend)

I disagree with you. at least one enemy we've seen so far would be absolutely helpless against some sort of insect swarm. the Snarren may be able to bonce assault rifles off there damn shields but a swarm of spiders or something similar would decimate them.

So... bees with stingers full of anti-snarren venom? That could work quite well!

I'm sure engineering such a thing is possible, the question is the delivery mechanism. You can flood them onto the battlefield by the thousand, but they need to have some way of homing in on the Snarren.

>>314479
smell. we surely have bits of snarren all over. just code the bees to home in on the smell of snarren and to sting it.

>>314480
Yeah, DEATH BEES and SPACE TOLERANT LIFE sound good. Make sure NOT to allow them to naturally reproduce. That's just asking for it. Unless we put them under a guiding intelligence. Like a Hive Mind or something.

Also, try engineering an INTELLIGENT CREATURE, for the purposes of INTRASYSTEM EXPLORATION. Like, a SPACE WHALE or something. That'd be cool. But that can wait.

Better yet. Interplanetary DIRE BEES. Engineer them to home in on Breaker starships in the millions like living cluster munitions. That'll learn em. But we'd also have to figure out how to build organic RADARs and organic light sails and thrusters. So that can also wait.

>>314524

I suggest replacing the DIRE BEES with SPACE DOGS WITH DIRE BEES IN THEIR MOUTHS, AND WHEN THEY BARK THEY SHOOT BEES AT BREAKER SPACESHIPS.

This is just getting silly.

By the way, Ed did tell us in the dis thread, that researching my BEEEES would cost 40 RP.

Considering that, I can´t even imagine what a space-organism would cost, considering we haven´t seen a natural one we could use as a basis yet. So SPACE LIFEFORMS will, most likely, have to wait.

>>314532
Okay, okay, let's just go with the Dire Bee plan, to kill the Snarren. Their shields didn't work on temperature, or being run over, so low velocity things like bees and Virii should work.

Also, we should capture some live Snarren, for Bio Warfare experiments, and also to try and exploit their genome for making our own gengineered shock troops.

>>314534
I just realized as I hit enter. Let's CLONE Snarren, and integrate the clones into the Splinter, as our Indoctrinated Cyborg Warriors! They're a hell of a lot more durable than humans, so they should survive the surgeries a lot better.

upvoting the clone the Snarren plan.

>>314535
FUCK YES

they won't have there magic. that's not genetic.

WHO CARES IF THEY AREN'T MAGICAL!? We can have HUGE, DURABLE warriors, who will DEMORALIZE the foe by appearing on our side. We can IMPROVE on their designs, with Cybernetics. We can clone one of the BIG ONES and give it the armament and plating of a BRIC, and grow hives of CHEMICAL DIRE BEES on its' back. We have a Geneticist specialized in screwing with nature. We should use her to the maximum extent.

Also, have Putin The Director examine the Clone Snarren, for any trace of some kind of Hard Wired Loyalty. If they don't have one, PUT ONE IN. Mwuhahahaah.

Just be sure to make them full members of Splinter society. We don't want to become our enemies.

>>314552

I second giant cyborg BRIC Snarren.

having them shoot dire bees out of their mouths when they bark is entirely optional, but also approppriate, since they're 'poodles'.

>>314553
Good idea! Otherwise They'll easily be turned against us! Giant Armored Cyborg BRIC Snarren Commandos with Bio Engineered Chemical Dire Bee Hives rigged to fire when they Bark, WITH FREE WILL AND HUMAN RIGHTS!

Seriously guys?? Aside from the obvious morality and ethical problems( especially with our alien allies), the enraging effect that will have on the snarren, the propaganda fooder that this would give Totus(painting us of coruptors of life, now WITH proof)? AND you want to add giant BEES IN THEIR MOUTHS?!?

I have to say I´m sceptical of that plan.

>>314560

we could always make them look too different from baseline Snarren for anyone to recognize, really. my concerns are with the part where people want to make them sentient even though the good doctor just got done telling us why that isn't a good idea.

not to mention that adding giant bees in a canine's mouth falls less into the category of corruption and more into the category of awesomization.

>>314561
If we change their baseline anyway, we can create our own supersoldiers instead. Something insectoid to tie with the bees. Maybe make them somesort of bee carrier and frontline chitin tank.

And no, adding bees into mouth is not awesome, more painfull.

You're worried about Propaganda effects when WE ARE ALREADY USING LETHAL BIOCHEMICAL WEAPONS on them. Genetic engineering is pretty tame compared to that. Cloning em will improve OUR morale and our fighting force. And if you wanted Ethics, you should have hired Dwight or Segale instead of Karras. We have always been at war with ethics.

could also mix them with regular dog and give them dog lvl intellect. they go with their handlers to fight, not by themselves.

the Snarren are not that physically dangerous without magic, not to mention the massive issues that come with mass producing a sentient species. Though I admit using the giant snarren for the base of some sort of cyborg close combat unit would be kinda cool, would probably work best if it was non sentient though.

We only HAVE about 4000 infantry. And we HAVE Gestation Tanks. Giant Cyborg/Bioborg Snarrens can only improve life for the Splinter! Imagine the morale boost from knowing we have GIANT CYBORGS on our side.

Also, Karras should initiate a program to improve morale. Make some propaganda PATRIOTIC TELEVISION to take the edge of peoples' unhappiness.

Also, we need to improve fleet strength, so we should get our mining operations up to speed enough to build a fleet large enough to eliminate the current Breaker threat. We're going to have to stop running at SOME point, and this fleet seems smaller than average. If we can eliminate this scout group, we can buy ourselves more time. At least until that Third alien race shows up. Then we're screwed

I support Snarren clones, but not Snarren clones with stupid shit like bees in their mouths.

When making a larger fleet be sure to outfit the new ships with a combination of plasma and railgun weapons so we can negate the Breaker's shields.

Ed Pastry 2011/06/18(Sat)21:24 No. 314901 ID: 75c491
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Since there doesn't seem to be a Build Order being made for quite some time, I will skip a few turns and make the BO myself, though it won't be as good as the ones you can make. I'll give you guys two days to make a Build Order if you change your minds. If any of you have uncertainties about the situation in the quest, let me know and I will try to clarify for you.

So, from previous discussions it appears that the planned swarm organism will have the following attributes:
-40 RP cost
-Can only be bred from Gestation Tanks
-Wasplike in the fact they can sting
-A single tank can create two largish swarms per turn
-Stingers can penetrate though any type of skin and thin cloth
-Stingers become more lethal is appropriate chemical weapons researched. Also can carry biological weapons as well.
-Can survive on their own in most environments, but extreme environments like airless or volcanic planets are too much for them.
-They can be launched via APC, Dropship, Bomber or Test Pattern.


Going to address a few matters brought up:

>>298793
>atmosphere-free life support and food production system (pressure dome farms? hydroponics? bacterioculture/fungiculture?)
Our various farming facilities already are capable of that.
>zero-manpower weapons for space
Throw me some specifics and I'll tell you the RP costs and if it is feasible.
>low-mobility space weapons for defense (stowable in large ships, things besides interceptors)
Like fighters only meant for space combat, or more like defensive satellites?
>stealth, ecm-eccm
Stealth is a fixed attribute: Commandos, Nightmares, NADIR Ops and Gunships and APCs driven by Phantasms can stealth. It would be possible to research drones and other Phantasm-pilotable vehicles to stealth as well, but in general they must be fairly light. Electronic warfare is already pre-built into larger Splinter vehicles
>solar wind extractors
The orbital powersat idea is a better alternative that fills a similar role
>asteroid collectors
At the moment, there are few asteroids that merit mining as they only contain metal and the costs of extracting would be too high compared to the returns. I will let you know if there are asteroids that are worth your effort.
>orbital mirror powersats
20 RP, these satellites will collect energy from the sun and beam it down to a power collector dish building on the ground in the form of a microwave beam. They will provide less power than ground based power generators and are slightly more expensive, but will not use up Fuel. As an added bonus, it stores enough excess energy to fire a MASER Beam once a turn at enemy ground forces. It is much smaller and weaker than standard orbital bombardment though, acting more like a giant sniper rifle than a massive bombing run.
>a seed population of mining slugs that breed like flies
45 RP for this research, they will simply improve the efficiency of Derricks on the ground. If you have a different intention in mind, lay it on me.
>space-corn that supplies ships indefinitely with life support
You can just put a small farming dome into a freighter.
>pod people with implanted training
That is impossible right now.
>surgically implanted training
You're going to need to delve further into implant technology to see if that is possible or not.
>space-tolerant lifeforms (!!orbital industry needs this!!)
If you want someone to staff Orbital Factories, you will need sentient beings capable of Worker and Professional training. That will be a very difficult task, costing over 100 RP. They will boost the Orbital BP made by Orbital Factories, but are less useful in terrestrial environments.
>study how magic works
That's built into the tech tree
>how the perception works, how to fool it
Tech tree again
>develop countermeasures
Aside from the resistance to controlling magic that human technology gives, standard technological defenses must be used, like armor
>develop amplifiers
Not sure I understand this one
>use magic to scam free resources and personnel from the enemy
I don't understand this one either
>anomaly manufacture, destruction, long-range detection, temporary generation, pathfinding
Everything dealing with Anomalies is built into the tech tree
>instant-communication miniaturization
Tech tree
>remote-piloted fighters & interstellar exploration craft
Ditto

>>314535
To copy the large Snarren, we will need a mostly intact body to carefully examine. The bodies of the large Snarren we fought so far are unviable, since they were either mostly burned or mutilated by weapons fire. Keep in mind that as
>>314658
has mentioned, a lot of their fearsome power is supernatural in origin, and not something we can replicate. We're not even sure if the creatures are even possible without magic.

>>314558
Giving them sentience and rights is a surefire way to make things more unnecessarily complicated. Creatures bred solely for war will work far better if they are simply lobotomized automatons.

>>314580
Mostly correct, hardship and desperation have made the average Splinter citizen care almost nothing about the lives of their enemies. Pointless destruction toward neutral and friendly species is still frowned upon.

>>314667
The Splinter government is already painted in as positive a light as it can be without going into outright propaganda. Using lies to boost public image will give a temporary boost to morale, but has the chance to seriously backfire. Also, developing new vehicles and organisms doesn't do much for the morale of the Splinter, the citizens prefer seeing victories.

>>314569
Be more specific about this carrier organism you are talking about and I can give you an RP estimate.

>>314901
What about the Large Labs that vanished?

Did someone mention ants earlier? I just had a thought. Giant wasp are a go it seems, and they fill the niche of anti-personnel missile. But imagine what we could do with ants. Breed a clutch of eggs and put them inside a food block. This block is then buried in the ground like a land mine.

The eggs hatch and the ants grow to full size. The ants had a large stinger and are keyed to emit pheromone signals when Snarren or other enemies are detected. These scent signals cause the whole next to boil out of the ground and swarm over the target. The ants do not reproduce and once the food block is consumed the ants either die off or migrate to other food blocks.

Essentially the ants could be used as area denial. Each "colony" is a land mine in the form of an ant swarm, spread invisibly through the ground in a network of tunnels.

---

Apart from that, I suggest giving two types of venom to these creatures. One would be some sort of deadly toxin. The other would be a paralyzing venom, meant to send victims into a catatonic state. These would be used in areas where live prisoners could be recovered. Anti-venom would be used to wake them up. Otherwise they remain in a coma, possibly for a week.

Sound useful?

>typos, typos everywhere!

That's what I get for posting at midnight.

Something I forgot to mention. The ants would be programmed to be more or less like normal ants. They burrow underground in vast networks near the surface. This makes stamping them out very difficult without flooding the occupied terrain. But even then, ants have been dealing with rain and floods for millenia. The colony will probably survive for a time.

