i vote YES to humility.

>>74948
This could be seen as holding the quest hostage in order to get praise from the Cool Kids Club. It would be better to continue unless those specific people you care about actually object to it instead of people in IRC just offhandedly saying they aren't interested in stripping people.

I mean what are the chances that all the people you want to respond will even READ this?

"I don't like it" and "I'm offended by it" are two completely different things. I think everybody on this board just chooses not to read the things they don't care for.

If people don't like it they can DEAL. They don't have to read it.

>>74953
Also yeah, I mean, people who don't read the quest aren't gonna bother reading the discussion thread unless they heard you talking on IRC or whatever.

Also just to be clear I am not in any way offended by the quest.

>>74954
In lieu of writing out an argument I'll just second this. This quest is not for me at all but that doesn't mean I want to run you off the board or anything.

i don't mind it, i've been wondering if my quest should cross that nudity line myself

I vote yes. It's a light-hearted quest.

First, I am not an author, so take or leave this comment as you like.

This quest disturbs me in a way that no other tgchan quest has, and that's saying something. It strikes me as immensely creepy and fetishistic, and lowers my opinion of those involved.

That in mind, it should carry some weight that I think anyone who's actually offended by it does not deserve to be accommodated in the slightest. This is tgchan, not the local church. Be as creepy as you like. You're not even trolling; if anyone has a problem with your quest, they are free to press the hide button. Despite my feelings on the matter, there has been and will continue to be far more overtly offensive material on tgchan, and that is normal; as far as I'm qualified to judge, you're not further reducing the respectability of the site at all.

I don't like your quest, but I very much like tgchan's quality as a place of relatively free expression. Someone being offended should never be sufficient reason to stop anything--at best, you're trying to accommodate a highly subjective moving target. I would be very happy to see this quest replaced by something better, but let that decision be made on the basis of its own merits, not to quiet any claims of offense.

Besides, you know how to draw and (your writers know) how to spell, and in my book that puts Humility above a good chunk of tgchan despite its character.

>>74950
a number of people calling the quest garbage. this came as a shock because until this point I'd not heard any real critisism. I feel insecure because I don't know how much is not being said out of being polite

>>74953
I'm not holding the quest hostage, but as the current chapter is over now is a good time to evaluate how the quest has been going, and general opinion, I'm not asking for praise I just don't want silence, I think it's important to know why people don't like certain things as that is the first step towards making improvements.

personally, though I like the fetish, it was not my idea, I'm mostly offereing a pen to a creative cause I agree with.
some people have suggested less fetishy directions for this quest to go in and have absolutely no problem with that concept

>>74960
Also I don't think anyone's actually claimed to be offended at all in the first place.

>>74961
>some people have suggested less fetishy directions for this quest to go in and have absolutely no problem with that concept
I'd certainly like that. I guess part of my deal with this quest is it's got technically competent writing and good art so I want to like it, it's just that the whole malicious pervert god objectifying more or less innocent women thing is creepy as hell.

I actually don't like humiliation,
I mostly just like funny expressions and clothing loss (little/no audience prefered)

>>74963
Humility is straight up a terrible and evil being
I think the long term plan is that he will end up being the main villian

I think the quest is fine as is. It's a silly and entertaining quest.

>>74964
listen brudda, why do you torture yourself with something you don't enjoy- if you feel like continuing it you have the power to direct it to a place you would rather be

Don't force yourself on account of obligation- you got a whole board of folks who'd understand if you took a few creative liberties

>>74966
I'm not "torturing myself"
I'm just saying I empathise with the humiliation aspect bothering people, I continue doing it because I believe there could be an adequate payoff storywise and understand that sometimes characters in stories are asses and are abusive to people

>>74967
what is it that you call doing something that you don't like?

>>74968
what I'm saying is I don't have to enjoy murder to write a story in which people get murdered

bad things happen to people in stories, it's true

i'm just wondering if you enjoy writing the story, you're getting a little too worried about what a small minority thinks- if you like doing the quest i don't see why someone's opinion about it bothers you this much

You should never censor yourself because someone might "get offended". They are free to hit the hide button if they do not want to read it.

As for the quest itself I think its very entertaining. Humility is obviously a creepily evil old school sort of god and I hope to see his powers turned against him one day.

The board could use more lighthearted fetish quests. People like to get offended over fictional writing far to often.

