>>69409
We made a deal with Note Writer, that once Silja's recovery were complete he'd investigate our past for us.
We're also going to go through our childhood photos and yearbooks and things with Lyubov to check for inconsistencies in our childhood memories. Remember, Lyubov's single living Gate of Self 'sister' is in a relationship with that world's Armas and she therefore has some childhood Armas stories to compare against. Obviously to be taken with a grain of salt given it's another world, but valuable nonetheless.

>>69405
It almost certainly relates to the two blank bloodlines and the NN strikes as well. There's also the possibility that the majority of Armas' remembered past is fabrication. That it never happened, or happened in a radically different fashion. We just don't know.

'Mr. Grim-moire' is most likely an AORB operative, in my opinion. Though he could obviously be something else.

>>69421
look up mr grimm in the AORB databse we have access to

>>69433
No u.

More seriously, we don't even have a proper name. If he is an AORB operative, he wouldn't be in the database, or else he'd be classified. Checking the database would be a decent way of narrowing the possibilities but not necessarily conclusive. Something to keep in mind in any case.

>>69434
if he is an AORB spy on armas' parents, something I find unlikely.
If he is a third party then they likely will have a file on him.

>>69437
I agree with this. He a magical operative of some kind working within America itself. If there's not something in the database on him, that is reason to be very suspicious.

>>69404
A horrible waste, he offered a wish that he is soulbound to NOT resent armas for.
It could be something like "teach me all you know" or "provide me with X of your flesh" (for consumption) or what have you.

Heck, the goblins BOUGHT knowledge about armas from some info traders and armas is a millionere now and commands significant power and has contacts. We should use those to track down info brokers who know and pay them in money or labor or both for the knowledge.

Also we could use some og questions here. Remember we are on good terms with him thus far and he has been going above and beyond the LETTER of the agreement, and he respected our desire for knowledge. Asking for knowledge about such an issue (which does not deal with raw power) would probably further earn his respect and as such be answered with good will and beyond the mere letter of the contract.

>>69651
I definitely agree that it would be a waste. But we should keep in mind that just because he's bound not to resent Armas, doesn't mean that he wont slap our shit if we overstep ourselves.

>>69675
True, there could also be others who would do so on his behalf.
But would asking for tutoring justify shit slapping?

>>69677
Tutoring is fine. "Teach me all you know" isn't. I know I'm quibbling and you were speaking in broad terms and giving an example rather than make a specific suggestion in ernest. But I think it's important to keep in mind that there are requests that will end badly for us.

Owner could effectively lobotomize Armas with sheer weight of knowledge, for instance. Or he manages to teach Armas everything. And now Armas possesses knowledge that in his hands causes him to be an impedement to a more favored plot of Owner's; Owner kills Armas, not out of resentment, but practical concern.

That kind of thing.

>>69710
I was thinking the best requests would be respectful and not trying to exploit him on the letter of the agreement.
Like... "take me on as a student, where the time you spend teaching, the pace of the teaching, and the specifics of the knowledge imparted are what you deem reasonable and fair"... how is that?

>>69727
Generally I'd say that hanging terms off of his values is risky. His perception of what is reasonable and fair in terms of the tutelage he offers a being like Armas could be incredibly unfaivorable.

But no matter what we ask for, there is going to be a paranoid interpretation so, eh.

>>69729
The idea of hanging the values off of his own interpretation is to prevent him from being a monkey paw like amen and interpreting our wishes literally in a way that fucks us over.

I think we should forgo the soulbind entirely and explain to him why. It is a gesture of goodwill. Even if he is bound to not resent it others could and would if we dishonor dragons in general... but most importantly we know better, we have experience with the bloodfiend and how one's wishes can be interpreted via a strict adherence to the letter of the request while being something you wouldn't like. So we forgo the bind, but instead let us discuss things with him in a more candid manner where he informs us what is appropriate to ask for and what isn't

>>69747
I'd rather demand he get bound by a humorous individual. Either wildly inappropriate or difficult to attain the services of or something. Make him work for it. He'd appreciate it, I'm sure.

And he wont let us NOT have him bound, because it's part of the game for him. It'll give him jollies. We can't deny the man his jollies. Seriously, it's dangerous.

