>>201193
Well... maybe I could... no, that wouldn't work. Gods damnit. I guess I have no choice but to leave it to Averna.
Person:"Última cancro antes que você perca."
He tilts his head and smirks a little.
Averna:"Última cancro antes de relatório por uma queixa."
The person hisses.
Person:"Você não lamento, mesmo tendo uma olhada em meus produtos mais tarde."
He turns to face some other people walking around in the city.
Person:"Ei você! Vocês três!"
He runs off to them. We continue on.
Averna:"Scammers."
He tilts his head.
Averna:"You have to watch out for them. It could be easy to be pulled in by their foolery. Would you like to know more about them?"
This demon is nice. Too nice. It'll be easy manipulating him into helping me take over the world.

is he nice, or does he just want you to think that? he is a shape-shifter, a manipulator, if he REALLY IS on your side then he will be a great ally, but if he is not then you may be in trouble.

>>201675
HA! Being nice is not at all related to being gullible.

Don't try to manipulate him, since it could very easily backfire horribly. Treat him well and he'll help you without manipulation.

>>201680
If he turns out on me, I can probably kill him. I'm a pretty powerful red mage, although I need to sort of train on fighting without magic.
Torus:"Can you just give me a summary about what they do, just to get the jist of it?"
Averna:"Sure, sure. They usually try and grab your attention by offering a special deal. They take you to a secrete alleyway, and you brouse their selection. When you buy something, they make you sign a contract with an invisible ink. If you foolishly sign the contract, you have to pay more than ten times the price they sell the item to you, and a subscription fee."
He tilts his head and smirks a little. I need to come up with a name for that motion.
Averna:"And if you don't pay, well, I can't say what happens to you. But I can tell you they have some big brutes around."
>>201686
All right. I won't manipulate him. It would probably quicken things a bit, but I'll be patient. I have a question. When will you trust him? I'll make that the same time I trust him.

really isn't any way to set a time on that. but if i had to then i would say a week for him to become trusted enough.

>>201746
Very well. If you give it a week, so do I. We continue on talking about various stuff whilst walking towards the blacksmith. When we get there, 2 people are talking. In what I think is Portuguese.
Averna:"Oi, Padro. Como vai você?"
One person looks at Averna.
Person 1:"Averna? Onde você estava? Eu não vi você em uma semana."
Averna tilts his head and smirks a little.
Averna:"Eu estava em Andorra, verificando-lo."
Person 1:"Andorra? Por que você estava em Andorra?"
Averna:"Não importa, mas não vai ser uma coroação, e logo-à-rei pode ser alvo de algumas pessoas um pouco desagradável. Temos sonething em mente que podem ajudar a protegê-lo."
He looks at me.
Averna:"Meu amigo aqui só se fala checo, e ela apareceu com o que ela está prestes a lhe mostrar."
Person 1:"Precisamos ir para a mesa de desenho para isso."
He turns to the other person.
Person 1:"Desculpe-me, este vai ter apenas um momento."
Can anybody give me a summary of what they just said? I don't like not understanding people.

Hi, Padro . How are you?
Averna ? Where were you? I have not seen you in a week.
I was in Andorra, checking it out.
Andorra? Why were you in Andorra?
It does not matter , but will not be a coronation, and soon- to-be king can be the target of some rather unpleasant. sonething in mind that we can help protect you.
My friend here only speaks Czech, and she came up with what she is about to show him .
We need to go to the drawing board for this.
Excuse me , this will take just a moment.

has some grammar errors. and missing words bu is pretty close.

>>201831
You wouldn't have to tell me if I understood it the first time. I'll have to have Murelle make something for me to fix that. And what's with him thinking English is Czech? That confuses me. Averna and I follow the person, who I think is Padro, to a table with a stack of papers on it. Padro takes all but one of the papers and puts them on the ground.

The remaining paper he leaves on the table. He then takes a few pencils out of a cup and picks up a few straightedges and a few erasers and he puts them on the paper. He looks at me expectantly. You guidance spirits are going to have to help me out, because I have no idea what a musket looks like.

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can you see this? tell me so and 'll try to describe it. don't need to be exact with it but most things need to be there. also make sure averna explains that it has a hole in the front and is not a solid metal tube.

