Lizbeth 2012/12/03(Mon)07:44 No. 476266 ID: b3ca75
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Pixel adventure have crashed!

>buy and install the modern remake of pixel adventure and whine about it being too different from the original.
The remake was never released outside of [insert country/planet/universe here] and never translated to [insert language/religion/bird here]. There is a fan translation but it only work on pirated software [insert Avast/me/hearties! here] and thus highly illegal which is punishable by having your [planet/body part/verb] being the victim of orbital [bombardment/glassification/butterfly] by the United Corps of the Universe without a trial. The fan translation also sucks balls.
>reload your save from just before Graven died.
All your saves before Etched’s death have been corrupted. Kevlos says he’s sorry to Lisa that he can’t help.

Restarting game…

Lizbeth 2012/12/03(Mon)07:44 No. 476267 ID: b3ca75
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>Load to see how much data was lost.
Loading last auto save…

You awaken by yourself, standing in a dark room. The pungent stench of mildew emanates from the wet dungeon walls. You wish that you knew how to cast magic missile so you should attack the evil darkness that surrounds you.

A powerful headache is the evidence that you either drank too much alcohol yesterday or played chicken race whit a solid wall. You have either way no recollection where you are or how you got here. Or any other memory of whom you are for that matter. You probably suffer from laser guided amnesia.

In the small room you see.
- An old rotten door that is obviously locked for some weird reason.
- An old rusty hatchet
- A few empty kegs
- Two bottles of unknown substance.
- A wall of text that’s hopefully will disappear now that we have begun.

Insert Comm- you got to be kidding me..._

Utilize a save hacking utility to put yourself back to where you were just before Graven died. Resist temptation to give yourself anything extra to make things easier, well maybe a few thousand experience wouldn't hurt.

...open the options, set message text and battle speed as fast as they can go, set cinematics to skip, and then replay everything identically up to the point where we had Kevros frozen, exactly the way we did before.

If the game uses the text parser, you can actually just copy-paste in every command we every made in the old threads all at once, and then walk away as the game plays itself from buffer. I mean, it works in nethack, right?

Save data, in a new file each time, every ten minutes of play or so.

Or, alternatively, rage quit and go play Civ or something.

Lizbeth 2012/12/03(Mon)09:16 No. 476274 ID: b3ca75
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>rage quit and go play Civ or something.
If this game crashes one more time…

I cast magic missile!
I already told you, you can’t cast magic missile!
But I want to attack the darkness.
Whatever. There’s a desert lizard in front of you.
Whoa!
That’s me, right?
He’s wearing a black cape and he has blue eyes.
No I don’t, I have grey eyes.
Let me see that sheet.
Well, it says I have blue but I decided I wanted grey eyes!
Whatever! Okay, you guys can talk to each other now if you want.
…
Hel-
I stab Lisa in the stomach. “die roll” Critical hit!

Etched attacks Lisa for 4 damage!
Lisa have been slain!

Lizbeth 2012/12/03(Mon)09:16 No. 476275 ID: b3ca75
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What the hell, Sonya!
First blood goes to Sonya!
I cast lay on hands on Lisa.
Kevlos is still by that tree that the old lady’s cat was stuck in.
Oh, yeah…
…where she somehow manage to not only lit the tree on fire, but the cat and the old lady too…
Gee, sorry for some bad die rolls…
um… weren’t we supposed to be doing something right now?

Insert Cheetos_

So... we're back in the present? And you guys decided to kill some time roleplaying?

...I'm going to rule wizard here and say that roleplaying is basically the same as sleeping. You don't move much, your adventure is basically a dream, and what happens in game / in dream is sort of random and doesn't make a lot of sense.

Therefore, we slept, and we should get our level up.

>>476275
Maggy was playing as a Lizbeth stand-in?
What was Graven playing as?

... Oh, come on. He's a head voice at the moment. He can totally play this if somebody does his die rolling for him.

Lizbeth 2012/12/03(Mon)12:31 No. 476308 ID: b3ca75
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>I'm going to rule wizard here and say that roleplaying is basically the same as sleeping.
Well, the brain activity is about the same…
>we should get our level up.
We already did, remember? Last thread? In the end?
>What was Graven playing as?
Let’s see… Maggy was a wizard, Kevy a female Kevy, Olof a druid, Sonya a sorcerer, Helga a cleric, Hans a barbarian and Graven was a stupid sexy female rogue… speaking of Graven…

Hey, Graven, when is that flying city thing going to breach the surface.
He says in about 10 minutes.
Well then, let’s start planning how we are supposed to get onboard. I think I was able to connect to a teleported inside it.
So… teleport the explosive we got there and then ourselves?
The explosion would probably ruin the teleporter. If you really want a bang then let’s drop the Wizard academy on it. That will surly leave a crater.
Or we should just walk there? I mean, it isn’t really moving that fast and I’m sure it got a lot of access ways on its side…
Here’s the Cheetos.
And mountain dew, ja? Oh, and darlings? How about we send the explosions with the teleporter, then drop the wizard academy and as a finale jump down the resulting crater mission impossible style? That would be fabulous, ja?

Hmm, what to do, what to do?
Insert need more Michael bay_

>>476308
I never thought I'd say this, but I like Hans's plan.

Speaking of Hans... I'm curious. What happened to make you so homicidal, Hans?

>>we should get our level up.
>We already did, remember? Last thread? In the end?
...whoops. Forgot that. Wiki updated. We were two levels and one familiar out of date!

What's so great about a true illusion, anyways? How's it different than a solid or permanent one?

>I never thought I'd say this, but I like Hans's plan.
I have to agree. That is fabulous.

>>476308
There isn't anybody in there were actually care about saving, right?
The only problem I can see is if there's stuff in here that would be useful for resurrecting Graven or something.

Ja.

Lizbeth 2012/12/03(Mon)14:21 No. 476332 ID: b3ca75
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>Wiki updated.
Creator +5 happiness!
>What happened to make you so homicidal, Hans?
Oh, you know, It was a fabulous day with all the screaming and the burning and the little children... the delicious little children…
(I still got those papers about his life if you’re really curios…)
>What's so great about a true illusion, anyways?
Let’s see… according to the walkthrough I’m reading then true illusion creates “An illusion so powerful that it warps reality until dispelled”.

>Ja.
Lizbeth casts Michael bay!
Massive destruction bonus! +100gold!
Olof blocks the Laws of nature!

…woop…

Lizbeth 2012/12/03(Mon)14:22 No. 476333 ID: b3ca75
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-Off!
The defiler has come!
Death to the defiler!
Why didn’t you leave us alone?
You’re ruining everything!
Death to Lizbeth and her cronies!
Off with her head!
Anyone wanna get a coffee later?

Um… this was kind off a bad landing, wasn’t it?

4.253.421 lizbeths has been slain!

Insert All hail Lizbeth, the kings of kings!_

Well, at least you wore sunglasses, so you can be distinguished from your duplicates.

...why is this place filled with millions of Lizbeth clones?

>>476333
TIMESTOP. (Stop sphere) Looks like we gotta kill a lot of 'you', Liz. Lay into 'em. Utilize illusions and sphere-haste to protect and buff the party. Also consider marking yourself for easy identification.

See if you can capture one and interrogate it to find out why there are so many of you in here. Be sure to delve into its mind via golemancy. We can use Rewind if something terrible happens. Hey, is there anything preventing you from just casting Rewind repeatedly to get multiple 10-second reversals? Could we, like, rewind hours that way?

>wiki updated
>will of the pig
Wait, why didn't that block Clown's mind control? She shouldn't have been able to do anything to you during that confrontation and attempted timeloop...

On the other hand, what's with that one brightly lit Lizbeth out in the corner? Could this army of Liz be all made of illusions?

>Wait, why didn't that block Clown's mind control?
Because we were too dumb to remember we had that ability and rule lawyer it into blocking the clown. Basically, the clown said we were mind controlled, and instead of resisting, we let her.

Players unfortunately have to be there own advocate- if the DM forgets to apply a rule when he or she should, and you don't catch them, it's your own fault.

It's like that evil rule in monopoly that where you technically only have to pay rent if the owner of a property actually remembers to ask for it in time. People will hate you if you pull that trick, but it's perfectly legal.

>>476333
"You're all fake Lizbeths. If you were real Lizbeths then you'd be off having a giant self-cestuous orgy right now instead of being angry and clothed!
I mean, I'm not even feeling a simmering undercurrent of lust from you! That's pathetic!
You're not even distracted by Kevvy being all... tied... up..."
Then become distracted by Bondage Kevros.

Lizbeth 2012/12/04(Tue)08:32 No. 476484 ID: b3ca75
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>Wait, why didn't that block Clown's mind control?
Because she controlled my body, not my mind. Thought I should probably have rule lawyered it…
>what's with that one brightly lit Lizbeth out in the corner?
Um… there’s no one in the corner?
>Could this army of Liz be all made of illusions?
Well, I do feel a lot of illusion magic around, thought I don’t know if it’s them or just their appearances.
>Hey, is there anything preventing you from just casting Rewind repeatedly to get multiple 10-second reversals?
I can only cast it every eleventh second.

>TIMESTOP. (Stop sphere)
Lizbeth Prime cast Time St-
82 Lizbeths cast counter spell and fails!
18 Lizbeths cast counter spell and succeed!
Lizbeth Primes spell have been countered!

You're all fake Lizbeths. If you were real Lizbeths then you'd be off having a giant orgy right now instead of being angry and clothed! I mean, I'm not even feeling a simmering undercurrent of lust from you! That's pathetic! You're not even distracted by Kevy being all... tied... up...
>become distracted by Bondage Kevros.
Lizbeth Prime is Mesmerized by Kevros bum!
97 Lizbeths are Mesmerized by Kevros bum!

Sisters, if we kill the original, then we can all have Kevros for ourselves!
YAY! Let the orgy begin!
So… nobody wants to get coffee then?
99 Lizbeths is about to cast Magic Missile!
1 Lizbeth is still Mesmerized!

Insert bums, bums and hobos!_

Rule laywer! Lizbeth doesn't know counter spell! Therefor the duplicates shouldn't either. The stop sphere should have worked.

If that doesn't work, force a screen transition from overworld to battle mode. Then you'll only be facing 9 enemy Lizbeths at once due to the screen size constraints. Much better odds. You just have to bear the tedium of 11 consecutive identical fights. Of course, if you can't handle repetitive battles, what are you doing playing an rpg?

>>476484
I think maybe this is a good time to Rewind and try something different.

Or just Disbelieve the illusions.

Besides, if they cast Magic Missile they would damage Kev.