They do not breed, or forage for food. Instead they break up the food blocks and store them in chambers spread around the network. If you want to extend the life of a colony, you just give them more food. The ants will harvest the food and take it underground and out of sight. The ant eggs are staggered in such a way that they do not all hatch at once. Extending the effective "life" of a colony. Unhatched eggs are tended to by the other ants and taken along if the colony moves.

If you calculate the consumption rate of food you can guesstimate when a colony will be running low. The ants would naturally migrate to areas with food when they run out. Either joining an existing colony, or following a scent trail to a new location planted ahead of time.

Repurposing a drone to tend these ants would be really easy. All it needs is a food dispenser and something to mark a pheromone trail

>zero-manpower weapons for space
how about a sattelite with a mass driver, aimed from the ground?

it would be like a turrent, but on space and radio controlled

>pod people with implanted training
>surgically implanted training
then how about implants to allow direct control of our machines?

it should improve reaction times and open way to transhumanism for everyone

>>develop amplifiers
>Not sure I understand this one
im almost sure he ment magic amplifiers.

>Giving them sentience and rights is a surefire way to make things more unnecessarily complicated. Creatures bred solely for war will work far better if they are simply lobotomized automatons.
this is tecnically unwanted, but "worked around" with. we might as well start breeding giant sharkdogbirds and add armor to them to help us with CQC. we could even give them human pheromone compatility and spray any friendly alien with pheromones to prevent accidental backfiring.if they could navigate trhu toguth terrain better that our light vehicles and climb most buildings, they would be really great to invade compounds too.

coming to think of it, they could be a good pet for the army until they die.

>Be more specific about this carrier organism you are talking about and I can give you an RP estimate.
it would be interesting to have:
-a hyper resistant, adaptable fly that can transmit any diease at all and breed by the millions. maybe it would be interesting to have its larva not develop in carrion to prevent easy pest control. we would need a means to prevent it from targeting us built in their genes. the plus side is that we could easily use the enemy's natural illness to attack them even if we dont have one researched ourselves.

-a mosquito that can peform the same, but its larvae can survive in the bloodstream. eventually the host will start to bleed due to mosquitoes piercinf their skin. if the disease doesnt get them the mosquitoes will.

Ed Pastry 2011/06/19(Sun)17:21 No. 315189 ID: 75c491
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>>314918
Right. The Labs were never meant to have been demolished, meaning we already finished NEURAL IMPLANTS and have 143 spare RP. Also due to shortages of Professionals, currently only 2 of the Large Labs and 1 of the Massive Labs is active at the moment, giving us a current income of 45 RP.

NEURAL IMPLANTS has been researched. 10 Neural Implants cost 1 IP and 5 SC. They carry the same risk as a Max Strength Implant (%5 chance of death). Neural implants improve both the reflexes and speed of cognition of the implantee. All types of soldiers will benefit slightly from an implant, and labs staffed by implanted Professionals require %10 less staff to operate and give %10 more RP (Total RP will be rounded down, if fractions are givens). In addition, people with neural implants take 6 less turns to train from Nonworker to Worker, or from Worker to Professional.

2 new techs have been unlocked:
INTEGRATED TACTICAL IMPLANT SYSTEM: Soldiers with Neural Implants gain better advantages in combat. In addition, implanting people who weren't vat-grown with them no longer carries a risk of death.

MEMORY MOD: Greatly reduces training time of Professionals and Workers with Neural Implants.

>>314945
-This type of insect will cost 30 RP to create, the relative cheapness of their cost compared to the flying insects due to their lack of mobility.
-To increase the effectiveness of their stingers, appropriate chemical weapons tech must be researched.
-They will behave roughly like a biological landmine
-Like the flying insect swarm, they will only be able to pierce through thin cloth.
-They can only survive on specialy prepared food, allowing them to set how many turns they will be able to survive, up to a max of 6 turns before they must be resupplied
-Four "minefields" can be created per turn from a single Gestation Tank

>>315077
>how about a sattelite with a mass driver, aimed from the ground?
A Railgun Satellite would cost 20 RP, and would have more a much more powerful attack than the previously mentioned Energy Satellite, and can also fire upon enemy Starships.

>then how about implants to allow direct control of our machines?
Either tech tree, or just design autonomous drones to do similar tasks.

>im almost sure he ment magic amplifiers.
All things dealing with magic is in the tech tree

>hyper resistant, adaptable fly that can transmit any diease at all and breed by the millions.
Getting a fly to safely carry biological agents we do not understand yet is impossible.

>a mosquito that can peform the same, but its larvae can survive in the bloodstream
This basically carries the same purpose as the previously discussed insect swarm, except that it can breed using the enemy's bodies. That would raise the RP cost to 45 RP and make them slightly more sluggish, due to having to design an appropriate reproductive system for them.

Order of Research should be Computers IV, Deadly Ant Swarm, and the INTEGRATED TACTICAL IMPLANTS, so we can give ALL our soldiers plants, and our civvies! Having Brain-Broadband should improve morale!

we probably ought to get those zero-fatality implants researched as soon as plausible. I suggest we don't research ants. at least not until we've researched some of those chemical weapons. I'm assuming those gas-related research things are those.

I've also noticed that for quite some time now we haven't been able to fully staff our facilities. some additional gestation tanks may be due, methinks.

we only have a few hundred unts of super conductors left. I say we shelve furthr reasarch on implats until we have the superconductors necessary to make useful numbers of them.
suggested research order
computing systems IV
warp tech II
warp slug cannons

I also suggest we abandon our colonies and pull out of the universe that has the dryads. There is nothing to be gained and much to be lost by engaging the breaker fleet. if i recall correctly we fond at least a few good sites to relocate to on the other side of the anomaly.

>>315189
FULL SPEED MEMORY MODS. Addition professionals are teh sex!

We can delay researching the ant swarm for now. Wait until after we have the right chemical research done. They are really only useful for area denial, and so far we have no battleground to sow. Thought we could massively troll the Dryads with them.

Power satellites and Railgun satellites are a great idea. We can take them with us when they move and even use them in a space battle. We need a way of increases the firepower of our fleet, but so far we don't have the ability to put down roots and build lots of starships.

We should finish things up with the shrimp guys, as it seems we may be leaving this area completely.

>>315328

...we kind of have been neglecting our relationship with the shrimps, haven't we? we're not trading, and their planet doesn't even have a name yet!

hmm. maybe they have the superconductors we need.

When we do make the wasps and ants. Would it be possible to make them resemble Earth creatures as much as possible?

It was mentioned that sending bio-engineered critters into combat would reduce morale. But since we went the Karras route, why not spin this in a positive light? Ants and Wasps are refugees from a destroyed Earth, just like we are. It might give our people heart to see them take the fight to the enemy.

I'd like to note that we did finish research on IMPROVED MOTORS >>284925 it just isn't lit up for some reason.

Okay, gonna set up a build order here. 3 turns.

Turn 0: Research on COMPUTING SYSTEMS IV completes. 53 spare RP. First, let's finally do culture exchange with the Galt for 36 RP. 17 left. Let's dump that into Warpslug Cannon because I want to get really really good guns and blast the Breakers out of the sky. Speaking of good guns, did we outfit all our ships with Chaos (ship-mounted plasma) guns? Those work well against shields, so we should be good for offense against Breaker ships with those. If we haven't, well...
Turn 1: Finish the Warp II retrofit on the ships we started on. There was only 1 turn left for that, iirc, and would cost 36 SC. We'll only be getting 25 OBP however. If Chaos cannons haven't been fitted to the ships then we should do that. Also if we have any ships docked that could use the Warp II retrofit, start that next. If not, start building a Corvette once all the retrofitting's done. We could use more space power.
RP: 45/turn. Warpslug's gonna be at 62/150. It'll complete after turn 3.
BP available: 198 (216-27) x3=594.
PRODUCE:
Goodsx1000 x6
Carsx100 x1
42 BP

BUILD:
Hospital x1
Command Center x1 (wait, shouldn't we have this already? My previous build order that was used for the combined one has it, and we're getting the morale bonus...)
Stadium x1
M. Shop x1
M. Entertainment x1
Buildings will require 1000 metal, 12 SC, 335 workers, 25 profs. Well, actually, more like 15 profs since that hospital will replace the medical district. We'll be slightly overworked as it is right now, but... I noticed something. We only need ONE university running! They house 1800 students and we only have about 1500 learning atm. So shut one down, and start training 300 profs to fill our capacity. We'll have another 60 profs free which is more than enough to cover the hospital.

CONSTRUCT:
Antiair Plasma Array x20
Naval Plasma Battery x5 75BP
MLRS Deployable Minefieldx5 x10 10BP
Gunship x5 75BP
Heavy Gunship x2 100BP
Test Pattern x5 200BP
Weaver x3 3BP
Reaver x15 30BP (I still want to do a reaver drop. We can put tiny parachutes on them to let them survive the fall.)
That's all our BP.
The factories will use 841 metal, 76 Fuel, 150 SC.

Hey, what's the trading situation like with the Galt now? Our resources have changed so the old deal isn't quite valid anymore. I think we should trade a couple of obsolete techs to them regardless.

OTHER PEOPLE: Feel free to add things to do. For instance, I didn't use any of our IP because I'm not really sure if we want to use any before getting the safety upgrade. Also, feel free to vote for different research options. As it is now the only clear majority is finishing Computing Systems IV.

just a reminder that we should probably avoid building anything that we can't take with us, we really do not want to get caught by the breaker fleet.

>>315745
We have plasma weapons on our ships. We can fight back now. We have better tech than we did when they destroyed our home, don't forget that.

I want to at least try a small skirmish using plasma weapons, before we evacuate. I think our ships might be faster than theirs too.

our rapid technological advance is another reason to avoid conflict rather than seek it. we do not want the breakers to realize just how fast we are advancing until we are advanced enough to pose a threat to them, there is nothing here worth reveling our new ship scale weapons.

>>315798
I think we'll be fine here for a while. Let's set up a f'real base here and work on building up our tech and resources as quickly as possible.

>>315746
hmmmm.... you got me thinking.

we could research the breaker plague if we get enought of the breaker.

so lets set a small commando team to disable their shuttles and put them on the ground. when thats done we will know for sure if our weapons will work on them, thats when we attack their ships still on the sky. capturing or destroying them would be a moot point, we are likely to get either the crew on the ship or the stranded soldiers on the planet.

The multi-universe thing is getting really hard to keep track of. Especially since most of our explored territories are spread between gate jumps.

Do we have a list of planets, where they are and what universe they are in? An overall map would help a lot in understanding the situation.

By the way, have we broken down the obsolete Breaker weapons for resources yet?

>>316406
Assuming we can reconstruct some if we need to in the future for whatever reason. I don't see any downside to recycling them.

Keep a couple just in case, and for test purposes.

biochemical weapons, because otherwise we'll have picked Karras for nothing.

>>316535
Huh, the Naval plasma cannons are mounted on starships? That's a bit odd but okay!

Also that build order was supposed to last 3 turns. We definitely don't have enough BP to make all that military stuff! However I suppose I should add stuff to it. We need more residential in Baikonur after all, and construction of the Archive base should start too. ...it sounds like the Archive planet is completely devoid of life. I guess we don't have to worry about hostiles then.

Wait, what is Fleet 1 and what is Fleet 2? Is Fleet 1 the fleet around Baikonur? Do we have anyone in the Occissor aside from the military dudes piloting it? I mean, can we make a base there at all?

Also let's name the Archive's star Thoth.