>>201879
Yes, I can see it perfectly. I grab a pencil and begin sketching it. I'll correct it as you explain how it works and what it's made of.
Torus:"Averna, when I'm finished drawing, I need to explain something to you. Right now, it's impossible to do it right now."
He tilts his head and smirks a little. Why does he keep on doing that? No matter how many times I see that, I can't get used to it.
Averna:"I'll be patient until you're finished, darling."

okay, now the trigger, the little metal peice inside the metal dome, when you pull it it causes the hammer looking part to slam forward and make a spark that falls into a bunch of gunpowder inside and makes the powder explode. since it is contained in metal it only has one way to go, towards the hole, and if a metal ball is in the way it launches it out at high speed.

>>201923
This looks a lot like a crossbow, but with the ammo being put inside instead of on top. I write down those notes. It also looks a little bland, but we'll have time to stylize it later, right?

much later, right now you need them to be stable so they don't blow your arm off. so function over form. and yeah, it is like a crossbow, just a lot more powerful. best one we know of can blow a hole through a 6 inch thick plate of steel, but that requires materials that are very far off.

>>201917

Let me give you detailed construction instructions.

First inquire if this smith can drill a perfectly straight bore through a hardened solid steel rod 42 inches in length. If he can do so, be it through magic or superior technology, all to the better because it means a stronger barrel.

If he cannot, there is a second method that can be used to make the barrel. He will need to take a rod and hammer weld several strips of steel around it. Hammer welding is an elementary technique in smithing, even a dunce could do that part to satisfaction. But since he's a great smith, I'm sure we'll get a much better product than if we had a nobody do it.

Either way, once the basic shape of the barrel is finished, he will need to close one end of the barrel and then drill as tiny a hole as possible through the capped end. That hole is the touch hole, and it will be the channel that the spark moves through. I won't tell him his business when it comes to polishing and finishing the barrel, save that if he knows of any corrosion-preventing electroplate coatings that can stand tremendous heat he should use that coating to finish the barrel. Chromium would be ideal, if it is available.

If he doesn't know of a good finish, we can make a pine oil coating for the guns that will serve until we can set up eletroplating vats.

The lock will be the trickiest part of the gun. Do you know if it is possible to enchant items to emit a small high-temperature spark on command? If that's possible, we can use a magic lock instead of a mechanical lock.

>>201970
Wow, that seems very impressive. I continue drawing the musket and writing some notes down on the piece of paper. Averna translates what the notes say, and translates what Padro says for me.
Averna:"Padro says this musket think is the most influential artifact he'll ever create. He also wants in on taking credit for thinking of the idea."
>>202055
I ask those things, and Averna relays.
Averna:"He says he has a magical artifact for decorating swords. He thinks it'll work. He also says he doesn't know what chromium is. He only ever worked with steel, iron, diamond, and obsidian before. He may be able to find a mage that can enchant it so it's heat-resistant or heat-proof. He also says he might be able to find a mage to enchant the lock."
He tilts his head and smirks a little.
Averna:"Is that sufficient enough?

>>202076

Since he can do it magically, you can amend the specifications for the barrel so that it is a rifled barrel. Have it use seven channels cut so that they twist around completely once from the end of the barrel to the muzzle (the very end of it). This will triple the accuracy of the gun, at the expense of making the barrel more complicated.

The rifle will need bullets. Find a mold-maker who can make a metal mold for casting lead bullets in. We'll use the minee bullet type of bullet, since it's perfect for rifles.

Only the coating needs to be heat resistant. The purpose of the coating is to protect the gun barrel from corrosion, not heat. The gun barrel will have plenty of time to cool between shots.

Chromium is an element, likely not discovered yet if he hasn't heard of it. We can do without the coating entirely as long as you are fastidious about cleaning the gun as soon as possible after you use it.

Everything else sounds fine. The stock of the gun should have a place to keep a thin metal rod that is longer than the barrel and a strong lug for mounting a bayonet.

The bayonet is just a knife with a matching lug in its handle.

>>202120
I correct the specifications on the musket in order for it to be as perfect as possible. As soon as I'm done telling Averna, and he's done translating, Padro goes into the other room. Averna tells me he went to go have his assisstant help him collect the various things and people he needs. We may be able to test this soon if we had some black powder. Is there any way to get some really quick, or do we not need it?

if you can cast some kind of explosion spell into the chamber it should work. start off with a small one.