>>69677
There ARE others who would. Tiamat has a whole host of dragon groupies, hangers-on, fans, and adorers.

Testing. 1, 2, 3.

Keep in mind dudes, our Deal with Ogrimir (which Einrik just pointed out is basically a Curse) requires us to kill living einherjar. In case you're not hip with the times (it's cool, I had to go back and check out thread three to remember this myself):

1) Living Einherjar are Einherjar in mortal bodies which were not built for them. Young einherjar like Osto, or veterans who never died like Gunnar, or people with tricks to fully take over mortal bodies like Aska and Gleb (NOT using the 'die and posess your own corpse' trick, as far as I can tell, but instead actually enjoying some sort of Ressurection that reuses their body or hijacks another mortal's body) all count as Living Einherjar.

2) Spirit Einherjar are Einherjar who have died and gone to Valhalla, and then come back as ghosts for some reason. These ping as Einherjar, but don't count. We can talk to them freely and Ogrimir won't care.

3) Spirit Einherjar who are ensouled in a golem body also don't seem to count. Abolec was one, and when we destroyed his golem body we didn't get to ask a question. On the other hand, we apparently didn't need to destroy it either.

So, since Einrik was kind enough to tell us that almost all the Einherjar in Japan right now are Spirit Einherjar who are ensouled in golem bodies, we know we probably won't get anything from killing them.

>>69954
You seem to be correct. But to be fair, posters aren't pulling it out of their butt. Rather it looked like word of bob was saying otherwise in his latest post in thread.

>>69990
I'm guessing it was word of Bob but that he'd forgotten earlier established rules of our deal with Ogrimir. Or it was a Test that Buttz successfully navigated. Yay Buttz.

>>69954
>3) Spirit Einherjar who are ensouled in a golem body also don't seem to count. Abolec was one, and when we destroyed his golem body we didn't get to ask a question. On the other hand, we apparently didn't need to destroy it either.

Word of Bob, at the time and also back in thread 4 and 5, was that we did need to destroy it, just that we wouldn't have a question from it, because Ogrimmir.

>>70123
>3) Spirit Einherjar who are ensouled in a golem body also don't seem to count. Abolec was one, and when we destroyed his golem body we didn't get to ask a question. On the other hand, we apparently didn't need to destroy it either.
>Word of Bob, at the time and also back in thread 4 and 5, was that we did need to destroy it, just that we wouldn't have a question from it, because Ogrimmir.
So what happens when Abolec test pilots our golem?

>>70149
>So what happens when Abolec test pilots our golem?
Remember, we needed to kill Gleb only once (Gleb sure didn't die by our hand when he ate his own head). So, well, this should apply to Abloec too.

>>70156
If that is that case, we now have a way to deal with spirit einher who are friendly.
Craft a disposable golem body for them. Have them possess it. "kill" it.
They are now safe from us.

Son of a bitch. Old fan here, haven't been to tgchan in some time. Last I was here, Bob was still on Golem Quest. Well, I reread Ant Quest, was feeling pretty good, figured I'd try and catch up with this thing.

And holy shit. This thing is huge. I'm still in the first thread and it feels like I've been reading for a loooooong time. Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed myself thoroughly. It's just now I'm at some junction where the characters are in some kind of extraplanar/illusory stairwell that never ends hunted by phantasmal killers, and the segment likewise never seems to end.

I just thought I'd share my suffering with you folks. Give me time, I'll catch up eventually.

>>70477
Please update us on your thoughts when Minions become available, and the whole Lyubov shitstorm (you'll know it when you see it.)

>>70478
Knock it off. It's done, grow up.

>>70478
You are literally the only person still upset over that. You're an adult, so grow up.

>>70491
Aight, it's more fair to ask for once-a-thread thoughts anyway.

>>70478
> and the whole Lyubov shitstorm (you'll know it when you see it.)

Elaborate.

>>70528
Trust me. You'll know it when you see it.

One of the minions slept with the main character. That's really all there is to it. There's the separate issue of us telling her about ALLVIEW, but really? >>70491 >>70479 They're right. There's nothing whining about it now will solve.