BAIKONUR:
BUILD
Residential District x4
Luxury Complex x1

>>316603
Fucking hell I am a moron, now I'll have to re update tomorrow then. I admit I never double check anything. I didn't see much suggestion in your post that you wanted it to carry on for 3 turns, though I guess I should have noticed the BP usage was pretty ridiculous for just 1 turn.
I'll assume these buildings are to be tacked on to your previous build order list

Also Fleet 1 is indeed the fleet around Baikonur. The contents and locations of the starships are listed on the update pages. Occissor has only a few soldiers and professionals and no resources to make a base.

Also yes the Naval Plasma Cannons are starship weaponry. The Splinter 'Navy' is really just the starships, there hasn't been a need for making aquatic vehicles... yet.

>>316613
Hmm alright let me modify that build order then. We need more starship-mounted plasma for sure!

Cancel the construction of ALL those Gunships and Heavy Gunships. Build 15 extra Naval Plasma Battery instead. Also switch the 3x Weaver and 15x Reaver to 2x Weaver and 20x Reaver. I am deadly serious about Reaver swarming. We could even alter how the MLRS Deployable Minefield works so that it launches a bunch of Reavers instead.

This will change the material costs from
841 metal, 76 Fuel, 150 SC
to
784 metal, 16 Fuel, 335 SC

Also I'd like to order the Occissor to return to Baikonur, although it should wait at the Anomaly until we know that the Breaker fleet won't ambush them when they teleport here. I wish we knew what kind of sensors they have. Our fleet at Baikonur is stealthed, that I know. The question is, can Fleet 2 reach Baikonur without the Breakers spotting it midway?

we might want to research Neptune and chiron gas. the snaran seem to lack any kind of NBC gear and I bet we can come up with some way of delivering it to the breakers. Its also really cheap.

Ed Pastry 2011/06/23(Thu)11:35 No. 316761 ID: 75c491
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With the discovery of COMPUTING SYSTEMS IV two new drones have been unlocked, and existing drones are now more intelligent.

The discovery of GALT CULTURE allowed us to gain more insight into their society. The Galts have a very large focus on personal wealth, and are intensely dedicated with the concept of trade. Ever since the dawn of their civilization, finding out how to trade two very different goods and thus what things are worth is of foremost concern to them. They became a society based on trade and businesses, with powerful corporations becoming like nations. Armed conflict is a concept they are mostly unfamiliar with, preferring other methods to usurp one another.
Additional information about the Galts can be provided as requested.

The discovery of WARPSLUG CANNONS have unlocked new weapons for us to build. Warpslug weapons were unable to be miniaturized to the point where infantry and light weapons could be made. They are very expensive and are slightly less effective versus shields compared to plasma, but they more than make up for these deficiencies with their advantages. First of all, Warpslug weapons have the longest range of any weapons designed thus far, and are unmatched in terms of sheer damage they can cause. Even medium warpslug cannons can penetrate any form of ground unit armor we have seen so far. A new AA missile weapon using very similar Warpslug technology has been designed, and can be used on Interceptors, Test Patterns and Shii to replace their standard missiles. Naval Warpslug batteries can engage orbital bombardment like Naval Railguns, but are much more devastating (don't use them on targets too near our troops!) and cost 10 Fuel to fire per volley instead of 10 SC. They still can only fire 10 times per turn at most, and the only Carriers and Battleships can engage in orbital bombardment. A minimum of 5 batteries must be installed on a ship in order for it to fire on the ground.

OCCISSOR still is unable to have its engines upgraded due to being near the Archive in the other universe. (The star the Archive is located still needs a name as well)

The Archive remains sealed despite attempts by the Occissor's crew to access it. A base of operations with a lab structure will be necessary to research the building.

People who are still stuck in the starship instead of planetside housing are getting increasingly restless, though the production of more housing on the ground is keeping them from going over the edge.

Insufficient entertainment and shop structures are resulting in a reduced morale boost.

>>295805
>>295910
>>295947
As a there are no new batches of workers being trained, bringing Dryads into the workforce is not occurring yet. Altering some of the residences and offering token authority positions to the Dryad leaders is helping prevent deterioration of morale.

>>298574
The cultists are just some strange religious movement who worship the Splinter as angels or gods or somesuch. Snippets of news gleaned from the Galts reveal that they are fairly similar to some modern cults that occurred on Earth, in the fact they seem to be more about giving lots of money to a figurehead than any actual real religious meaning.

>>315674
Morale concerns with bio-engineered combat creatures really only comes into play if they are sentient. Most people won't have qualms with mindless insects being weaponized.

>>315740
The build order is taken. The Command Center was indeed already finished, I fixed that on the spreadsheet.

>>316216
I'll make one a bit later

Ed Pastry 2011/06/23(Thu)11:37 No. 316762 ID: 75c491
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New techs have been unlocked:
COMPUTING SYSTEMS V: Unlocks more drone types, and drone intelligence will increase to a point where they will be nearly as effective as standard pilots (though they will lack the ability to become veteran Phantasm Aces)

DISRUPTIVE SHELL: The Splinter's fist attempt at energy shielding. It will function quite differently to the shields that the Breaker and Snarren use.

as amazing as the disruptive shell sounds it is expensive as hell. i suggest starting up the neptune and chiron gasses before making the bugs so they can be outfitted with SUPER poison against their selected targets. and may as well do the planetary research.

oh boy, energy shields. we should research that right after we research warp tech 3 and order the Occissor to return to be refitted so we don't crap our pants when we do eventually run into the Breaker fleet. we'll have the means to defend and escape.

I'm thinking of starting to prepare to get a new colony up at the Archive as well, since we eventually will have to anyway and need a leg to fall back on to. might as well get going already to turn it profitable as soon as possible.

at least one of those gases must be researched- probably CHIRON, since the research tree implies it to be Breaker-related and they're apparently the only real threat to us right now.

I'm still against bugs due to their inability to perforate anything better than thin clothing. no point in investing resources into something that can't really do much against giant spaceships and tanks with energy shields and even armored infantry when we could be just gassing them or poisoning our munitions.

>>316769
the snarren wear loincloths. they are totally unarmored.

also, imagine the situation like when we were defending the temple again. just RELEASE THE BEES and all the snarren die.

Go with CHIRON GAS. Then MEMORY MODS. Then KILLER SPACE BEES WITH CHIRON VENOM. Then NEPTUNE GAS.
Then COMPUTRONICS BUILDING.

And someone better at Accountancy than I should do the Queue

I think that the Memory Mods should be our next research goal, followed by whatever military essentials we need (bees, etc.) and then the Tactical Implant System. It will be a huge investment of RP to get both, but the death risk from implantation effectively makes the implants more expensive and hurts our ultimately limited supply of personnel.

Warp III is on my list for after that. It's hard to argue that moving extremely quickly is anything but essential.

I think we should research INTEGRATED TACTICAL IMPLANTS before memory mods. we do not want a 5% risk of death for something we are putting in our scientist.

>>316813
I had figured that after getting memory mods we'd put the implants in our nonworker population and then send them into schooling. We get the maximum gain per implant that way, and our nonworkers aren't anywhere near as valuable as our professionals and workers.

I agree that we definitely don't want to put neural implants into any of our professionals until there is no risk from doing so. No implanting our commandos, either, although we'll probably want to do so at some point.

think gasses would be best. would give us ANOTHER weapon.
also new vehicle idea a tank with both a plasma gun and a warpslug on it right next to eachother. would use the plasma to open a hole in a shield and then fire a warpslug though the opening. should be super effective against giant snarren.

>>316818
Technically we already have tanks with two guns, Slowpoke drones.

>>316821
Slowpokes were changed from drone tanks to superheavy tanks with 2 heavy guns. Like a mammoth tank. We do have heavy ground plasma cannons, so if you can find a way to miniaturize the warpslug that would work great.

We were able to miniaturize the warpslug cannons down to medium level, so we already have a heavy version.

iron town is in the same system as the breaker fleet right? I think we should start deconstructing it. we need to pull out of that universe yesterday.

Suggestion 2011/06/23(Thu)18:41 No. 316896 ID: c5d5f7
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If our AI intelligence is getting this close to human level, can we start thinking about robotic infantry?

>>316873
I think we did that already.

>>316845
*slaps forehead*

The new update picture was so big that I looked at everything except the bottom right corner

The warpslug weapons look great. Do railguns have any advantages over the warpslug cannons? If not we should phase them out whenever possible. If the warpslugs can deal with shields almost as well as plasma is there really any point in mixing the two? Just give slowpokes 2 cannons and it will have maximum firepower at long range.

For upgrading our fleet, I would say phase out the railguns for plasma. Warpslugs are very expensive, so only give enough to the carrier to allow it to bombard surface targets. Our destroyers and cruisers should also get 1 or two.

If possible, could we retrofit naval railgun batteries into those railgun kill-sats we mentioned earlier?

Also, I vote warp tech III, then the gasses, then the bugs, then the implant stuff.

>>316896
we do have walking drones, but they are fairly terrible. A tracked drone or spiderbot design might work well however. A minitank essentially.

.. a metal slug style minitank?

>>316914
If you'd like yeah. Two tracks, turreted weapons, perhaps twin-linked infantry rifles. We already have IRL drones like this mounted with heavy machine guns and grenade launchers and stuff.

If designed properly they can even climb stairs, so the only thing you lose out on versus a 2-legged design is the ability to shoot down.

id like to consider ethnical uses of the drones.

its possible that we may be getting near a self aware drone tecnology, possibly we can already make a hive of it. how about researching some sort of morality code restriction for it?

a hivemind style of decision making could be interesting if we want to make fire and forget drone armies, there could be "support" drones doing repairs, collecting energy and making ammo, effectively reducing the amount of officers or whatever we replace decision making with.

Looks like the majority wants to research gasses and bugs next. So let's do that. I really want shields but that seems to not be on the table. Oh well.

3-turn build order.
RESEARCH:
Neptune Gas, Chiron Gas, BEEEEEES!
20,20,40. 80 RP, done on turn 2.
Memory Mods is next. 150 RP, will be at 55/150 at Turn 3. It'll complete 3 turns after that. Sheesh.

BUILD:
L. Warehouse x3 (we're producing metal at a frightening rate. We need more storage if we really want all this. In fact, we are currently PAST capacity, if storage is used for all resource types as well as food and goods. I imagine that some of this stuff is being stored outside of our ships and warehouses somehow? The consequences for running out of storage room were never mentioned.)

Since we aren't actually using any OBP at this point, we'll have 648 BP at our disposal.

PRODUCE:
Goodsx1000 x5

CONSTRUCT:
Heavy Gunship x1
SHII x3
FARMERx2 x7
Warpslug Cannon x10
Heavy Warpslug Cannon x4
Naval Plasma Battery x17
Naval Warpslug Battery x5
The factories will use 774 metal, 30 fuel, and 479 SC. We can afford it.
Those Naval guns sure use up a lot of SC. We still need to make 10 more to fully equip our ships, too. What were we using our metal for before anyway? I am coming nowhere close to using what we're producing. I suppose if we built shitloads of vehicles we might though.

>>317093
Oh wait I forgot about the 2 spare RP we have. Memory Mods will be at 57/150 instead.

>The consequences for running out of storage room were never mentioned.
I would imagine that gathering just stops. Can we store as much as possible on the carrier to pick up the slack? We do need more warehouses of course.

Have a chat with our staff and figure out the best and safest way to get the Occissor home to us, and a properly equipped scientific team to the Anomaly.

Oh and don't forget to include housing in the build order! We have people in orbit getting restless.

>>317098
That's gonna be finished next turn.

ok i'm confused, and bad at reading spread sheets. could someone sum up whats going on with the breaker fleet and iron-town?

>>317126
We evacuated Iron Town shortly before the Dryads could call space worthy vehicles for the Breakers. So in short, Iron Town is gone, i´t´s cannon saviley stowed on one of the ships and the Breaker have hopefully no idea were we are.