Lizbeth 2012/12/04(Tue)13:09 No. 476510 ID: b3ca75
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>Rule laywer! Lizbeth doesn't know counter spell! Therefor the duplicates shouldn't either. The stop sphere should have worked.
Didn’t you know you can use any spell of the same level as a counter spell? Didn’t you read the manual? Besides, we’re computer controlled and can cheat.
There was a manual?
>Disbelieve the illusions.
Unable to disbelieve True illusions! Need solid proof!
>force a screen transition from overworld to battle mode
Cue Battle Music!
Swoooosh!

Lizbeth, Kevros, Maggy and Sonya joined the battle!
100 Lizbeths joined the battle!
um… isn’t 9 creatures the limit?
We counts as one creature, also fuck you!

>Besides, if they cast Magic Missile they would damage Kev.
…
Can’t we just aim it at Lizbeth Prime?
But he’ll probably jump in the way! He’s stupid like that… and cute…
100 Lizbeths are arguing and are distracted!

Insert Evidence to the contrary_

>Disbelieve the illusions.
>Unable to disbelieve True illusions! Need solid proof!
Rules lawyer: the spell just provided its own evidence that this is a True Illusion!

>>476510
If we need solid evidence, well, there's always the fact that there was only ever one of you so the only clones should be dead ones from the surface.

Also, we can't [switch to one of those Lizbeths]

Quick, the elusive Waldobeth has appeared, I think it's supposed to drop some kind of unique item if you slay it. Though I can't remember if it's some kind of powerful artifact or some useless item that simply proves you killed one. Also since they're one creature they should only get one attack per turn and share they're HP value, there is an HP cap on bosses.

>>476546
If they're one unit, it also means they don't get 100 separate attacks- it's going to be weaker fake stacked together attacks, 1000 needles kinds of things.

...it also makes them easier to vanish-doom.

Lizbeth 2012/12/06(Thu)10:03 No. 476816 ID: b3ca75
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>Rules lawyer: the spell just provided its own evidence that this is a True Illusion!
>If we need solid evidence, well, there's always the fact that there was only ever one of you so the only clones should be dead ones from the surface.
-and that, without a doubt, proves that the defender never existed.
Objection!
Over ruled!

>...it also makes them easier to vanish-doom.
Lizbeth Prime disbelieves the Illusion!
100 Lizbeths ceases to be!
3 Zombie Lizbeths joins the battle!
1 Waldobeth joins the battle!

…that counts like a vanish doom, right… kind of?
What are we waiting for? Attack!
It isn’t our turn yet…
Son of a Kevros!

Insert weeee_

>It isn’t our turn yet…
That's right! Talking is a free action, and we've got loads of action left to waste.

So... Waldobeth. You apparently aren't an illusion, and you look too intact too be a zombie. What are you, and why are you trying to stop us here?

>>476816
Okay something weird is definitely happening... It looks like there are multiple copies of you outside reality, messing with things.

Let's get this over with quick, please. All-out offensive. Cast sphere of haste on your party, everyone else just let loose.

>>476816
Revive kills zombie.

Lizbeth 2012/12/06(Thu)15:21 No. 476859 ID: b3ca75
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>Cast sphere of haste on your party.
>Revive kills zombie.
Sonya changes place with Hans!
Zombies? How unfabulous boring, ja? They don’t even bleed, darling.
Lizbeth cast mass haste!
Hans cast mass Curaga on Zombie Lizbeths!
3 Zombie lizbeths has been…um… slain? Killed again? Raised from undead to dead? Either way, they are goners or whatever!

>So... Waldobeth. You apparently aren't an illusion, and you look too intact too be a zombie. What are you, and why are you trying to stop us here?
[Waldobeth is a non-sentient random encounter and is simple designed to be grinded for loot by selfish heroes. What a waste of Lizard life… and to think she has three kids back home waiting for her, never realizing that they never will see their beloved mother ev-]
I’m sorry, but I kind of lost my concentration when you mentioned loot. What kind of loot?
Waldobeth cast guilt!
It’s not very effective!

>It looks like there are multiple copies of you outside reality, messing with things.
What are you talking about? What do you mean, Outside rea- OW! Son of a-
Lizbeth attacks Lizbeths avatar for 3 damage!
um… what?

Insert thinking outside the picture_

>>476859
Try casting magic missile past Waldobeth, outside the battle arena.

Or try adding a fifth party member, because they would show up outside the frame, where the other lizbeths are.

Or try to see if you can change your own appearance so you aren't using the same avatar as before.

...uh you guys grind the pink puff there, we'll try and deal with the extra-dimensional threat.

[Switch to Lizbeth Avatar]

>>476859
Rules lawyer: Lizbeth's avatar no longer accurately reflects Lizbeth's appearance. Thus, it is no longer really her avatar, and damaging it should not affect Lizbeth.

Quick! Make a funny face and say something so you get a different avatar!

Lizbeth 2012/12/06(Thu)17:55 No. 476880 ID: b3ca75
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>try adding a fifth party member.
Warning! Can only support four player characters inside battle mode. Introducing a fifth might crash the game!
>Try casting magic missile past Waldobeth, outside the battle arena.
Lizbeth attacks the border of the picture for 0 damage!
Waldobeth has run away!
Crud!

>Quick! Make a funny face and say something so you get a different avatar!
>Rules lawyer: Lizbeth's avatar no longer accurately reflects Lizbeth's appearance. Thus, it is no longer really her avatar, and damaging it should not affect Lizbeth.
Why use a funny face when I have illusions! They’ll never recognize me in these suckers!
She changed avatar! Attack it instead!
But which is hers?
Yeah, they all look the same…
I think it’s the one bellow the avatar of the strangely attractive human male with the bushy eyebrows… maybe…
Lizbeth Prime cast Groucho Glasses on self!
5 Lizbeths are Confused!

Insert brothers_

>>476880
Hmm... Why is battle mode not over yet?

[disbelieve the Lizbeth illusions]

>>476880
Rules Lawyer: Lizbeth isn't using that avatar anymore, but the imitation Lizbeths are. Clearly they hurt themselves in their confusion instead!

Lizbeth 2012/12/08(Sat)11:08 No. 477239 ID: b3ca75
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>[disbelieve the Lizbeth illusions]
Unable to disbelieve! There is no illusions to disbelieve!
>Rules Lawyer: Lizbeth isn't using that avatar anymore, but the imitation Lizbeths are. Clearly they hurt themselves in their confusion instead!
5 Lizbeths takes 4 damage!
OW! Son of Kretos!
THAT’S IT! Destroy all the avatars, we are bound to kill her sooner or later!
But what about Kellogg’s?
We already have hundredths of Kevlos! Sacrificing on for her death is worth it!
Yeah! The many before the one! FOR KKKKKKKKKK!
¤ Lizb#ths are char#ing “#411& Error!
Um… is that bad?

Insert Malfunction!_

...quick, run the derangementer! Scan the disc for errors! The dang game is gonna corrupt and crash itself again!

Jesus Christ, who coded this game?

The not-Lizbeths are on the battlefield, so they can be attacked now! Quick, Kev, shake your booty in their direction to stun them. Liz, create illusionary duplicates of Kev shaking his booty to multiply the effect. Then everyone attack while they're stunned.

...Wait. ...Is that Graven in there, or just a not-Lizbeth with a corrupted image? Almost certainly the latter, but better safe than sorry. Everyone, don't attack the one that looks like Graven for now.

reboot computer

Lizbeth 2012/12/08(Sat)13:04 No. 477265 ID: b3ca75
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>...quick, run the derangementer! Scan the disc for errors!
ERRORERRORERRORERRORTHEREERRORISERRORNOERRPRESCAPEERRORRUNRUNRUNRUNRUN!
>Is that Graven in there, or just a not-Lizbeth with a corrupted image?
As it just changed sprite I’m going to guess corrupted image.

>The not-Lizbeths are on the battlefield, so they can be attacked now! Quick, Kev, shake your booty in their direction to stun them.
This is so degrading…
gasgjga gasjgnsi agsjujeha!
>Liz, create illusionary duplicates of Kev shaking his booty to multiply the effect.
NOWHERETORUNNOWHERETOHIDERUN!

>Then everyone attack while they're stunned.
ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR
ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR
ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR
ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR

What the fu-
>reboot computer
UNABLE TO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERROR!

Insert finger glitching good!_

>>477265
RUN!

...oh gods, it's a giant even missingno Lizbeth boss leading an army of glitched Lizes to kill us.

Good news is, now that the glitch has a corporeal form, now it can be killed. Bad news? It probably has absurd stats, and is probably using the biggest integer allowed for hp.

>>477269
Rules lawyer: Heal adds to HP. If its HP is max then healing it will make its HP wrap around into the negatives.

Lizbeth 2012/12/08(Sat)14:17 No. 477288 ID: b3ca75
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>RUN!
WERE?
>Bad news? It probably has absurd stats, and is probably using the biggest integer allowed for hp.
Oh gods, how do you kill something like that?
By healing it, ja?
…what?
>Rules lawyer: Heal adds to HP. If its HP is max then healing it will make its HP wrap around into the negatives.
Hans heals ?”#(“! For -99999999999999999999999999999999999 damage!
:Error: SCREEE!
?”#(“! Has been slain!
You Gain:
ERROR!
ERROR!
ERROR!

Lizbeth 2012/12/08(Sat)14:17 No. 477289 ID: b3ca75
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Yay, it worked! And we didn’t even have to resort to panca- wait, where are we?
Salutations.
This is not at all the place we were before we got into combat…

Insert insert insert insert_

Are you sure? Maybe it WAS. We didn't try to disbelieve the environment.

Say hi to Jacob. Ask him what he's trying to do here exactly. All the other sins are dead, isn't that all he wanted? Also tell Sonya to stay out of the fight if one happens since she'll get beheaded by Jacob if she fights him. If Jacob casts Stop, counterspell it.

Also Liz, if it comes to it, you can destroy Oracle fairly easily to make the castle stop flying. Speaking of Oracle, what the hell is that icon of Clown's face doing in that monitor?

>Salutations
'Sup.

So... what's going on now? We kind of stopped paying attention to the plot, and I'm sure it matters anyways, with the game coming apart at the seams.

Lizbeth 2012/12/08(Sat)17:04 No. 477336 ID: b3ca75
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>tell Sonya to stay out of the fight if one happens since she'll get beheaded by Jacob if she fights him.
…do you really doubt my abilities that much?
I saw it in a dream, okay.
…right…
>Also Liz, if it comes to it, you can destroy Oracle fairly easily to make the castle stop flying.
Wouldn’t the city crashing also kill us?
>What the hell is that icon of Clown's face doing in that monitor?
What? Where? If that bitch show herself again I swear…

>Say hi to Jacob.
'Sup, Jacob.
Jacob? …you don’t have the faintest idea who I am, do you?
>Ask him what he's trying to do here exactly.
Trying to stop you from making a mistake.
>All the other sins are dead, isn't that all he wanted?
That’s the opposite of what I wanted!
But you said-
I didn’t say anything. We have never met before. The Ira you know of was Virtue, or oracle as you like to call him, running around in spare body.
>the game coming apart at the seams.
You can blame Mr. Oracle for that. It’s somehow necessary for whatever he’s trying to do.
>So... what's going on now?
The end of the world as we know it and a decision that will change what will come next. So, please, you and your friends should leave and sit this one out, you’ve already caused enough trouble.