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>>202131

Murelle needs some time to actually make it. The mixing process doesn't take long if you have high quality components on hand, experience in working with it, and the right tools, but messing up can be incredibly hazardous.

You'll find that your production bottle neck will end up being getting enough of one of the components. Two are easy, if a little time consuming to get, while one is harder and messier to get.

What you'll want to do while you wait for the gun and black powder to be finished is to go and get the mold for the bullets made, get a good thick sort of paper that can be rolled into a tube and sealed easily, and get enough lead to make lots of bullets.

Oh, there's one final thing you can do to the barrel. Once the magic lock is fitted and you know how everything on the gun will be arranged, put a tiny ring with a notched fork on the top of the muzzle, and a thicker ring close to the breech (end) of the barrel. By looking through the thicker ring and focusing on the fork at the end of the barrel in the thin ring, you can achieve good accuracy. Make the rear ring be adjustable, so that you can swap it out for other rings. Thinner rings are faster to aim but less accurate. Thicker rings are more accurate but take more time to aim. If you slide the rear ring up or down the barrel you can adjust for range.

You'll need to experiment with powder composition, charge amounts, and bullet consistency to be able to accurately calibrate, or "sight in," your guns' sights.

At extreme ranges you'll need a special rear sight, called a ladder sight. It looks like this: [see attached picture].

Since ladder sights are complicated and take someone with a good ability to judge range to use well, issue them only to your best shooters.

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And an example of normal ring sights.

>>202133
I think I can do that. I don't think I've ever tried before. I can't wait to see the musket come to fruition.
>>202142
Wow. You guidance spirits are incredibly helpful. I'm glad to have met you. Real glad. Once this musket is complete, taking over the world might be too easy.

>>202230

You're benefiting from about 400 years experience in tinkering with, designing, and employing guns. Once you have enough ready to not only defend your interests (Haru specifically, since he's going to be the leader of a friendly allied nation) we'll teach you proper tactics for using these weapons in battle. Once you've gotten the hang of the tactics and logistics of using rifled muzzle-loaders, we'll jump ahead to more expensive weapon designs like breech-loading repeaters. From there you're not too far away from the pinnacle of personal weapons: caseless breech-loading repeaters with external magazines, and a floating barrel design.

However, there is something to be said for black powder weapons. They're easy to keep supplied, even for an army "living off the land," since the components for making black powder are pretty common, and lead is relatively cheap and very easy to cast. More complicated bullets require special manufacture and mean more complicated supply lines.

This is premature, but is so important it bears constant repetition: be careful to not over-extend your military. That's a mistake most expansion-minded invaders make.

>>202237
Pinnacle of personal weapons? Tell me, are they magically-enhanced? If not, we're already reaching the pinnacle of personal weapons. And just so you know, I don't know what an external magazine or a floating barrel design is. But it's amazing I'm getting a 400 year head-start with these muskets. Not only that, but you say they're easy to make. And about that military forces stuff? I'll try not to spread them too thin. If at any point it occurs to either of us, I'll bring some people back and offer recruitment. That sound fine? I may also have to work on some propaganda for recruiting.

they may be pretty good with the magic, but if you take our best gun and magic up that thing? THAT will be the best gun ever.

anyway, a magazine clip will let you fire the gun several times before you have to reload. while this musket is pretty good you have to put a new bullet in after each shot. we can also eventually get to the BIG guns. make a rifle that fires bullets 2~3 feet wide that can hit things several hundred miles away. we have 9 of those on EACH of our Battleships. the concept is pretty much the same just make it a lot bigger.

oh, also, i agree, we need something to recruit. having haru explain that he could not of gotten to be king without your help would interest people quite a bit.

>>202285

As the other said, a detachable magazine allows your gun to fire multiple shots in quick succession and then quickly reload the entire set of available shots.

A floating barrel is a barrel design that keeps the gun barrel as free from influence from the stock of the weapon as possible. It allows for very accurate weapons. It's overkill for a black powder weapon, but when we move you to cordite weapons it will be necessary for your best marksmen.

Again, the goal here is to create weapons that will be easy for your quartermasters to maintain, and for your field commanders to keep supplied with powder and bullets.

These weapons have been designed in an environment with almost no natural magic. On the up side, that means the basic design will work almost anywhere. On the down side, you miss out on much of the utility magic provides for things like maintenance.