The fleet they have has around the same mass that three of our destroyers have, so yeah, they propably outnumber us. I hope this helps

Ah, one last thing! Let's ask Voronova what he thinks about the Breaker fleet's movements, and how our ships compare to theirs now. Does he think we could take them in a fight yet?

...wait a second! If we're not using the Orbital Factory for anything, turn it Inactive and put our spare profs back to work at the University. Then we can have everything running that needs to be running, WHILE training some Dryads. Just put as many as we can in there, Mages first.

Ask Segale for a Dryad morale update afterwards.

Snarren shields deflect solid projectiles. The proposed Splinter Disruptive shields are stated to "work differently". Can you explain this or will we just have to research them and find out?

Energy shields would be fantastic, but I don't think we have the resources necessary to fully utilize them just yet. Better to avoid combat altogether for now.

>>317895
Even if we can take them in a fight now, we probably shouldn't. It's an unnecessary risk. Salvaging Breaker tech isn't worth the potential cost of fighting right now. After we have our own shield tech, maybe it would be worth it. We still don't know how Breaker shields work.

>>318359
i agree, we need to build up a a good sized fleet, or get our own shields before we even think of fighting the breakers in space

This is far future planning. But do you guys think our second capital ship should be a carrier or a battleship?

The battleship obviously has more weapons and armour, but the carrier would make it a lot easier to move a growing population. The carrier could also bring its fighter craft to the battle.

I somehow doubt we will ever be able to make a truly permanent settlement. So staying on the move might be the only way to survive.

we need a planet with no intelligent life on it that worships totus. cause using the gate leaves them unable to find us. then the only way to track us is by being ratted out.

Ed Pastry 2011/07/04(Mon)00:00 No. 321436 ID: 4d024e
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Three turns pass. The Breaker fleet continues to meander around the Gretz star system.

The completion of new housing has eliminated the morale problems plaguing the populace stuck in orbit, and the training of Dryads as Workers is helping to ease them into accepting Splinter rule. They are gradually becoming more accepted among the civilians as equal citizens rather than refugee baggage or primitive natives.

CHIRON GAS and NEPTUNE GAS have been researched. All chemical weapons will have full effect against unprotected Snarren and Breakers.

A new creature has been designed, a type of lethal stinging insect, nicknamed "Ghasts". They may be created at Gestation Tanks and used against the enemies of the Splinter. Civilian reception of these biological weapons is mostly neutral.



>>316898
Railgun's advantages over Warpslug weaponry is that it is much cheaper and the less explosive impact allows for less collateral damage.

>>316919
A tracked drone with twin-linked infantry weapons would cost 10 RP to make. It would be slightly more expensive and less able to maneuver very rough terrain, but will be more durable, pack better firepower and have better accuracy.

>>317007
Combat drones will not be given sentient AI, only powerful basic programs to deal with a huge variety of combat situations. If you want sentient AI, you just need to ask for it. (Not yet though, tech is not quite up to that level yet)

The self-sufficient drone army you are suggesting will take a considerable sum or RP to make. A wide variety of drones must be designed to fully support this idea.

>>317093
When warehouse capacity is reached, Derricks will stop gaining more resoures. Max storage space has not been reached yet; food and goods only take up 1/100 of a storage space per unit.

>>318290
Exact details on the shield's functioning will not be given until the tech is complete.

>>317097
>>317895
OCCISSOR CAPTAIN: Sir, the Breaker fleet appears to be currently moving away from the Anomaly. We should move while they are still elsewhere. Remember that they only have engines that more 1 parsec per turn, as opposed to our much more powerful engines.

WING COMMANDER VORONOVA: The enemy fleet is moving in a search pattern. They will eventually find us. We can outrun them easily, since we are at least three times as fast as their ships. Our ship armor has not changed since the Demise, so even if we outnumber them we can expect to take heavy damage. Our plasma weapons have similar range to their guns, but warpslug guns have much greater range. Our guns can break through their shields and most likely their will be able to defeat their armor. Exactly how much punishment they can take we don't know exactly, so I advise to get as much warpslug as possible and take them out before they can get into range. We cannot "kite" them with the warpslug guns because when we not in FTL travel we are the same speed as they are, and they could always try surrounding us.

LIEUTENANT GENERAL SEGALE: The Dryad education is progressing fairly well, but we are running into a few problems. Older Dryads have been found vehemently arguing with teachers and disapproving of our curriculum, and younger less willing students avoiding classes altogether. I expect about %20 less Worker graduates when compared to standard Human and Nautil students. The Dryads relatively poor performance in the education programs is causing a few humans to look down upon them as inferior, and there are quite a few Dryads who still resent our culture. These are rather minor issues though, in general there has been a noticeable increase of the species intermingling rather than isolating from each other, and there are very few problems serious problems arising from cultural differences.

told you we need the energy shields.

Recommend looking into the source of these arguments. This may be small now, but with our morale problems in the fleet, anything should be counted as a problem.

Also recommend we step up creation of Warpslug weaponry, and also recommend construction of some kind of Injector missile to deploy chemical and biological weapons against enemy starship crews.

we should nip the problems with the dryads in the bud if we can, we do not want an angry oppressed minority in the fleet. We should also get the hell out of dodge. we do not want to risk a confrontation with the breaker fleet.

>>321436
I recommend private tutors for those Dryads who argue with teachers or avoid classes. They need to learn how we do things, even if they disagree with it.

ALTERNATIVELY, wait until we have some dryad Professors and have them teach those less willing to learn under human teachers.

Perhaps we could simply arrange study groups where the more cooperative Dryads can help explain concepts to those less eager to learn.

Run these ideas by LIEUTENANT GENERAL SEGALE. Since this is a minor issue we don't actually have to do anything but if we can do something easily about the problem then we should.

Have the Occissor move to meet up with our base, then we can put the 45 profs in the ship working in the Orbital Factory to refit the ship, and throw the extras at the Medical Outpost for a little bit of extra benefit.

I recommend going full production on making Warpslug Naval Batteries. Possibly researching shields, though it'll take a YEAR to finish... looking at their search pattern it may actually take a year for them to find us though. Maybe we can distract them with an attack on Gretz? Just a few turns more RP and we should manage to research shields before we have to fight them head on. These avenues are the highest priority right now, unless we just want to evacuate to the other universe.

Unfortunately even with those 45 extra profs we don't have enough profs to man both massive labs and ALSO man the universities and hospital. We'd have to shut down all our medical buildings, or a university. Neither is a good idea. Even then we'd only get an extra 9 RP per turn... oh well! I guess we could just put our extra profs on the Medical Outpost alongside the Hospital, for extra medical benefit.

I'll post a build order later after everyone weighs in on what we should be doing.

>>321501
>also recommend construction of some kind of Injector missile to deploy chemical and biological weapons against enemy starship crews.
That seems immensely impractical. The very same systems which contain any atmospheric leaks in the event of a hull breach would be ideal for sealing off any penetration of a spaceship by such a missile.

>>321531
>Maybe we can distract them with an attack on Gretz?
Having some of our ships act as raiders and harry the enemy fleet and/or draw them off in a direction we're not actually in could potentially buy us quite a bit of time. It would be risky for the chosen raiders, admittedly, but the potential benefits make it attractive enough that I'd back it. As long as they have our best engines and warpslug cannons, they should be able to give significantly better than they get and hopefully send the enemy's search patterns in entirely the wrong direction looking for us.

>>321531

or, if it's possible, the professors could be tasked to work together with dryad eggheads to devise an alternative education system that would be suited to the dryads' 'cultural sensitivity' while still allowing them to function as workers/professionals/etc by the end of it. anyone who wishes to take it instead of the standard procedure would be allowed to do so without further ado.

how you got my interest, because its likely we could use support drones.

something in the line of the mulebot the army uses, but that would be able to recognize wounded soldiers and drag them, make first aid, etc.

a small warp-alpha-warp strategy can net us the victory we want, assuming we have at least 2/3 of their forces and we can damage them signifcantly.

getting a few ships with warpslugs and doing guerrila tactics might work even if we dont kill them at fist shot.

we make 2 fleets, one in a reinforced defensive position, the other ready to leave; the undefended fleet warp in at maximun warpslug range, attack the breaker ship. if we destroy it, the sniping fleet should warp to the defensive position and wait with both fleets to snipe the 2 remaining fleets. if we do not, warp to the anomaly wich they intend to leave at maximun warpslug distance, at that point the defensive fleet should warp in at the breaker army wich is now preparing to warp away and finish off that ship.

oh wait, its likely they will divide to send warnings to their home base. we need a small scout able to take out scouts or delay their exiting anwyay.

after our fleet at the breaker exit point take its shot, it should hold its ground as the defensive fleet warps in at similar range in a different direction to also give the shot to the damaged ship. at that point its friction war, we would have 2 fleets at one fleet, one on thier front and another on their back/side.

>>321531
i think its a culture thing. if they are used to apprentice/master setting we should make changes. maybe setting them to work with experienced personnel could do them good.

unless...

if they are mages, we need to take good care of them. there is sure some sort of work and research we can do with them.

Have we inducted any Dryads into the military yet?

i'm down-voting the idea of launching raids on the breakers. we have what, 4 warships? we don't have enough ships to send out a raiding fleet.

Okay let see:

1. For now, suspend all construction of ground-based weapons and equipment. Save the resources for fitting our combat ships and the carrier with warpslug cannons. The rest can make do with plasma.

2. Expand our interceptor fleet and build at least enough warp torpedoes for a single engagement. Put all "extra" research into computer systems V and then energy shields.

3. Was there any mention of anti-fighter point defense plasma or warpslug? We are still using rainguns, might want to consider upgrading to at least plasma.

4. Research the new metal slug drones cause they are cheap. Recycle all of the Bromeliads as obsolete and replace them with the new drone.

5. Bring the Occissor home and upgrade its engine. Equip her or another ship with a scientific detachment and send it back to the Anomaly. Finding a home clear of Totus influence is our #1 priority.

6. Did we research the Galt planet yet? Might as well fit that in.

Our priorities should be, (in this order).
- Find a safe place that we can put down roots and do some serious growth.
- Up-gun our fleet to warpslug cannons and built up a large squadron of human piloted and drone interceptors with warp torpedoes. As many as our carrier can reasonably fit and launch.
- Wrap up loose ends with the shrimp.

Can we get a rundown on the state of our implant tech? There are a bunch of different types now and each one has a different level of risk.

hey ed, can we have a summary of whats going on right now? i'm a bit confused lost

>>321436
Alright, time to set up a build order.

THIS IS A 4-TURN BUILD ORDER. I figure that's how long it'd take before the occissor is refitted. It'll get here in three turns, then refitted in one turn.

Looks like nobody really wants to research anything but the shields now so let's do that.

RESEARCH: Switch immediately to Disruptive Shell. It will complete in 12 rounds.

...no, we can do better.
TURN 1:
Shut down 2 factories, and use our free professionals to staff the spaceship-bound Small Lab. Having the Small Lab running for at least 6 turns will allow us to finish the research a turn early. That could be all the time we need, as it looks like the breakers are staying 2 tiles away from Gretz during their search pattern. That will take 12-13 turns for them to reach us, if they do not somehow discover our location before they come within visual range. Even so, after the occissor is refitted we should send it out as part of the raiding fleet to harass and delay the breakers. We can discuss that more next build order.

TURN 4:
Since the Occissor is here (arrived at the beginning of the turn), we'll have another 45 profs free. Start up the Orbital Factory and 1 more Ground Factory. Refit the engines on the Occissor. After that's done... well, I can detail how to put the profs back to work next build order.

I just realized we have more space in our Fortress for training dudes.

