>>91861
Ronnie did verbatim say "I wish I was you" at the end of the last thread when yelling at Lily.

My guess is there's another genie in the picture. One who's more immoral than Pendel, and doesn't make people earn credit for wishes. Or even tell the wisher what they're doing, much less give them a choice.

Oh this won't end well I think.
IDK what this other guy wants but with him getting people to make wishes that will force more wishes on our guys...Well.
I dunno what happens when the Metamyriad gets attached to people but I wager there's a reason Pendy warned us against that.

Sorry for the slower updating schedule. I'm sick and going through a really nasty depression, so it is very difficult to focus on art (or get out of bed at all).

I wanna thank Apollo again for being the coolest person ever and for helping me out with updates. Apollo, you're the best!

"Have you updated within the last 48 hours, Y/N?"
If the answer isn't no then you're doing much better than many.

Also, thank you Apollo.

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/06/22(Mon)02:35 No. 92196 ID: 26e769
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>IdiomAlpha ended up drawing Girl-Wister
>IdiomAlpha: aka the result of Lily actually being just gender-swapped
>IdiomAlpha: instead of twinnified
>Arhra: What's the difference?
>Arhra: She's more aerodynamic?
>Arhra: Three times as fast?
>Arhra: Bigger ears?
>IdiomAlpha: [link] Girl-Wister
>Arhra: D:
>IdiomAlpha: Lily pre-metamyriad had a hard time
>Arhra: I think I see why she opted for a reset
>Inugami: Fin stablized, armor piercing.
>Shifter55: She can penetrate a foot of rolled steel plate at 8.5 kilometers
>IdiomAlpha: Girl-Wister: when you absolutely, positively need to kill every motherfucker in the room, accept no substitutes

Good job making my skin crawl, the personal space issues with this OCD manifestation are kinda... not too far off from rape. :(

>>92238
what

>>92241
Touching someone's clothes without consent, apparently unable to stop. As someone that understands why some people just don't like to be touched at all I get how that can feel like... an assault. Yeah, she isn't grabbing his crotch but it's still uninvited intimacy.

>>92243
That's ridiculous. That's like saying flicking someone's ear is not too far off from beating them half to death.

>>92254
I'm with this guy, this seems like
y'all miiiiight be reading too far into things :v

>>92243
When I scrolled down I saw this post even though I didn't want to. You forced my eyes to process a post without my consent. Your words were implanted into my visual cortex with no permission. You violated my linguistic sanctuary. This is not far off from you raping me. Please never post again.

Replying in dis because this isn't a suggestion and Ronnie doesn't know any of this anyways.

>>/quest/652836
Except there's magic involved.

The metamyriad is bound to not alter whatever it considers to make up wisher's mind. So, logically, whatever it considers to be Lily and Ronnie's minds were exchanged (because to do otherwise would be to alter one or both of them).

We know it's understanding / definition of what a mind is predates today's biology. (For instance- we know people didn't used to have noses before someone wished for them, so the brain would be wired a little differently then. We know death didn't exist until someone wished for it, which would have make biology really different).

Which means we can't rely on a current-biology definition of self, unfortunately. Obviously, the metamyriad considers there to be continuity of consciousness across changes or swaps in biology. (Or else it couldn't have been able to follow its edict to preserve the wisher when granting Lily's wish, Ronnie's wish, the nose-adding wish, the death-adding wish, or Pendel's wish, either). Unfortunately, there's no way to know how far that goes without further data.

Subjecting Lily to a mind-altering drug didn't violate the rules, subjecting Ronnie to a different bath of hormones might not either.

>if you react as you would react
The thing is, I don't think you can take that as a given. That's exactly the thing being called into question- if she will react as she has reacted in the past.

I'm pretty sure this is not supposed to be a quest about neurology, biophysics, biochemistry and neurochemistry. I think there's a simpler interpretation of what's going on here: The quest author's world obeys the notion of mind-body dualism, probably something close to Cartesian dualism.
In this world the mind is not an emergent property of human biology. So therefore in this particular fictional world it is possible for a person's body to have 'the wrong mind' in it, or a mind to be 'in the wrong body.' Yeah, I know this is different from the real world. Yeah, I know that if the mind isn't a physical construct it couldn't be altered by drugs. This is their fictional world though, and it's pretty obvious you can't apply what we know to be true about hormone effects and chemistry in the real world inside it, judging by the phenomena in evidence (a mind swap being possible without at least a full head transplant).

>The quest author's world obeys the notion of mind-body dualism, probably something close to Cartesian dualism.

Cartesian dualism is indefensible and I do not believe in it.

>I'm pretty sure this is not supposed to be a quest about neurology, biophysics, biochemistry and neurochemistry

No, but I do take those things into account.

>Except there's magic involved.
>In this world the mind is not an emergent property of human biology. So therefore in this particular fictional world it is possible for a person's body to have 'the wrong mind' in it, or a mind to be 'in the wrong body.' Yeah, I know this is different from the real world. Yeah, I know that if the mind isn't a physical construct it couldn't be altered by drugs. This is their fictional world though, and it's pretty obvious you can't apply what we know to be true about hormone effects and chemistry in the real world inside it, judging by the phenomena in evidence (a mind swap being possible without at least a full head transplant).

