this is not hard to understand unless you're an idiot.

by saying "guns aren't good at stabbing something" you show that you've probably never even held a real gun in your life, let alone an old time percussion rifle that was designed with bayonet fighting in mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5dl3FEWrTg&feature=related
link is Russian bayonet fighting. you are a fool to think guns can't handle that kind of combat.

you are nothing more than a dumbass whose only fighting this for its own sake, and I'm not wasting anymore posts on you.

okay, so what kind of military forces do all the races have?

most common soldier?
favorite weapon?
normal battle style?
any of them have special names?

>>9516
A bayonet is not a spear. A bayonet is a small blade that's the equivolent of a knife at the end of the spear. A bayonet will do nothing against an armored opponent.

Okay kiddies.

One: When we last left the Unified Setting, only Goblins had the tech to make guns, nobody else. Arrows are still the better choice for 99% of the world due to costs, technology involved and everything else, plus a bullet of the kind we're talking about here (single shot round ball) won't pierce plate-mail whereas an arrow will, and you can fire arrows far more easily without having to take four minutes to reload. Now you can still carry six pistols with you, but what's the point when they don't pierce armor and bows/crossbows are just plain easier for the adventurer to handle?

As for gun-spears, I don't think so. The sergals don't seem like a very tech friendly race or even magic friendly race.

Ah, that's another point. Why make a spear that shoots bullets while weakening the overall structure of it when you can just enchant it to shoot fireballs?

>>spears are always held with two hands

Unless the other hand is holding a shield.

>>WHO THE FUCK IS REFLUFFING?

You, apparently. Bringing in guns and deciding by your lonesome how the indigenous personnel will react to it.

>>you've probably never even held a real gun in your life

OH BURN. Or not, since have held and fired more than one real gun. And a spear.

>>I'm not wasting anymore posts on you.

A likely story.

>>9540
This is a side thing that Major Max is doing- He likes guns so he's giving them to everyone.

That said.
>>9517
Usual, or with guns?
Usual, I think it's something like (Main units only)
Raiders/skirmishers/stealth - Gnolls (Cover of Night), Goblins (Short green vikings), Wila (Positioning is everything), Sergals (for the Chryssalid defense)
Footsloggan/Legions/Mobs - Humans (especially Baetica), Kobolds (No order, just going in the same direction with enthusiasm), Dorfs (Bricks)
Cavalry/outriders/etc. - Sidhe (Triple-Elite knights), Wila again (LOBSTERS)

Can't figure out where to put the Toltecatl or Doobies. I mean, they must have resisted the Empire a little, at least, but how?

>>9544

does anyone use any special names for their soldiers?

like hoplites, triarii, samurai, dog warriors, ect.?

>>9545
Dunno.
That reminds me though, the Corgyn would have levees of troops; each village would be expected to donate a set number of soldiers, overseen by a council of the leaders of all the villages involved.

>>9517
Weapon:
Faestir: Lances, spears, crossbows, and probably whatever they can scavenge out of the ruins.
Corgyn: Shortbows, shortswords and shields, and luck.
Doobies: ... Fuck if I know. Warspoons? Hooked Hammers?
DORFS: Hammers, Axes, Beefy-ass swords, Picks, etc.
Gnolls: Anything looted, probably no specialised racial weapons that aren't tools.
Goblins: Cutlasses! Guns?! Ballistae! Endless Knives!
Humans: Divided up later by faction. For now, Baetica needs hammers and sickles, Solaris needs big shiny shields, and Gorgossa needs khopeshes or something.
Kobolds: Um... Rocks?
Toltecatl: Spears, weird swords, and buggered-up exotic weapons. Also nets.
Sergals: SPEARSPEARSPEAR with a minority of double-sword.
Sidhe: BOWSBOWSBOWS, SWORDSSWORDSSWORDS, and PRACTICEPRACTICEPRACTICE.
Wila: Daggers, crossbows, spring crossbows, or whatever deity-weapon.