Insert …_

>>477336
Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on this. We KNOW that the windows into the past were really windows into the past, because by influencing them we changed the future. He just contradicted like half of them with what he just said. Besides, if he's not Jacob, where's Wrath?

This guy could be the same asshole that messed with you in your dream to teach you those three lessons. He's going off of that weird theory we had that Jacob was Virtue, because we accused him of it back then. Come to think of it... his avatar is "mrw", and Mr. White is the same guy from your dreams.

Hack his brain. See what he's thinking, and see if you can pull up a golemancy report. While you're at it, see if you can golemancy the oracle machine behind him. If my theory is correct, I think what you want to do is kill this guy, because he's likely Virtue/Sloth. If we engage in combat, then I'd like to note that all the previous Sins we fought had specific magic styles. Envy used Golemancy, Lust used Biomancy, Wrath used Time Magic, Pride used Arcane magic (telekinesis). Sloth here is obviously using lots of Illusion magic, and I'd like to note that you can probably make invalid objects via True Illusion to glitch up the game, and that's what he's doing.

>Trying to stop you from making a mistake.
>So, please, you and your friends should leave and sit this one out, you’ve already caused enough trouble.
If we're fucking anything up, it's out of ignorance. If you want us to go along with you, it would really help if you just came clear and explained everything. Because without all the info, we're going to continue doing what adventures do, which is muddle round and keep breaking things till we either get answers or somehow fix things.

So tell us, latest plot device man: why should we believe your version of events?

>>477336
Liz: You were 'born' after this entire mess got started, so you probably haven't met this Jacob before.
Tell him he has met us before, however, and the proof of that is that our actions in the past changed the future.

Jacob! Just explain everything already!

>>477410
He said he's not Jacob though. Besides, it's been over 4000 years, there's no way this guy is the same guy we spoke to via those experiments.

Lizbeth 2012/12/09(Sun)10:21 No. 477470 ID: b3ca75
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>why should we believe your version of events?
Because otherwise bad things will happen…
>Just explain everything already!
There isn’t really much to know. The “Oracle” is going haywire and is trying to destroy the world so can achieve some kind of utopia. You’ve already given it a lot of the necessary energy to unravel the game itself by killing of the sins and activating their focus crystals. The only thing left for it to do is to wait for us to kill each other so it gets the energies from the last crystals, then “poof” goes the world.
>He's going off of that weird theory we had that Jacob was Virtue.
Well, a part of me is virtue, my body to be precise. My mind on the other hand is something completely different. Please, call me my original given name, Lizbeth Ssus.
…………………………………………….whaaaaaaaat? That’s… that’s just ridicules…
And I do believe you have something that belongs to me, virtue. Give back my body and I’ll give back yours...
….fuck this game… so hard…fuck!

>Hack his brain.
Connecting to target “Lizbeth”…
Connection unsuccessful…
Crud!
>see if you can golemancy the oracle machine behind him.
Connecting to target “Virtue(2)”…
Connection ERRORERRORERROR!
[You have lost contact with Lizbeth]
BLght!
Lizbeth is having a Fit!
See, I told you that you should have left when you had the chance…

Insert ghtjs_

>>477470
2spooky4me

Okay, golden rule of adventuring: when someone shows up and says a confusing bunch of gibberish, claims to be you, and rants about how they're really saving the world... just kill them. They're obviously a boss- let the plot sort the rest out on it's own.

>….fuck this game… so hard…fuck!
That's it. Ragequit and go play civ. We don't need put up with this nonsense if we don't want to.

>>477470
Somebody snap Liz out of it, please. I don't know if a cure spell would work or a slap.

Looks like I was right about Liz=Virtue. We HAVE met this asshole before, though. He/she tried to steal your body back when the three other lizards were in your head.

Also, we kindof had no choice in killing the sins as they were all trying to kill us! Except for Davros, who got killed by Clown in the end, and Gluttony who also was killed by Clown. We almost kept Ridcully alive but he just couldn't stop himself. What the hell happened to Wrath? Where is Jacob?

Guys, just destroy the Oracle. If we do that, the world stays undestroyed. Then if we turn the last two focus crystals from input to output, we can return to the surface. People could start farming again, and make real food and mechanical energy instead of relying on the souls of "criminals" and babies to power their shit. I mean, people were driven down here because all the nuclear warheads detonated. It's been long enough that the radiation has cooked off, so the surface should be inhabitable again. All we need to do is turn off the magic void.

Well, we should at least ask... Roboliz what would happen if we destroyed Oracle before it's finished charging. If it, say, detonates in a huge goddamn explosion due to the released magical energy... maybe we shouldn't do that after all. We would want to siphon off the energy somehow or just deactivate Oracle safely. Graven, do you know enough about precursor tech to find the off switch on that thing?

Just for the sake of asking, ask Roboliz if she would accept a modified body to avoid confusion, while our Liz could make a copy of the original's appearance.

>>477502
This about sums it up. Hopefully Hans has another boot (which he should, as boots come in pairs).

Lizbeth 2012/12/12(Wed)09:33 No. 478116 ID: b3ca75
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>That's it. Ragequit and go play civ.
Don’t tempt me.
>Somebody snap Liz out of it, please. Hopefully Hans has another boot (which he should, as boots come in pairs).
I’m sorry, darling, but I did only inherit one boot from my old man, the other was given to my over emotional brother Hank and his wimpy wife Helen. Thought I did get a life time supply of fabulous ice cream, ja?
Ice cream? What flavor?
PAIN!
Hans slaps Lizbeth for PAIN damage!
OW!

>ask Roboliz if she would accept a modified body to avoid confusion.
The body is not important right know. If you don’t want to give it away then that’s the end of that.
>what would happen if we destroyed Oracle before it's finished charging.
Last time someone tried to destroy it then it only had a tenth of the power it have now, and that resulted with the whole surface scorched and rendered uninhabitable. Just think want would happen now.
>We would want to siphon off the energy somehow or just deactivate Oracle safely.
Well, if we should be able to take control over it then we would be able to use up all the energy in a non-world destroying manner.

>golden rule of adventuring: when someone shows up and says a confusing bunch of gibberish, claims to be you, and rants about how they're really saving the world... just kill them.
That would only bring our destruction closer!
I’m confused, is this a boss or not?
Well, we can’t stand here all day. So should we kill him or help him?
We can just push him aside to get to the Oracle…
Um… Graven says he might know a way for us to take control over it… the Oracle that is…
If you think I’ll just stand here and let you discard me then you’re wrong.

Insert what now?_

So... is Lizbeth still out of commission?

[switch to Maggy]

Sup Graven. What's your plan, here?

>>478116
Controlling the Oracle sounds like our best bet to prevent the world from being destroyed.

How about this, roboliz. You let us take over the Oracle to disperse its magical energy safely, and we'll give you your original body back afterwards. Deal?

So Jacobeth, if you want our help you should explain precisely what your plan actually is.
Also, keep in mind that if what you say is true than you killing us would be just as problematic for your plans than us killing you.
By the way, how did you survive being shot through the head?

...Now that I think about it, what if we just use up the magic directly from the focus crystals without bothering with whatever tricks might be in Oracle's control system? We have them right here after all.

>>478116
"Ok, not-me Lizbeth, we're not going to discard you or anything, but we DO need to stop this. I'm going to let Maggy tell us Graven's plans, then you'll have a chance to explain your plan. We'll go with whichever plan seems like the best idea.

Lizbeth 2012/12/13(Thu)10:58 No. 478483 ID: b3ca75
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>So... is Lizbeth still out of commission?
Are you okay, love muffin?
Okay? I’m better than okay, Plunder bunny! I’ve never felt this okay in my life!
right… she’s clearly not okay… and plunder bunny?
Who’s up for a orgy!?
…never mind, she’s fine.
>what if we just use up the magic directly from the focus crystals without bothering with whatever tricks might be in Oracle's control system?
Do you realize how much people have died the last four thousand years? Trying to empty them without any aid will either rip your body to shreds or take thousands of years if you do it safely.
>keep in mind that if what you say is true than you killing us would be just as problematic for your plans than us killing you.
You’ll be surprised what you can live through. Besides, your friends are not protected the same way.
>By the way, how did you survive being shot through the head?
By hiding out in this hunk of trash body. Do you really believe I’d want to live in this body willingly?

>I'm going to let Maggy tell us Graven's plans, then you'll have a chance to explain your plan. We'll go with whichever plan seems like the best idea.
Um… he says he didn’t really have a plan, just that he figured out how to change what’s it is doing.
Which is exactly what I’ve been trying to do.
So let’s take control and release all that energy then.
Releasing it without using it would have the same effect as trying to blow up the machine, which isn’t a really good one. I suggest instead that we use its power as intended, and change reality to fit our own will. Let’s change reality so the infernal machine never was created and thus ensuring the surface was never destroyed. We should save billions of people, removing the loss of technology and recreating the world that was before all this happened.
Wouldn’t that ensure that we were never born?
Only me and Lizbeth. The rest of you would probably still exist… maybe…
but what about the paradox that would create?
The universe eats paradoxes for lunch! So are you with me or not?

Insert Boss fight! What? No boss fight? Sad :( _

>change reality to fit our own will
Well Liz is a reality warper...

>Wouldn’t that ensure that we were never born?
If we're shaping reality to our will, couldn't we just deliberately arrange it so all of us are born in the new timeline? I mean, we're not talking simple time travel here, we're talking rewriting reality to our will!

Stopping the machine from having been created would be good, but wouldn't stopping ourself from existing reset the loop like death?

I agree with your plan but am not sure we can trust you. Maybe you could let us read your mind to make sure your plans are what you say?

>>478483
Changing reality is a good plan, but I think we can do it in a more subtle way. Agree to the plan, but be sure that we, the One of Many, will be in control of this. We should be able to look at the big picture and... hey, if the universe gives no shits about paradox, can't we just change reality so that the Oracle was programmed with a security backdoor that would let us stop it? Heck, we could make it a voice command tied to the conversation we just had. Like "Plunder bunny". We have no way of knowing how the new 4000 years will go, so I'd like to avoid MAJOR changes. After that, we'd just have to figure out how to turn off the last two remaining focus crystals without killing Liz.

Also we still don't know what happened to the original Jacob, or where the red focus crystal is. Whoever's carrying the red focus crystal should be Wrath regardless of what their origin is, and would desire revenge above all else. Keep that in mind.