I'm sure that you'll be able to innovate using your magic to make improvements, reduce production costs, and make the guns more robust. When you see a place magic could be used to make the existing design better, try it! We've already made a significant innovation by planning on using a magic lock instead of a mechanical wheel lock or a flint lock.


>>202291

Easy on the hype. Precision indirect fire artillery cannons are a couple of orders of magnitude harder to make than a simple longarm. They also require special forging techniques to be strong enough for the energies involved.

We'll start with simple black powder field artillery, a far more modest upscaled version of the rifle you've just commissioned.

>>202291
>>202292
>>202321
I'll make a note of all of this. It seems very important. I wait for about half an hour while writing down what you told me for myself. I told Averna to not let anyone know about the stuff I was writing down. He tilted his head, smirked a little, and said he'll keep it a secret for me.

When Padro came back, there were about 5 different people that came with him as well as the person who was in here before. They took the time to study the information for the musket, then went to work. It was slowly made, and after about an hour and a half of waiting, it was finally made. I examined it, and compared it to the blueprints I wrote down. The barrel of it was a little shorter, but that's okay, right?

>>202362

Barrel length is directly related to range and accuracy. A little shorter is fine. It's probably still in the length range for rifles.
How big is the bore in the barrel? How thick is the steel that remains? How long is the weapon's total length? A proper rifle is more than four feet long from the butt of the stock to the end of the muzzle.

If you decide you need very accurate rifles, just make the barrels longer. Much longer than the height of a man is unwieldy unless you intend the gun to be used only from a resting position.

In general, if the total length of the weapon is under four feet but it still has a rifle-like stock, it is a carbine type of gun. If the length is under two feet and the stock is designed to allow for single-handed firing, it's a pistol.

A special variant of the rifle is the jezail, a calvary rifle with a stock designed to be easy to hold under one arm, and a long barrel (55 inches in length for the barrel alone was not uncommon for jezail guns).

>>202374
The rifle is... it's a little bit less than 4 and a half feet long. I'll write what you said down for myself later. I feel tired. I look, and it's dark out. Looks like showing this will have to wait until tomorrow. Hmm... I could go to an inn, but that would cost money. I barely have enough to pay for making the musket.

see about sleeping at Averna's place... oh, and did you get a bullet made too? it's size should let it fit in snugly but you shouldn't have to jam it hard. also have Averna tell them that you will demonstrate it tomorrow in better light.

>>202434
There were a couple of bullets made. Not too many. I attempt to put one in there. It fits perfectly. Um... I don't know how to get it out.
Torus:"Tomorrow, I'll demonstrate the musket. Right now, I'm tired. Do you mind if I sleep at your place?"
He tilts his head and smirks a little. The Averna Tilt? Is that a good name?
Averna:"No, I don't mind. I'm getting a little tired as well. I'll show you where I live."
I start to follow Averna.

sounds like a good name. couldn't really suggest a name as it's one of those things that words cannot do justice so no matter how well you could describe it it wouldn't be the same. anyway, normally it comes out when you use it. other way would be an air spell behind it to push it out.

>>202508
Alright. I'll get the bullet out when we're in his house. Averna leads me for a few minutes to a house with a purple door. He enters it. This must be his house. Once he closes the door, he takes off his coat. He then shifts his eyes back into black and his legs shift into a mass of black tentacles. He then looks at me and does his tilt.
Averna:"You want anything to eat before you go to sleep, darling?"

Ask what he eats normally.

>>202632
Torus:"What do you eat normally?"
He does his tilt.
Averna:"Before I came to earth? Sefdik mulch and demons not in my clique. After? I enjoy the wide variety of foods here. For instance, yesterday I ate a salmon. I keep the food stored in the basement. A lot of food."

ask if he has anything he hasn't tried yet, if so let's share the new thing with him. if he has tried everything then have him just pick something at random.

>>202765
Torus:"Is there anything you haven't tried yet?"
Averna:"I have a couple of boxes of puffer fish I know I never touched."
He does his tilt.
Averna:"I really don't know why I never got around to eating that. I'll cook some up for us."
He leaves the room. I never tried puffer fish either. I wonder how it tastes.

oh god stop him, puffer fish are extremely toxic. i mean, one bite and you die toxic. you have to carefully cut out the poison gland before getting it too hot or it ruptures and poisons the meat.

