Suggestion 2020/07/14(Tue)19:25 No. 972262 ID: 7dd242
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“Genie! Rafela, she who stands and speaks before you, wishes this: Give your mistress all the magical power and knowledge she can handle without what she would call great harm done to herself!”

Suggestion 2020/07/14(Tue)19:25 No. 972263 ID: 7dd242
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… Now I want to twist her wish just to get her for trying to be smart with me.

>Well, you're her slave. [supposed to try kill their master]

Such a very good thought. So far, unfortunately, it’s only enough that I could ask if she would like me to. But we can take note of it as… context, for later commands. I hate when people try that oh-so-clever overcomplicated if-but what-I’d-define-as wordrot.

Oh, well. I suppose I already planned my allocation of fun, today.

Suggestion 2020/07/14(Tue)19:26 No. 972264 ID: 7dd242
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“As you command, so shall it be.”

I often use the first Wish to give my owners a hint that they can show some respect, but she hasn’t done much yet, and actually granting it as she likes could work well enough for my goals. Any clever ideas?

...Well, you she can cause great harm to others in the process. Give her powers of elemental destruction on a hair trigger, while being immune to such blasts of energy herself?

They get real ultimate power but first they have to do a transformation sequence into a pretty magical girl uniform to use them.

Yeah, she could cause great harm to herself with a kitchen knife. If she insists on being on the safe side, sure you could give her some trivia and parlor tricks. Compliment her modesty.

>>972256
>I did nothing.
Okay, so what did you *not* do? Was there some task you were assigned, that by failing or refusing to attempt earned you the ire of the gods? It's not like they did it for no reason. Is the reason something you'd rather we not know? I'm sure there's no way we could manipulate your master into wanting to find out, so you could just refuse to tell us, and there's nothing we could do about it.

>>972264
She said magical power and knowledge. Not magical power and magical knowledge. That means you can give her all kinds of knowledge. Perhaps knowledge that would make her angry at the gods... or if that's too overt, knowledge that would make her angry at god-worshipers. You could also give her knowledge that would advance civilization, enough that someday soon the gods would no longer be needed. Deep understanding of science might work in both cases!

Effectively none. She's clearly unable to handle power wisely if she addresses a genie as she has, and giving her any degree of power would lead to great harm. Thus- give her the ability to do something trivial but interesting-sounding exactly once, don't tell her it's one use only, and have her expend that use in "testing" her new ability. Perhaps give her the ability to swap her consciousness with another body once, so she'll unknowingly waste it on her slave.

>>972264
Give her just a tiny bust of magic power?You can claim tjat anymore could put her life in jeopardy. Or just give her what she wants if you think is of use to you.

Make her hyper-intelligent and sear the ancestral knowledge of her people into her brain, especially the embarrassing/dishonorable/disgusting parts, until she can no longer stomach her own pride.

And then enhance knockers with magic reserves until she can barely stand; she'll be able to increase her max MP with practice - but that will also increase her maximum cup size.

Also, does magic increase neural sensitivity?

This gnoll would turn a little corner of the world upside down if given the opportunity. Giving her great destructive might would certainly attract attention, making you unlikely to disappear into obscurity once her wishes are done. In addition, the added attention she would garner might compel her to use more wishes, although I suspect she already has plans for at least one more. I say do it.

Suggestion 2020/07/14(Tue)22:50 No. 972305 ID: 7dd242
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… I don’t feel that you’re appreciating my difficulties.

>alter their perception of self harm
>Give her just a tiny burst of magic power? You can claim that […]

Remember the rules? No interfering with free will means no direct mind alteration unless it’s asked for - mind altering has to be indirect or nonmagical. There’s no way to interpret her as asking me to alter her perception unless it can somehow be twisted into being part of ‘giving her knowledge’. I can’t directly lie to her, either, only twist words, mislead or omit.

>she could cause great harm to herself with a kitchen knife
>Effectively none. […] giving her any degree of power would lead to great harm.

Pay attention to her phrasing. What she would consider great harm. Similarly, she specified all she can handle. I can interpret my owner’s wishes, I can’t ignore them, or parts of them, when delivered as one sentence. All of it has to be fulfilled in some way. That’s why wishes like these are annoying.