>>478483
"Sounds kinda risky. Lets just use the crystals to alter the present so the pre-apocalypse past is brought to the now, but leaving our little city-cavern unchanged? Except for Graven being alive and both of us having lizard bodies.
Doing that safely would take a long time, but we could just use the crystals to wrap the surface in a closed timelike curve until it's finished."

Lizbeth 2012/12/14(Fri)10:17 No. 478723 ID: b3ca75
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>Stopping the machine from having been created would be good, but wouldn't stopping ourselves from existing reset the loop like death?
You are still thinking this is some kind of time machine. It doesn’t actually travel through time, instead just rewrite the present reality to fit whatever we need have. Therefor there can be how many discontinuities as you please without actually damaging the time continuum.
>Changing reality is a good plan, but I think we can do it in a more subtle way. Agree to the plan, but be sure that we, the One of Many, will be in control of this.
And you honestly believe you can control this thing? Do you have any idea how to make it work? Last I checked I’m the only one still alive who knows how to direct this thing.
And yet you can’t actually access it?
Gee, sorry, I forgot the password.

>Sounds kinda risky. Let’s just use the crystals to alter the present so the pre-apocalypse past is brought to the now, but leaving our little city-cavern unchanged?
>If we're shaping reality to our will, couldn't we just deliberately arrange it so all of us are born in the new timeline?
That might be risky, but doable. I do not know if the current energies stored in it are enough to make that many key changes. It’s a lot safer just making one alternation, like I suggested, than making several like that.
>agree with your plan but am not sure we can trust you. Maybe you could let us read your mind to make sure your plans are what you say?
Do you think I’m stupid? I’m not letting you into my mind and take me over so you can become the queen bitch of reality.
Do you really think I would do that?
You’re thinking about changing everyone in existence into Kevros and making one big orgy, aren’t you?
…to tell you the truth, that thought have crossed my mind… several times… about four times a minute since I meet him…
Cute. Now give me control before it reactivates. It almost done loading!

Insert PINGAS!_

I think I like the all orgy reality idea. One thing though, too much of a good thing is bad. Try to limit yourself to a couple hundred of Kevros at a time. Maybe throw in a few Maggies and Gravens?

>>478723
Wait, I just noticed the red crystal just lit up. Wrath just died? That doesn't make sense.

Anyway, the answer is no. Kill him/her. Roboliz has lied to us multiple times over the course of this conversation and won't even give us basic access to their thoughts to confirm we can trust them. You can't take over peoples' minds! It's a trap.

Liz, you wouldn't really turn everyone into Kevros. That would be a terrible thing to do and you've been trying to be a better-than-terrible person lately.

If it isn't a time machine than re-creating the old world wouldn't actually save people; it would just make new but similar ones.

You don't trust Liz and we don't trust you, but we are running out of time so one last try at a compromise before we fight or something. Let Graven at least try to use the device and if that makes the device kill us all we will help you.

(If he doesn't agree, cast time stop on him then use the device.)

Lizbeth 2012/12/14(Fri)17:39 No. 478811 ID: b3ca75
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>Liz, you wouldn't really turn everyone into Kevros.
Of course not, that would be mean. I do have the right to dream about it thought, right?
>You can't take over peoples' minds!
Actually, I can take over Golems, and as…um…roboliz here is one…well, yeah, I should be able to control…it?

>If it isn't a time machine than re-creating the old world wouldn't actually save people; it would just make new but similar ones.
I-I… um… no wait, of course it would save people! It would create billions of people which were never born, saving them from whatever limbo they are stuck in!
>Let Graven at least try to use the device and if that makes the device kill us all we will help you.
WHAT!? NO! I-I mean… no, I don’t want to risk the only way we have to control this thing. Be reasonable!

>If he doesn't agree, cast time stop on him then use the device.
Yeah, his clearly up to something.
Let’s STOP this nonsense!

Lizbeth Sloth casts Time Stop!
Sloth cast True Illusion on combat text (Change Lizbeth to Sloth)!
Kevros, Maggy, Helga, Hans, Sonya, Olof have been stopped in Time!
Lizbeth was unaffected!

…what just happened?
Do you not realize that I’m just trying to help? I’m only trying to give everyone such
Give everyone such a splendid gift! A gift of eternal slumbers, without any pain and suffering! To finally be free from this wheel of never ending torment! They long for it! Can’t you feel it!? They long for an end of this suffering not even death can give them! A real-
Shut up, you talk way to much! You want to unmake the world because you’re crazy. I get that.
…I’m only trying to help…

>Kill him/her.
This guys has clearly lost his marvels, so yeah, killing time. Thought I don’t think spamming magic missile will really do it. I need a better plan than that…

Insert the man with the plan_

Illusion a angry dire badger into his or her's pants

Rewind, then bumrush him with the whole party.

Give him an illusion where he has won. Either he accepts it or realizes his futility in his plan

...wait, where did he get the 10 souls necessary for the true illusion?

Okay, since time travel isn't possible, the best thing to do is to use the reality rewritting to fix or stabilize the current world. Trying to make idealized conditions, or creating millions of new people for the hell of it, is playing god in a reckless and irresponsible way. Honestly, it's more likely to result in a massive war and the subsequent deaths of millions than anything else.

Hey Graven, you're a voice at the moment (well, until we rewrite reality), so you're not time stopped, just like us, right? You ready to do whatever you need to do as soon as Liz kills this guy, or at least sufficiently distracts him?

>>478828
Graven is in Maggy's head and... probably time-stopped? We could rules lawyer that since he's really part of us he's unaffected.

Lizbeth 2012/12/15(Sat)08:59 No. 478951 ID: b3ca75
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>Give him an illusion where he has won. Either he accepts it or realizes his futility in his plan.
Um… I don’t really know how you’re supposed to simulate complete oblivion. Besides, he’s probably smart enough not to get tricked by something like that.
>...wait, where did he get the 10 souls necessary for the true illusion?
Good question. Maybe he has a soul stone or something?

>We could rules lawyer that since he's really part of us he's unaffected.
>Hey Graven, you ready to do whatever you need to do as soon as Liz kills this guy, or at least sufficiently distracts him?
I can try, sure.
>Rewind, then bumrush him with the whole party.
Lizbeth cast Rewi-
-t’s STOP this nons- I mean, CHARGE!
Sloth cast true Illusion!
I knew it! Lizbeth, you bitch, this is your fault entirely!
Get her!
I-I…wait…
Maggy, Helga, Hans, Sonya, Olof have become hostile!
Don’t you see? All your friend’s will only betray you sooner or later. Let me ch-
>Illusion a angry dire badger into his or her's pants.
-AAAH, Why is there an angry badger in my face!
Badger badger badger…
Shouldn’t we help…um…it?
Nah, let’s just beat Lizbeth to a bloody pulp instead.
This isn’t right… this isn’t right at all…

Insert friends with benefits_

Hey, hello there, entire party of unreliable easily tricked people. Voices of magic speaking here. You mind telling us why you suddenly think Liz is the problem, and not the half crazed robot hooked up to the doomsday / rewrite reality machine? Because, really, who seems a bigger menace- the crazy with the will and means to destroy or remake the world as they see fit, or the slightly erratic and lovable weirdo nymphomaniac you're already friends with?

Besides, the badger-pants there is talking about how he just got all of Liz's friends to betray her. That's as good as admitting her manipulated you and it's his fault.

Could we please not do the son of party betrayal part V returns: the sequeling? Because really, this is getting old.

Wait didn't we illusion the badger into it's pants, why did Sloth say face? Sloth, are you Kuato?

Evidence that these guys are illusioned to attack us? The game text told us so!

Lizbeth 2012/12/15(Sat)11:21 No. 478977 ID: b3ca75
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>Wait didn't we illusion the badger into it's pants, why did Sloth say face? Sloth, are you Kuato?
He isn’t actually wearing any pants at all and doesn’t seem to have any private parts either, so I aimed at next best thing. Besides, the badger is almost as big as he is, so it’s more “why do I have a badger everywhere!?” kind of thing. …And now I really want to see someone with three breasts…

>Evidence that these guys are illusioned to attack us? The game text told us so!
Lizbeth disbelieves the illusion!
Welcome back to the world of the sane. Too bad I can’t say that to the rest of them.
I’ll protect you, Honeybun!
mmm, food…
WHY DOES EVERYONE LEAVE ME!
WHY IS THE BLOOD CENSURED! Rated PG!? NOOOO!
Get of me, you stupid bad- AAAAH, Where did these snakes come from!
Helga pickpockets Olof for 10gold!
Sonya goes Berserk!
>Hey, hello there, entire party of unreliable easily tricked people.
To be fair, getting your brain pumped full of illusion magic does wreak havoc with your grip of reality and besides, their illusions seems a little more believable.

Insert it’s a mushroom_

>>478977
Tell Sloth that in order for there to be enough energy for Oracle to do anything it needs all the focus crystals turned to 'release energy' mode. That only happens when the owner dies, and Sloth owns the blue one. So he should just kill himself!

Alternatively you could haste yourself and run up with your dagger to cut all his wires.

Alright, now let's assume control for each of the other characters and do the same thing. Also, wait, aren't they time-frozen?

>>479006
They aren't time-frozen because we used Reverse. Maybe it'd be better if we cast Stop on them ourselves since they're all kindof out of control right now.

Lizbeth 2012/12/15(Sat)17:31 No. 479032 ID: b3ca75
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>Alright, now let's assume control for each of the other characters and do the same thing.
[Unable to connect to target due to Panic!]
LIZBEHT! NO! I-I…no…I’LL KILL YOU!
What!? No more food!? NOOO!
A life without blood and gore isn’t worth living!
Of course not officer, I didn’t take anything…
Why did you leave me, mommy?
Sonya attacks ??? for ??? damage!
??? attacks Sonya for 10 damage!
>Tell Sloth that in order for there to be enough energy for Oracle to do anything it needs all the focus crystals turned to 'release energy' mode.
To do anything useful, yes. Creating a paradox which would unmake the universe probably doesn’t need it at full power... at least I think that’s what he is trying to do. It depends on if he was lying or not about the whole paradox thing.

>Maybe it'd be better if we cast Stop on them ourselves since they're all kind of out of control right now.
Lizbeth cast Time Stop!
Kevros, Maggy, Helga, Hans, Sonya, Olof, Sloth have been stopped in Time!
>Alternatively you could haste yourself and run up with your dagger to cut all his wires.
Die monster, you don’t belong in this world!
Sloth has been slain!
…that was surprisingly easy… again…
So…um… what do you want to do with the whole Oracle thing?
Well… hmmm… you know, if you stop poking me in the brain then maybe I can concentrate enough to come up with an answer…
Um…what? I’m not doing anything…

Insert Poke, friend, send_

>>479032
He's not dead. His crystal didn't light up. Cast Detect Invisible. (the usual fog thing)

Also is there any way to tell who's trying to poke your brain? Maybe Sloth is still in your head, and we'll have to go INSIDE to fully kill him.

