oh yeah and by the way, I'm starting a patreon!
https://www.patreon.com/toxoglossa
If you like my work, I'd love the support

Your colors are always so magical Tox.
Also how was it drawing a room full of shelves full of dildos, the designs of which you had to cum up with?

Hey, were you guys curious what happens when someone reads a perfectly good comfy-smut story, gets interested in the universe as a whole, and writes some spooky stories that take place in that same universe?

If you were, here's Memorial Services, stories about Lazarus the Sender and Josie, his ghost girlfriend with the power to hulk the fuck out.

Memorial Services (Prologue): https://pastebin.com/aPfS439a

Memorial Services (Reaper Man): https://pastebin.com/5DvTvqzB

Toxo approved, in the sense that they do not completely hate the fanfics in question and they more or less comply with Moot Point canon. More to come in the future!

I love this quest sooooo much! The art style is adorable, all characters are so nicely written and have cute and appealing personalities, and the storyline is so good and gives off so much happy vibes which makes it SO comfy and fun to read; I'm addicted to it! Keep up the amazing work!

It's really, really disconcerting to see people constantly assuming that horrible things are going to happen as a result of banging a kelpie.

Like - the level of overreaction is kinda silly, you guys.

It's a comfy, fun quest!

>>120987
Not all quests that are comfy and fun stay comfy and fun.

Also, people are allowed to have an opinion on if the kelpie is going to screw us over or not.

>>120988

I can say with almost complete certainty the quest isn't changing tone and in fact toxo is trying to make it more comfy.
as someone who has conversed with the author on the subject of the kelpie lewds. The Quest is not suddenly shifting to be more serious, its entire conception and plan moving forwards was and still is supposed to be about comfy, nice, problem solving for these spirits (even if its mostly involving fucking.) and it has weighed on Toxo's mind about weather there should even be any kelpie lewds because he is worried that the suggesters don't like the character.

cute mouse butts are A++++++++++

The Kelpie is likeable, there's just some serious implication that she's dangerous.

The Kelpie is adorable. Even if it does turn out to be some sort of Fey trick, being swept off to an eternity of cuddling doesn't sound like such a bad fate.

>>120989
oh no but kelpie lewds

>>120997
Slightly more seriously I think it's less people don't like the character and more that fae generally and kelpies especially have kind of a terrible reputation.

FWIW I'm just a no-fun-allowed asshole who plays to win. Everything'll be fine, but what is sweeter than getting laid AND knowing you won?

>>120988
Toxo isn't me, heh.

Seriously, though - the entire reason Toxo's made this quest is to have an excuse to draw cute things having comfy fun. I'll ask him to post here and clarify for people tomorrow, so that way everyone's on the same page.

I can understand why people would be so worried about deals with the far but im hoping to change that preconception as we meet more of them. Im already changing a lot about their nature to fit my fuck-monsters-and-ghosts quest, and while i do enjoy a certain amount of dramatic tension, i dont intend to make them bloodthirsty or evil. Just kind of alien.

Though people seem to think losing to her would be the worst case scenario and thats not the case. The worst case scenario is to tell a bad story.

That being said, what’s really bothering me is suggestions that feel reliant on out of character information. Like in the case of this chapter: earlier I received a suggestion to lure the kelpie out with sex. A good suggestion but it would be bad storytelling to do that right away, plus I like the ambiguity created by waiting and splitting up the party. But now that theres ambiguity, suggesters want kol to immediately try and catch her because theyre operating on the OOC assumption that she isnt the true casey. And Im not going to have Kol do that right away because she’s given him no reason to believe that. I might have him be suspicious, but her suggestion to lure the kelpie out is still a good one.
Its part of the problem with writing something that is more puzzle oriented: I have to give readers clues in order to make appropriate suggestions, but I cant make it so obscure that I bottleneck the quest.

I love the kelpie. She's adorable, if not entirely trustworthy, but her motivations are pretty clear and she seems social enough.

As an aside, as I'm still new to questing, is it OOC/meta knowledge to make recommendations in accordance with what we believe the tone of the quest to be?

The sex lure idea was believable to me, but I did think that would be a bit rushed. I should've waited an update or two to post it.