>>202782

Preparing puffer fish is an art, a skill that cooks spend years learning. Most civilized places that haven't banned puffer fish consumption have laws that require chefs serving it to be examined and licensed by the state so that there's minimal risk that they'll kill anyone.

>>202782
>>202787
It's toxic? Gods damnit, I didn't know! I rush after him. He's opened a door ad is about to enter a room.
Torus:"I've changed my mind on what I want. Puffer fish is toxic."
Averna:"Toxic?"
He does his tilt.
Averna:"I didn't know it was toxic. I'm sorry. I'll get rid of it later. I don't want anyone to be poisoned. What do you wish to have instead?"
Torus:"How about some Soba noodles?"
Averna:"Soba? I've never had that. At least I don't think I've had that before. I'll try it again. If you want to, you can explore my house, darling."

well, maybe one day you will find a chef skilled enough at it's preparation that they wont poison you by accident. heard it tastes really damn good. anyway, look around and see what he has. how someone keeps their home tells you a lot about them.

>>202824
No, not maybe. I will one day. Faerid live a very long time, so I'm sure I'll meet a chef good enough in the future.

I begin to search the house. I find Averna's bedroom. There's a wall filled with a bunch of books. There's also a desk with a purple book on it. The room also has a wall filled with a ton of marks. On the top of that wall, it says 'helped'. There's also a small dagger stuck in that wall as well. The bed is pretty long. I could look through a couple books on the wall, the one on the desk, or I could look at the knife.

>>202999
Check the knife. See what the 'help' means.

>>203000
I pull the knife out of the wall. It has a purple blade and a green stone hilt. This is a weird knife. I have no idea how to figure out what the 'helped' on the wall and all the marks mean. I think I can figure it out by looking in the book on the desk. I skim through to the last page with writing on it.

'Heard about the border rule of Andorra, but never heard about Andorra. Going there to check it out. It'll be easy for me to get in.' It's dated a week ago. Should I go further back, or is that too intrusive?

too intrusive. if he sees you then, ironically, he wont trust you.let's look in another room.

>>203154
Okay. I set both the book and the dagger on the desk and leave the room. I open up a door, which has a lot of stuff inside. There's a couple shoes, a doorknob, some clothes, a couple books, a few pictures, pens, pencils, and a bunch of other various items. What has he been doing here?

i think he has just been collecting stuff. from... wherever. collecting it just because it is there.

>>203221
That seems a little weird. I'll have to ask him about it later. I move into a different room. It's the kitchen. There seem to be a lot of papers piled up on the counter along with a few pots and pans. There are also numerous cabinets covered with blankets. Or at least I think they're cabinets. Hmm... Which is more interesting. The cabinets or the paper?

>>203978
Well, since you're being quiet for some reason, I guess I'll just choose the cabinets. I walk over to them and lift a blanket. I see some forks, knives, spoons, scissors, chopsticks, and ladles scattered all along the shelves. It looks like Averna doesn't know where to put everything in a kitchen. I have a feeling the papers are just as uninteresting. Should I check them out anyway, or just leave them and check out another room?

Leave and check another room.

>>204722
I leave the kitchen and head into a different room. I open a door, and I see a bathroom. Except it looks like it hasn't been used in years. I can see dust from here. I think I hear Averna's footsteps headed toward the kitchen.

so... averna doesn't bathe or has no need to.

>>204726
He doesn't bathe? That's kind of disgusting. I know I bathe almost every day. I think I've explored every room Averna has. Well, except for the one he went into to get the food. I'll need to ask him about the marks on the wall. What should I do now? Should I just wait on the couch in the main room, or help Averna with the soba noodles?

probably doesn't need to bathe. doesn't sweat, and any dirt falls off every time he changes form so in spite of his lack of bathing he does not get dirty.

>>204784
Hmm. I guess I should ask Averna more about demons and his house and what he's like. I walk into the kitchen and I see him rifling through the papers on the desk like he's looking for a specific one. He's mumbling to himself.
Torus:"Averna?"
He turns to me, which causes the papers he was looking at to topple to the floor. Averna looks a bit angry for the first time.
Averna:"Damn it."
He looks at me, then does his tilt.
Averna:"Sorry. Can you help me clean this mess up?"
I go to help him. While I do so, I ask him some questions. He tells me the wall with the marks on it is to keep track of people he helped. He says there should be way more marks on it, but he usually forgets to mark the wall.