>>70528
>>70535
You make it sound like the minion raped Armas or something. This was not a sudden thing, it developed over time and occurred due to player action all round. The only meaningful contention was between the players who had different ideas of how Armas should have behaved.

And stop doing that spoiler tag thing.

Dude, it's an actual fucking spoiler. As in, a plot development later on. It's how they're meant to be used.

If you didn't want to spoil anything you wouldn't have brought up a specific instance of contention among the player base that was "an actual fucking spoiler".

They asked for elaboration and you gave them a non-answer and some spoiled text. Are they going to not read it? No, they are going to read it because it presumably contains what they actually asked for. That being an actual explanation.

You using the spoiler tag does not disavow you of the responsibility for the spoilers. You can't argue that they're making a choice when you brought up the subject and continue to string them along in as non-satisfying a manner as possible.

>>70535
I'm not the same guy who said he's just started to read this. I was just curious what you are referring to.

And no, you're not the only one bothered by the lyubov's mary sue, dm cock-sucking favoritism bullshit that has been going on.

>>70541
>You make it sound like the minion raped Armas or something
That's one hell of a way to interpret what was written. I never would have even remotely come to that conclusion.
>>70540
Because they are no longer commonly used like that one usually writes something like "actual spoilers" before using them the old-fashioned way.
>>70541
>string them along in as non-satisfying a manner as possible.
That is how you are supposed to tell someone what you are talking about if you don't want to influence their judgement. There was an issue about a minion who slept with Armas. No more information should be given because anything more is unnecessary for ff0c36 to know which issue Dollmaster is interested in. Anything more like
> This was not a sudden thing, it developed over time and occurred due to player action all round. The only meaningful contention was between the players who had different ideas of how Armas should have behaved.
is potentially clouding the judgement in a minor way. You are already saying it was ok which is something the reader should judge for himself. Other than that you are intentionally harming Dollmaster's position by saying he is the only one who still cares about it. You don't even seem to want independent opinions to form. Quite contrary to Dollmaster who explicitly wanted the opinion of someone unaffiliated with your group.

>>70572
As far as I know the shitstorm was not on armas having sex with her.
But because her powers and build give her massive bonuses against divine creatures should she turn hostile. Some people freaked out into full paranoia mode and decided she intends to mind control armas and usurp him as the main character. It was a completely unfounded fear.

>>70574
Way to spoiler stuff for someone who has yet to read that. Good going there MrTT just after there was discussion about not spoiling the story for the new reader you decide that trying to be perfectly accurate (and yet again reducing a more complicated issue to a single aspect you personally think important) is more important than just letting the guy read it for himself.

>>70579
Nothing was spoiled, it was a vague line that revealed nothing about the plot.

>powers and build give her massive bonuses against divine creatures
Spoiler
>Some people freaked out into full paranoia mode and decided she intends to mind control armas and usurp him as the main character
Unnecessary OOC information that shapes how the quest will be perceived. Someone who reads it after this will look out for how someone might think she manipulates people.
>It was a completely unfounded fear.
Just let the guy read it for himself! Don't judge for other people whether stuff within the quest can serve as a foundation for theories. Sure, she didn't become the main character and her player apparently never intended for her to become a MC. This doesn't mean there had never been any reason to fear it.

If there has really never been any reason to think bad about Lyubov regarding taking over or any of the other stuff her player has be accused of (because that has not been the only thing despite what you imply) then there is no reason to explicitly state again and again that there is nothing. If there is really nothing one can reasonably object to just let everyone see for themself. You don't have to convince someone who has not even read said thread that there is nothing there. And it is probably quite futile to attempt convincing someone many month later that there is nothing to be angry about. Quite frankly your attempts to discredit an opinion of someone who isn't even trying to propagate said opinion in front of someone who had been asked to serve as a neutral third-party as ludicrous. I don't think I will reply to further posts on this matter as I have made my point clear.

tl;dr: Don't try to force your opinions on the new reader. Just let him read for himself.

>powers and build give her massive bonuses against divine creatures
>Spoiler
Irrelevant little tidbit that reveals practically nothing. Especially in the context of having already been told there are 20-some minions.

