The only important thing about any thread is whether the participants had a good time. I had a good time and I think this was a good thread.

>>105327
>Bitched at creators
There was a text post with no accompanying characters saying (paraphrased) "You're all suddenly spooked! Be spooked now." and the complaints of a certain ass of hatness throughout. No evidence remains of people actually complaining when creators did something spooky.

>>105334
He's referring to something that happened on IRC, though I think it was overblown.

>>105321
The greatest tragedy

>>105329
ok bby I'll be sure to post a Christmas thread in January just for you mod-sama <3 <3

>>105335

If you thonk a creator being bitched at to not do the halloweeny thing that they thought would be fun to prevent them from spoiling transformation day funtimes is 'overblown' you must also logically think that all the explanations for whg this was a good halloween thread are bullshit.

Its amazing how quickly the 'it's about creators having a good time' reasoning dissipates when the creator trying to have a good time is doing so by doing something halloweeny in the halloween thread.

From looking over the IRC logs, unless I missed some key vitriolic messages, saying the event maker was bitched out seems like a way harsher term than what actually happened. All that I found was all of 1 person saying we could hold off for a little bit for the potion party to die down naturally first. Then brief mentions of rewording the prompt to make it sound less intrusive/mandatory to those who wanted to participate in the halloween thread but not that specific event. The event was deleted by the creator, who says to put it up later when seen as appropriate.

I cannot find a single person that was at all mad at the person who made the event, or any single person that was entirely against the event happening at all in any way shape or form; just the 1 person about the timing and possibly 1 or 2 others about tweaking the prompt for the above reasons.

It being transformation day wasn't so halloween themed, but it still had people dressing up and a chunk of characters from different authors interacting together. Halloween 2015 had people dressing up and a chunk of characters from different authors interacting together, except less than a quarter of the amount of posts. Previous halloweens were the same, except with also about a quarter of the posts of 2015.

In other words, this thread had a comparatively huge amount of participation, it just also had a gimmick on top of having what all the previous threads had, which I don't see how it interfered with characters dressing up in costumes and interacting.

The IRC seems to be a constant thorn in the side of this poor website...

But regardless of all that, the event is done and people generally had fun! Let's wait 26 days and hope for a fun xmas event!

>>105340
Sounds like it's a good thing I don't go there then. =P

>>105339

Every time the potion party started to die down naturally more potions were introduced. 'Don't do something that isn't this until i am done with this' is the shittiest possible mindset for a public collaborative thread. What about the people who wanted to do something spooky? They should be able to have somethibg spooky happen whenever they want and not have people whining at them to wait their turn.

'Dont do it until i say so' is the same statement as 'dont do it'

Also there really wasnt much interaction in this thread. When the potions forst showed up they were great because people would drink a potion, have something happen, and then react to things in a different context. It didnt last long though, and quickly devolved into 'drink a potion, post result, disappear or drink another potion, repeat.' there were more posts, but not really as much interaction as the post count might suggest.

>>105343
So what I'm getting out of this is that the Halloween thread, which produced over four times as much content as any previous Halloween thread, was a failure because too many people participated and literally one person said something in IRC.

Have you considered that maybe you're just an ass?

>>105344

I pray that, at some point in the future, you might finally discover the joys of literacy.

>>105344
It sounds like you've already decided you dislike the guy and you're literally refusing to consider anything he says, judging from how blatantly you misinterpreted that. Please keep this civil and give his post another try.

I had fun :(

>>105344
No I'm an ass, of hat
And can we please stop all this and go back to quest character silliness, if this keeps up we're going to need a discussion thread for the once off joke thread, I'm starting to regret ever quoting Woody Allen
Also I am no longer a ghost 'ploop'

Speaking as the guy in question, it's time to stop.
I got mad because of a mostly-unrelated thing where a person was a dick to me and I decided to vacate chat rather than explode again.
I deleted the post because some people were saying they weren't going to take part in it and a few others were saying "Nah, that's a bad idea, don't interrupt the hijinks content producer."
A grand total of maybe two people were actually rude to me, the rest of the chat just wasn't feeling it so I removed the post, which I plan to use next year instead since halloween is over and drama appears to have killed the thread now.

DYLAN GAVE ME SOME SQL TO INJECT AND THIS IS THE RESULT

I GUESS ARGUE IN HERE IF YOU WANT?

I KINDA THINK IT WAS OVER MAYBE BUT MAYBE NOT???

Basically: It's better to let the original thread end on a happier note, isn't it?

>>105351
Thanks for moving it. I still wanted to discuss it further, and having a BDA outside of the thread is preferred.

So, since it isn't shitting up the actual halloween thread, I'd like to discuss it further.