>She said magical power and knowledge. Not magical power and magical knowledge.
>...Well, she can cause great harm to others in the process. Give her powers of elemental destruction on a hair trigger, while being immune to such blasts of energy herself?
>Make her hyper-intelligent and sear the ancestral knowledge of her people into her brain, especially the embarrassing/dishonorable/disgusting parts, until she can no longer stomach her own pride.

Now, these work. Think along these lines. Interpret, twist. And, of course, there’s always the old standby of giving them what they think they want in a way that will backfire naturally, later. The price of getting what you want is getting what you once wanted, as they say.

>And then enhance knockers with magic reserves until she can barely stand; she'll be able to increase her max MP with practice - but that will also increase her maximum cup size.

... That is also one potential way to interpret ‘all I can handle’.

>This gnoll would turn a little corner of the world upside down if given the opportunity. […] I say do it.
>They get real ultimate power but first they have to do a transformation sequence into a pretty magical girl uniform to use them.

… Well.

One of the few permissions my bindings give me is that, if not told otherwise, I can put on a little show while I work, and add some extra flaire. The intent is to draw attention to my humiliation, and give me a sliver of a pat on the head if I want to be a good little girl and provide a little extra for my owners… but I won’t turn down wiggle room, or a chance to be a little creative. Long story short: I can put on a show. Make things presentable. It can be nothing but cosmetic, but it can help guide how my owners feel about themselves.

So, while I don’t think I can add in a ‘transformation sequence’ with the phrasing of this wish, I can play dress-up to an extent. Here’s what I’m working with, plus some considerations. If we do go with a wish that fits it, and you want to give her something to match what she’s given, then feel free to give me some fashion suggestions.

AUTHOR: Just in case of confusion, here's an extra condensed version of the rules: The genie has to look and act like a servant/slave. The genie can't do anything without being asked/told to. The genie has to "fulfil" the entire wish. No creating life from nothing, no killing. No time travel. No mind control. No other worlds (some heavens/hells/elemental planes are technically part of this world). No messing with the rules or wishing for more wishes or more genies.

There are some little loopholes and exceptions; either you can find them by reading the fuller version, they'll be explained when they're relevant, or they won't be relevant.

>>972258
Alright lemme look for loopholes here.
>“I am bound to serve you, as mistress of the Ring, until either it is passed from your possession, or you have spent the three chances you are given to ask me for a work of Power beyond the limitations which normal mortals have been granted, by the Word of the Book of the gods of the Thrones.”
I don't see anything here except "beyond the limitations which normal mortals have been granted" doesn't specify a timespan, so technically some requests could be made that are *like* wishes but aren't technically wishes since they could be accomplished by mortals in a mortal timeframe. Also, I wonder, can a dead person "possess" the ring? I suppose it doesn't matter, since a dead person cannot make requests and has no obvious desires so the genie couldn't act in that case.

>“In these, your Three Great Wishes, and in all else, I am bound further by these following conditions, presented in their simple form: That I must abide by the terms of my sentence, and that I may not trespass upon the domains in which only the gods have rights to work. By the terms of my sentence I must only serve. Ever I must wear signs of my bondage for all to see, to know I am a slave or lowly servant, and act as such, never in authority or privilege over any being less wretched in the eyes of the divine than I. I cannot intentionally speak falsehood to you, unless you ask me to. I cannot harm you, unless you ask me to. I cannot do anything but speak to you, as a servant should, except by your command or clear desire.”
What beings are *more* or *equally* wretched? The genie could act in authority or privilege over those.
"never speak falsehood" does not prevent misleading yet true statements, obviously.
"unless you ask me to" has a lot of wiggle room, obviously, as we can twist requests and wishes to cause harm or lie.
"clear desire" is open to interpretation as well, isn't it? That's the part that would have let the genie protect Rafela without a request.