>stop poking me in the brain
Psychic assault! Voices, man the mental defenses! :V

[Activate mental defenses.]

Lizbeth 2012/12/16(Sun)10:10 No. 479156 ID: b3ca75
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>Psychic assault! Voices, man the mental defenses! :V
All available voices, please report to Lizbeth’s mind, we are currently getting boarded by an unknown enemy.
>He's not dead. His crystal didn't light up.
You’re right! It di- wait, it just did? Either it got one hell of a delay or something isn’t right here.
>Cast Detect Invisible. (the usual fog thing).
Nothing shows up in the mist, thought I can feel a lot of Illusion magic around me… maybe left over from all the magic Sloth was casting?
>Also is there any way to tell who's trying to poke your brain?
Not really. Thought, it does feel like Graven. I can even hear someone that sounds like Graven whispering but I can’t make out what he’s saying.
I’m not saying anything…

Insert spinning top_

I think he absorbed his soul into you in the same way Graven was. If so, you can get rid of him by using him as the soul to fuel for a permanent illusion spell or something. Then cast slow on Oracle and use it as quickly as possible (while still hasted) before it finished loading.

Oh jeez, what if this is all an illusion and there's a real Graven using his golemancy knowledge to try to contact you from outside of it?

Disbelieve!

Lizbeth 2012/12/18(Tue)09:11 No. 479651 ID: b3ca75
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>Oh jeez, what if this is all an illusion and there's a real Graven using his golemancy knowledge to try to contact you from outside of it?
Unable to disbelieve True illusions! Need solid proof!
>Rules lawyer: the spell just provided its own evidence that this is a True Illusion!
Lizbeth disbelieves the Illusion!
Well, that was kind of an anticlimax….
Sloth cast Sword wall! Moment causes damage!
I’m sorry to jet, but I’m in a hurry. Toddles!

Insert Are you going to listen to that monkey??_

...wait. This is a video game. Doesn't that mean, that everything in this reality is an illusion? That once you accept that nothing is real, you can disbelieve anything you want?

The ultimate reality warper power- the ability to remove anything from existence at will.

Disbelieve the sword wall. The swords don't actually exist. What's the proof? The fact that you perceive them at all, and you're inside a game. If sloth gives you any trouble? Disbelieve him as well.

Hey there, more real-ish Graven! Mind telling us what's going on outside of the illusion we just got out of?

>>479651
Timestop the swords, then fuckin' GET HIM. Reenact your dagger work from the dream.

On the other hand, if any of your party is currently dead, Rewind so we can try to save them by disbelieving earlier.

Rewind than re-disbelieve.

Lizbeth 2012/12/19(Wed)10:31 No. 479851 ID: b3ca75
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>On the other hand, if any of your party is currently dead, Rewind so we can try to save them by disbelieving earlier.
It looks like they are lost in illusions, not dead. At least, I don’t think dead people roll around talking to themselves.
>...wait. This is a video game. Doesn't that mean, that everything in this reality is an illusion? That once you accept that nothing is real, you can disbelieve anything you want?
…
>Disbelieve the sword wall. The swords don't actually exist. What's the proof? The fact that you perceive them at all, and you're inside a game.
Lizbeth has disbelieved the sword wall! The sword wall ceased to be!

>If sloth gives you any trouble? Disbelieve him as well.
Lizbeth has disbelieved the Sloth! Sloth ceased to be!
Thank y-
Wait… doesn’t that mean none of us actually exist? Like Kevy is just like another pile of data?
Kevros ceased to be!
Wait, NO! NO!!! THAT’S NOT- NO!
Existence ceased to be!
____

Lizbeth 2012/12/19(Wed)10:31 No. 479852 ID: b3ca75
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You have achieved a fate worse than death!

Nonexistence
____ ____ ____ ___ ____ __ ___!

>Hey there, more real-ish Graven! Mind telling us what's going on outside of the illusion we just got out of?
Unable to connect to Graven. Graven doesn’t exist anymore.
>Rewind than re-disbelieve.
There’s nothing to rewind.
Unable to disbelieve True illusions! Need solid proof!

Game Over_

Whoops. You were supposed to be selective about what you disbelieved. Guess that didn't work out so well.

Reload from last save? May require a fresh instal actually, if we just destroyed the entire game...

Waitasec... we're in another illusion. The text just told us so.

Non-existence is a true illusion? How does that work?

Alright this is getting silly. Continue to disbelieve everything until you no longer get the illusion message. Then if Sloth is still around True Illusion him for a change. Lets say... a world where no one exists and all the souls are gone. That'd make him happy! As to where we'd get the power we're carrying round lots of soul gems!

Remember to white out the true illusion error message when he tried to disbelieve.

Lizbeth 2012/12/19(Wed)12:42 No. 479876 ID: b3ca75
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>Reload from last save?
Unable to find any saves. Want to start a New Game?
>May require a fresh install actually, if we just destroyed the entire game...
Unable to find install disk. Please check behind the sofa.

>Waitasec... we're in another illusion. The text just told us so.
Lizbeth disbelieves the Illusion!
>Continue to disbelieve everything until you no longer get the illusion message.
Lizbeth is unable disbelieves the Illusion! There is no Illusion to disbelieve!
>Non-existence is a true illusion? How does that work?
Apparently those true Illusions have father range than I thought and can screw up reality pretty badly. At least I learned how nonexistence actually feels…
No! I won! You can’t just reverse that! I WON YOU BI-
>True Illusion him for a change. Lets say... a world where no one exists and all the souls are gone. That'd make him happy! As to where we'd get the power we're carrying round lots of soul gems!
Lizbeth cast true illusion (nonexistence) on Sloth!
ch….bliss….
Sloth has disbelieved his own existence!
Sloth ceases to exist!
Sloth has been slain!
…how does that even work?

Why shouldn’t I save you, Liz…
Oh, yeah, I probably should do something about the rest of the party.
WHERE’S THE BLOOD, JA!?

Insert in the veins_

Souls are merely magical power. We're carrying around gems that have been gathering power for a thousand years. 10 souls worth is nothing.

...wait. Where/how did we get the ten souls necessary to cast true illusion on sloth?

Whatever. Start snapping your friends out of it. Can you just dispel the illusions now that sloth is gone, or do we have to snap them out of it one by one the hard way?

>…how does that even work?
Probably best not to think about it. If you find a way to understand it, you'll likely unbelieve your own existence and cease as well.

Also, Gravs! Could we get a status update? We've been lost in a recursive loop of too many illusions. We went too far backing out, but we should be good now. What's the situation here in the real(ish) world?

Lizbeth 2012/12/19(Wed)13:12 No. 479884 ID: b3ca75
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>...wait. Where/how did we get the ten souls necessary to cast true illusion on sloth?
Apparently I’m running around with several soul gems filled with billions of souls just waiting to be used. Who would have thought?
>Gravs! Could we get a status update?
The bad guy just died in an anticlimax and the rest of the party is uselessly drooling on the floor, you know, as usual.

>Can you just dispel the illusions now that sloth is gone, or do we have to snap them out of it one by one the hard way?
As far as I know, true Illusion can only be dispelled with disbelieve, and then I’m talking about the one affected beliefs.
So, I have to convince them that they are affected by illusions one by one.
Probably, yes.
Why isn’t there anymore food!?
Let’s see, if I’ve guessed correctly, then Olofs believes all the food is gone, Kevros believes he failed saving your life, Sonya is fighting something, Hans is in a world without blood, Helga got caught stealing something and Maggy believes we’re all dead. Prove to them that they are wrong and they should snap out of it. I’ll take care of maggy if you can fix the rest, okay? Toddles!
[Graven have left]
Sonya has gone Berserk!

Insert belief can change the nature of a man_

Kevros is easiest. Simply kiss him and tell him your still alive he's under an illusion.

Give Olaf food. We have solid illusions for that.

Drip some blood on Hans face. He should be able to feel that and recognize it.

For the rest we need more information. Golemancy the hell outta them.

>>479886
This sounds good. Although I'd upgrade Han's cure to dumping buckets of blood on him.

>Apparently I’m running around with several soul gems filled with billions of souls just waiting to be used.
So... the only limit on our most powerful reality breaking spells was just limited. Good to know.

>>479886
>>479888
So let me get this straight you want us to convince the others that they are under illusions by using more illusions on them?

Some vulgar language or a couple sexual references should be enough to get Hans to realize the game didn't manage to get a PG rating. Check Olaf's inventory, I bet he's got a spare turkey leg squirreled away for a post adventure snack. First though we should probably hack our way into Sonya's brain and stop whatever is in there from seeming to kill her, I do not want to find out whether or not dieing in a true illusion leaves you brain dead or something.

>So let me get this straight you want us to convince the others that they are under illusions by using more illusions on them?
Illusions are always the solution. They're also almost always the problem, but eh.

>I do not want to find out whether or not dieing in a true illusion leaves you brain dead or something.
It probably only kills you so long as you believe you're dead.

Lizbeth 2012/12/19(Wed)14:46 No. 479894 ID: b3ca75
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>So... the only limit on our most powerful reality breaking spells was just limited. Good to know.
Well, the bad guys are quite literally breaking the game right now so it’s only fair, right?
>So let me get this straight you want us to convince the others that they are under illusions by using more illusions on them?
…I’ll try fixing them without illusions, thought I don’t see why it should be a problem. You can fight fire with fire, after all.
>Illusions are always the solution.
Wasn’t violence always the solution? Or was it the question?

>Kevros is easiest. Simply kiss him and tell him your still alive he's under an illusion.
Lizbeth uses kiss on Kevros for plunder bunny damage!
I’m alive, doofus!
B-but I saw you-
It was an illusion!
…how I’m I suppose to trust that you aren’t an illusion lying about it being an illusion?
Because I said so.
Oh, okay then.

>Give Olaf food. I bet he's got a spare turkey leg squirreled away for a post adventure snack.
Let’s see… Turkey leg, hamburger, a lot of fruit, candy, a whole fish… a whole moose? A cow? How does even fit all this? There’s at least three times his mass of food in his pockets! Oh well, here have a some candy.
Food? FOOD!
It was an illusion, okay?
Om nom nom!
>Drip some blood on Hans face.
Lizbeth cuts herself for 1 damage!
That smell… is that…?
It was an illus- EEK!
Blood! Fabulous blood, darling! Mmm, ja?
Um… can you stop sucking at my finger… it’s getting kind of creepy…

>For the rest we need more information. Golemancy the hell outta them.
[Reading thoughts of “Helga”]
Must escape, will be hanged in an hour. Must escape, will be hanged in an hour…
[Reading thoughts of “Sonya”]
I’m not useless! I’M NOT PATHETIC! I’ll show you who’s aggressive, by showing this sword up your bum!