TRAIN:
288 Crew. Apparently drones use Crew!? We're running low because of that.

BUILD:
Luxury Complex x7 because we're quite close to the population cap, and besides, we need 6 more to get a +1 total morale bonus from them. Half the population needs to be in there! (note, in order for the calculation to work right, the empty non-luxury buildings need to be set as inactive)
Large Shop x2
Large Entertainment x2
Medium Smelter x1
Medium Derrick(SC) x5 holy crap we have quite enough metal I think! Let's put 5 derricks of workers over to more SC generation. ...or just use our rather large number of free workers to staff them.
4900 Metal, 62 SC.

We have 108x4=432 BP with two large factories running. There will be a third Factory active on the fourth turn, so, that's an extra 54 BP. The three factories will be supporting the orbital factory, so knock 18 off that. 468 BP total.
CONSTRUCT:
Goodsx1000 x5
Carsx100 x1
APC x4
Naval Warpslug Battery x16 (all we can make with current SC income. That'll bring us up to 21 total. Good enough for a raiding fleet.)
Chemical Gasserx15 x10
Chemical Grenade Launcher x50
Missile Pod x12
Chemical Bomb x20
Chemical Hellstorm x15
MLRS Gas Strikex5 x30
MLRS Deployable Minefieldx5 x12
1324 Metal, 9 Fuel, 400 SC, 468 BP.

Also speak to SEGALE as outlined in >>321531 and ask Dwight if he's got any general advice about our situation. Is there anything we've been overlooking?

Hey, we can't take apart our Breaker weapons for any SC can we?

Oh. Maybe we should trade with the Galts a bit. Trade 10000 Goods for Fuel. Or SC if they have any. Heck, trade some more low tech to them.

I vote we reunite the fleet. Unless i'm mistaken right now most of the population is living on the ships dangerously close to a breaker fleet. with a small colony on the other side of the anomaly that the breakers won't be able to find for a long time. we should move the fleet through the anomly befor we do anything else, then we can do >>324039 but only once we have a colony up and running.

>>324043
You are mistaken. Almost all of the population is planetside. If we can delay the breakers for just a couple turns I am 100% certain that we will be prepared enough to kill them before they reach our colony. Even if we didn't put any more derricks on SC, we have enough income to make 4 Warpslug Batteries per round. There's 37 slots on our ship, and we have 5 already. So we need 8 rounds to fully equip our ships with Warpslug. Also, in 11 turns we will have Disruptive Shell, which I'm sure will make our ships durable enough to weather Breaker fire assuming they survive our onslaught.

We DO have extra Worker population right now so we could go start setting up a colony at the Archive after the Occissor returns, but that will merely allow us to access the Archive faster, not protect our dudes. Also we don't really have any free Professionals, unless you want to delay getting Disruptive Shell. I'm sure researching the Archive would require professionals on site. Granted, we only need the Small Lab to run for 6 turns in order to get Disruptive Shell in 11 turns, so it would be possible to shut it down after we have enough RP and send those profs on the ship. Keep in mind that would either leave the new colony defenseless, or draw military force away from the main colony where we *must* kill the Breakers.

There was a time when I thought we stood no chance against the Breakers, and I wanted to run and hide in the Archive's system too. I no longer have that fear. We can beat them.

Maybe not beat them but at least give them one hell of a bloody nose before we scoot back to a hidden colony. We picked subjugation remember? Getting them to leave us alone is more important than just blowing them up.

Also don't forget that it will still take resources and BP to retrofit shields onto our ships.

>Apparently drones use Crew!? We're running low because of that.
They do? I was under the impression that running drones required staff and a command center. So people oversee the drones and they take commands from the base computers. But having crew assigned to each drone would defeat the whole purpose.

we gain nothing from attacking the breaker fleet. we also have no idea how well there shields will hold up to warp slung attacks. right now we lack to ability to replace any ships we lose, and if a ship has something as simple as engine damage we would have to leave it behind. If we lose the battle we losse the fleet, if we win the battle but take even light losses we will have significantly reduced our ability to survive, if we win without taking any loses we ensure that the next breaker fleet send to hunt use will be much larger. The gains for attacking the breaker fleet would have to be truly staggering to make the attack worth it.

>>324658
We would be killing breakers, that's a pretty goddamn noble cause. And besides, we already KNOW that warpslug is good against their shields. Also, we could salvage some tech from the wrecks. Maybe even resources? Prisoners for intel and Breaker Plague research?

We can in fact replace our ships, we just need a Massive orbital factory to do it in less than a year for smaller ones. Bigger ones will still take fooooorever. That is, if I'm understanding correctly how orbital factories work.

By my understanding, each orbital factory can take 1 work order. They cannot assist eachother. So a Massive orbital factory would make 54 OBP when fully assisted while we are under the current leader. A Battleship would take 56 turns. A Carrier would take 65. A Destroyer would take 12, a Cruiser would take 17, and a Freighter or Corvette would take 5. We could have multiple orbital factories working on ships at the same time, of course. Then they'd take the same length of time but pop out multiples once it's done.

we know warpslug weapons are almost as effective against shields as plasma weapons, but we still have no idea how durable breaker ship shields are. as for your argument about replacing lost ships, we don't have the orbital infrastructure to do so. we would have to build the orbital factory's , and then build the ships, this would take a very long time and probably be insanely expensive. also yes we would be killing breakers. one fleet. one fleet that while out-numbing us by a decent margin (according to the mass scans) that is probably not a significant portion of there forces. the breakers are not us. they have worlds plural, and are to a man soldiers. they could probably replace that fleet without much time or trouble. we would at best be tipping our hand, and at worst they could destroy the fleet. We will need to fight them some day, but when we do it will not involve going in blind against a fleet that outnumbers us, before we have the infrastructure in place to replace any serous losses.

>>324934
How about we just talk about this in questdis?

Ed Pastry 2011/07/17(Sun)15:55 No. 327234 ID: 4d024e
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There was a problem on the spreadsheet that made it think drones required crew. It has been fixed
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RBMTLB7N

Due to conflicting suggestions the idea to assault the Breakers have been put off for these few turns.

The Freighter Vesuvius was dispatched to Gulch and has picked traded our goods and a few outdated nonmilitary tech for more Fuel. The Galts still would like to have access to our better technologies, but they still have fairly little to offer us in return.

>>321541
The mulebot idea would cost 10 RP, but since all infantrymen have adequate medical supplies and training it would only be helpful in situations where it is impossible to send a human team to recover wounded soldiers.

Also, I don't understand the wording of your tactical plan. The only thing I can say is that hit-and-run guerrilla tactics won't work well in space combat since it takes time to enter and leave FTL.

>>321572
No Dryads have been officially inducted into any military force yet, though the fighters who served in the rebellion on Gretz can be capable emergency militia should the time call for them. Official training for them would best be done as Light Infantrymen, as they make poor pilots and would lack cohesion with humans if trained as Commandos. They can't be trained as Power Troopers until they get a specially designed Power Armor for them (8 RP)

>>321779
Well, I'll try to give my best summary of the situation: A small Breaker fleet is scouting the area around the Gretz star system, looking for any sign of the Splinter. The entirety of Splinter forces is located at Thrace, a planet in a star system somewhat near Gretz. An Anomaly has been scouted in a mostly resourceless planet in a different universe, and which needs a base built on the planet to be researched. There is some small trade going on with the Galt species. There are a few problems with Dryads integrating into the Splinter, but for the most part there have been surprisingly few problems. Our weapons technology exceeds those of any enemy we have faced thus far, but we still are working on developing defensive energy shields.

If you want any more specifics, feel free to ask.

>>321754
MinStrength implants carry a 2.5% risk of death, while MaxStrength and Neural Implants carry a 5% risk.

>>324039
Breaker weapons can be recycled for half their build cost in SC.

>>324039
>>321531
>>321538
>>321531
LIEUTENANT GENERAL SEGALE: Most problems we face are cultural, and the fact that the Dryads are not used to our methods and curriculum of education. Waiting until we have Dryad teachers will take a long time, and using more compliant Dryads to help educate the others, while showing some results, is not perfectly alleviating the cultural divide. There is a noticeable improvement, but still it is expected that 10% of Dryad graduates will be unfit for labor.

VICE ADMIRAL DWIGHT: As far as the general situation goes, we are doing rather well. The Dryad situation is progressing nicely and, given time, they will become a vital component of the Splinter. As far as things being overlooked, we haven't utilized Gestation Tanks to help keep increasing our population or create our new biological weapon, but our shortage of Professionals renders that an understandable oversight. Also, we must continue to be ready to leave if the situation calls, which means no especially large building projects for now. If the scout fleet finds us, whether they make it out alive or not, we can expect to find their main fleet to appear soon. As advanced as we are becoming, we still stand no chance against a fleet possibly thousands of times more massive than ours, and has the support of an entire planet of billions of people over our measly five-digit population.

>>327206
>the main fleet will come hunt us down if the scouts locate our base
OH JESUS
That's not something I had considered! Yeah, we're gonna have to pack up and leave if we can't get Disruptive Shell up before they find our base. And... looking at their position now, it doesn't look like they are taking a circular route around Gretz, so that's not guaranteed to happen. We probably have to leave. In fact, we may need to leave in 5 turns. Damn.

Also finding out that hit and run tactics are impossible because FTL takes time to activate... that is really disappointing. We can't really delay them without sacrificing part of our fleet, and that's just not feasible.

OKAY GUYS! When should we leave? I'm thinking we could safely stick around for 3 more turns before packing up everything. After that time we should have a better idea of the ETA of the Breaker fleet. However I think before that we should send a portion of our population ahead right NOW so that they can start building a base at the Archive. That way we wouldn't have to wait like 10 turns to start research back up again. Just like... 4 because of travel time.

SO. We should send our Lab Freighter with like 1000 Workers and our extra Profs. We'll want to build a small base. No need to bother building stuff we won't be using until the main force arrives again. Oh wait, we need to send more than one Freighter there because we need a bunch of resources to build stuff.

I think 10% is a good enough failure rate for Dryads. There's not much more we can do anyway.

we will have to find something to do with the 10% of the dryad population that can't work. (induct them into the infantry maybe?) unless someone has a pressing reason to stay we should pull out now. as for the galt I have an idea for a parting gift. give them an archive containing all of our tech. explain to them that they will have to keep this secret for at least a year. if the breaker fleet nearby realizes they have it before they can defend themselves it will burn there world. it should give the breakers something else to worry about latter down the line.

so we cant do guerrila tactics because even tho we have faster ships, we align at the same time and the distance advantage of warp slugs will not compensate it.

we dont really have how to win a engagement, considering we would also need to pick any stray scout going back to base to alert the main fleet.

about the dryads that cant work, if we can make them into mages id be quite happy. maybe we can find something related like comunity manager or caretaker.

Can we research fast-activating warp tech? Also, for the purposes of hit-and-run, it'd be cool if we could develop tiny FTL-capable striker craft that could warp in, stay hidden from detection while recharging FTL drives, then unleash a payload of heavy-hitting weaponry (nukes?) before jumping back out. Such a craft would be devastating for enemy morale, as well as effective for hobbling the enemy.

>>327449
So... an interstellar ballistic warp torpedo? Sounds like a plan. Use the warpslug tech for it instead of nukes. Fissionables have reduced power when used in space.

This is basically what we would have done if we had elected Voronova.

>>327299
Inducting them to infantry sounds good. Unless they can't be educated that way either. Then Mages might be an option.

>>327450
Yeah, I had forgotten about warpslug tech while writing that post. I think such a craft would be pretty sweet, and the smaller we could make it, the more we could produce. Hell, it could potentially do a lot of damage! Let's get to work on it right away.