>“The domains of the gods, which I am forbidden to touch, are these: Firstly, life and death. I may not by magic conjure life from nothing, though I may manipulate false life, or alter pre-existing life. I may not kill by magic, though I may place a life in danger, if it is not certain death. Second, the path of fate. I may not reveal destinies concealed by the gods, nor alter that which has been written before now. I cannot change the past, or bring things from the future. Third, the Veil shall not be breached. I cannot travel, send nor bring beyond the furthest reach and vision of the gods and the realms where they claim reign. Fourth, free will is a sacred gift from the gods to their creations. I cannot directly control the choices that a mortal mind may make. At most I may bring influences, pressures and temptations onto them, but final decisions must be theirs.”
Manipulating "false life" can be indistinguishable from the real thing, and you can alter pre-existing life to create whatever you want, probably, so creating life from nothing is really only a restriction if you care about the details and/or have no raw materials.
Similarly, the genie can't kill by magic, sure, but she could for instance remove someone's limbs without killing them and that's still fine. Or trap them somewhere they can't escape, but with enough supplies to live out the rest of their life. There are many fates that achieve the same thing as killing a person.
The Veil could still potentially be breached by granting someone enough power to do it on their own, maybe?
Can't directly control someone, but with enough temptations and pressures you may as well be directly controlling them, with very few exceptions (like someone who's sworn an oath not to kill will be very difficult to convince to kill someone) Alternatively you could conjure illusions convincing enough to lead someone into doing X or Y without them realizing what they're doing.

>“Finally, my bindings, and the Ring, are Protected by the will of the gods and the terms by which they were forged. I cannot change the rules of my service. I cannot by magic make another Ring or others of my kind. I cannot alter nor directly move the Ring, though I may move you while you carry it, if you command. If you wish to use one of your Three Wishes, you must hold the ring, address me clearly, and declare it as a Wish. If ever another person takes the Ring, they become my master, and any ongoing commands which you have given will no longer have authority until you regain the Ring. Once you have used your third and final Wish, I shall depart you, your commands again will no longer have authority from thereon, and you may never command me again, save that another master tells me to obey you.”
Cannot by magic make another ring... is there a means aside from magic?
Cannot directly move the ring... could probably do some minor magic like move the surface it's on, but that requires some manner of related desire or command.
Hmm, it's unclear if someone could make another three wishes if a second master commanded the genie to obey them, then handed the ring over. They can definitely make other kinds of commands. Heh, I wonder what happens if two people who are allowed to give the genie commands give her conflicting commands?

Oh hang on, if a dead person can "possess" the ring, then they could leave behind a will with instructions for the genie, or existing long-standing commands could still be carried out.

Suggestion 2020/07/15(Wed)00:57 No. 972318 ID: e19a40
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I don't have a good idea for the costume, but if her power will be locked behind a magical girl transformation she better transform into a girl.

>Slave supposed to kill their master.
>Such a good thought.
Here’s a better one. You’re also the gods’ slave, a fact they’ve hammered in place. As long as Rafela is your master you’ve got a slavish DUTY to conspire against both, as per her apparent views on slave-master relationships.

Unless they covered that clause in the legalese, is that helpful or significant in any way?

>"Give your mistress all the magical power and knowledge she can handle without what she would call great harm done to herself!"

I've got it.

The crucial part here is 'without what she would call great harm done to herself'. How does one even remotely safely accomplish loading someone down with POW and KNOW and then NOT having them get wrecked by their own hubris? You could let her fall on that sword, but... there's definitely a different tack to take here.

What she's inadvertently asked for is for you to become her teacher to help her achieve her full magical/knowledge potential without undue harm. A very powerful, knowledgeable teacher, who can perform magical feats at 'all that a person can handle' levels while also handle THE PROTECTIVE DUTIES of teaching magic at such a level without any harm coming to the apprentice from, at least, the teaching process and the apprentice's own magics (miscast spells, careless use, consequences of demon summonings gone awry, blowing themselves - and the town - up, etc). You could twist that into getting her to cast spells that go out of control and then you mop up the mess... as object lessons, even. Using magic to set 'examples' can also be twisted to attack the gods or their loyal followers through various means.

And as her teacher, Rafela's potential becomes a moving goalpost that you can shift. While 'all she can handle' NOW is probably at a set level, as a teacher you can shift her power potential further - I've no doubt there are ways - and thus increase your own power potential as Rafela's teacher-figure.

And best of all, you can even separate out the 'magical power' and 'knowledge' bits, as commented, so that even if Rafela's achieved her full magical power potential, the knowledge requirement remains unfulfilled (and probably won't ever be filled, until the day she dies or grows feeble-minded - though it leaves her a way 'out' in that she can say she's had enough of your lessons).