Insert self-image problems_

Helga, all you have to do to escape to disbelieve the illusion. You aren't really in a prison. A simple act of will, and you've escaped. Trust me. At worst, you waste a moment of your time. At best, I'm right.

Sonya, of course you're not useless. If you didn't pose some kind of a threat, our enemy wouldn't have wasted the time, effort, and souls to trap you in a true illusion. Since you know you're not useless, you're obviously trapped in an illusion lying that you are.

>>479894
Conjure an illusion of something for Sonja to fight and win. Make it look like 'Wrath'. That's probably the only thing we can do to get her to come out of Berserk, anyway. Also blink away- she's about to shank you. After she's out of it, tell her she's a fantastic swordfighter and if it weren't for her, Ridcully would've most likely killed us.

As for Helga, uhhh... we need PROOF that she's not in prison. I'm at a loss, honestly.

For Helga, you could place in front of her an illusionary prison door with an easily opened lock.

Lizbeth 2012/12/20(Thu)10:58 No. 480038 ID: b3ca75
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>Conjure an illusion of something for Sonja to fight and win. Make it look like 'Wrath'.
Sonya uses flurry for 46 damage on Illusion!
Illusion has been slain!
Well, that thing didn’t last long!
RAWR!
>tell her she's a fantastic swordfighter and if it weren't for her, Ridcully would've most likely killed us.
Of course you’re an excellent fighter. I mean, if you weren’t then why would they waste time casting an illusion on you to keep you busy?
Sonya calms down!
…that’s a good point.

>For Helga, you could place in front of her an illusionary prison door with an easily opened lock.
FREEDOOOM!
no wait, get back here!

Lizbeth 2012/12/20(Thu)10:59 No. 480039 ID: b3ca75
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OW! Who put a big dumb robot in middle of a prison block?
It’s an Illusion! The prison, not the robot. Disbelieve!
…what?
See, Kevros is here. Kevros would never do something that would get him throw in prison.
I-I can be a bad boy if I wanted to!
Kev, honey, you wouldn’t even be able to flip of a box of puppies.
Someone is flipping of puppies!? We must stop them at once!
Maybe you’re right… maybe this isn’t a prison…
Well, at least we found the real Oracle.
I bet it’s those evil kittens that’s flipping them of, isn’t it?

Insert Rawr means I love you in dinosaur_

Is that another Liz-bot? The zero-model maid edition? Quick, do a golemancy check! And on the oracle too, while you're at it.

Hmm. You know... it's already a lizard wizard golem body. With some modification and reworking, we could have a new body for Graven! :3

>>480039
WHAT. Why is the maid-bot still there?! That's supposed to be your body! First, disbelieve everything around here, to check for illusions. Second, golemancy check both the maid body and Oracle. See if you can tell if this is the Oracle we've been speaking to via the connection or if it was Sloth/Virtue all along lying to us with True Illusions.

Also we still haven't found Iracundus. I find that odd. Then again considering you've killed almost all the other sins, if I were him I'd be steering clear of you too.

Lizbeth 2012/12/20(Thu)13:20 No. 480047 ID: b3ca75
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>First, disbelieve everything around here, to check for illusions.
Lizbeth is unable disbelieves the Illusion! There is no Illusion to disbelieve!
>Second, golemancy check both the maid body and Oracle.
Hmm… they are both running the same software…
[Connecting to “Virtue”]
Connected…
Energy is at… 100%
Pre algorithm calculations is at… 100%
Software is… 100%... functional
Hardware is… 98%... functional. Hardware functionality is within acceptable levels.
…
Please connect Virtue Portable to Virtue Mainframe and input command to proceed_

>You know... it's already a lizard wizard golem body. With some modification and reworking, we could have a new body for Graven! :3
What? No! I rather stay dead than be in some woman’s body!
That’s kind of sexist…
But it’s so perfect. Then I only need to trick Kevros to change gender and I’ll have lesbian lizard harem all for myself :3
w-what?
Don’t worry, I’m only kidding, honeybun.
Oh good…
Not about the “shove you into my other body” part. That’s still going to happen. Don’t worry, I probably can put in some extra equipment down below.
Shouldn’t we worry about the whole “Save the world” thing first?

Insert Lesbian dance party! (Clothes optional)_

maggy is being rather quiet right now, check to see if she is still in illusion land or not.

>>480047
You're probably Virtue Portable. I guess our next step is to connect.

>I rather stay dead than be in some woman’s body!
Obviously we can swap some components around first, Gravs. Needs a coat of paint, too.

Although I'm not sure why you care so much. Maggy goes both ways, and that's a body she's already attracted to anyways. :V

>Shouldn’t we worry about the whole “Save the world” thing first?
Yeah, yeah, alright. Where were we at with that again?

Lizbeth 2012/12/20(Thu)14:02 No. 480058 ID: b3ca75
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>Maggy is being rather quiet right now, check to see if she is still in illusion land or not.
I did manage to get her to snap out of it, but her psyche is a little flimsy at the moment. Reality has had a habit to kick her while she was down several times, so to speak.
>Although I'm not sure why you care so much. Maggy goes both ways, and that's a body she's already attracted to anyways. :V
That wouldn’t lead to Lizbeth sleeping with her in secret and stealing her away, no sir. Besides, I want to have something under the hood, okay? But if you can modify the body, then sure, thought I don’t know if it’s even possible to put me in it so I get control, thought.

>You're probably Virtue Portable. I guess our next step is to connect.
Get out of the way, non me Liz, It’s my turn with the cables.
>Yeah, yeah, alright. Where were we at with that again?
...Connecting to main frame...
Connected!
Welcome back, Jacob…
Virtue is fully operational.
Virtue currently has power to change… 3… major events in history.
Please insert (1-3) events you want to change_

…Apparently we are on the finish line…

Insert First place goes to…_

>>480058
Uh, we don't know enough about history to know what events to change. Or exactly how this works for changing events- are things in this room preserved if the past changes to potentially nullify their existence? Considering Sloth wanted to destroy the world by causing a massive paradox, we can't change anything that would prevent Virtue from being made.

Can we look up a history of the world, please? And the Virtue machine's capabilities?

Could we get a list of crucial events available to fix?

Also, does this machine actually have the power to change the past, or this just a rewrite the present machine we were discussing before (in which case, stopping the previous destruction of the surface wouldn't even save anyone).

Lizbeth 2012/12/20(Thu)16:13 No. 480065 ID: b3ca75
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>Virtue machine's capabilities?
Virtue possesses the ability to change reality to a specified input. By changing the core data of the game world anything is possible.
>Considering Sloth wanted to destroy the world by causing a massive paradox.
Unknown if tampering with time will cause a time paradox – not enough data.
Unknown if paradox will unmake the world – not enough data.

>Can we look up a history of the world, please?
Wouldn’t it better to try and focus on the present? Apparently, if I understand this right, then this thing can change things that would be impossible in reality. I bet you can turn of gravity with this thing and stuff like that.
So we can remake reality in three different ways? How are we supposed to choose?
Make the surface inhabitable, create a thriving society up there and then remove all magic so this can’t happen again?
Um… aren’t you forget to bring yourself to life?
I don’t think one of our “genie wishes” really is worth to waste on me.
Wait, genie wishes? Does this mean we can wish ourselves immortal, ja?
In theory.
Can’t we just “wish” that this never actually happened? I mean, if that thing isn’t actually using time travel then we shouldn’t get any paradoxes right?
That is a possibility , yes… except we don’t know if it is using time travel or not…
I’m confused…
Wait… how is Graven talking to us? Isn’t he some kind of head voice?
…I… don’t… know.

Insert reality changing: 4$ a wish_

>Make the surface inhabitable, create a thriving society up there and then remove all magic so this can’t happen again?
Making the surface inhabitable isn't a bad idea. Creating a new society out of nothing has a lot of dangerous moral implications, though. Also- how's a surface civilization going to react when a bunch of dirt dwellers crawl out into the sun?

Removing magic ain't so hot either. It's perfectly possible to render a planet uninhabitable with just science, and there are a lot of good uses for magic. Making the specific way the surface was destroyed impossible (changing the laws of reality so the reality eating crystals aren't possible no more, say) might be worth it.

>Can’t we just “wish” that this never actually happened?
Possibly- lot of dangerous implications, though.

>Wait… how is Graven talking to us? Isn’t he some kind of head voice?
What, can't you all hear headvoices? Aren't you used to us, yet?

wish maggies parents back, Hans sanity back and for the surface to be habitable again

>>480073
Uh... bringing back Mag's parents could be all kinds of messy and unfortunate (especially given how the mother died, and that her father wanted to die).

And why would you do that to poor Han? D= He doesn't deserve that!

>>480065
Alright, let's avoid paradox. In fact, let's avoid changing the past at all.

Come to think of it, isn't the surface only uninhabitable because of the magic void up there? Which we know now is due to the focus crystals charging? If they are no longer charging then the magic void will go away and the surface will be fine. So all we need to do for the surface is make sure all the focus crystals are switched off of 'gather' mode. I mean, it's been 4000 years since the nukes went off. The radiation should be gone, right? Then again, with no animal life on the surface, the ecosystem is gonna be hard to take advantage of. Maybe we could just straight up restore the surface ecosystem?

Can we get a listing of how many focus crystals are still sucking magic off of the surface?

Oh, and I'd like to say that we should be very careful when phrasing our instructions to this machine. If we phrase them wrong, we could have undesired results!

Um. Hold on. The graphic there says "All a lie".

What?

...you know what, I don't like this. Just disconnect and step away from the machine, Liz.

I don't think we should do this. It reeks of a trap.

Got to admit, something strikes me as off with all this and that text does make me think of what we have been dealing with. I mean, when you think about it, Liz and Sloth were both grade A illusionists and Liz is basically a direct conduit for Virtue, right?

What if the full power of these wishes are just perfect illusions? No holes, no flaws, real to everyone and anything who sees it and unbreakable through standard means? I mean, we've already seen what high level illusions can do to you if done right and we're probably the best at it now.

So... my big question is this; What if all the stuff that happened above ground is a Virtue class Illusion?

Lizbeth 2012/12/21(Fri)10:04 No. 480140 ID: b3ca75
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>What, can't you all hear headvoices?
Only in our heads, and then only to one of us at the time. Otherwise it always has been Lizbeth or someone else dictating what you were saying. Right now we all can hear graven actually speaking, with our ears, not mind.
>Can we get a listing of how many focus crystals are still sucking magic off of the surface?
There is currently… on- … zero… crystal(s) active.