Is it meta to think 'This is a comfylewd quest, the kelpie seems to want kelpielewds, we should propose a strategy involving comfylewds that might win'

Why would assuming it's the Kelpie in disguise be OOC?

>>121012
I think I see now what's happening.

The suggesters are thinking of ourselves as our own entity.

Toxo sees the suggesters as just being whatever character is on screen.


The trouble is, with a three-character quest it can be very tough for us to keep track of what each character is supposed to know.

I was worried about this issue a bit with XenoQuest, since Outissa and Penelope are separate narratives.

My solution is to just ignore posts that have cross-information, and if it ends up becoming a problem, then I'll just make a post in the thread gently reminding people that there's no shared info.

Maybe try doing such a reminder, Toxo?

>>121015
That doesn't actually address the question you're responding to and comes across as kinda patronizing.

>>121017
I addressed it.

If were are giving a character suggestions based on information that character doesn't have, then that's OOC

>>121019
The question was "why is jumping to that conclusion / making that assumption OOC". You answered "what does OOC mean."

The fundamental disconnect being that the readers didn't actually have information the character doesn't have. The readers didn't have prior knowledge that's the kelpie in disguise- they assumed or guessed it was. A character would reasonably be capable of being similarly suspicious or wary without additional information.

If Toxo's asserting it's not in Kol's character to be suspicious of this kind of trick when hunting fae, that's fair. But that's not the readers failing to compartmentalize information, that's the readers lacking information about Kol's characterization or this setting's version of fae.

>>121020
Its something Ive run across a lot in my quests. I create a situation where there's some ambiguity, or there's a character that's kind of sketchy.
People are really quick to suggest "Oh dont trust that guy" or something but I'm not going to have a character act on that alone. Think of it like an RPG: you might know a character is up to no good but you cant act on it until you've found plot triggers to move forward. People gave some good suggestions as to how to find out if shes a kelpie or not, but I was getting the sense that people just want Kol to grab her and declare victory because they're so afraid of losing.
TBH just winning outright would be a much worse outcome than losing.

>>121021
>TBH just winning outright would be a much worse outcome than losing.
Not really. Just because we win, that doesn’t mean we can’t still have fun.

We could just take the kelpie to our house and everyone can lewd the kelpie. It gets her out of the spa and she gets to have her fun with Kol, everyone wins!

>>121021
What's wrong with wanting to win? Especially when it'd be so easy?

The reason i decided to make moot point was because i was spending a lot of time making porn that was fun and cute, but also easy and had no context or story. And while theres no shortage of easy sex in moot point, my goal is to create a story. Something that involves dramatic tension and sometimes failure, not because i want to punish characters or readers, but because its more interesting that way.

Theres nothing wrong with wanting to win, or wanting to see a character succeed, But tgchan has a kind of obsession with always achieving the best possible outcome to a situation. anything less is taken as a failure on either the authors or the suggesters part. But the thing is, i would rather a single suggestion in which a character fails, but in an interesting and creative way than a hundred tactically sound and predictable answers. It doesn’t mean im always going to force characters to make dumb, tactically unsound decisions. but it does mean that if i see something that is creative and fun, id much rather go with that.

But ive seen authors get a lot of pushback whenever they do that. A good example for me was causing bucky to wreck the Starlette in the sunfish. I took a suggestion that i thought was creative and cool and applied some consequences (as well as some dice rolls) and it created a situation that the cast was forced to deal with in the next chapter.

So in response to “Whats wrong with an easy win?” Its because its easy that its not satisfying. As an author its like setting up a murder mystery dinner and having someone say “the butler did it” during the first course. Its not that theres anything wrong with it, but that instant gratification is what im trying to avoid. There were good suggestions not just saying “she is the kelpie,” but asking “How can we tell if she’s the kelpie?” But just blind assumptions are not what Im after.

So, last night, I had a silly little idea about a hypothetical situation. Namely, what would happen if two Gabes suddenly ran into the locker room in the middle of Kol and Casey getting filthy.

After a few drafts, this fanfic was the result.