The Metamyriad generally operates within the laws of physics to grant wishes. If the laws of physics do not allow for a wish to be granted, then it will (either retroactively or temporarily) change those laws to allow for exceptions. However, it's not entirely clear how Lily and Veronica were switched around, or what exactly it was that the Metamyriad switched, so for the moment it's not clear whether it changed the laws of reality or not. This is part of the reason that Pendel suggested waiting before changing them back: because he's not sure what the original wish actually did.

>>92735
Apologies, didn't mean to step on your beliefs or imply anything about what you personally think: Many of us who write fiction use it for exploring ideas, and it seemed like you were doing exactly that in this quest.
What I've read about how heroin acts on the body is through absorption into the brain. That's interesting when you consider that Veronica-in-Lily wasn't high when she manifested in Lily's body, and says something spooky about what that magic did.

>>92745
The wish probably shoved the heroin into Lily's brain and took it out of Ronnie's.

The bloodstream is also not affected, and there was heroin in Ronnie's veins.

>Apologies, didn't mean to step on your beliefs or imply anything about what you personally think

No worries! I wasn't offended or anything. I just wanted to clear things up.

>Many of us who write fiction use it for exploring ideas, and it seemed like you were doing exactly that in this quest.

Oh, I am trying to explore ideas (mainly about desire and the use of incredible power, as well as deconstructing things like the 'teenagers with superpowers' and 'trickster genie' genres), but Cartesian dualism is utterly worthless, as is most of Descartes' psuedo-philosophical nonsense. The mind and body are intrinsically tied together. Even Descartes couldn't justify his position in any meaningful way - just look up the 'pineal gland' in reference to his philosophical ramblings.

For a quest of mine that does explore the semi-dualism of the mind and body (in a science-fiction world where people have mapped the formation of memory in the central nervous system and can more or less replicate one person's identity in another person's body) Memoriam is based heavily on those concepts.

>What I've read about how heroin acts on the body is through absorption into the brain. That's interesting when you consider that Veronica-in-Lily wasn't high when she manifested in Lily's body, and says something spooky about what that magic did.

That is interesting, isn't it?

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/07/11(Sat)17:44 No. 93019 ID: 26e769
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>Riotmundy: draw lily doing a powerbomb onto wister
>IdiomAlpha: Riot I am just going to draw post-powerbomb Lily and Wister
>IdiomAlpha: Past self beatdowns: the harshest
>Arhra: It’s the way of the future.

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/07/11(Sat)17:47 No. 93020 ID: 26e769
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>IdiomAlpha: I should probably get to work on the prequel quest
>IdiomAlpha: So we can get around to sad Wister funtimes
>Arhra: Making a flower cry
>Myconid: really?  I'm not sure what we'd wind up doing in it...
>Arhra: Yeah it might be kind of like the Star Wars prequels
>Arhra: you don't want pre-Ikram to become Jar-Jar, do you?!
>Arhra: Do you?!?!
>IdiomAlpha: Well, it’s still not clear how she got her wish, or what the world was like when she left it
>IdiomAlpha: I guess I could just make it a prequel comic
>IdiomAlpha: yeah, I’ll do that
>Riotmundy: comic might be wise ye

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/07/11(Sat)17:49 No. 93021 ID: 26e769
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>_Apollo_: Idiom please tell me page three is the powerbomb
>Arhra: Ahahahaha
>Brom: it betta be
>IdiomAlpha: APOLLO
>IdiomAlpha: YOU’VE KILLED ME
>IdiomAlpha dies of laughter
>Shifter55: Sounds like one way to give a wish
>Shifter55: powerbomb someone into another dimension
>_Apollo_: I've figured it out
>_Apollo_: The MetaMyriad works by powerbombing people into their preferred reality

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/07/11(Sat)17:50 No. 93022 ID: 26e769
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>_Apollo_: "I want to get powerbombed off this bridge and land knockers first into an alternate reality where I'm a girl and haven't thought through the consequences of this request"
>IdiomAlpha: pfft
>Shifter55: NO TIME FOR CONSEQUENCES, WE MEET IN THE RING NOW

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/07/11(Sat)17:53 No. 93024 ID: 26e769
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>IdiomAlpha: In the back of my brain, I feel like this dialogue has been used somewhere else
>IdiomAlpha: But if it has, I can’t for the life of me remember where
>Shifter55: feels like something out of a comic, so go figure...
>Ashe: Despite his assurances, Latias wasn't so certain. "A-are you the devil?" she asked.
>Ashe: The creature looked amused. "Me? No, though I have been called by that name on some occasions."
>Ashe: Latias recalled Vincentio had also once mentioned the Devil's opposite, an omnipotent being that had created the world. "Then are you God?"
>Ashe: Idiom have you read latias fanfiction lately
>Ashe: That is what google tells me it may be from
>IdiomAlpha: no
>IdiomAlpha: So I’m not a thief!
>IdiomAlpha: I’m just on the level of pokemon fanfiction :|

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/07/11(Sat)17:55 No. 93025 ID: 26e769
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>Shifter55: Yay prologues!
>Hatticus_Finch: ophidian, why are you bothering this fellow
>IdiomAlpha: h-huh?
>IdiomAlpha: Eh, Ophidian is way more ratty
>IdiomAlpha: he is tho

Geeze, no wonder Lily thought Pendel was a jerk if he pulled the mysterious asshole shtick with her. Why is he cosplaying Odiphan, anyways.