He also says the silverware being in the wrong place is because that's where he thought silverware was supposed to go. And he doesn't use the bathroom at all because he says there's no use for it at all for him. It looks like your theory was correct. Are there any questions you want me to ask him, or shall I teach him how to cook soba noodles? Or is there something else you want me to do?

>>206374
I guess there are no more questions for him. We finish cleaning up the mess that he made, then I go about teaching him how to make soba noodles. He says they taste good. After a bit more chatting, we go to sleep. When we wake up, we eat some breakfast and test the musket out. I use a small explosion spell to shoot the bullet out of the gun. It worked perfectly, except that it jerked upward. We'll have to fix that.

Should I test out the musket a few more times, or go and get whoever wants to come to the coronation?

Recoil is natural for firearms.

keeping it steady in spite of the jerking is part of the training. is why the bigger guns need to be hooked to some kind of stabilizer.

>>206988
>>206989
Oh. I had no idea the jerk up was natural. I thought you made some kind of mistake. Sorry for doubting you. I guess I'll practice firing a little more. Averna looks like he likes this musket. I load it up again and fire at the same spot I shot at the wall. The jerk upwards is hard to get used to. How much longer should I practice until going back to Jathura?

when you can get within a foot of your first shot 5 times in a row would be good. want extra good get with a half foot. of course since you are using magic you have much better quality explosion. main problem with the first model of these was the powder exploded with different amounts of force because of poor quality control. you may be able to hit the exact same spot several times in a row.

>>207001
Okay. It takes me 8 shots to get it down, and I shoot a couple more just to be sure. I think I've got the hang of this. I've grown to like this musket. I'll leave the plans at the blacksmith's place so they can make more. Averna talks to them one last time, possibly to say goodbye, then we head out of the town. Averna pulls me to an out-of-the-way hiding spot. Then he dies his tilt.
Averna:"I think I may be able to fly you directly to your base. Would you like that?"
Hmm... I could either go alone with Averna, or I can pick Des up. Make sure he's okay.

The recoil should be more moderate when you use powder with it. Using the explosion spell, you're putting much more force into the gun than I ever intended. That's a good thing, that gun is of much higher quality than I anticipated.

When you have time, we can modify the gun to vent gases from the end of the barrel in such a way as to help lessen the recoil. If the recoil is still bad after that, we can modify the stock to have a built-in spring to help absorb some of the energy.

>>207100
Okay, it's nice and all that you're telling me that the musket is high-quality, and that I may be able to modify it to be more efficient, but it still doesn't answer my question as to whether or not I should go to Andorra to pick Des up. I ask you because you whine about how you don't get to do so much of anything, so it's up to you.

Des will probably get a kick out of the new gun, go ahead and pick him up on the way back. See if he's interested in mastering it and becoming your primary firearms instructor for your troops.

>>207737
It's settled then. I explain this to Averna. He transforms into a dragon, red this time, and we head on over to Andorra. He drops me off at the dragonkeeper point, and I head on over to the inn Des is at. I left my musket with Averna to be guarded. I arrive at the inn, and the innkeeper tells me someone was killed. I rush to Des's room. It looks like he's okay. That was worrying. Des looks at me.
Des:"Hey -chie. What's up -chie?"

>>207753

Show him the basics of using the gun, and then ask if he wants to try mastering it so that he can train your troops on it.

Does Des have magic, or will he need to use powder to use the gun?

Ask him who was killed.

>>207773
Torus:"Who was killed?"
Des:"...I don't have a clue -chie. I didn't even know someone was killed -chie. What happened?"
Torus:"I really don't know. Forget it ever happened."
Des:"Done -chie."
>>207771
We walk back over to the dragonkeeper point. I introduce him to Averna. I don't mention he's a shapeshifting demon because he probably wouldn't like that.
Torus:"Des, I want to show you something."
I show Des the m- gun. I'm guessing a musket is a type of gun. I kind of like the name gun. Des eyes it with curiosity.
Des:"What's this thing -chie?"
Torus:"It's a gun. You can use it to shoot people. It's better than a crossbow. It shoots faster."
Des:"Can I... try it out -chie?"
Torus:"Can you use magic?"
Des:"No, I can't use magic. WHat happened? Did Raul make you lose your memory again?"
It looks like he has to use the powder.

