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>I find it less believable when the character tries the polygamous/slutty approach.
This is definitely like, THE biggest challenge of DR being a patreon quest with patreon characters. I won't deny that things probably would work better if she was Skif-exclusive, but maybe part of the challenge is making this work? It's certainly a learning experience.
On that note... here I am pretending I have good advice :x
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On that note, that's part of the system I have (and have used since tezakia) to have "something for everyone". Everything is sort of broken up into segments. DR has comedy segments, where things are goofy, story segments that contain most of the character development, and porn segments which is where I have to draw angles I don't wanna draw.
This system can (and has) lead to inconsistent mood, but I think it can be made to work; To have it so if someone doesn't like segment X, they can safely enter skim mode until we move to segment Y.
The mood issue seems to be mostly helped by vastly increasing how long each "segment" is, and having smoother transition periods. I always get worried that DR is being "too serious", but I think part of why it seems to work is that I let it be serious when it needs to be serious.
...i'm just barfing words at you sorry. SUCCINCT MODE ACTIVATE
>Yeah, I re-read SlissaQuest and kinda figured that you mostly already were having a better approach to certain things. But considering that Slissa somehow didn't do all that well, I guess I know nothing and my feedback wouldn't do much.
Were the tropes for the older quests? I learned a lot since the days of VENJI and TEZAKIA! Slissa quest... well, to be honest I went back and it failed a lot less than I thought it did. I thought it averaged 5 suggestions, but the actual average is closer to 10. Yay depression.
The problem is I shot for the stars with Slissa. It was meant to be THE quest, my biggest, most bombastic creation that would wow tgchan through sheer hard work and the best art I can (Reasonably) manage.
It did not pull the numbers it was 'destined' to pull, and it did not get the attention it was meant to get. DR got those numbers instead.
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slinko you're not being succinct at all!!!!
>But I guess that's why everyone needs lewd in their quests, that's the only way apparently to get people to pay attention.
I know this frustration well, believe me. You really are me from 2 years ago, aren't you?
>I definitely am aware that my art has no value when it's not porn, so I guess so is my writing.
Oh geez, so this s what it's like to be on the other side of this.
I... okay deprecation shmeprication. Our work has more value than we think they do. Suggestion count is a somewhat shitty method of determining popularity. Via server shenanigans, it was determined that DR gets about 900-1200 unique visits a month. A lot of that is stuff like cell phones with changing IPs, but that's still way more than ~20 suggestions implies.
There are people, silent people, who read our stuff. Those silent people enjoy our stories, want to see what adventures our creations lead to. We make them laugh, we make them worried when people are in danger. Maybe we even make them cry with certain 4-minute animations of sad lizards.
For them, I always seek a 100% completion ratio. Nobody wants to see a story they get into end suddenly and unsatisfying. For those people, I will always make it to the end. Somehow.
Sometimes that means changing the quest to be easier. Drawing 2-frames in a simpler way, or god-forbid making it one-frames quest, would be superior to abandonment in their eyes. It's why SQ is being retooled to take 1/3 as long to draw. They deserve to see their story, and pretty shading isn't worth running out of fuel and abandoning a story!
We may never reach the point that Weaver reached. We may never be in people's "top 10 quests that have cute birds"
But for the people who are there, who support us beginning to end, we must never give in to despair.
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>I bet you still got more than one Patron to start, even if you try say otherwise.
I've made really close friends in the 8 years I've been doing this... they are always the first to support me which means I will almost always have at least 5 people support whatever I try to do. This one isn't something you can really do without spending the time forming those bonds, but said bonds are worth far more than any amount of suggestions.
It is, without a doubt, the greatest treasure to come from doing the 10k images I've plopped out over the years.
sorry for all the words i'm so bad at this but here is the important thing:
Tezakia had 4(sometimes 5) suggestors for most of it. It was run off-site, to a very small audience, and most people on tgchan probably don't know it exists. My first quest on actual-tgchan was "jiniki's journey", which is believed to be my weakest quest to date. Then I did Venji, which amused people but made some horrible terrible mistakes that haunted me for years.
It took 8 years and several quests to reach DR, which did achieve popularity in no small part because PORN, but it got people to read 2 sex-less threads of kid-Ceri, and thrives despite only having like one sex scene per thread.
Porn might turn more eyes, but porn isn't the answer. Maybe it's a cute character, maybe it's a certain art style. We just need something that gets peoples' attention, and from there it's the writing and the hard work that keep them. That get them to tell their friends.
>The price I picked was also a "what kind of monthly money would I want to be ok with doing a lewd quest". If I made it to be the minimum that I thought I would never reach, it probably would be way lower. Not even triple digits.
A somewhat-impossible high goal may come off in a way you don't want. If you don't want to do a porn quest, I'd recommend not having the tier.
I had the tier because I was secretly a little okay with doing one, and the goal was (apparently) quite reachable.
>I do [like my characters], but I'm the only one. D=
95% of Tezakia's fame came in years after the quest. Don't assume they lack value just because the support isn't instant and up front! Hell, I got 0 fanarts in the fanart thread between 2012 and 2016. Four years of it really feeling like nobody noticed I existed!
But a lot of people know who Sekani and Tayza are, despite the itty bitty initial audience!
And definitely don't count out the possibility of off-site stuff. Tezakia has... I think two? table-top games being run in its universe. What a concept!
>Not asking guarantees they won't answer. I don't fully expect them to answer too. Especially if the scene in question is what I think it is. But me asking is practically an invitation for them to let me know. I'd say that's how all questions are like on the internet.
I'm notoriously bad at reading quests, which is in some part because of the feeling that nobody cared about my stuff (so why should I care about theirs???)
BUT I WILL TRY AND BREAK FREE OF THIS TREND. I'll go through 2-frames and see what I discover. Maybe my 9 years have SOME useful information? man i hope they never figure out i have no idea what i'm doing
MY FINAL GIFT OF KNOWLEDGE IS THIS UNREFINED POST. THIS IS WHAT MY EFFORTPOSTS AND QUEST UPDATES LOOK LIKE BEFORE I CUT THEM DOWN TO BE MORE SUCCINCT.
Around 2013 (when doing Boatface), I learned the power of editing. Thank you, editing!
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See look how succinct this is in comparison! Also folks like you are why I want to revive Slissa. I know there's a non-zero amount of people who want to have adventures that don't devolve into porn!
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