And Soon They Number More (SLIGHTLY NSFW): https://pastebin.com/Hrxakbjp

Raptie can you maybe not openly dunk on suggestions you don't like in threads? Or at the very least be polite or try to see the other posters view. The current moot point one was really put off by that last thing.

>>121109
I understand where you're coming from.

But.

Understand that the suggestions other people were leaving were putting off several individuals, myself and the author included.

>>121112
Then be polite about it, that's the gist of what I'm saying.

>>121112
ironically in your quest to white Knight for the sake of people's discomfort you wound up making others uncomfortable

maybe you should let people fight their own battles, if they're uncomfortable they need to suggest against them themselves. preferably politely but this is a chan board and violent infighting is pretty much always guaranteed here

I understand that you guys want to be able to disagree politely, and I'm all on board with that, but I think dredging up a week old post to do a callout is a pretty impolite way to go about it.

I thought Raptie was being fairly polite about it at the time, and wasn't calling out anyone in particular. The discussion moved to the disthread and I think that people got better overall about keeping the suggestions lighter and more chill. While I'd like to keep arguing to a minimum, I understand that there's going to be disagreements between readers and I think you guys have kept things pretty civil so far.

That said, please don't use my threads to do callouts or start fights. This isnt the Coxwette disthread.

Aw man I don't do this often but the suggestions I've been getting for this chapter have been fantastic! Thank you guys for keeping things creative and fun! Sorry if Sunfish fans are stuck waiting for updates, its just been really great working on this chapter

>>122509
Well thank YOU for making this thread, I am loving it.

The doom was obviously a 3000-year-old loli dragon necromancer.

>>123221
I have heard of this before.

Pretty soon this quest is going to devolve into The protagonists constantly trying to outdo eachother by sleeping with increasingly mythical/fantastical/divine creatures.
“Oh so you banged a lich? Well i banged a god!”
I’m scared of where this will go next.

>>123987

expect Gurren-Lagann-level escalation

>>123988
Next stop: The Fates! All three of 'em at once!

>>/quest/899526
Hm. I could have done that rap better. If anyone wants to improve it just post.

Hey!

Why dont you just recycle your other characters from your not current quests? You seem to being doing your best with moot point so I feel like itd be nice to see some cameos now and then from wasps and such

I notice that the five threads of Moot Point so far seem to be lining up with the five levels described here: https://prokopetz.tumblr.com/post/180645572357/

>>126765
Oh shit, you’re right! XD

It's not really a perfect one-to-one mapping, but there's definitely an overall trend along the scale being measured. For archival purposes, in the all-too-likely event Tumblr implodes:

Level 1: Porn with plot

Level 2: Porn with social commentary

Level 3: Porn with troubling philosophical implications

Level 4: Porn with maddening revelations of humanity’s place in the cosmos

Level 5: Porn with math

hmm, how do i put this

toxo, you managed to make a boney look bone-able
the zombie is zoinkable
we are not opposed to getting down with the dead dude we want to make the ol' skin and bones rattle like a maraca
we want to fuck a zombie???

STOP MAKING THE UNDEAD LOOK FUCKABLE HOW DO YOU EVEN DO THAT?!?!?!?!

>>127409
>HOW DO YOU EVEN DO THAT?!?!?!?!
Apparently, he does it very easily, since it happens so often.

>>127188
>>127409
I mean... while fucking ghosts and the undead are kind of the point of the story... I think some people's interpretation of fuckable is a bit different from mine

>>127415
but they're all such wonderful characters! and your art style makes them all look cute and handsome. they may be dead in body, but they're so alive in spirit!

Hey Tox I don't wanna be "That Guy"
but
CoW and The Sunfish?

>>127415
It's the way you draw faces.

>>127415

I admit, I was really dissapointed we didn't get a sex scene with Opinel. Is there any possibility we will get one in the future?

Its something I'll have to think about. Opinel is one of those guys who seems to find combat more romantic than fucking. In a sense... it was good for him...?

This chapter evolved a lot more than most as I was writing it. initially Opinel was a kind of imposing, silent, black knight and I'm really happy with how he came out. But I hadn't planned for any kind of zombie/ghoul fucking in the chapter.