>>9517
Style
Faestir: Hiding, first, then hit and run. Instead of sergal use of GIANT LANDS, they use rain and fog.
Corgyn: One insolent warrior with really good reflexes taunts them into ambush, then ARROWED.
Doobies: Trust in their unique superiority to pull nurglish tactics.
DORFS: Bricks. Blocks of heavy-armor dorfs.
Gnolls: Hide all day, skirmish all night.
Goblins: VIKING POWAH
Humans: Divided up later by faction. For now, Baetica needs MANSMANSMANS, Solaris needs kniggits, and Gorgossa needs quick cavalry.
Kobolds: MOBMOBMOB
Toltecatl: SPELLSPELLSPELLS
Sergals: Skirmish and land use.
Sidhe: ARROWSARROWSARROWS then CHARGANFULLATTACK
Wila: One, they've failed by it getting this far. In which case, where are your supply trains?

>>9517
Elites
Faestir: The Vaess uth Bahamut, or the Arrows.
Corgyn: Beserkers. Bronze weapons, piles of charms, and magic.
Doobies: EVERY DOOBIE IS ELITE WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
DORFS: Hammers and Anvils. The former wears heavy armor and ride rhinos. The other wears superheavy armor and ENDURES.
Gnolls: Warleaders?
Goblins: Enders. Specialised undead hunters.
Humans: Divided up later by faction.
Kobolds: Leader?
Toltecatl: Doorkeepers of Rs. Immovable war-casters.
Sergals: Too many to count. General rule is ornateness of armor.
Sidhe: EVERY SIDHE IS ELITE WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
Wila: We don't ahve any of those at all. Now, would you be interested in buying some of these jewels?

We need one of these for magic, too.

>>9549
Magic organisations
Faestir: The Dancers and the College of War.
Corgyn: Minor Wisemen and Feylocks.
Doobies: ???
DORFS: Magi-Generals, the Council, and the Wise Guild.
Gnolls: Shamans.
Goblins: The Hunters in the Dark, and the Preservers. The latter studies necromancy to better counter it.
Humans: Divided up later by faction. Aurelia gets PRIESTS PRIESTS PRIESTS, for certain.
Kobolds: Smartest one in clan?
Toltecatl: Too many to count. Ruled by Archivists.
Sergals: Part of the Experts Division, along with engineers, sculptors, etc. Have supremacy in their field of study, but only then.
Sidhe: Lifewardens (druids who make sure lifewarping doesn't go too far) and the Invisible College (Floating crystal castle that trains wizards.)
Wila:Very few, mostly in raider groups as a counter to casters they might find.
Low chance of random magic in Sidhe, Sergals and Wila.
High chance of random magic in Kobolds, Humans, and Toltecatl.

>>9616

>Sergals: Part of the Experts Division, along with engineers, sculptors, etc. Have supremacy in their field of study, but only then.

They can't ALL be in the military. Even North Korea doesn't have 100% recruitment.

>>9634
They should have a slave race, like the Spartans. Maybe they're enslavers as well?

>>9637
Well, we know they conquered the southern sergals, but the spartans had nine slaves for every citizen. And that was wholly untenable.

It doesn't really fit, if you ask me.

Can't we just assume they have guys who AREN'T in the military? They can be really militaristic while still not all being in the army.

>>9637
Southern Sergals.

>>9634
Well, they didn't have anything but tribal up to that point...
I can see it being a government thing, and the military handily controls the government.
Either way, the Military can request the use of experts from the government.

For some reason, I am fascinated by the thought of having sergals whipping long lines of chained cutebolds...

Nah, the sergals definitely have non-military citizens. It's just, those who have served in the military or make a life out of it are seen as higher class citizens.

Maybe they have to enlist before they can vote, Starship Troopers style? Wait, who are we kidding, they don't vote, the governor-general and the heads of the clans decide everything...

>>9646

Enjoy your new fetish.

>>9647
The people in the military get to participate in the parades.
Every sergal really only wants to ride on the floats.

>>9644

The sergal military IS the sergal government.

>>9651

Okay, I lol'd heartily.