>>207797

Explain to him about the powder, and then help him get a feel for how the gun works by using your explosion spell for him. When you meet Murelle next he'll be able to use the weapon without any magical help.

>>207824
I explain to him a lot of things about the gun. I tell him about the powder, how to hold the fun correctly, how it jerks upward, how the recoil is natural for it, and a few other things. I load the gun with a bullet for him. He then takes it and aims at a wall. I warn him when I'm going to use my explosion spell. I Fire off the gun. Des nearly drops it in surprise.
Des:"Damn -chie. That's really loud -chie."
He repositions the gun to get a better look at it.
Des:"This... This seems really powerful -chie."
He looks at me, and offers me the gun.
Des:"Shoot it at me. I'm going to take my limiters off -chie. I think I may be able to catch the bullet -chie."

>>207989

Make sure he gets a good look at what the bullet did to wall before you shoot at him. If he thinks he can deal with that kind of damage if he is wrong about his ability to catch bullets, go ahead and shoot him.

>>207999
Torus:"You might want to take a good look at the wall before you do that."
He quickly glances at the wall, then back at me.
Des:"Okay, I looked -chie."
He offers the gun to me again. Uggh... I think I'll be able to cure him if he gets hurt. I take the gun and aim at him. His leg. Gods damnit, if this hurts him too much, I'll break this gun! Des takes off all of his strength limiters and gets into a ready stance.

I start to count down, but he says not to. Gods damnit, I'm going to hurt my friend! I can't look... I close my eyes and use an explosion spell. The gun jolts up like it should.
Des:"Ah!"
I look. Des shows me the bullet that I shot out of the gun. There doesn't appear to be any blood coming out.
Des:"That stung a bit -chie."

huh, so it's no good against imps. but i say that the fact that a mortal weapon managed to hurt him at all shows you how powerful it is.

i doubt he could of withstood a 50 cal titanium sabot round though, they are supposed to be used against super heavy armor, that is much much later though.

anyway, congratulate him on being super tough and tell him about the crowning thing.

>>208209

Wasn't he present for most of the drama involving the King and Prince Haru?

>>208153
"So, how would you rate its effectiveness?"

>>208209
>>208275
Yes, Des was there for that. Even if he wasn't, he slept over. He'd have a good chance of hearing the story. I'm glad he's okay.
>>208334
Torus:"So, how would you rate its effectiveness?"
Des:"It seems somewhat effective -chie. But what I don't get is why you're using this instead of your magic -chie. What happened? Did you take a vow of Rimmer Dall?"
Hmm... how extensively should I tell him about the potential of these guns?

>>208391
tell him it's a range and ease of use thing. once we get the powder then anyone can use it with minimal traning. it is much more powerful then any bow can be. and can hit targets much farther away. also tell him that the model is one of the weaker ones. for Des you can also make a much bigger more powerful one that only his imp strength could handle without having his arms ripped off.

>>208398
Des puts his power limiters back on.
Torus:"It's a range and ease of use thing."
Wait a minute...
Torus:"And it's also good for anti-magic fields. Enemies who may try to trap and kill me in them will be blown away by superior firepower."
Des:"Heh. You've certainly though this out -chie."

Des and I hop onto Averna and he takes off toward the general direction of my base. You know, a name for it would be nice. Give it a little more flair.
Torus:"This model is one of the weaker ones. Once you get used to this gun, we may be able to build a more powerful gun only imp arms can handle."
Des:"Damn, woman! Have you replaced Torus? Are you some sort of superintelligent doppelganger -chie? Who the hells are you -chie?"
He's looking at me with a confused face. I can't tell if he's serious or not. I'm going to guess he's sarcastic. A few minutes pass, and Des keeps onlooking at me.
Des:"So, what's your real name -chie?"
I can't believe it. He somehow doesn't believe I'm the real Torus.

"Why don't you believe I'm actually Torus?"

>>209488
Torus:"Why don't you believe I'm actually Torus?"
Des:"Sure, she's caring and all, but she doesn't seem to plan out every small detail like you do -chie. I have to admit, you look exactly like Torus -chie. The scar looks perfect as well -chie. You also seemed to have tortured her for the information regarding our base. It's also a common imp tactic to mimic other imps -chie."