As fun as the lewd stuff is to write, it has to feel like its in character and works with the story. Fuckin Opinel is something Im not going to rule out, but I don't want this to feel like Coxwette where people get angry or disappointed because X character got fucked instead of Y. As the cast gets bigger, I'm not sure who is going to have sex scenes and who wont, but no matter who it is, I want people to feel included in the fun.

>>128365
how surprised were you when suggestors wanted to lewd the zombies?

i love the quest btw, lewd and lewdless both

>>128365

I understand, its just he turned out to be so ridiculously cute I was sure we were going to have a scene with him.

>>128367
Opinel wasn't too surprising, its more that his character changed at the last minute and I wasn't really expecting to do anything lewd with him. (though as he's clearly been bisected at some point in his past, I have some worrying questions about the mechanics of lewd times)

As for Norman, yeah that caught me pretty off guard. of all the NPCs, hes the one people wanted to shag? huh...

>>128380

I think people mostly mentioned Norman to be funny, or possibly to see how you'd pull it off.

How does fay magic work? if it requires a deal I'm sure we could come up with something. We have mostly had Nixxy help with her mind, this seems like a chance to have her flex some more magical muscles unless this is all highly dependent on the fay in question.

As for the complicated and expensive thing, my thought is that as the average citizen probably doesn't know extensive seelee law, they can use tricky wording and uknown rules to fuck people over with their deals.

For nixxy herself though, they might just not think much of her in that sense cause her demeanor is coming off more like an excited tourist.

>>128828
>>128844

These actually both kind of tie together.

The Feywilds are essentially a place where the Age of Wild Magic never ended. Mana is much more readily available there and magic is much more common. Fae society is designed around the idea that many of its citizens are capable of things like: shapechanging, invisibility, and some forms of teleportation. To maintain the rigid hierarchy, they rely on rules that seem arcane and weird to the mortal world.

Some of that ties into the rules of trade between the worlds. Fey don't have a whole lot of interest in things like money, so when buying from them you might end up bartering away... memories, a performance or whatever is in your pocket. The most reliable thing to trade with them is handcrafted goods, since the time and skill involved are recognized as a form of value. There's a fair amount of small household charms that owe their existence to trade between the mortal and fey realms, such as ice charms and magelights.

>>128897
so we need to ask Nixxy what, if any, kind of magic she has, got it.

I brainstormed some general possibilities on the newest charater, Clio's apparent resemblance with Augustine Moot, founder of Moot Point. My understanding is that all the comments/speculations/analyses/casual conversations should be posted here, while the quest-threads are for plot-driven suggestions only. So here they are.

Possibility 1: Clio is biologically related to Moot.

Possibility 2: Clio is reincarnation of Moot.

Possibility 3: Clio is Moot.

Possibility 4: Clio received some of Moot's power.

Possibility 5: Clio was exposed to a power source which Moot was also in contact with.

Possibility 6: Clio received her power through an attempt to replicate Moot's power.

Personally I think them being relatives is most likely; it's an intuitively straghtforward connection. She doesn't have to be a direct descendent; could also be a distant relative from a family line that stayed when Moot gated away. Though her lack of training / knowledge of the senders still have to be explained. Perhaps she was seperated from her family from youth? Or the power was lost in her family line until emerged again on her? Could the chapter title "The Wild Hunt" be an indication that some fays are involved?

Regardless, I'm enjoying this quest as always, and look forward to see how things go.

I also think it'd be amusing if by the end of chapter, Gabe ends up learning Claíomh Solais after spending time with Clio...

I really have to wonder why there are so many people who apparently never read any other suggestions. That's especially important when a riddle or puzzle is involved.

This one was solved in the first two suggestions, then we got a ton of suggestions who are either trying to cheat, or don't understand the rules.

>>129545
That's because the first two suggestions contained the classic answer, the one that's sure to work when the puzzle is explained by a third party. It goes out the window when the alleged knight and knave are the ones explaining (an example of this I can remember off-hand was Yu-Gi-Oh).

>>129546
Thinking back of it, it can be made to work when the knight and knave explain, but there's a trick to it. When I showed this riddle to my BC players, I had both location-bound pink horrors say the same words while pointing at different doors: "This door leads to doom, and this door leads forward, I always tell the truth, and (point to each other) he lies!"
They were both lying anyway to cover up the hidden third door.