>>74960
>This quest disturbs me in a way that no other tgchan quest has, and that's saying something. It strikes me as immensely creepy and fetishistic, and lowers my opinion of those involved.

If this quest honestly disturbs you more than the works of Reaver, Flynnmerk and Vytalibus to name a very select few among many then I don't really know what to say.

Now I just recently signed on to this (you can see where the trip changed), but my plan is to make this quest ridiculous and fun, I don't think there's anything necessarily creepy about stripping the clothes off pompous people. In my view, the entire thing is and should be tongue in cheek, light hearted, and not taken so seriously. It's a puzzle quest about harmless nudity, and the targets all have a ton of negative karma to boot.

If anyone's on the fence about this then I ask you to withhold judgement until after the next round, when I get to write for characters I've created for this. After that, we'll see how things go.

>>74973

Since you're writing now, I want to humiliate a tzeench sorcerer.

>>74963
>, it's just that the whole malicious pervert god objectifying more or less innocent women thing is creepy as hell.

That's not objectifying. Objectifying is taking away everything that makes someone human to glorify their physical attributes. When a character exists purely for fanservice or to show off their amazing body and has zero character otherwise, that's objectifying.

Second, nobody is innocent and one of the targets has been a man. The entire plot of the quest so far is that the god of humility is punishing those who partake in the sin of pride, in addition to being generally bad people. Refer to my post above for my take on the future of the quest.

>>74974
Actually... that has potential. I'll think about it.

>Humility is straight up a terrible and evil being
In the sense of one being ordering what amounts to vigilante assault against another? Sure.

But in the sense of a god trying to punish a sin, with the intent to allow the sinner a chance to reform and repent? And in a fairly benign manner? Humility's tactics come across more in the league of fae pranks and cruelty than the torment that could be inflicted by a vengeful god.

And I am more than happy to run around taking people down a peg who need it, and not turning on the dude giving us our orders.

I like this, wanna see it keep going.

Humility is pretty cool. Loving Modesty. I should also mention that I really liked your Clamp Quest thing a while back. I thought it was strange that that one got so little attention.

>>74975
>In social philosophy, objectification means treating a person as a thing, without regard to their dignity.
Pretty much exactly what's going on. Pointing a finger and going "well I'm not as bad as those guys!" doesn't help your case here either. Classy.

Quest, have fun, do whatever. Not everyone will read it.

>>74982
I'm glad you liked that, but it's understandable that it wasn't very popular as my writing is fairly weak, which is especially noticable when I'm compared to Lagotrope
(not everyone can make Lago spinoff's as good as Jukashi!)

I like stamping hubris into the ground. I mean, nudity ain't what I like the best I'd rather Nameless One shame 'em through dialoge-like but my dialog rants suck shit so I guess this is the simplest way.

I just want fun various ways. Nudity? Fine brah. But I also like screwing with the mind. Enough times just getting 'em nude to humiliate them is going to be too similar. I would have loved finding the priest's own embarrassing secrets and revealing them to the world. Something actually permanent. Everyone in that congregation is just going to laugh and snicker but know it was just an "accident" or if they're smart enough figure out that it was a third party (those cat ladies aren't just going to forget our fake get-up, some sort of word's going to get around).

>>74988
I think the idea was that it shouldn't be permanent because they didn't do anything deserving permanent humiliation.

I do hope we get someone who does soon, though. No way saying that is going to bite me in the ass later.

>>74989
An embarrassing secret reveal would have been pretty permanent without being too harsh. And it wouldn't have been viewed as an accident either, well that depends on the secret.

We must bear ALL secrets, be they flesh, sin, or words!

>>74984
...at worst, you can complain that the god in question is focusing on the most perverted way to humiliate people. That's... really not objectifying them. In a way, you could say that seeking to humiliate someone is IMPOSSIBLE while objectifying them, because objects cannot be embarrassed.

>>74984
I said that the quest was not as bad as what others have done in the context of that the quest disturbed someone more than "any other"

There are far worse quests and quest content than simply "Oh my a person is naked how lewd." and honestly, I can see no way that this quest could possibly disturb anyone more than the content of something like the quests authored by those named and more.

Secondly, nobody is being treated as an object or thing you silly billy. They are persons who are targeted by a vengeful god because of things that they have done.

Now everyone calm down, have fun, and stop over-thinking these things.

Speaking as the one to start this, I think I've a stake to take part in the discussion, although it's a mite late.