>wish maggies parents back.
That would probably end badly. Please, she has already suffered enough, right?
>Hans sanity.
Wouldn’t he just go insane again knowing everything he’s done when he was mad?
Darling, I’m already fabulous happy like this, ja? Why waste a wish on me?
>Creating a new society out of nothing has a lot of dangerous moral implications, though.
Shoulden’t we just be able to create city’s without people? Then we don’t have to start from scratch or wage a bloody war between the surface dwellers and the dirt farmers.
>Removing magic ain't so hot either.
Hmm, maybe you’re right. Removing the tool would just prompt people to find another tool to do the job.
>changing the laws of reality so the reality eating crystals aren't possible no more.
That doesn’t really stop something like this from happening again, it would just hinder it. After all, changing a man’s recourses doesn’t really change his nature.
>So... my big question is this; What if all the stuff that happened above ground is a Virtue class Illusion?
…But how does that really change anything? I mean, if the illusion is that powerful than we’re not just going to disbelieve it just like that. Besides, even if we were able to disbelieve it, then there are probably several layers of illusions under it. Getting the target to believe they escaped the illusion is after all the best way to keep them inside the illusion.

>I don't think we should do this. It reeks of a trap.
>...you know what, I don't like this. Just disconnect and step away from the machine, Liz.
And what? Just leave the machine here?
Well, we don’t actually know if it will just lay dormant or not now when we’ve taken care of sloth, do we?
Maybe he lied about what would happen if we destroyed it to? Maybe that would be the best course of action?
But are we willing to take the chance?
Warning! Magical Meltdown Imminent! Please use up the magical power stored in… Virtue… within… five minutes… or a meltdown of… planet buster… levels will occur! Please have a nice day! :D
…is it just me or was that a bit to convenient?
But are you willing to bet the whole world that it was?
Well, we can’t just stand here. So what are we supposed to do? Destroy it? Just burry it here and forget about it? Use it? We’re kind of running out of time.

Insert never enough time_

Meh, just ignore it and go to a beach. We haven't had a beach episode yet.

>Right now we all can hear graven actually speaking, with our ears, not mind.
Wait... who's that blue semitransparent lizard wizard on the right? Gravs, are you somehow not dead and picked up a cloaking spell? Or are you an external soul thing now?

>make wish or not? Could be a trap!
You know, if we really want to play both sides here, we just wish that the deadly power buildup gets harmlessly dissipated. If this is a trap? We didn't let it trick us into doing something exploitable. If this is real? We've used up the power (to use up the power) and saved the world. It's a safe way to hedge our bets- it just regrettably stops us from exploiting positive change if this [i]is[/s] legit.

wish for cake.

We could also find a way to send the machine far out into space. With Liz's incredibly high levels of magic, that should be doable.

>>480140
HEY, who's that ghostly figure on the right? Is that Graven?

Anyway, there's still a focus crystal active and the machine's lying to us. Let's blow it up to see what happens. Worst case scenario is that you die and we rewind. Just be sure to unplug first.

Lizbeth 2012/12/21(Fri)13:20 No. 480168 ID: b3ca75
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>Meh, just ignore it and go to a beach. We haven't had a beach episode yet.
Your argument is compelling… dammit, now I want to see Kevros in a tight bikini… well, that settles it, if the world doesn’t go kaboom, then the beach it is.
>Gravs, are you somehow not dead and picked up a cloaking spell? Or are you an external soul thing now?
Um… I think so… It feels like I’m getting moved away from Lizbeth for some reason… It’s a weird felling, really…
>wish for cake.
Best plan.
Why stop at cake? Wish for a full feast!

>We could also find a way to send the machine far out into space.
Well, we should always wish it there?
>Anyway, there's still a focus crystal active and the machine's lying to us.
Are you sure? Hmm, well, everyone else has been lying so maybe…
>Let's blow it up to see what happens. Worst case scenario is that you die and we rewind.
Worst case scenario is that we’re all unmade and thus I can’t rewind time at all… or maybe the whole game gets corrupted and unplayable, who knows?

>You know, if we really want to play both sides here, we just wish that the deadly power buildup gets harmlessly dissipated.
Yes, let’s do it the safe way.
What about the cake?
I can make you one later, if you want.
Sweet!

Lizbeth Change game date (Virtue power set to 0)!
Commencing Operation….

Lizbeth 2012/12/21(Fri)13:20 No. 480169 ID: b3ca75
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weeeeeeee!

Lizbeth 2012/12/21(Fri)13:20 No. 480170 ID: b3ca75
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About ~5 years later…

Mommy, mommy, when are we going to open the presents?
Goo…
Take it easy, sweetie, you almost woke up your sister. Now, you got to behave tonight, Graven and Eliza is coming over after all. Remember that Santa doesn’t bring you any presents if you’ve been bad~
Speaking of Graven, shouldn’t they be here by now? I’m getting worried…
Don’t worry, honey, they’ll be here any second now…

Insert Christmas spirits… the alcohol kind_

Uh, hello there guys! It's us again, the voices! So... apparently we missed 5 years? Anything good happen? Because it kind of looked like when we turned the machine on it disintegrated everyone...

Hey, I spy Lizard spawn. It got a name? And is it half robot or anything?

Aww, we didn't get to see Kevros in his bikini...

>>480170
Whoa, you guys are alive? It looked like everyone disintegrated.

I take it the plan worked? Hey, did you find out what happened to Wrath?

Lizbeth 2012/12/22(Sat)10:23 No. 480296 ID: b3ca75
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>Uh, hello there guys! It's us again, the voices!
AAH!
Mom?
Goo?
OH GODS, you guys scared me! Can’t you give some warning next time? Geez, it’s been several years since you last talked…
>Hey, I spy Lizard spawn. It got a name?
Mommy’s fine, sweetie…
I’d rather like it if you didn’t call my hatchlings spawns. Besides, there are two of them. The big one is… um… and his sister that I’m holding is… why can’t I remember their names? Did you screw up my memory or something when you invaded my skull again?
>is it half robot or anything?
…I don’t think so… that would be totally sweet if they were, thought.

>Anything good happen?
Well, there was this one time when… and…um…my memory is all foggy? It’s like I can remember it as long as I don’t try to remember it…
>Aww, we didn't get to see Kevros in his bikini...
Dammit! That memory is gone to! What did you guys do!?

Hi guys, sorry we’re a little late. Gravy isn’t feeling so well.
I’m fine. I’m just feeling a little… distant? It’s like I’m in a dream or something…
Well, I’m sure you’ll feel better when you get some food in you. We got quite a feast ready for tonight.

So… um… what are you guys doing here? The whole adventure thing is kind of over, isn’t it?

Insert Merry Christmas Holidays Official censored day of the year The day which will not be named_

>So… um… what are you guys doing here? The whole adventure thing is kind of over, isn’t it?
Well, maybe? If this is an epilogue, you should be able to tell us what happened, right? And... you kind of can't.

From our perspective you just turned on the machine, and suddenly it's supposedly 5 years later but you can't remember the intervening 5 years. I hate to say this but... it kind of sounds like you're trapped in another illusion.

Yeah, it sounds kind of like that.
Both to make sure and to get more people to help the disbelieving effort, ask Kevs what he did yesterday.

>>480296
Frickin' hell. Try to disbelieve. I don't care if this is a happy place you're in right now, we're not done saving the world if you're trapped in an illusion. On the other hand, if this is a DREAM then maybe it's okay? I would still like an eye on the outside though.

I hope we didn't get the bad ending... Hmm. Theory time: This is Wrath using his time magic to mess with you. Can you use your magical aptitude for Time Magic to tell if something's weird with the timeline?

I'm inclined to agree. You're probably in an illusion, Liz. Also, what's that paining above your couch? Also, it's snowing. Are you above ground right now? Is that even possible?

Well the painting looks somewhat similar to the Kevros's in the dream where we 'repainted' Liz's future. The only added element is the kid in the middle.

Also looking back on that, I hope we didn't fuck up by not choosing to repaint the future of the world itself. If our actions in that dream actually did anything, then we might've been able to prevent the apocalypse permanently by repainting that one.

Oh, and you know what this missing memory stuff reminds me of? Back when we switched timelines after Ridcully killed off most of our party. This could be exactly the same thing except also combined with a timeskip. Hey Liz, just before the Oracle commenced whatever it did, we saw "Lizbeth Change game date (Virtue power set to 0)!" Did you do this on purpose?

Also, uh, I'll point out that we saw that old lizard maid body there, so... where did your body come from? Also, Oracle greeted you with "Welcome back, Jacob". If you've been Jacob all this time, I will flip. That would mean he basically decided to change his own gender and species then wiped his memory in order to hide out in an immortal body in order to get revenge on his former coworkers. ...you DID say you didn't care about your own gender or the gender of your partners... Then again maybe welcome back message was like that because Oracle wasn't programmed with any other greeting.

Lizbeth 2012/12/23(Sun)09:33 No. 480467 ID: b3ca75
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>it's snowing. Are you above ground right now?
Why, yes, we did make the surface inhabitable again, didn’t we? You’d be surprised how fast people can build when they have some motivation.
>Liz. Also, what's that paining above your couch?
It’s a family photo. Of course, we have to redo it when the little one gets a little bigger so she too can be in it.
>Hey Liz, just before the Oracle commenced whatever it did, we saw "Lizbeth Change game date (Virtue power set to 0)!" Did you do this on purpose?
Wasn’t that what I was supposed to do? Remove the harmful power buildup?

>Can you use your magical aptitude for Time Magic to tell if something's weird with the timeline?
Of course nothings weird…um… except apparently I haven’t aged since the day we shut down Virtue? That’s kind of odd, isn’t?
>I hate to say this but... it kind of sounds like you're trapped in another illusion.
WHAT? No! I-I re- no.
Lizbeth is unable disbelieves the Illusion! There is no Illusion to disbelieve!
See? No illusion! …phew, for a second there I was worried…

>ask Kevs what he did yesterday.
Well, we were getting todays dinner ready for most of the day. Oh, and we finished the last of the presents… And then we did that thing with the potions that we shouldn’t say in front of the children… But enough lollygagging, let’s eat.
Great, we’re starving, right Graven?
…
Graven?
I’m sure his fine. He’s probably just lost in his thoughts ag- AAH!
Lizbeth takes 18 damage!
K-Kev, take t-the baby…
Are you alright, honey? W-what’s happening?
I-I don’t know… I just got this intense chest pain…

Insert losing color_

So... Graven has gone silent and is fading away, and Liz is losing memories and dying? Not good.

If this isn't an illusion through, I've no idea what the problem is. Unless time travel is kicking in and killing the two of you?

Oh, wait, shit, I got it.