>>129546
>(an example of this I can remember off-hand was Yu-Gi-Oh).
I know that one.

Here, this will explain how Yugi solved that riddle. https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/Paradox_Brothers%27_dungeon

Anyone else notice how there’s fewer suggestions every time there’s sex and afterwards, the number suggestions start increasing again? What’s up with that?

>>129598
Im not really sure why, but its something that I feel like has been there since the beginning. I kind of roll with it, but it can make it tricky to figure out a direction sometimes.

My guess is that everyone is busy waiting for the porn to be over before they can problem solve again (or put work in for more porn rewards later).

They got what they want in that moment and all they can really suggest in that period is what positions to take. The reality is that a lot of people simply agree that sandwiching is what they wanted, and don't want to keep responding with "THIS, SANDWICH TIME" except for a few people.

Then a little bit after, a majority are probably confused on what to do exactly because there isn't a goal list after the porn scene, so people need time or new updates/panels to reorganize their thoughts and in-quest goals. People aren't actually sure what to do next. Then once we're rolling the suggestions and ideas come through in order to meet those goals.

>>129610
so basically we create and solve problems actively, not look for things to solve and without problems we do little

I've noticed how the group has sex all the time with other people, but apparently not enough with each other that when they do bone they say they should do it more often.

There's implications there, man. Not negative ones, it's just a weird one. At worst it means they're almost neglecting each other over other relationships. Porn's happening all the time, but I guess they don't do it enough themselves off screen. At least they're still happy with each other and it seems healthy.

Fennel is not for lewds >:(

"Friends with benefits, where the 'benefits' include things like flight and super strength and pocket dimensions" might be a good overall summary of the quest.

Popping in to say I've caught up with Moot Point, and I'm loving it. The sex is great, and I love the not-sex even more. Actually, there's literally only one sex scene I skipped/skimmed, and it was the one after the riddle in (I think) Episode 9. And that was only because I couldn't get over how avoidable the "fumble" that led to it was; either the two guardians forgot/didn't understand how and why their own dang riddle worked, or they were outright dishonest to try and coerce a sexual favor from us: The whole point of the "correct question" is to make him give the same answer, regardless of whether he was the liar or not. They literally didn't need to remember who the liar was for this to work; it should only cause things to break down if the test-takers don't ask the right question.

Okay, rant over. I suggest we playfully call them out on it next time we meet them. Be all "you know you could have just asked" on them. :3c

This quest is much harder to read in November. The Nut is strong.

So the latest update (the festivities with the 'bolds, and Gabe's apology) got me thinking about Kol's words:

Is it possible for a medium to assume another body, just as other spirits have? And if so, what is the Circle's stance on this (at least I think that's what Kol said his order is called)?

Three Horns and company go to Moot Point and start a band called Kobold Sex Party.

Nobody realizes that the name is literal.

(Please enjoy this thought from 5 AM)

Do Phoenixes get a new soul when they rebirth, do they lose some cohesion of their mind, or are they as nigh-immortal as fae?

I hope the newly reborn phoenix is a cute little baby chick.

Dear Toxo,
Thank you so much for this lovely, fuzzy, queer quest! I just wanted to ask whether the idea of being “trans*” exists as a concept in the world of Moot Point? I ask because we’ve encountered so many wonderful characters who could be read as trans (Vivian, Cecil, Cervantes, Miki – gosh, I adore Miki – and now Cauldera). These characters have played a major role in getting me so invested in the quest, and in helping me feel seen and okay with my own identity. However, I don’t want to be doing an injustice to the characters by reading/projecting onto them as trans* if the concept itself makes no sense in Moot Point (though if the concept doesn’t exist because there’s simply no presumed connection between bodies and identities in Moot Point, that’s a nice utopia to aspire to too…)

Question: is it possible to create a 'spirit contraceptive' by actively enchanting someone's womb to prevent soul energy from entering, or does that create an empty shell?

Alternatively, other magic.

That would explain all the constant unprotected sex.