Wait, are we talking US sergals or Vilous sergals or both here?

>>9647
Maybe only military personnel have the right to marry or something? Or it could be an India-styled caste system, where the lower castes are spit upon.

Military rule of society is the standard for medieval societies, not the exception.

>>9652
...
I just imagined a bureaucracy run by horrendous raptor/shark/wolves.
The mental image is quite amusing, whether it comes out to a sergal sitting in dusty tomes and scrolls with a pince-nez, or practical exams involving not being clawed to death by the examiner.

>>9657
Or the knights and lords are the ones in charge. Feudalism.

You don't want to stop lessers from marrying, because you want them to continue breeding, or spit on them, because you need them to want to JOIN the military rather than hate it, and you need them to build equipment and stuff.

>>9660

This. Though moving up or down in class happens through the military.

Disgraced? Down to peasantry with you. Kill more bird people than anyone else? Maybe you'll be knighted.

>>9662
So, Sergal peasants... what do they do? Herd cattle? I can't see Sergals munching on bread.

>>9666
Cows don't make bread.

>>9666
Lots of herding, yeah.
It's unclear from the US fluff whether it's bullettes with suck, horses, or cows, though.

And no, probably very little bread, if any at all.
...
I just had a mental image of a sergal baker.
Chef's hat and everything.
Wielding one of those pizza paddles like a longspear.

In the US, the sergals have a LOT of territory. Even if it's just grasslands, they could support quite a ton of cows. If they don't drink milk, horses, or some fantasy animal, would work just as well.

>>9666 They might, who knows? I'll send Mick a note later this week and ask him what Sergals are supposed to be. Carnivore or Omnivore.

We need some canon characters, if only for examples.
Nothing of Elminster level.
I suggest >>9761 as a starting point.

>>9766

Nah, but we do need a tordek and mialee of sorts.

We need to give them all names, really. One for each race. Well, one for each of the more popular races. We need a sergal, a corgi, a token human, a drow, a cutebold (driblis?) etc.

>>9770
That's what I meant.
Characters to use for examples.
Sample party, writefagging for chapter intros, etc.

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>>9766
1066 GET

Also >>9770, I think we could use more than one human, since we do have a lot of classes to fill out or replace.

How hard could it be? Signature characters are generally pretty generic.

Fascist Sergal fighter, stout and noble Corgi cleric, awkward Cutebold sorceror or rogue, human pally with dreadlocks, etc...

>>9790
Or we could be dicks and mix everything up.
Kobold pally, Corgi wizard, Sergal rogue, etc.

>>9792
With signature characters, you're kinda supposed to be setting the baseline, not disrupting it.

Though it might be interesting to mix it up a little...

SERGAL BARBARIAN
SERGAL BARD
SERGAL CLERIC
SERGAL FIGHTER
SERGAL PALADIN
SERGAL ROGUE
SERGAL SORCEROR
SERGAL WIZARD

>>9790
Yes

>>9796
Undoubtedly what any party this board makes would look like, given their popularity here.

>>9799
At least it wouldn't require a lot of bending over backwards to explain the party.

"YOU'RE ALL BRAVOS FROM VILOUS.

STOP MUCKIN' ABOUT."

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>>9801

I like the way you think, Anon...

Not to get all "omg haet moralfags" about it, but Evil parties can be fun as long as you don't get too into it.

Some of my most fun sessions have been idiotic rampages where we set half the city on fire and escape by the skin of our teeth.

>>9792

>Kobold Pally

Armor made of tin pots.
A sword that was once a soup spoon.
Endless faith in the goodness of people.
A staunch defender of good.

>>9816

I D'awww'd again

>>9816
He'll smite your sorry ass and make you SAY YOU'RE SORRY.

I don't care for the setting but I love the idea of a Unified Setting.

>>9801
Except that the Mensala badlands has pretty much all of the races in it fighting as mercenaries anyways. If explanation is needed beyond that, they went to Lindwurm in search of Draconian artifacts, where they met Elves, Dwarves, and kobolds (who are somewhat infrequent mercenaries)