Also, as an ongoing effect, even if Rafela loses the Ring, you still have to serve Rafela as a teacher for as long as she still has unfulfilled POW and KNOW potential, thus still - technically - counting as Rafela's slave for the duration, thus still having the duty to kill one's masters (although in Rafela's case she's inadvertently protected herself from great harm coming to her, at least through your teacher role).

I think this is a deceptively strong and useful role if you can be bothered to go for it, but it does mean you'll get stuck with Rafela for the duration. Then again, the teaching style can probably be applied harshly enough that you can make her accidentally say she's had enough of your lessons, thus negating the wish ('all she can handle').

Workable?

What is needed is something enticing but incomplete. You must not amplify Rafela's magic in such a way she solves problems with her own strength instead of using more wishes.

If you were to improve her summoning, greater creatures would require greater payment. That's rife with opportunities for her to get in over her head.

>>972336
In addition to teaching method, another useful card to hold over Rafela is the magical power / knowledge divide. You will - of course - work towards increasing her magical potential safely, but you get to set the curriculum otherwise and if she doesn't want to play ball with you on certain things you can always start deviating the lessons away from methods on how to apply that power.

After all, you teaching her actual magic is just you being respectful of her desires, but there are many useful topics that one should learn about in this wide world.

Such as basket-weaving. It's a very critical skill, in some societies.

It does not seem like we are mind readers, so how much is too much for her to handle? We have to make a good (enough) faith guess, but we could be forgiven for granting on the conservative side of things, to ensure that her conditions are fulfilled.

We also have no real need to harm her right away. In fact, if we do, we'll likely make her more skittish about future wishes. She'll try harder, and that's bad from someone already cautious. Give her a "win" and grant her some good (but not too good, "for her own safety") skills and abilities, but it could be reasonable to slant that knowledge in such a way to guide her into more revolutionary action? We need upheaval, and for her to get in over her head.

She asked you to educate her. That's basically permission to propagandize. Teach her to dream big, and dream according to your desires. Make a nice spanner to throw into the works.

(Deleted my prior (somehow double posted) suggestion from before I read the rules)
It was specified as all the "magical power and knowledge" she could handle, but not the balance of them, presumably they both share some space such that enough of one precludes having as much of the other. Also knowledge of what was not specified, leaving it open for you to decide, she could become the most knowledgeable individual of vegan life styles, aqueducts (construction, maintenance, design), street begging, and any number of other equally pointless (to her) topics. Unsure how general magic is, but it may also be possible to, say, give incredible fire manipulation magic (possibly not even including fire creation) and little else.
Those demon voices are 'part' of her yes? Could you give all that magical power to the demon voices instead? Hell give them the knowledge too.

The next 'fun' part "without what she would call great harm done to herself" This request would necessitate knowing the bounds of what she would call "great harm". Even if more specific information regarding "great harm" is not available, it requires that anything less than "great harm" is entirely valid. Providing a comically over-sized head to accommodate all that extra knowledge should not be "harm", but inconvenience. There is also a possible fun distinction to make between what she would call great harm and what, when applied to her, realize is great harm, not sure if the rules will let you exploit that distinction though. Thing is all changes have to be consequential of granting the magic and knowledge, which fairly limits our scope of things that would be 'harm' but not 'great' as the line between debilitating (great) and not is ill defined and hard to determine without mind reading.

I'm thinking give her some glowing tribal tattoos or something that are thickest around your ring and kind of spreed out from there. Maybe also give her ring hand a deadlier set of claws with the finger wearing the ring given a slightly larger claw.

Why do any of that, well I figure it might not be a bad idea to draw a little attention to your ring to get people to notice it more so you're less likely to spend hundreds of years under a rock waiting for someone else to find you by getting people to notice you and have rumors spreed about your power. Got to get some proper legends set up about you to get people to desire to seek you out.

And speaking of legends, I think you should give this gnoll knowledge. Knowledge of her snake masters' history that she could use to hurt them, like their hidden origins, their anatomy to help her better know where to stab them to make sure they stay down, and maybe some miscellaneous knowledge as well like different forms of combat from hand to hand to various weapons, how to lead an army, the basics to ruining a kingdom, battle tactics, and throw in a image of her leading an army conquering all before her with a banner proudly showing your ring but muddle it so it is like a dream where they can remember the saw something but never exactly what it was. You may not be able to mess with their minds exactly but being able to plant the idea in their subconscious is still within your realm of possibilities right? Because I'm thinking that if you can make her into a proper warlord of great power, well worse case, she builds up some legends which hopefully will mention your ring and this will bring out others seeking your power who you can try and use to escape, or best case, you find some way to convince her lead a crusade against the gods that shackled you.