He pauses for a second.
Des:"Unless you're planning to take me to YOUR secret base -chie. Yeah, I've got it all figured out -chie. You and this dragon are partners -chie. Give me one reason why I shouldn't kill you right now, doppelganger."

>>209587
Facepalm, then send us over. We're proof enough.

>>209595
I put my hand to my face. I hope you guidance spirits can convince Des. I'm a little worried. Des is my friend, and I want him to trust me.

...

...

[#Kill this fake now!#]
No, I want her to give her reason first. Then I'll kill her.
[#The fake is planning a surprise attack!#]
I'll take that chance. I'm an imp.#]

hey Des, it's us guidance spirits. since we are here to you must admit that the odds of a fake torus with prefect mimicry with guidance as well is very very low.

>>209742
Yea, she's not any smarter than normal. We told her how to do all this, and even gave her all the plans.
Too bad you can't put the kebash on that [#Voice that talks like this!#]. That thing is really annoying sometimes. And by sometimes, I mean constantly.

>>209752
Oh, hi again. I think this proves that this Torus is the real one.
[#It proves nothing.#]
Her guidance spirits recognize you, voice.
>>209775
This explains a lot. I'm sorry. I need to stop listening to the voice.
[#You'll only die#]
It's made for common sense where I'm from, but I think it's useless here.
[#I am never useless. You are being dumb.#]
Des:"Sorry, Torus. The guidance spirits told me you're the real one."
Averna:"Guidance spirits?"
The dragon tilts his head.
Averna:"Why wasn't I told about this?"

"need to know basis, at the time you didn't need to know."

>>209782
Naw, don't be sorry. You can't control it, and we know how hard it is to ignore a voice screaming in your head.
It wouldn't be so bad if it was at least insightful, but it's just a simple little ball of spite and hate. You have our sympathy; we understand what it's like all too well.

Anyway, I'd suggest turning to him and saying "Did you ask?"

I suggest saying "Oh, we're so used to them that they're easy to forget sometimes." That's more polite.

>>209798
That little ball you talk about was helpful when I was in Ifrit's realm. I'm starting to think I'll never be compatible with this realm.
[#To be compatible, you have to kill the weak.#]
>>209826
Des:"Oh, we're so used to them that they're easy to forget sometimes -chie."
The dragon tilts his head. Why does he do that?
Averna:"Very well. If these guidance spirits reveal it, I'm afraid I'll have to kill the both of you."

just say "reveal what?" should calm him down.

>>209959
Des:"Reveal what -chie?"
The dragon's silent for a few minutes.
Averna:"Either they said it and told you not to tell me..."
It tilts it's head.
Averna:"Or it hasn't told you anything. I'd like to confirm whether or not. Please send them to me."
Okay, what is this dragon talking about?

just send us to it. hopeflly we can convince it to tell you.

>>209970
Send us over.

Averna: We didn't tell him anything. Have a little faith in us, 'eh?

>>209972
Okay, I'll send you over. Hopefully you're successful. I wanna know what it's talking about.

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...

I sure hope the guidance spirits never told anyone but Torus.
>>209990
Oh, Hi. I assume you're not lying to me, correct? Very well. I don't want this imp to know I'm a shapeshifter.

>>210019
Here's where faith comes in.
Well, that and us having no motive to betray you in the first place.

>>210034
You want a reason? Demons are hunted in this realm. If more people know that there's a shapeshifting demon on the prowl, it would make people search for me more closely. They would have a better chance of finding out I'm a demon. Therefore, I would die more easily.

Actually, to tell you the truth, I'm very afraid someone would kill me if I'm found out. I was terrified when Torus figured it out. And another thing. Averna isn't my true name. That's all I'm going to say.

>>210049
Er... I just said we have no motive to break your trust. What could we possibly gain from it?
Also, we figured-out your motive for keeping it secret awhile ago.

>>210052
Oh. Sorry, I must have missed that. I'm a little ditzy sometimes. It's why I was never the leader of my clique. You did hear about that, did you? I certainly hope you did. I kind of forgot what it was. It'll come back to me eventually. Anyways, what do you guidance spirits wish to do at this moment, hmm?