It seems that we need to begin preparing for our next move. Were there suitable planets past the anomaly? It would be best to relocate out of this universe entirely and dodge the fleet.

Checklist for these next few turns:

1. Put all production resources into refitting the Ocissor and constructing interceptors, warp torpedoes and naval warpslug batteries. Recycle the redundant railgun batteries and replace them with the extra plasma batteries. If we can build enough warpslugs, start recycling the plasma batteries too.

2. Pack up a portion of our population and send them to begin constructing a colony and research base by the new anomaly.

3. Continue research on Disruptive shell, even though we will not be able to complete it before we leave.

4. Take the 10% of dryads unfit for labor and train them as light infantry at the soonest opportunity.

Plan to complete the evacuation within 5 turns. If the fleet starts moving towards us, cut that to 3 turns and GTFO. We need to avoid combat until we can gather up every force multiplier within our reach.

>>328931
>1
We've already refitted the Occissor. I think all our SC should go into making Naval Warpslug Batteries, personally. Also, we don't have any Naval Railgun Batteries and I don't think we can recycle anything since the obsolete Breaker weapons haven't been recycled even though it was requested multiple times.

I agree with everything else though.

>>329030
We can recycle the breaker stuff. We don't need them and we could use the SC.

Do we even have any naval railguns at this point? If not ignore what I said. Recycle the plasma guns as we replace them with warpslugs.

Build at least enough warp torpedoes to arm our interceptors for a single engagement. If the SHTF and the fleet catches up with us, we want to dump all the firepower we can on them, then retreat. No stand up battles.

Recycle the Breaker stuff. Keep a couple for testing purposes.

Also, we should keep a couple plasma batteries for knocking out their shields.

>>329237
seconded

Okay I was wrong, we can recycle the breaker weapons. It just wasn't done for whatever reason. Let's blame the paperwork getting lost or something.

So yeah, that'll get done. It should help with production of the warpslug batteries.

Anyone up for making a build order? We should focus on assets that can help in a space battle. Everything else can wait until the new colony.

Yeah, sure. I'll make one.

THREE TURN BUILD ORDER

First off, *recycle the Breaker weapons.* I've been told we'll get 65 SC from it, half next turn and the other half 2 turns from now. This isn't really that much (and it turns out we don't need it to make the last 16 warpslug batteries) but every bit of SC helps at this point.

Second, send those ships with the planned number of dudes and resources on them to the Archive planet. Next build order will involve setting up the colony.

CONSTRUCT:
Farmerx2 x10 (BTW I have an idea of how we can use these guys effectively. They are perfect for blowing up enemy fortifications, or threatening to.)
Light Plasma Cannonx2 x10
Medium Warpslug Cannon x10
Heavy Warpslug Cannon x10
Naval Warpslug Battery x16
Warp Torpedo x9

This uses all our BP, as well as 439 metal and 538 SC. We didn't need to recycle the breaker weapons to do this, but it gives us more left over. I didn't feel it necessary to build any more Produce since we're gonna have to pack it up when we leave anyway.

Ed Pastry 2011/07/29(Fri)20:55 No. 333951 ID: a611d6
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Three turns have passed. The Breaker fleet looks like it will likely be within our radar range in a few turns. The freighters FAT MAN, FREDDIE MACK, FANNIE MAY and DOT COM, containing over a thousand people, plenty of resources and a built in SMALL LAB, are sent to the Thoth star system. They will arrive next turn, and be able to start building a base on the planet containing the Archive (the planet still needs a name). There must be at least one lab on the Anomalous Archive site to begin research.

Be forewarned that the planet, is nearly devoid of resources: the only Derricks that will operate are METAL, and even then they will only operate at 50% capacity.


>>327299
The information packet containing the total of Splinter knowledge is compiled. Star maps, research data, equipment designs, cultural and historical information are all included, but the packet will not de-encrypt until several years pass and hopefully the Breaker threat has ceased in this area of space. Unless someone has any objections, the packet will be sent via Instant Communication when the last ship leaves the current universe.

>>327449
All things related to FTL will be based in the tech tree. The craft you are suggesting would take 90 RP to make; assuming the ship you would like is roughly Dropship-sized craft with stealth capabilities and its only armaments as Anti-Starship Warp Nukes (which in themselves would cost 30 RP). Be warned that this is our first attempt in stealth in space that isn't communications-jammer based, and thus is not entirely risk free.

>>327450
The Dryads unfit for Worker duty will be able to be inducted into the Light Infantry. Their combat effectiveness may suffer slightly though.

>>329030
All Breaker weapons have been recycled for 65 SC. The Naval Railgun batteries are a built in cost when new ships are made; if a ship has no newer technology it will use the default railguns. You can recycle all the replaced railguns for 111 SC over a period of 3 turns though, but you won't be able to switch back to them later.

>>329231
Warp Torpedoes are a permanent attachment, unlike one-use bombs. They are more capable of doing structural damage to lesser enemy starships than normal missiles, though they cant pierce to heavy shielding or armor. All the heavy lifting in space combat will be on Starship Naval Batteries, and possibly Nukes if the previous suggested starship is researched.

Let's research that rapemobile.

seconding researching surprise space buttsex ships.

>>333951
EVAC! EVAC! BREAKERS EN ROUTE WE MUST EVAC NOW!

1 TURN BUILD ORDER
Pack. Up. EVERYTHING. Begin the trip to the Archive planet. We'll set up a research outpost there, and build SC/Metal/Fuel derricks somewhere else. Like in Conrix, at the ice planet. In fact, despite the life-filled (I'm assuming just animal life) nature of it, it sounds like a good place to put a colony. The other option for a colony would be that volcanic, thick-atmosphere place in Hylios. We'd have a bit of a detection bonus there but any land attacks there would also be harder for us to spot.

EVERYONE ELSE VOTE ON WHERE WE SHOULD PUT THE COLONY

research warp nukes and then research the stealth ship. also it looks like we are low on heavy gunships and bombers. we should build some at the next opportunity.

Can we get a rundown on what planets are available in the new universe? If all we have is the the planet with the anomaly on it then we should do some scouting.

>>334116
Chloe has a bunch of useless planets, Hylios has the heavy-atmo planet, and Conrix has an ice planet like I said. The archive system has only the one, almost useless planet in it.

Those are all the systems we've found. There might be more. There probably are more, considering it's supposed to be an entire goddamn universe. We haven't been exploring as much as we could be.

(I wonder if Pastry has the universes fully mapped or if he just generates them on the fly?)

Hmm alright. I don't think we need a build order for these next few turns. Things to do:

1. When the freighters arrive at the anomaly, have the one with the lab stick around in case they need to evacuate. Have the other freighters do a little scouting around.
2. Does the ice planet and heavy atmo planet have any difference in resources? if not plan to set up on the ice planet. We can make a final decision once the colony fleet is actually there.
3. Recycle everything and everything, start with the stuff that contains SC, then move on to the metal.
4. Pack up things onto the freighters and dispatch them once they are full. Once the freighters have no room left, put the rest on the infractus.
5. If the SHTF then we will need our carrier and other large ships for the fighting. Hopefully we have enough warpslugs to fit all of the batteries.
6. Just before we leave this universe for good, leave a satellite on this side of the gate. Passive detection only, just in case we need to return.

Ed Pastry 2011/08/01(Mon)20:47 No. 335226 ID: a611d6
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One turn has passed. With the oncoming Breaker Fleet, the settlement of Baikonur is being evacuated. Deconstructing the SC in the buildings and shipping everyone and everything into the starships take one turn to complete.

The Freighters have arrived at Thoth, you may begin creating a build order for the new base, and make sure to only use the resources available on the freighters (also give it a name). Due to communication errors, it turns out we were supposed to have 110 SC on the freighters as well.

There is more people than there is space in the fleet. Instead of leaving people behind, more people are crammed into the ships, causing increased discontent. A few small protests have occurred on the ships. If we can get them to a planet with sufficient housing space for everyone soon, we can prevent this problem from escalating.

Due to lack of space, the extra METAL that wont fit onto the fleet cargo holds has been dumped.

>>333957
DISRUPTIVE SHELL have been paused, work has begun on the small <unnamed> deep space stealth bomber.

>>334433
1. The other freighters do not find anything else of interest in the Thoth star system.
2. The ice planet has 50% less efficient fuel mining capacity
3. Stripping SC from the structures has taken up one turn, fully recycling the structures will take an additional turn.
4. All ships are completely filled
5. All batteries are already replaced by either Plamsa or Warpslug batteries.
6. A few SC has been used to create a small scanner with InstaCom abilities, so we can tell who passes by the gate.

>>334116
>>334124
Thoth-
<unnamed> - Desert planet, has air, contains The Archive, %50 efficient METAL, no other resources.

Conrix AB-
<unnamed> - Ice planet, has life and air, METAL and SC at %100 efficiency, FUEL at %50

Hylios-
Slag - Volcanic planet, counts as airless, all resources at %100 efficiency, all land bases and armies are harder to detect.

Chloe-
No planets viable for colonization.

Ed Pastry 2011/08/01(Mon)21:13 No. 335232 ID: a611d6
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Also, a map of the Archive building. Base structures can be set up anywhere that isn't taken up by the grey Archive structures.

I like Conrix AB, though we have enough moral boosters that we can afford the happiness penalty for settling on Hylios.

we also seem to be almost out of heavy gunships. we might want to build more.

>>335232

consider setting up an inner camp with military and research-related buildings right next to the archive and walling it up, putting civilian structures to a seperate place.

.. is the building on the top right a missile tube?

>>335226
...whoops. Sorry guys, I didn't check our population capacity properly. We should've sent out more dudes on the freighters.

Well, it's only 5% overcrowding, I think they'll manage for 4 turns. Don't bother stripping anything but SC from the buildings, as we can't even carry any more metal right now. Let's get gone.

4-TURN BUILD ORDER FOR ARCHIVE PLANET

This is uh... a little different from what I originally planned. I had to reevaluate my priorities. Still works fine.

BUILD
2x Large Derrick
1x Small Smelter
1x Large Generator
2x University
2x Large Laboratory
1x Massive Laboratory (this won't complete just yet)
3x Luxury Complex
1x Fortress
1x Command Center
1x Medium Warehouse

do we really need that many labs? don't we have more labs than we can man packed up in the fleet?

>>335455
We can't pack up large or massive buildings. So yeah, we need this many labs.

Ed Pastry 2011/08/04(Thu)21:37 No. 336639 ID: a611d6
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4 turns have passed. The freighter fleet has begun setting up a base at the Archive (The planet and base both need names). At the end of the forth the main fleet has arrived from Baikonur to the Archive. There have been suggestions to build a primary base elsewhere, but first the main fleet had to stop at the Archive base to transfer personnel and equipment. There is no longer an overcrowding problem on the fleet, though it is recommended to not keep people on board the ship for longer than it is necessary.

A small scanner is placed on the Anomaly in the previous universe as we leave, to keep an eye on the Breaker fleet if it passes by. It is noticeably weaker than our ships scanners.

There is insufficient housing space in the settlement for all the in-training citizens to study in the universities.

>>335247
If you want, you can place the constructed buildings on the settlement map yourself and arrange them as you wish. Use the building lists in the wiki page and copy+paste them onto the map.

>>335251
It appears to be the only entrance to the mostly underground Archive. Like the Nexus at Gretz, this Anomaly will remain sealed until we research the appropriate technology.

The above-ground structures are fairly undecorated compared to the other Anomalous facilities we have seen, and contain several shielded windows through which we can see the massive labyrinthine networks of corridors and rooms below.