>>105343
>Every time the potion party started to die down naturally more potions were introduced.
For awhile, yes, but the halloween event in question wasn't introduced until after the first 40 potions were made anyways. There was a 41-50 potion list later, but it was immediately undermined in the next post, and I don't believe there were any potion uses that wouldn't have happened without that list.

>'Don't do something that isn't this until i am done with this' is the shittiest possible mindset for a public collaborative thread. What about the people who wanted to do something spooky?
>'Dont do it until i say so' is the same statement as 'dont do it'
I assume this is based on what I said about the 1 person saying 'maybe wait until the potion party dies down' in which case I can practically guarantee they were in fact working off the idea that the potions would die down before too long, and that they weren't snickering behind their monitor going 'joke's on them potions'll never die so no spooks will happen!'

But! Since riotmode just posted talking about how a grand total of 2 people were rude to him, it makes me think that I did miss something in irc. But from what I could glean from the logs, no one said any of this stuff, at all. If you have logs that did, then let me know.

There was mostly some basic disinterest to the idea and, again, the feeling that the post's wording made it sound like a thread takeover. I'm positive the event wasn't intended like that, but if you saw what happened on IRC as bitching riot out, and hear people who say 'maybe do it after the potion party dies down' and treat it the same as 'don't do it until I say so' which then is the same as the person saying 'don't do it', then I can guarantee, likewise, that there are other people who interpreted that event as saying 'you guys stop having your fun and start having my fun.'

Also, the IRC is frequently a drama zone - two people being rude should be taken with a grain of salt, and imo the halloween event shouldn't have been taken down completely over either that or 1 person going maybe wait, just a quick rewording from, say, 'monsters start attacking' to 'monsters are around if you wander to the wrong spot' or similar.

Hence -

>They should be able to have somethibg spooky happen whenever they want and not have people whining at them to wait their turn.
I really doubt this would have happened inside of the thread itself. If someone did do a non-intrusive spooky thing and people/someone, again in the thread, seriously whined about it being spooky and not involving potions or whatever, then it would have been deleted or not taken seriously.

>Also there really wasnt much interaction in this thread.
No, there wasn't, that's why I said 'a chunk.' Likewise, there wasn't a great deal of interaction in previous halloweens, either, through a quick skim of them. Correct me if the stats show otherwise.

Unless you meant a different sort of interaction, but I was talking about characters from different authors interacting. At that point I was only explaining that as far as I could tell, this halloween still had approximately the same ratio of interaction as the previous ones, even if it was comparatively low.

>>105351
Thanks, Slinko! Now we can have our cake and complain about it, too!

But please, don't disparage the IRC chat because it happens to play host to the occasional dramatics. That's not unique to the IRC and that does not refer to you Riot. What is unique to it, however, is a place where you can chat with your fellow questers and quest authors in real time!

>>105360
Ah... maybe you're right. There's been issues with irc in the past, but maybe it has its place here too...

>>105352

>I really doubt this would have happened inside of the thread itself.

What happened in the thread itself is that any time somebody tried to introduce something non-potion related, people just posted more 'drink potion, transform a bit (or ignore the potion because ha ha that joke doesn't get old), repeat.'

>Unless you meant a different sort of interaction, but I was talking about characters from different authors interacting. At that point I was only explaining that as far as I could tell, this halloween still had approximately the same ratio of interaction as the previous ones, even if it was comparatively low.

That's kind of exactly my point, it's why I considered the thread disappointing after the considerably more interactive beach day threads. The only reason I considered the thread a failure was the 'stop doing things I don't want in the public thread,' thing, which is a shitty thing to say to people even if you AREN'T rude about it. Either way you're taking something that's supposed to be fun for people and saying 'hey, could you please not have fun here since it's not the kind of fun I want to have?'

There were a number of people who were fed up with potion day but they just sort of stopped posting instead of telling people 'hey could you stop?' And when somebody decided to post an event anyway they were immediately asked not to do that.

The difference here, the reason I am annoyed by potion day, is that. Nobody told the potion guys that they were having the wrong kind of fun in the fun public thread. Potion guys did do that, no matter how softly they worded it. And that (plus the lack of anything the thread was billed for) is what made the thread a failure for me.

>>105365
>Nobody told the potion guys that they were having the wrong kind of fun in the fun public thread.

>>104938
>>104943
>>105309

???

>>105366
The Ass of Hat is a notorious shitposter, and the guy going "What has this become?" doesn't seem overly critical to me.

>>105366

If you can't understand the difference between criticizing a thread after a 'the end' was posted and telling people not to post things in the thread, there's no hope for you.

>>105367
For what it's worth, "what has this become" guy was saying it in response to a tiger-man dressed as Mettaton challenging a slime girl to a fabulous pose-off. I would've reacted the same way if I hadn't been the one who made the post.