>I’m an immortal speed wizard
And then Pendel was Sonic.

>>93138
Is Orchid really that much of a filthy, spewing asshole?

>>93150
Probably, yes.

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/09/18(Fri)11:26 No. 94911 ID: 3bc92d
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I figure I might as well post the Quantum Refraction character designs here.

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/09/18(Fri)11:30 No. 94912 ID: 3bc92d
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Originally, in the first Metamyriad thread, I'd started off with the intent to have a minor gothic and/or punk design theme for each character.

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/09/18(Fri)11:33 No. 94913 ID: 3bc92d
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I sort of lost that original design theme as I struggled more with mental illness and school. Really, the art style for the Metamyriad has been decidedly inconsistent in general.

Sorry about that.

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/09/18(Fri)11:35 No. 94914 ID: 3bc92d
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Still, I'm trying to revive that gothic/punk theming for Quantum Refraction. I think that styling fits this version of the Metamyriad more easily, since it's a bit darker in tone anyway.

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/09/18(Fri)11:39 No. 94915 ID: 3bc92d
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I'm going to do my best to keep the art style consistent this time around.

Here's hoping that works out.

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/09/19(Sat)22:17 No. 94949 ID: 3bc92d
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Allow me to present to you:

The Continuing Adventures of Alternate-Universe Trans-Man Wisteria Wilton!

When last we saw our hero, he was being forcibly removed from his own body (a body which did, in fact, happen to be a little too female for his tastes anyway).

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/09/19(Sat)22:21 No. 94951 ID: 3bc92d
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Could this be the end for our hero?!

Tune in next time for another installment of:

The Continuing Adventures of Alternate-Universe Trans-Man Wisteria Wilton!

>>94951
Idiom this is a side-story to a side story

>Idiom this is a side-story to a side story
So you're saying that it needs its own side-story now? Possibly about how that universe's Silvio wants to make everybody have a nice day... or else?

How many side stories until we're back to the main metamyriad?

>>94954
Until we get to what the main Ikram did without Wisteria's friendship, I guess.

Wisteria!5tTWT1eydY 2015/09/23(Wed)23:28 No. 95024 ID: 3bc92d
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I ended up slightly changing this design in the time between when I made the concept art (before Quantum Refraction began) and his first appearance in the quest.

What happened, Pendelion's got a nose in this version now?

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/10/26(Mon)15:14 No. 95794 ID: 3bc92d
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>>94915

The originally-posted character design for Ikram was always a complete lie.

hehehehhe i fool'd u

This is Ikram's real concept art for Quantum Refraction. Attentive readers may have already spotted this version of Ikram on Wisteria's facebook page.

The design has mostly stayed the same. In the quest proper, I've decided to try rendering his actual skin tone, but who knows how long that will last.

http://pastebin.com/3nrjhAFJ

I wrote this 3-4 months ago as part of Wister's prequel story, but then I got distracted and haven't gotten around to finishing it.

Canon backstory for both OG Metamyriad and Quantum Refraction.

Wisteria!5tTWT1eydY 2015/12/15(Tue)13:18 No. 96510 ID: 3bc92d
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Veronica's design is slightly cleaner and more put-together than OG Metamyriad's Veronica.

Turns out working to throw off addiction, living in a permanent home, and having a loving girlfriend helps with personal hygiene! Who knew?

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/12/30(Wed)21:21 No. 96755 ID: 3bc92d
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I've been playing around with a different art style.

I figured I could draw a Wister. So I did! Yay!

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/12/30(Wed)21:22 No. 96756 ID: 3bc92d
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>IdiomAlpha: Wister face drawins
>Shifter55: IdiomAlpha: Hairband!
>Shifter55: or a bandanna

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/12/30(Wed)21:24 No. 96757 ID: 3bc92d
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>Riotmode: idiomalpha, cool shit, but consider: punished wister
>Riotmode: idiomalpha hang on I gotta do it
>Riotmode: I put actual work in making it game-accurate scars

Idiom Alpha!5tTWT1eydY 2015/12/30(Wed)21:25 No. 96758 ID: 3bc92d
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>Riotmode: idiom amazing
>IdiomAlpha: :)

So I'm pretty sure I found an Idiom character cameoing in EGS.

http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1409

Okay, not really, obviously, but something about her expression in panel five just made me think of you.