Haha, I love arguments.

Anyway, you have to understand a few things - first, not much of the quest is really planned. Or was, anyway. It was meant, from the beginning, to be a silly, fetishy romp, which appealed to both me and LW. It's not so much meant for just porn as it is shits and giggles.

It's not meant to be creepy, nor is it meant to be serious. I mean, really, this is like Senran Kagura, or even Queen's Blade. No sex, no aroused genitalia. And we're (or at least me) aiming for additional, secret objectives that give you more power for being more clever, like making the goblin wrestler lose in addition to losing her clothes. (I hope this trend continues, btw)

I understand the dislike, but as everyone else says, hide and ignore if you don't like it - It's not like we're taking over the board!

I don't have any strong feelings about this. It's a fetish quest and that makes people uncomfortable, but I think the ship has sailed on disallowing fetish quests.

It's a pretty mild fetish at that.

>>74994
You're doing that thing again.
Also, ”sexual objectification” is not the only meaning of the word. My point is that if you can't see why someone could find this a bit creepy and intend to dismiss any other opinions as silly there is zero point in continuing the conversation. There is a difference between overthinking things and not thinking about them at all.

I wish the creative energies and cool concept of a power-based puzzle quest was applied to something with fewer nipples that didn't make me feel as bad but w/e! I'm down with it

I don't read it because I feel funny about taking peoples' clothes off against their will but I can see the appeal of the mechanics and etc. and even moreso if public nudity is yr thing. We don't have enough puzzle quests! And the art is nice! So that's a good thing.

Oh but making an argument about how it isn't even a little fetishy and is just giving prideful people their just desserts is p silly until there's a character who has that happen to them in a way that isn't getting naked

I love how everyone's yapping about objectification, when the titular picture of this thread has the god of humility reduced to an inanimate statue.

I had a bit of an issue with the quest up until the latest mission, at which point it became basically fine: hey, at least we objectify both genders now.

Ok, first off this whole debate is big, stupid, and completely unneccessarry, and beyond this singular post I wont really be weighing in on the matter.
What it boils down to, however, is that porn exists, and it stands to reason someone would want CYOA style porn stories.
Yes, it is kind of creepy. Y'all are right about that much, but then again most porn IS.
Thing here is, who cares? this is hurting literally nobody, and people are having fun DOING it. And when it boils down to it, that is pretty much what quests are about, having a goddam good time

And honestly, this isnt even the harshest fetish quest on here
I mean god damn, soulsworn is about some douchenipple that steals panties to feed his megaman gear new powers, that is loads creepier than this man

TL:DR stop your bitching, people are having fun

>TL:DR stop your bitching, people are having fun
critisism is good, it's the only way to learn.
if I wanted to receive nothing but praise I'd go back to deviant art

>>75033
Cut that out.
Even if that wasn't a scuzzy as fuck thing to say normally, the author asked for people to give input and have this conversation.
Don't tell them to shut up.

>>75036
Oh, well shit
that was my bad, ignore that post entirely because that was dumb
Next time I wont jump into the middle of things, sorry again yo

>>75004

There is a difference between finding the quest 'a bit creepy' and saying that it is creepier than the various quests that have included 'trying to fuck retarded people who are clearly hesitant' and 'telling retarded people to rape and eat other people.'

The response was, in fact, in response to this post:

>>74960


So here's the answer:

Quit being a dipshit. You are being completely dismissive of what he IS saying in a textbook strawman sense. You are ignoring the context to which he is specifically referring in order to say he's trying to deflect ALL conversation.

Classy.

Hell, you know what used to be creepier than this? Mudy Quest.

And we all basically loved Mudy Quest.

>>75123

> And we all basically loved Mudy Quest.

U wat m8?

It was pretty much divided between people that loved it and loathed it. It was a very polarizing quest and it was certainly not 'loved by all'.

>>75125
Ehh, maybe time has gilded the memories for me.

It was definitely more creepy than this thing, though. It should be remembered just for that, so that pretty tame quests such as Humble Quests wouldn't be declared the epitome of creepiness.

>>75134
A good amount of people do remember it as just that

>>75148
Clearly not enough, since we still get posts like >>74960

>>75162
To be fair, if that's how he feels, that's how he feels. Just saying that you think something else is creepier doesn't suddenly invalidate how another poster actually feels about this thing.