Ed Pastry 2011/08/04(Thu)21:42 No. 336643 ID: a611d6
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With the construction of the base at the Archive, a new tech has been unlocked:

THE ARCHIVE: Studies the Anomalous Archive structure thoroughly. It will open up the superstructure, allowing us to access whatever information and items are left inside. This tech will give us greater insight into the nature of this extinct race, and possibly reveal the location of other Anomalous structures. This tech also is likely to eventually lead into new, very powerful technologies later on.

I suggest Ardus for the planet name. y'know, 'cause it means arid. which it is. and maybe Hothouse for the base. for the record, I know I suck at names and am only suggesting them because nobody else will.

send the fleet to Slag to colonize it. don't switch research until you complete the current one. when you do complete the current one, resume researching disruptive shell. also NEPTUNE, because 20 RP is like nothing.

>>336657
We should've already researched Neptune. I agree with the rest of what you say though.

We're gonna need to build some more houses at the archive... sigh, I didn't think to check to see how much residential we'd need because of the students, only employed citizens... Should've made 3 Residential District instead of luxury complexes.

I guess the dryad education will be delayed for a bit while we build some more houses. May as well build some more luxury complexes, and a greenhouse so that the place is self-sufficient. And a Stadium because why not.

I'll write up a build order once some more people have posted.

instead of disruptive shells we should research the archive once we finish warp nukes and the stealth ship. we should also place all our labs on the planet with the archive. something tells me its the key defeating the breakers and there god.

>>336698
The labs are already there. I say we should research the shell right now so that we can fight the breaker ships though. We *know* that it will give us an immediate benefit, while we don't really know what researching the Archive will do.

Besides, we're like half done with the shell.

I suppose we could go ahead and put downs some roots here. Hopefully we will be undisturbed for a good length of time. Couple things to do:

1. Get some orbital factories up and running and start making new ships. We ran out of space, if only by accident, which is worrying. So more freighters would be good, we also could use more warships.
2. Get some gestation tanks running to help boost our population. Having more Nautil around would help us expand our fleet as well.
3. Plan more ways to help integrate the Dryads. If we draft some of the workers as light infantry they may be able to help educate the infantry that couldn't be trained as workers. Having Dryad powerarmour may help with the camaraderie a bit.

research order:
1. the archive
2. Integrated tactical implant system.
3. Memory mod

Why this order?
The archive must be done ASAP because we might be forced to evacuate and might forever lose an opportunity.
The integrated tactical implant system eliminates the chance of death by implant, this is imperative for the following
Memory mod, this allows an 8x increase in learning rate. This is huge! Combined with 0% chance of death we could, should, and WOULD have every single person get a memory mod. The result would be unprecedented rate of education with an ever increasing rate of scientific research. And we can already tell that memory mode and computer V will lead to an ever awesomer tech which likely will also massively increase research and education.

>>336759
Agreed in full. We can put off disruptive shell for now. Its a hefty bonus, but it will not win the war for us.

Revised list:
1. Get memory mods up and running. Then finish off disruptive shell and do the Gas weapons and dryad powerarmour. Depending on what the anomaly tech reveals we can revise this plan.
2. Construct some gestation tanks and increase our population of humans and Nautils.
3. Use the influx of professionals to run orbital factories and begin to construct a battle fleet.
4. Continue to integrate the Dryads into civilian and military life.

Couple questions:
1. Do ships need crew? And where do these crew come from? Are they a separate category of soldier?
2. Can we check in with the Gesters? We have almost forgotten about them. See if they need anything and if there is anything we could do to make them better workers and such. The dryads can make useful soldiers but it was mentioned that Gesters are not fit for many roles. I think someone did raise the point that 360 degree vision could be very useful for a tank commander or BRIC operator.

>>321436
>CHIRON GAS and NEPTUNE GAS have been researched. All chemical weapons will have full effect against unprotected Snarren and Breakers.

We don't need to research anything else, unless we want to attack the Galt. Which, yeah, I don't think we do. Speaking of which, they have some of our tech. If the Breakers check up on them and find that out, they might decide to attack them. Which would be kinda bad. If we can get Disruptive Shell up and go kill the breaker scouts, we can avoid that possibility.

Crew are trained like any other soldier. They train fast and cheap. We have a bunch of spare crew right now tho.

I am against attacking their scouts, we should avoid them for now.

Destroying their scouts would be sweet, but it will reveal our technological progress from finding these alien artifacts far too early. What if they know of the other locations and haven't bothered protecting them? But will once they figure out we are reverse engineering that technology? What if they send their entire fleet to look for us when we destroy their scouts? We should aim to keep our advances secret for as long as possible.

A few more things:
1. Assign people to watch the mages amongst our dryads, in secret, we don't want them to know they are being watched. Recall that the dryads seem to be an artificial species, served the same "god" as those that destroyed earth, and claim that their mages receive power via devoutness to said god. Now, that could be a load of crock, but as far as we could tell magic is extra-dimensional technology being executed based on signals from approved being, and there can be variation in the action to trigger a "spell"... aka flagging down a plan with your hands... IF their so called "god" is in charge of that then we might have sleeper agents. Or they might just lose their powers when it notices. However they are not necessarily sleeper agents, it might be that the source of said powers is different altogether.

2. Supposedly gesters have "magic talent", see if they can try to teach the gesters their magic. Carefully monitor it to see if it involves religion of their said "god".

3. It is highly plausible that said extra-dimensional technology is homing in on certain permission keys, try to isolate the chemical, DNA sequence, protein, or whatever it is it uses to identify someone as a mage. This means non-invasive research on the dryads and on the gesters. If we can isolate it then we could replicate it, stealing a valuable resource. And maybe create "anti-magic plague" that diminish its occurance in a population... such a thing would have turned the tide on the dryad homeworld.

4. We have now encountered 6 alien races who all supposedly serve the same "god" who ordered the destruction of earth. They are all anti technology, some have "god approved technology" which they are not allowed to know how it works or to improve upon, and they possess amazing powers, they all got orders to kill us from a supposedly supernatural source. We can conclude that this "god" is a real being, but if he was a real god he would have managed to kill us already. Creating life is no proof of divinity, humanity did that already. So we have an unknown alien scum pretending to be a god and sending his genetically engineered progeny at us. (our examination of the 6 races show all have been created, and that they are culled of genetic mutations that deviate too far from the baseline). Our long term goal should be to kill this would be god.

5. The ancients who built the dimensional travel system seem to have been supremely advanced race that had a civil war won by the anti technology faction who systematically destroyed knowledge, but not all of it. I might be making a leap of logic here but could said "god" be a member of said race from the anti tech faction? Their views seem to at least match. This isn't necessarily the case though, it could be a much later occurrence.

>>336834
>it will reveal our technological progress from finding these alien artifacts far too early.
...what? Disruptive Shell and Warpslug Cannon- the two main military tools we have for our ships- are not based on Nexus tech. Warp is, but... well, who gives a shit, really. You're basically saying we shouldn't kill them because then they'll know we can kill them. They're not sending the main fleet because they don't have any target to use it on. Killing scouts is always a good idea tactically, unless you want them to see something misleading. Either deny the enemy intelligence, or give them faulty intelligence.

>Dryad paranoia
We already investigated them. If you want to do another screening of the populous, sure, but let's do it the NADIR way instead of just outright watching them constantly. People would flip.

>gesters magic potential
This is a good idea! We weren't able to make any progress initially because we didn't know exactly how dryad magic worked, but now we actually have mages to tell us.

>anti-magic plague, general magic research
Sure.

>We have now encountered 6 alien races who all supposedly serve the same "god" who ordered the destruction of earth.
What? No we haven't, we encountered THREE. The Breakers, the Dryads, and the Snarren. Also only the Dryads show evidence of periodic culling.

>Nexus race having something to do with Big Asshole
You're probably right, here.

>>336900
>we encountered THREE. The Breakers, the Dryads, and the Snarren.
The attack on the breaker camp on the gesters world revealed that they are a society made of 4 species performing different tasks.
>>139742
However I misinterpreted "prisoner sketch" as a sketch of the prisoners rather then a sketch BY the breaker prisoners of the members of their society.
So we encountered 3 but know of 6.

>Disruptive Shell and Warpslug Cannon- the two main military tools we have for our ships- are not based on Nexus tech. Warp is, but... well, who gives a shit, really. You're basically saying we shouldn't kill them because then they'll know we can kill them.
Warp is based on nexus research, warpslug and disruptive shell based on warp.
And its not that we shouldn't kill them so much that we should not give them time to develop coutermeasures.
Make an attack fleet, find a juicy target, then get close but don't drop out of FTL yet. engage a scout to measure effectiveness of weaponry and if it is effective use instant communication to let main fleet know to attack (do so within a very short period of time).
I just don't think we should be revealing our cards like that... then again, if we can separate a small group we might be able to capture more of their tech.

>>336900
again, the breakers do not know we posses the means to hurt them, so until we use our new weapons we will have the element of surprise. once we use them the breakers will compensate, likely by simply increasing the size of scout forces they send out. so we should avoid fighting the breakers until we have the means to actually hurt them. destroying a scout fleet would do nothing but give them a demonstration of our new weapons and a clue to our location.

>>336941
Oops, you're right, warpslug is based on warp.

Yes, technically there are two other subspecies aiding the Breakers. I don't consider them to be truly separate species however. I would like to note also that the Breakers cannot develop new technology. They are forbidden to. So if we are stronger than them we will STAY stronger than them. The only thing they can do is throw more ships at us, and since we can move faster than them we can decide which forces to engage. We can pick our fights, and win them.

>>336943
We left the universe that the scout fleet is in, so destroying it there doesn't really give them any valid information. Also I'd like to note that we can assault Gretz again with the ability to stand up to Breaker ships, and end the threat permanently by shutting down the portals and subjugating the enemy Dryad mages.

With Disruptive Shell, we can go back to war. I'm not saying we need to assault Gretz immediately, but we need this tech at least to defend the Galt homeworld. Speaking of which, I wonder if we can broker an alliance with them and use their manpower to make ships and research new tech for us. They have a lot more people, so they could aid us greatly.

The only problem is, when we show we can defeat the breakers, or otherwise invalidate their use, (Like the big portals) other races are then sent after us, possibly a coalition. Completely crushing each in turn with overwhelming, not just sufficient, force is the safest way.

>>336968
We kindof need shields if we're going to fight them at all in space combat. Going for a promised 'powerful' tech without knowing if it will even help our ships... is that wise?

>>336963
are you insane!? we can not stand up to a breaker fleet. with disruptive shells we might be able to take a scout force, but in the end we are a small refugee fleet and they are an interstellar empire. if we are going to defeat the breakers though direct military force we are going to need either allies or a truly staggering technological advantage.

>>336987
...what? They can't get through the portals if we close them, dude. And there is no main fleet at Gretz. Maybe we could close the portals before we attack the scouts, if that makes you feel better about it.

>>336991
i'm pretty sure there is, also we don't know enough about how the breakers get from universe to universe to be sure we sealed all the portals.

>>337030
No, there is no main fleet around Gretz. We could tell that they had a scout fleet. The main fleet would be HUGE. And the portals are summoned by mages and are extremely obvious, so yes we would know when they were all sealed.

>>337055
we know they can be summoned by mages, we don't know for sure that's the only way. in fact if that was the only way the breaker would probably have never been able to hit earth. also i'm fairly sure that the breaker fleet did not arrive via mage portal. hell if that's the only way they can get around we are safe in the universe we are in now.

>>337083
...if they could get here by another, easier method, they would have at the beginning of the conflict. There must be some reason they can't get here the same way they got to Earth. Maybe it takes a long time to create a gate without someone assisting it from the other side.

>>337115
no HERE, THERE. It is a dimension different then the one in which earth was located, and different from the dimension we are in right now. They might have means to enter this dimension but not that one. Also it could have been a matter of speed, maybe they have sent a larger fleet in a more conventional means but the gates were simply faster and were the first to react to our presence.