>>132399
Sorry it took me so long to see this! Thank you so much! In canon Im operating where trans identity is totally valid and an accepted part of society. I had actually considered a storyline that went into the mechanics of physically transitioning a bit, but dropped it in favor of helping miki find the missing fire ward. Essentially it boils down to using magic to change as much or as little as the person wants, but is done over a period of time and requires occasional check ups to refresh the magic and see if theyre comfortable with the progress. I had imagined it to be roughly comparable with modern methods of transitioning and that pretty much everyone in the culture knows at least someone whos trans.

Its something I thought about addressing more directly when talking about mikis childhood, but felt that Miki’s transness isnt really her story, its who she is. Her story is that she had a magical ability she couldnt control and her parents taught her a skill that helped her make friends. I wanted it to be clear that she was trans from a very young age and that the support she got let her grow into the talented and happy person she is

>>133840
Yeah, ive never really gone into it, but essentially magical contraception is a pretty common thing. its a simple charm that requires an occasional renewal and is easily removed if someone wants to get pregnant. While the main cast is obviously way more sexually active than the average citizen, the culture has a more relaxed view on casual sex than what we’re familiar with: in part because unwanted pregnancy and venereal disease is so rare.

I'm guessing that fey, elementals, and mortals can't interbreed?

Is there a missing chapter or do we actually jump from chapter 2 to 4?

>>133903
I would say that there’s some degree of interbreeding possible. Mostly between fey/elementals and fey/mortals. Though fey and elementals are so long lived, that its fairly rare for them to have kids in the first place. Cross planar children would be even rarer but still possible!

>>133997 chapter 1 and chapter 2 are both in one thread, it’s possible thats where the confusion is? The wiki has links to every thread

>>134091
Aaaaah yes indeed!
Because I was just adding the latest thread on the wiki and saw the discrepancy so I wanted to check.
If you guys are ok with it I might take a minute to fix the numbering

Can the flames from the marriage festival accidentally create a baby fire elemental?

I made Moot Point Fanart fo you! Livedenight the Furry Artist 2021/09/24(Fri)23:19 No. 136253 ID: 9026bb
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Hello im Livedenight the furry artist also known as AjayRulezzz. I make a bunch of furry art on my Instagram page for people to enjoy. Toxoglossa i just wanted to let you know how much i enjoyed reading Moot Point so much that i decided to make this sketch of Nixxy flirting with my oc, "Living Night" though i thought it be funny for this water-horse-gal to simp for this dragon-hybrid wearing his iconic mask.
I hope you enjoy this sketch I really enjoyed reading this Novel Series

Better Quality of Sketch is on Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/p/CT2us2thkgd/?utm_medium=copy_link

>>136253
yoo thank you! I think that's the first Nixxy fanart I've ever received!

Litany: I AM COMPLETE!

Viv: Waiiiit, waiiiit, waiiiit, you mothefucker, I challenge you to a rock-off!

Are we back on track for the main plot?

I'm thinking about editing the Questden page and fluffing it up a bit. Do I need to mark some characters as spoilers? What pictures should I use?

the wiki still only describes but only the first three characters, I know those two spirit bots but I cont remember from which thread

>>138564
Yeah i'll try to update it in the upcoming future if I get some free time.
Any help is appreciated though.

Just posting this so I can say I called it, if I called it, without actually calling it right now.

65a038068f400a952b187110a8bc110e0d8ce1adf39854534b92bbef1c6b4619d23329733051f3e6ecdf4869afd5e619abcc3c90665f38143e5515dd96538536 moot_point_speculation.txt

>>139998
Is that encrypted text?

>>140006

It's a sha512 hash of a file. I can't change the contents of the file without changing its hash, so if I post the correct contents after the big reveal, I will get credit as if I predicted it before!

Well um, credit as... anon, which defeats the purpose of credit, but... at least I can prove that *someone* predicted it!

Mostly I'm just messing around.

Nasterspine 2023/10/06(Fri)00:03 No. 140850 ID: 4591f8
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i like Moot Point a lot. especially how fey are represented. so i drew a guy

"Rutattezen" seems both just close enough to a name I've heard before and just far enough I can't tell if this is a reference to some historical figure or not