>>105367
Which doesn't discount his complaints against potion use.
>>105368
This discounts exactly one of those posts. Congrats. You win Halloween.

>>105370
Look, for what it's worth, I barely used the potions at all, and the one time I introduced effects I destroyed them completely in the next post I made. I just don't think we need to raise a huge fuss. Contributers are doing this for fun, and aren't obligated to just do what you want.

wheredidthisthreadcomefromIwasjokeingohgod

>>105366

One of those posts was not a complaint.
One of those posts is not telling anyone not to post things in the thread, but is in fact acting for more things to be added to the thread.
The one post that is a complaint about things in the thread in any way at all was after 'the end'

This goes beyond praying for literacy, you clearly have some manner of disorder at this point.


>>105372

Look, some people can't tell when an obvious joking tone is being used. It's not their fault. pray for them.

>>105372
You were, it should have been clear when you started talking about how the turnout and food was awful. Either directly or indirectly though, it brought out discussion from people were were legitimately and unjokingly disgruntled.

>>105365
>What happened in the thread itself is that any time somebody tried to introduce something non-potion related, people just posted more 'drink potion, transform a bit (or ignore the potion because ha ha that joke doesn't get old), repeat.'
That's fair, but I hope that's a cause of disappointment for those who were tired of potions and wanted the spooks. I'm not looking at every example, but in general that was just creators having more interest in potions; not them trying to actively shun and do away with non-potion things.

And if there was a person who two who really outright said and meant 'don't do this event' then they should have been treated as an outliers, because that's what they were.

>Exact point
If you compare it to beach day or other highly interactive threads, and were hoping that this halloween would be on that same level rather than previous halloweens, then yes one could be disappointed.

>Plus the lack of anything the thread was billed for)
But after 5 or so halloweens of questionable participation and interactiveness, I might just argue that perhaps expectations were high, and that event threads aren't really billed for a whole lot besides the topic and most of all to have fun - with that said, it is true that it was incredibly potion heavy and moreso the focus than costumes and halloween, so even if it had more halloween in total than other threads, I can see how the potion focus would disappoint the people who were actively disinterested in it. A handful of people disappointed in a thread while most others had a great time is neither baffling nor uncommon.

Everything said, though,
>Failure for me.
This does make it sound a lot more reasonable, as prior to this, your wording made it sound like you were declaring the thread a failure on a more general and factual basis. If you do consider it just a failure for yourself personally (and obviously others who feel the same way) then that's more fair, even if I do think that it's based on either putting way too much weight on a couple of outliers and/or interpreting people's actions as being a lot more malicious than they actually were.

>Potion guys did say they were having the wrong kind of fun, no matter how softly they worded it.
I have a feeling that they came off poorly to you, since as far as I can tell that was never their intention. Either they didn't like the idea or just thought it could be done better - more to the point, at the very worst I believe it was 'gee I don't mind a new event but I've got zero interest in this new event', not 'what these aren't potions, get outta here.'

i personally had fun reading the thread and making my tiny little TCP post, although it was a bit hard to get into the thread after everyone else had started- though that may just be me being an anxious fuck

For what its worth, if I had the time and energy to do something spooky in the halloween thread (moreso than what I actually did), and some jackass told me not to, I would have ignored him and done it anyway.

One last thing before I attempt to forget about this.
I had no problem with the potions, maybe the thread would have gone in a different direction without them or maybe the thread would have been boring without them I cant say, but my only real gripe was that the potions got too nonsensical, turning into a demon or ghost or having a shadow clone or second head would be fine but stuff like "draw your character with your other hand" and "can only speak in Haiku" just doesn't fit the theme of Halloween.
That shit goes better with Saint Patrick's day.

>>105374
Here we see the the classic 'resorting to ad hominem attacks once you run out of salient points' maneuver.

One can be taken as a complaint in context, implying that the current state of the thread is undesirable.
Another post is one in a series of posts expressing an opinion, the first of which is linked in said post.
The third is part of that same line of complaints, presented throughout the thread as genuine with a lame "its just a prank bro" tacked on after it had caused a stir.
The complaints I linked to exist. The complaints against spookiness, don't. You're accusing people of attacks they did not make, as shown in the thread itself.
Saying it didn't live up to your expectations? That's fine. You made one of the first examples of both hauntings and potions, and only one of those avenues was really explored by other authors.
Saying the thread was dragged down by shitters shouting authors down? That's just wrong to accuse it of.

This year had the worst Halloween yet. There were posts, but the content was shit even from the authora generally trusted to make quality content. There was no interaction between characters save for a few token instances, and thw entire thing just read like a transformation fetish day. The second one person tried to make it spooky, everyone jumped down his throat because it wasn't in line with the prevailing fetish fuel.

I expected better from the authors who participated this year, and I'm saddened that thread has to sit in /questdis/ forever.

