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Well, I was rather busy, and I'm back to comment further. There's been a lot of good discussion while I was gone. I actually laughed pretty hard at some of the jokes and references. ^_^ This is why I enjoy this quest-board.
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>>62730
I'm going to make an argument in defense of my idea of the element of "culture" here. Mainly these are in comparison to what seemed to be the old main pick of "civilization".
Any time that a group of people gather together for an extended time, a culture is created by that group. That culture is the mores, morals, ethos, and bonds that bind the people together, and govern how they interact, as well as any outward signs of those bonds, such as what heroes are held up in their stories, songs, and plays - if the culture is long lasting enough.
Obviously for some this brings to mind the fancy wining and dining and ritualistic behavior of "high society". However it extends down to the way that a certain family handles the circumstances they find themselves in, or the group dynamics in a life boat from a sinking ship.
A culture of people can build a "civilization", as in laws, and bureaucracies, technologies, roads, a nation with defined property and borders. However, while the office-culture of a particular law-firm or lunch-room-clique can indeed be called a culture, I doubt it could be called a civilization. As such, I do not think that "culture" is as limited as "civilization" is.
About the only time I think you could make a case for a civilization absent a culture is when you have "the ruins of a lost civilization". This is basically a corpse, that is then often built on again... as we see from the current location in character. You might be able to make the case for a large fey freehold.
And since you can describe a large tribe of Barbarians as a culture, I doubt that this would put Saulanna in opposition to Luna.
We also want to eliminate the surge of soulfire from feeding. Showing restraint in how you eat, and not splashing evidence of the meal all over are reflected in manners, which is a part of many cultures. Showing restraint when Saulanna feeds, and eliminating the soulfire are two goals that we seem to be in consensus on. That is how culture, and feeding are related to one another, and our goals for Saulanna's development.
Yes, I said that I think that we could use the Deva in the upcoming social battle. I think that some elements are more likely to help than others, and more likely to be of more help. This isn't my main point, but something I think we shouldn't completely ignore.
All that said, culture, much like civilization, does depend on language, communication, words. I think it's different enough not to cause problems. However, to paraphrase his position, Jukashi thinks that this is so close to words/communications as to impinge on Wordblood's territory, and increase strife. Also, it makes Wordblood uncomfortable, even after explanation, and that has been established in character
That is enough reason for me to seek other possibilities. I like some of the major ones others have brainstormed, and will comment on those separately, below.
Too long to read: I think "culture" is better than "civilization" for a lot of reasons, but I'm willing to move on. This is mostly because of what Jukashi said here, and Wordblood said IC.
>>62516
>Raccoonbending
Okay, that's really really funny, but I say... no. Nice Avatar reference though.
>>62886
>Will
Will speaks to me of mental strength, and the ability to resist or to push on. One of the things that I want for this Feeding Deva is some conceptual connection to restraint, though I do not think that "restraint" itself is an appropriate element.
I think this Feeding Deva would be very generally useful. Further, it also seems connected both to what little we know / have established about Saulanna's take on feeding, but also seems connected to her personality in general, both before and after the mind-wipe.
So far I like this one best, and think we should definitely ask Wordlbood and Peregrine about it.
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>>62864
>Desire
Since the person to suggest "Desire" said that perhaps there was a better word to describe what he was going for, perhaps "Determination" is what the original commentator was looking for?
A Feeding Deva who's powers resolve around pursuing that which it has set itself to, whether to feed on a certain stubborn morsel, or resist letting it's hunger injure the greater good.
But, as HalfTangible already said in >>/quest/467665, it's so similar to Will, that I think that'd be talking about the same concept. I'd support either Will or Determination, personally, and I think I like the flavor of Will a bit better.
>>62472
>Time
Okay, I think this is actually pretty interesting. The ability to re-allocate TW spent on abilities that were once useful, but aren't any longer, or that we liked but turned out to be a bad idea after all, sounds very powerful. Even more so if we can quickly and dynamically re-allocate power. That said, we can probably get lots of fun and interesting powers, eventually, with all sorts of different combinations, if we think in a clever way.
>Light
Hmm. This might let us more easily feed on that soul-fire, which is one of the reasons we're going after a Feeding Deva. That said, I think it'd be better to save for later, if we do use it.
All the Incarnae shed light (sun, moon, stars, red sun), and so does the green sun Liger. So, I think it would be a good idea to ask Wordblood about it, even if we intend to use "Light" later, rather than now.
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> Love \ Bonds \ Connections \ Nurturing
Hmm. I like the idea of one of Saulanna's Devas nurturing, or spreading love, but I don't think it makes sense for this particular purpose. I'd rather save this kind of element for a soul designed for a more specific purpose, like a diplomacy Deva, or a Deva for making new forms of life.
>Knowledge
If "Culture" is too close to "Words" then I don't see how "Knowledge" isn't.
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I'll try to keep brain storming, but I thought I should address the above ideas first.
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>>62707
>Ma-Ha-Suchi
>>62896
>eating city gods
I'd think eating cities would make Saulanna rather like Amoth City-Smiter personally.
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>>62887
Light
Con: Possible Overlap with all incarnae, and possibly Liger, the Green Sun.
Pro: Possibly less overlap with any than sunlight, moonlight, or starlight.
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