>Some people freaked out into full paranoia mode and decided she intends to mind control armas and usurp him as the main character
>Unnecessary OOC information that shapes how the quest will be perceived.
Bull

>It was a completely unfounded fear.
>Don't try to force your opinions on the new reader.
Do you not understand what the word opinion mean?
It is not an opinion. She didn't turn her powers on Armas, some predicted she would, they were proven wrong.

Also, telling someone MY OPINION is not FORCING my opinion on them.

The fact that she doesn't, hasn't, and/or wont doesn't make the fear unfounded, especially relative the time frame in question where her capabilities were a very new thing. At that juncture it was decidedly in the realm of opinion rather than fact and events since then do nothing to dispel the conditions the opinion was formed in.

Also, irrelevant tidbits? Hardly. Simultaneous revelation of her having exceptional powers and Armas being divine. Both of which were plot points of relatively great importance and narrative impact and also a lot more specific than "hey, later we get dudes working for us".

>The fact that she doesn't, hasn't, and/or wont doesn't make the fear unfounded
That is the very definition of unfounded fear.

>Exceptional powers & divine
I didn't say her powers were exceptional, only that they gave her an advantage vs a specific type of being.
Divine is hardly a big reveal as it:
1. Is all over this thread
2. Is all over the wiki
3. Occurs pretty early in the quest whaitiri soul graft
4. Its not inherently superior to other types of power, its just A power type. It was like saying "Aang from avatar is an air-bender".

>>70617
>That is the very definition of unfounded fear.
Not relative that timeframe at which point most of the data that would make the fear unfounded was simply not available. You can't look back and say that because an event did not occur, that concerns over it possibly happening were unfounded.

As to point (3) of your list, no that's wrong. Magical mechanics reveals are such that that's not a relevant metric as it happens, from the perspective of the reader.

>>70617
1. I for one didn't read much of the discussion until I had catched up to the quest for this very reason.
2. Nor of the wiki. I don't really see any reason to read either before having read the quest.
4. Massive boni against any magical group count as exceptional power in my opinion.

>unfounded fear
To give an example: You are jumping from a cliff. You have reason to fear for your life. You somehow survive. Does this retroactively make the fear you had before unfounded?

I really shouldn't answer you. You are not good at arguing nor at seeing reason, I fear.

>>/quest/511426
>Summon Bonzi and invoke his item storage deal to get to KJB without having to leave the line.
We can't summon Bonzi, we can only use his power to store items... not sure he has enough power to do so from the moon. He is bound to attempt so it might kill him to try (remember SB would have to have sacrificed half his shade in the attempt)
>Summon Grigori for drunk Wizard shenanigans.
>Summon Dorjpalam for trying to get a shenanigan-less Wizard drunk.
>Summon Oggmum for no reason at all.
>Summon Hyougo because now you're just trying to collect them all.
How?
>Ask Iron Trick whether it'd be possible to Darkening the moon. Threaten Lunastaroth with removing the moon from existence.
>Threaten Lunastaroth
No
>Ask Iron Trick whether Rabbit would like to speak through him to Lunastaroth, assuming you get in there.
As if rabbit needs our help... and who said he wants to talk to him?
>Mix drinks for everyone and surreptitiously try to put your blood in it to make people (if they're human) cannibals.
Willingly giving out your blood to people who hate you is fucking retarded

>>70727
>As if rabbit needs our help... and who said he wants to talk to him?

Consider: The moon is VERY FAR from earth, and is distant from the NeverNever. It might be that Rabbit might need the help, yes - and rabbits have at least one cultural connection with the moon (Japanese).

>>70727
Perhaps if you don't like the ideas, you could post something yourself? It's rather annoying to have ideas shot down (even stupid ones like this) with no alternative presented.

>>70729
I did, it was dissected point by point as being stupid and then I deleted it.

Also, I am the first guy who came up with the idea of summoning grigori. You heard it being discussed on IRC most likely? Thing is, you just said "summon X" without saying HOW to do so

Armas knows somebody that almost certainly knows what to say to scare the shit out of everybody here, has enough schadenfreude to do so, and can communicate mentally with him.

Unfortunately, it's Amen.

What happened to this quest? Has it fully transitioned into an irc-game, died, gone on hiatus, turned invisible? Are there any more interesting irc-logs?

>>74811
Indefinite hiatus. So yeah, it's dead.