>>105393
This. If I had to pin the lack of quality on one thing, the potion ideas for the second round were retarded and derailed the thread.

OK, because people are still getting mad about people having the wrong sort of fun, I have opinions and I am going to talk about them.

If you don't like the content in a collaborative thread, it's up to you to try and make better content. Present alternatives! Don't just say a thing is bad and you should feel bad. Any element is completely optional for other people to do something with, so if people like it they'll use it.

If you think there's not enough interaction introduce something to interact about or even just say you'd like someone to interact with X character. This isn't rocket science!

TGchan X Day checklist:
Low participation? Check.
Loose premise? Check.
Thread derailment? Check.
Unrelated content? Check.
Unfunny? Uninteresting? Check.

I get that there are some people who like Coxwette, too. That is totally fine, but for the sake of those of us who don't, can we not have every X Day thread consist of half Coxwette crap?

The first set of potions were a good effort at making the thread move, but every one after that just felt like derailment that wasn't funny and made the thread fucking embarrassing.

I mean. You all sound like whiny asses to be honest. These kind of days are nothing more than an excuse for quest authors to draw dumb non canon things and have fun. There is no need for actual plot. This is not a quest. This is npt for suggesters. threads like this cannot have a fix plot or coherent storytelling for simple reasons. Multiple authors working together is hard and planning shit among 6+ authors is litterally impossible due to ideas and ability to update. The thread was fun for who partecipated? Good! You, that just wanted a fixed coherent plot? Well there is /quest for that.

1) Any drama regarding the Halloween thread is being exclusively manufactured by some of you right here.

2) Externally injecting suggestions or ideas is not compliant with good etiquette. As increasingly me-too-y the potions got after the first round they were still presented in character, as opposed to a separately prompted "event".

3) Coxwette had no dominance of the thread. In fact, compared to the number of characters of roughly equal importance in the quest, and what other authors posted, it is slightly underrepresented.

5) The low quantities of lewdness in the thread literally violates my human rights.

>>105405
Between Halloween, Beach Day, and Ass Day, there was a little too much stuff from one quest. It would appreciated if that could be toned down for future ones.

This is less about the quest itself and more about minimizing the opportunity for one quester to dictate the direction of what is supposed to be a collaborative thread. They tend to fuck things up when they do, Not naming names.

>>105409
>I would appreciate if that could be toned down for future ones.

ftfy

As someone who's both seen and complained about a single quest dominating a group thread,
I cannot see that problem in Halloween day thread, some authors will undoubtedly be more exited to participate in these kind of threads, and/or have more free time to do so. it's inevitable some wil have a couple more than others
A lot of quest were well represented I feel

I actually rather dislike transformation stuff, but I was simply glad to see the participation in Halloween day this year, that people were having fun within the community, especially considering how dead halloween threads have been in the past.
ultimately I really enjoyed reading the thread.

>some authors will undoubtedly be more exited to participate in these kind of threads, and/or have more free time to do so

This is true. We got a lot of Coxwette posts because RML is an art machine. The same could be said about Lagotrope, who I think got more posts in than anybody. At least in the Halloween thread.

Dictating how much one author can participate seems unfair. It's counter-productive to complain about more content, even if it's content you're not particularly a fan of. There would be more diversity if more artists put out the same amount of work, but not all of us can. Sorry.

>>105413
>some authors undoubtedly have no life
ftfy

(This user has been banned for their posts. Make valid criticisms/Don't be an asshole. Offenses: 6. Ban length: Day.)

>The second one person tried to make it spooky, everyone jumped down his throat because it wasn't in line with the prevailing fetish fuel.
Literally no one did this. The only people who came anywhere close to jumping down a throat did so because they didn't like the spooky event, not because the spooky event wasn't potions.

And if there was someone who did, it's still wrong to then say 'everyone'.

>This year had the worst Halloween yet.
2012 had 3 images on it. This is either more extreme hyperbole, or you would prefer that 2016 just didn't have a halloween thread at all, instead of the halloween that happened, regardless of how many other people enjoyed it.

>>105394

>trying to call somebody out for 'not having salient points'
>after making the previous post
>and this one

fucking lol

>Make valid criticisms/Don't be an asshole. Offenses: 6.
>fucking lol

heeeeeeey you have to pick one, guys! Or... is the limit 5???

I think it was wrong of those people to hold guns to the artist's heads and force them to draw potion stuff instead of Halloween stuff.

>>105401
>I get that there are some people who like Coxwette, too.

lol "some people." You are the first person I ever heard of who disliked Coxwette. It's easily one of the best quests that's ever been on TGchan.

If you don't like it hey, whatever, but you start saying stuff like this:

>coxwette crap

And I say screw you, buddy. Sorry about your bad taste.