That last part is a long shot I know but if you can rise awareness of yourself, even through proxy, it will start drawing in other to you and if their desire to obtain you grows high enough that's bound to cause some chaos across the land.

>insurance against crossbreeding
Oh, and say again what what?

>To Rafela
Fine words, but few wishes are perfect. Let's hope this one works out for Rafela!

Though be aware the Slave of the Ring is quite bored. Perhaps Rafela does not care, but rest assured it might be wise to act the harbinger of interesting times.

>To Saszaffi
Well, Rafela's keeping on calling you pretty and not hurting you so... guess whatever her plans are after this, they involve you too. Maybe her idea is to use you for spare or emergency wishes while she takes care of your problems and needs? Like... partners, just with her in a dominant position.

... maybe you're okay with that?

But in that case you should make it clear what your current wishes and goals are.

Doomsby 2020/07/15(Wed)11:06 No. 972376 ID: e7c7d3
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how about something like this?

>knowledge that she can handle
If you wanted to get rid of her, then through this wish you could rewire all of her thoughts in a way that by thinking of anything at all, the memories of the absolute worst parts of her life would surface in the most vivid possible detail and drown out everything else. This would cause her to quickly lose all of her rationality.

Another possibility is that you could give her so much knowledge that she would be unable to make decisions anymore. For instance, if she wanted to hold a spoon, in her mind there would be infinite ways of holding infinite different spoons, all equally viable. So ultimately Rafela would be unable to react to the outside world anymore.

Anyway, the only knowledge which you're sure that she can handle is the knowledge that she already knows. So by informing her of everything that she already knows, you would be fulfilling this part of the wish.
Well, I suppose you could be a bit generous than that. I would suggest granting her knowledge of the current whereabouts of every person on this planet. The reasoning being that:
-she can only handle knowledge that is currently inside the minds of other beings (knowledge that is proven to be suitable for her consumption)
-she cannot handle the knowledge of higher or lower beings
-you can't grant the knowledge from the future, and she cannot handle past memories of other beings, as those would be harmful
Therefore, the knowledge that she would obtain would the current sight, and the current location of every intelligent being on this planet. This would work in your favor because a lot of these sights would be from the worshippers and you can be selective in such a way that would instill dislike of these followers.

>magical power that she can handle
It would be beneficial to you if she held at least some power with which she could do unto the followers of the gods. If we assume there's a limit of the magical power she can wield, you could grant her the magical power to this limit. Of course, the type of the magical power that you grant is of your choosing. For instance, the power to charm people - she could use such magic to charm the worshippers to follow her instead. Or even better, increase her power to summon spirits. But the only spirits that she can summon also happen to be loyal to you... hmm, but this isn't beneficial enough to you.

Oh, I know. Give her the "magical power to empower others". A buffer, essentially. This works great because it requires her to rely on others to do her bidding. But if she's weak herself, then she would require these other people to be loyal to her. And it just so happens that you're officially her "loyal servant". So yeah, give her the power to empower you!

To Rafela:
The servant said that she would serve you as any normal mortal might. You should test if this is true, perhaps by asking her to do something lowly, such as asking her to sexually please the sweet boy.

"Great Harm"
This means you can cause significant harm, so long as you don't permanently maim her.
Grant her wish.
Let her head pound and her nose bleed.
Let the influx of knowledge cause torturous confusion and delerium for days. Let her see the rot of the world, knowledge to cause her endless cynicism and paranoia, such that she will rarely ever feel comfort or joy. Show her the vastness of creation, so that she may know how horribly insignificant she is and always will be. Then show her the inside of a black hole, so she can watch as all of creation sails inexorably away from her, becoming itself insignificant in the face of oblivion. Show her the true hearts of men. Petty. foolish. Self destructive. Show her the true thoughts of her friends and family. Show her herself. The memories she has hidden away in her mind. The people she's hurt. The truths she refused to see.
Break her down to her core. Bring her low.
Knowledge is power.
But those with power bear the weight of responsibility.
Her ego blinds her to this, however. She must know humility.