>>337123
Yes yes I know this is a different universe tha earth. Assuming that that means they can get here easier is just paranoia. So is thinking that they would send the main fleet even if the scouts didn't find anything.

We have a halfway-researched tech that would increase our ships' military ability immediately and by a noticable amount. Abandoning it for something long term without even planning to attack in the short term is foolishness.

What if we have to fight ships in this universe we just colonized in? What then? Will you bet on gaining that long-shot tech before that happens, on the off chance it is more powerful than Disruptive Shell and also works with our ships? What are you even planning right now? Do you want to keep hiding until we've filled out the whole tech tree? When are we going to fight back? If it is anywhere in the near future then we need Disruptive Shell.

Hell, even if they DO send the main fleet to the dimension we just came from, we can just leave. Killing the scout fleet kills their scouts, it doesn't mean we have revealed our position at all or opened ourselves up for a counterattack. All we would reveal is that we can get to that universe and we have ships strong enough to defeat theirs even without a numbers advantage.

Also I'd like to point out that if we do lure their main fleet to a universe, it won't be at their homeworld. This universe we're in now could be where that homeworld is, you know...

you guys, I love the idea of memory mods too, but education brings nothing to a community doomed to be wiped out. we should first be very very sure we can cover our asses in case of an immediate combat situation, then focus on being all productive and shit.

>>337139
>Abandoning it for something long term without even planning to attack in the short term is foolishness.
Whoops, this should be "Abandoning it for something long term without even having the means to attack in the short term is foolishness."

>>337139
Yes, hide until we fill out the tech tree. We could kill the entire breaker fleet and it would not represent a major blow to them. They are an interstellar empire, we are a small fleet. even if we could destroy their ships at a 10 to 1 ratio we would still lose a straight up fight in the end. Fighting before we have an overwhelming advantage is fool hardy and will get us all killed.

As for killing there scouts, they will assume we are near the scout fleet that did not come back, and if they are smart and have their scouts send regular reports they will know about where there scout forces were ambushed. This of course assuming we manage to perfectly jam the scout fleet. We don’t know that much about breaker communications and the point of scouts is to be able to call in enemy contact; I give better than even odds of the scout fleet getting off a transmission before being destroyed. Not to mention if we kill one scout fleet the next one will probably be larger.

As for why we should research the archive, as far as we can tell the archive is a store of knowledge left behind by an extremely advanced race, quite possibly the race that made the gates we use to get form universe to universe. That kind of tech represents the kind of edge that would let a handful of ships topple an interstellar empire. We also don’t know how long it will take the breakers to find us again. If they chase us off before we research the archive we will lose the chance to study it permanently. There is no way they will leave it intact if they find it.

>>337154
>interstellar empire
We don't actually know how many planets they're on. Meta knowledge implies that they are rather restricted in how many planets they have. Also, don't forget we can engineer a Breaker Plague if we get 100 Breaker prisoners. That is a weapon that we'd use against their colonies and just leave afterwards. We can, in fact, fuck the Breakers' shit up.

I don't really get why you think killing their entire fleet would not present a major blow to them. I mean, that's all their ships. They can't just walk that off; they will have no ships afterwards, and we know full well how hard it is to make new ones. As for their scout fleet, you just said that killing them would cause the breakers to deploy more ships in that area. How is that a bad thing for us, exactly, since we can choose where and when to attack the scouts?

Also researching the entire tech tree before making any military action is pants on head retarded. We can't hide forever. Remember how a Breaker ship just randomly landed on the Gester planet? I can easily see that happening again. Plus, just researching the archive might attract attention.

I say take the opportunity to research the Archive while we have it. We can research the Disruptive Shields anywhere. We can't research the Archive anywhere.

And remember: it's only because we went to rather extensive trouble (even fighting for it) to research the other Anomalies that we even was able to get our current advanced propulsion and warpslugs. At this point, I wouldn't even say that it's a vague promise of a technological leap. It's a virtual certainty.

Also, we've been severely hampered in our research by a major bottleneck of professionals. We've had to close labs just to maintain important infrastructure that required professionals. Fixing that will allow us to advance our research by leaps and bounds, and greatly speed research on crucial military technology.

In short, I agree on the Archive->integrated tactical implant->memory mod->disruptive shield research order. I'm pretty sure we have some breathing room for that, but I really don't think we should push the shield research back any further than that. After that research order, we can look at Computing Systems research and whatever the Archive research opens up.

And we already set a base down on the Archive planet. If researching the Archive would put us at risk of attracting attention, maybe you should suggest abandoning the Archive planet. But, seriously, that will get us nowhere.

As for attacking the Breaker scouts, what would we gain from it? If I saw a more concrete gain proposed than destroying a few ships out of a vast imperial fleet, I'd be more willing to consider it. We've already abandoned that universe, so it's not like there's much to find (though I do think we should've destroyed our former base thoroughly). The biggest worry is that they might attack our Galt friends. But honestly? We can't do anything about that. Yet. We might have the weapons and soon the shields, but we don't have the sheer numbers necessary to deal with any fleet they would likely bring to an assault upon the Galt. Yet. That will change. Hopefully not before the Galt need our help.

Further addition: we need to start cloning and building ships before we can even hope to put up a significant fight. However, the professional bottleneck is the single greatest hindrance to that. Actually, I'd go as far as to say that zero-casualty memory mods is a crucial military need. We need manpower fast, and we need professionals for that. Not only that, we need trained manpower. Fast. We need those memory mods for that.

>>337167
the fleet they sent after us is not there entire armada. we have every reason to believe they have more than one world.

>>337206
seconding that research order with the addition of the stealth ship and its armament being researched after the archive. even after we research memory mod it will take time to manufacture a meaningful number of implants. we can start implant production while we design our raiding ship.

>>337206
>>337214
Perfectly reasoned and exactly what I had in mind. I wont go point by point because EVERY single point is correct and exactly my reasoning. It isn't rocket science.
Archive->integrated tactical implant->memory mod->disruptive shield research order was what I had in mind. The memory mods are of crucial military importance, they are crucial to powering all our labs (since we had to shut labs down due to lack of trained personnel).

Finally, another advantage that he didn't mention is that after researching the archive we may abandon its planet. A planet whose only resource is metal at half rate, is a drain on our economy.

>>337206
Finishing research on Disruptive Shell would take like 4 more turns. If you're worried about having to leave the Archive planet that early then I'd like to point out that it would actually take longer to research the Archive. If there's any risk of us getting chased off before the Archive research is finished (IE from some fleet showing up- I doubt that ground forces could take us on at this point since we have so much orbital bombardment capability), researching Disruptive Shell would probably prevent that from happening at all. I agree that those other techs are goddamned vital and we should get the Archive research done soon too, but 4 turns for this kind of protection is too good a deal to pass up.

I'd like to note that the Archive, Memory Mods, and the Tactical Implant cost 650 RP in total. That'll take 15 turns with our current lab output, though in 10 turns we'll have more profs. So... probably more like 14, since then we could just use 2 Massive labs. So, we'd be without shields for over a year. Is that worth waiting 4 turns to make what would be a long term investment?

In regards to the Galt, we can in fact protect them if we prevent them from being discovered. Killing the scout fleet would buy some time, at least. As for tangible benefit... well, it would give us some critical combat data. We know that the Warpslug Cannon works well against shields but we don't have any real tactical data. Also, we could grab some ship debris and research it like we did with the Breaker Walker. OH! Also, Disruptive Shell would probably work for the Breaker Walker, allowing it to be a viable vehicle.

>>337320
ok i think i see the disconnect. you seem to think researching disruptive shield would allow us to fight the breakers. It would not, even there scout fleets outnumber us. disruptive shells would give us a chance against a scout force but that is about all it would do. simply put we have so few ships that risking them when we have an alternative is foolish. when we go after the breakers we will do so with overwhelming force, disruptive shells will be a step twords getting that overwhelming force but unless it makes us immune to breaker ship weapons it will not make attacking the breakers viable.

also could you give yourself a name? have a debate with someone who doesn't have one is kinda weird.

>>337325
...have you been reading prior updates?

>VICE ADMIRAL DWIGHT: Sir, we have grave news. We have detected a Breaker fleet finally appearing somewhere near Gretz. Since it is out of range of our scanners, we can't identify their exact fleet position or composition, though we know they are not far from Gretz and have a combined MASS roughly equal to that of three of our Destroyer-Class starships. A side note to this is Occissor reporting the scanning the Archive star system and planet (both of which still need official names). The planet the Archive is located on is mostly arid, with a belt of dense swamps and jungles near the equator. The planet has an atmosphere acceptable enough that we can build without a construction time or morale penalty, though is nearly devoid of resources. The only derricks it can support are Metal, and even those will operate at %50 capacity. The Archive itself is a large cluster of structures, currently inactive according to our scans.
>WING COMMANDER VORONOVA: The enemy fleet is moving in a search pattern. They will eventually find us. We can outrun them easily, since we are at least three times as fast as their ships. Our ship armor has not changed since the Demise, so even if we outnumber them we can expect to take heavy damage. Our plasma weapons have similar range to their guns, but warpslug guns have much greater range. Our guns can break through their shields and most likely their will be able to defeat their armor. Exactly how much punishment they can take we don't know exactly, so I advise to get as much warpslug as possible and take them out before they can get into range. We cannot "kite" them with the warpslug guns because when we not in FTL travel we are the same speed as they are, and they could always try surrounding us.

We have enough Warpslug batteries for all our ships, and we at least match them as far as mass is concerned- We have 1 destroyer and a Cruiser has just as many guns. There are Frigates and Corvettes to make up the difference. We can kill them. There is no question of that. We could even kill them WITHOUT the disruptive shell tech, we would just probably take losses. Losing any of our fleet would be a giant setback, so I wanted Disruptive Shell first so that we would be able to kill them without losing any of our ships.

>>337325
indeed, if we find a LONE breaker ship, it would be something worth attacking. just swarm it and disable and then reverse engineer the FUCK out of it. cause once we know exactly how a ship is put together we can make a weapon that counters it perfectly.

if we attack a scout force and destroy it and lose even a single ship, that's a loss for us. we simply cannot afford to risk the fleet. we can with time and resources replace a frigate or corvette, but i really doubt we can replace any of our larger ships. fighting in space should be our last resort. we would also accomplish nothing, nothing says hostiles over here like a scout force disappearing. not to mention the first time we take out a scout force they will start making the scout forces larger.

also, 1854db could you start using a name? unless someone pays close attention to the ID section it might look like your are more than one person.

>>337342
I agree that we shouldn't lose any ships, that's why I want to get Disruptive Shell. Voronova seemed to be suggesting that we could avoid heavy losses by using Warpslug against them and taking advantage of our range. Adding Disruptive Shell on top of that would mean we take like, no losses, assuming that a 500-RP tech is strong enough. AND OF COURSE IT IS.

>use a name
Nope.

>>337391
it could reduce losses but i doubt it is perfect. would still lose ships.

this argument is going nowhere. lets just put weather we should finish disruptive shell or not to a vote.

>>337392
Okay, look. With just plasma, and us outnumbering the Breakers, Voronova said he expected heavy losses. With Warpslug, that downgrades expected losses because we have a huge range advantage. With Disruptive Shell it would downgrade it even further, and it will be at least as powerful an upgrade as Warpslug, since it's more expensive to research. I would forsee us walking out of that fight without any losses at all.

The votes right now are 2 shell to 4 other stuff. We don't need to take another vote. Since I can't convince any of you 4 that disruptive shell is more important to research than Memory Mods/Tactical Implant even when it's over halfway done already then I guess we're just gonna go with that.

I personally would like to finish the shell research because we are almost done with it.