>>972384
>you could rewire all of her thoughts
No. She can't manipulate minds directly.

>>972264

I, for one, am a fan of literal interpretations. They force the speaker to be more ... insightful, as to the ambiguities of language.

>"Give your mistress all the magical power and knowledge she can handle without what she would call great harm done to herself!"

Ergo, it would be perfectly within the context of our bindings (and the wish itself) to present our new mistress with all the trappings of magical power and knowledge as she can handle without harm to herself -- that is, all the books, scrolls, crumbling old tomes, reagents, alembics, ritual knives, and all those other appurtenances as one would need to study the magics.

That is, after all, what she asked for, is it not?

All the power and knowledge she can handle, available at whatever pace she deems suitable to her health, and presented in a means wherein she may equally determine what is free of potential harm to her person.

All conditions satisfied.

(Any ... ambiguities merely necessitate further refinement of language in future wishes, to be avoided, which itself may present ambiguities greater still.)

>>972305

Oops, missed this in my, post! But yes, I do think giving her a cool 'witch doctor gnoll shaman' vibe out of nowhere, and all the means to become what she wishes would be the perfect way to toy with her a time yet. Besides, it means she'll have to be even more creative with how she uses it -- without serving her own master in the process!

>>972336
I think you're on to something here, there's a lot everyone can gain with this interpretation.
Moving goalposts and the ability to instruct and influence Rafela while doing so? Sounds likve something that'll lead to some interesting developments.

No need to be gentle with the initial surge to what she can currently handle and know though. Headrush and sudden mystic energies ahoy.
Other than that though I don't actually see any reason to hit her with any serious twisting; with her getting some insight on our advice by listening in on us (when you allow) hopefully she'll view this as a largely collaborative endeavour.

>>972403
She asked to be granted knowledge. Memories are knowledge. And thoughts are based on memories. How prominent the granted memories are, as compared to others, does fall within our jurisdiction. This would not be altering her existing memories (knowledge), but simply adding onto it, as written:
>unless it can somehow be twisted into being part of ‘giving her knowledge’

In any case, my primary choice was granting the knowledge of entity whereabouts, rather than taking her out, since that would work against the genie's agenda.

>>972409
Bro you are stretching that so far it broke five miles back. "granting knowledge" cannot be interpreted as "give me an extreme case of PTSD"

>>933757
>>972260
I just want to add that I appreciate this callback.

In the interest of cute snek, I ask how we interpet her wish not hurt the boi. It's not like he could do anything she would consider "great harm".

>>972336
Heck, we could use this as an excuse to improve his lot: by making him into a "rival" for our "lessons".
Yes, this could backfire, but the clash wouldn't be dull...

>>972305
We dont want to hinder her too much as that would prevent her from causing harm to religion and doing fun stuff you could also alter how she looks and how much she can handle or make her more demonic looking or you can give her only food related magic and knowladge beacuse that hard for her to harm herself with greasy pastries

>>972404
If you wanted to be literal, then what she can "handle" would be interpreted as something that she can hold in hand.

Power: Give her an Orb of All Magic Power.
Knowledge: Give her a Tome of All Knowledge.

What these two items do is of course up to discussion :P

>>972460

Your pedantry doesn't help anyone, nor does ignoring that language and meaning are more than just a single word. She has asked that we give her something, but did not say how. Thus we shall do precisely that, and give her the means.

Why? Because it humors us, invokes a veritable mountain of humiliation on Rafela for her hubris (granting us instant God-Points), and while it prolongs things a time, it could potentially allow her to have power enough to become a tool to us. So long as she bears the ring, are we hers to command -- but so long as she bears the ring, is she equally dependent upon us. The sooner we exploit that and form a relationship of codependency in our favor, the sooner we can begin to act.

p.s: See:
>>972407

>>972336
>"If ever another person takes the Ring, they become my master, and any ongoing commands which you have given will no longer have authority until you regain the Ring. Once you have used your third and final Wish, I shall depart you, your commands again will no longer have authority from thereon, and you may never command me again, save that another master tells me to obey you.”
It seems this teacher relation would also be null and void the moment the third wish is made?

>>972464
It might also be that the teacher concept falls prey to the "never in authority or privilege over any being less wretched in the eyes of the divine than I" limitation. Slave teachers are a thing in real life, but it is a level of prestige above other slaves. Rafela might be equally or more wretched, but I think it would have been brought up?

>>972464
Yeah, I'd missed that. Ongoing effects go poof on Ring swap or third wish, huh.

Maybe a buddy system could at least partially bypass it? 'Save that another master tells me to obey you', after all. If Rafela and Saszaffi wish to they might essentially restore access to past wishes through a mere command. Something like 'serve Rafela as you previously did' WOULD probably restore an ongoing effect (possibly even if the third wish has been spent).

Anyway the teacher idea still works, but has fewer advantages than I thought. Also, the Slave of the Ring does not have to be the actual teacher and could instead create a tool or golem to sockpuppet, with a backup that has desired personality traits/powers to push Rafela in the right direction. Like... once created, some manner of akashic record golem imprinted to power-up/teach Rafela doesn't just go away once she loses the Ring, right? And there's no reason the Slave of the Ring can't sockpuppet it for as long as Refela IS the Master - she can just give it an in-built independent mode on top of that for when Rafela ceases to be the Master.

>>972466
I don't believe this is an issue. Or at the very least there's a line to safely tread in there. It's a matter of bearing, attitude and even subjectivity as different Masters (and cultures) will have opinions on what proper levels of servility is.

>>972460
Nah, if we give her an item, make it the Orb of Infinite Psyche (and suddenly we have a way of communicating directly to anyone who holds it).

>>972474
To disguise an Orb of Infinite Psyche as "all the knowledge she can handle"... 🤔

I like it! (Would need to have an original form and a name to avoid copyright claims tho :P )

>>972472
"Ongoing effects go poof on Ring swap or third wish, huh."
That is NOT what she said. She said ongoing commands will no longer have authority. That's mundane servant commands. Like if she was commanded to only speak in rhyme, or to appear as a donkey, those instructions would not apply any more. Wishes presumably stand unless a wish reverses them.

>>972483
Aha. If wishes can trump that - even the cut-off from spending the third wish - then the teacher option should be quite valid!

She never specified that the power had to be inherent to herself; power she could draw on at will, power she could call instantaneously. You could give her an object that she could lose or have stolen, like a magic scepter that she can ask questions to to get any answer that follows the wish, and lets the user use great magic and stuff once they specify to the staff what they want to have happen. You can possibly avoid them realizing the downsides by making it something really cool looking and dazzle up its creation a little; don't go overboard though, she seems irritatingly savvy.

Alternatively, you could fill up her head with, just, tons of pictures of smut. "Knowledge" doesn't necessarily mean "knowledge she would enjoy having".

Could you interpret the wish to create a magic item that's inherently unstable, so it'll explode or cause some other catastrophe shortly after you stop actively maintaining it? A deadman switch, passive-aggressively violating those "great harm" and/or "can handle" clauses as soon as you're no longer bound by them.

I don't see the value in twisting her wish to be worthless or harmful. Our goal is to topple the thrones of the earth and un-sanctify every sanctum, right? So empowering a gnoll slave into an unstoppable warlord sounds like a pretty good plan to me.

Bonus if we drop hints that we're the source of her power, meaning lots more people will fight to get their hands on us.

So, go nuts with it! Give her a ludicrous amount of power. The absolute most she can handle.

In fact, enhance her body so she can handle a little more than that.

As for knowledge? Hit her with tons of lore. But make sure to focus on all the ways the gods are bastards and have screwed over creatures like her. Especially, anything they've done that's caused problems for her in particular. Give her good reasons to want to disrupt the worship of the gods, and make it seem like you're just unveiling the forbidden mysteries of the universe.

(If you can distract her by sand-blasting her with secrets for long enough that her snake friend steals the ring, that would be just fine~)

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>>974162
>enhance her body so she can handle a little more than that.
Strong body, strong spirit.

>>972305
>... That is also one potential way to interpret ‘all I can handle’.
Apparently this is also a thing.

So what's the upper limit on how much power you actually *can* give to her? Could you say, give her the Magical Power to reflexively rain long range magical blasts upon anything which she has an angry or annoyed thought about (as long as the target is far enough away that the blast Won't Harm Herself), and then give her the Knowledge of many places along with facts about them that would annoy her (conveniently including cities containing major temples you want razed)?