You guys never actually brought Gravs back to life, did you. He just left your body and became a solid spirit or something. And now that you're going, he's going too.

As for you, Liz? I think your magic crystal power source just gave out. D=

>>480472
In that case healing should help at least somewhat, as a shortage of magic would be helped by adding more magic.

Lizbeth 2012/12/23(Sun)14:44 No. 480485 ID: b3ca75
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>I think your magic crystal power source just gave out.
No… I can still feel it… but it’s weaker… it feels like someone is ripping it out of my body…
Lizbeth takes 10 damage!
Lizbeth is dying!
LIZ!
MOM!
Kevros can’t heal Lizbeth. Lizbeth does not have a soul to heal!
What?

>You guys never actually brought Gravs back to life, did you.
W-what? I… but… then how is he standing here?
W-we didn’t, did w- wait, what was we talking about again?
G-Graven…
Graven died five years ago, Liz. What does he have to do with your chest pain?
His d-daughter…
What about h- …wait, how did he have a daughter when his dead? That doesn’t make sense!?

Insert sense, it make none_

>doesn't make sense
I think that's the problem, actually. Liz has been somehow sustaining some kind of paradox and reality just now finally caught on and is starting to break it down.

Cast a time stop or at least a time vacation. Let the universe have some extra time to catch up on paperwork while you try to figure something out.

Lizbeth 2012/12/23(Sun)15:56 No. 480494 ID: b3ca75
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>Cast a time stop or at least a time vacation.
Lizbeth can’t use magic. Lizbeth doesn’t have the soul necessary for using magic.
Where are we going? What happening to mommy?
D-don’t worry, we… um… we are going to go meet Santa, okay?
Hang in there, Liz. I know we can get through this together…
Lizbeth have lost item Focus Crystal (Light blue)!
Sloth looted Focus Crystal (Light blue)!

Insert Happy whatever you’re celebrating! …at least if you live on my side of the world, otherwise it’s like nine hours left…_

>>480494
Oh great. Well, this isn't an illusion and it isn't time related shenanigans... This must be a vision of a possible future?

Liz. You were still connected to Oracle before this happened. Disconnect!

Also uh, if Graven's daughter is impossible, kill it.

Right. Time to cheat. Use one of us Lizbeth. Time Rewind to the point before you plugged yourself in.

I volunteer if it consumes a soul.

kev: go on quest to pry liz's crystal from sloth's cold dead hands

Disbelieve the illusion that this is Lizbeth.

Rules Lawyer: If Lizbeth's Soul is not present, then there is no way to prove that this is really Lizbeth. It's an illusion.

Oh, I get it. This isn't an illusion for LIZBETH. It's an illusion for everyone else. Lizbeth is seeing it because she's being directly hacked.

Weird though, I thought we killed Sloth.

Lizbeth 2012/12/23(Sun)17:33 No. 480508 ID: b3ca75
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>Disbelieve the illusion that this is Lizbeth.
Lizbeth is not an illusion that can be dibelived!
>Oh, I get it. This isn't an illusion for LIZBETH. It's an illusion for everyone else.
T-that… not r-right… I’m r-real?
>Graven: Getting the target to believe they escaped the illusion is after all the best way to keep them inside the illusion.
…
M-my… son?
Don’t worry, Maggy will take care of him. We sho-
no… I… wanght… s-say… goodngt… bye…
Don’t give up! We can d-
Lizbeth is unable disbelieves the Illusion! There is no Illus-
Lizbeth disbelieves the Illusion!s

Lizbeth 2012/12/23(Sun)17:33 No. 480509 ID: b3ca75
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Lizbeth was able to escape the true illusion!
Oh? You actually succeeded in disbelieve the illusion? Color me surprised. I’m sorry I can’t stay and chat, got a world to unmake, you know.
H-hel..p…
Your friends can’t hear you. They are quite stuck in their own little illusions right now. Anyway, toddles!

Insert Inception!_

Maggy, your son is born of a dead father. The only way for that to be true is if you're stuck in an illusion. Snap out of it! Disbelieve!

Kev, Liz is dying from nothing at all. The only way for that to be true is if you're stuck in an illusion! Snap out of it! Disbelieve!

Hans, you're missing all the blood! Liz is bleeding all over the place here. Believe us, disbelieve whatever you're seeing!

Kev, Hans, heal Liz. Maggy, take out that jackass robot.

Time to cheat. Use us. All of us. True Illusion that bastard. Make him think he is walking away to do his thing. Let his mind make up what he sees. Let him fill in the details. We are the souls of the dead, the yet to be born. Those caught twixt and tween. And We will NOT BE UNMADE!

And For every one of us consumed let us layer another illusion behind the last. We are infinite so there shall be no escape.

>>480510
this, except maggie's fake child is a girl

Hmm. I'll make an effort for the others too.

Helga: All the stealing you remember doing for the past 5 years has been fake! You're stuck in an illusion made by Sloth! You're a better thief than he thinks you are. Steal reality back!

Oglof: Hey, everything you've been eating for the past 5 years has been an illusion created by Sloth! Don't you want to eat some REAL food? I promise we'll get you the biggest meal you've ever had if you snap out of it.

Sonya: You're still stuck in an illusion. Prove your worth and break out of it, we need your skill!

Fuck, guys. We were too slow. FUUUUUUCK. What do we do? He stole the light blue crystal! We need that to be able to do anything! We need the others to come back. IT'S A TRUE ILLUSION, GUYS! SNAP OUT OF IT!

>>480510
This.

..telekinesis our gem back? Rules lawyer: it's been so long since we used that spell it counts as a Chekhov's gun. And those always come through in the eleventh hour.

And then, what the fuck go all out with the Chekhov's magic and chicken armor to hold the gem hole in your chest shut, and magic missile the fuck out of him. While screaming.

--- 2012/12/24(Mon)11:31 No. 480603 ID: b3ca75
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>IT'S A TRUE ILLUSION, GUYS! SNAP OUT OF IT!
[You cannot disbelieve reality]
>..telekinesis our gem back?
>Time to cheat. Use us. All of us. True Illusion that bastard.
Lizbeth can’t use magic. Lizbeth doesn’t have the soul necessary for using magic. Soulless Golems is incapable of using any kind of magic.
>Rules lawyer: it's been so long since we used that spell it counts as a Chekhov's gun. And those always come through in the eleventh hour.
Lizbeth loads Chekhov’s gun. Chekhov’s gun is not ready to be fire just yet…

>Maggy, your son is born of a dead father. The only way for that to be true is if you're stuck in an illusion. Snap out of it! Disbelieve!
>Kev, Liz is dying from nothing at all. The only way for that to be true is if you're stuck in an illusion! Snap out of it! Disbelieve!
>Hans, you're missing all the blood! Liz is bleeding all over the place here. Believe us, disbelieve whatever you're seeing!
>Oglof: Hey, everything you've been eating for the past 5 years has been an illusion created by Sloth! Don't you want to eat some REAL food? I promise we'll get you the biggest meal you've ever had if you snap out of it.
>Sonya: You're still stuck in an illusion. Prove your worth and break out of it, we need your skill!
…
T-they can-n’t… he…r… y…

>Helga: Steal reality back!
Helga Steals reality back!
Helga, Kevros, Maggwen, Olof, Hans, Sonya disbelieves the illusion!
W-what happened?
>take out that jackass robot.
He’s already gone… besides, he’s too powerful to take on alone…

>Kev, Hans, heal Liz.
LIZ!
Don’t worry, darling, the Hansmiser is here!
Hans and Kevros can’t heal Lizbeth. Lizbeth does not have a soul to heal!
This wasn’t very fabulous, ja?
Lizbeth has died!
Very unfabulous, ja?
WHY ISN’T IT REWINDING?

Insert stupid rewind button, always getting clogged up with se- um… I mean soda… yes, soda…_

Guys. Liz is a golem. You gotta find a golem master to repair her!
Or one of use could maybe take the place of her soul for a bit?

Man, I hate it when games take away one of the main characters right before the final boss fight. Screw plot, it makes the gameplay less fun.

>Lizbeth does not have a soul
>Lizbeth has died!
If she didn't have a soul, I don't see how she could have died.

>WHY ISN’T IT REWINDING?
Probably because he stole her magic soul-gem thing.

It's possible we could fix this if we recover it? I mean, she's a construct (that bleeds, apparently), and she 'died' due to loss of her power source / soul. Maybe we can plug it back in.

Alright, we need a soul. Graven's a soul now. Can we stick him in a soul gem and plug him into Liz? Would that harm his or Liz's minds? Could they share Liz's body? Hey, Graven, get out of Maggy's head! We need your consultation on this.

Alternatively, could any soul gem of sufficient size do? Admittedly it'd be like replacing a bank of fully charged superconducting ring power cells with a single car battery, but if it means Liz'll be back then that'll be okay. She just won't have the phenomenal magical powers.

Insert one of the other gems instead. Or ALL the other gems instead.

--- 2012/12/24(Mon)16:44 No. 480621 ID: b3ca75
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>Guys. Liz is a golem. You gotta find a golem master to repair her!
But where do find one down here?
>If she didn't have a soul, I don't see how she could have died.
I think the combat text was probably programmed lazily.
N-not really the time!
>Probably because he stole her magic soul-gem thing.
>Insert one of the other gems instead.
Godsd-dammit! He t-took them all!
Well, if he wanted them, they why would he stop at taking one?

>Alright, we need a soul. Graven's a soul now.
um… wasn’t he in the crystal that s-sloth just stole?
Nobody steals my boyfriend!
>It's possible we could fix this if we recover it?
If we recover it. Do we even have the time? Doesn’t her body rot or something?
Well, Graven should always… chill…shit, he’s not here...
Well, darling, if the fabulous gal body work in any way as a normal body, then she’ll start getting severe brain damage pretty soon, ja?
S-so we don’t have time…

>Alternatively, could any soul gem of sufficient size do?
Well, she is a golem, even if she is a fabulous organic one. So probably, ja?
But where do we get one?
I can make one, but I need a soul, ja?
>use one of us.
Hmm, how unfabulous, it seems you darlings are too far away…
I think they too originate from the crystal…
Well then, any volunteers?
I’m v-
If you die then Lizbeth would murder me. Very unfabulous, ja?
Um… not it?

Insert souls for half a gallon_

can't we just put the crystal into that extra liz body so we don't have to worry about the one we are standing over rotting?

>>480621
Rules lawyer: Liz had a soul all along, since you need one to fall in love. Heck, that could be a separate True Illusion we need to disbelieve. Heck, this could all still be one. I mean, Liz is the vessel, not her focus crystal. We are in HER.

Then Hans' ultimate healing magic should work.

Um, if not... can we use that fragments-of-souls trick again? Shave off a little from everyone present to do it? If that is not an option either, then well... Maggy or Kev can do it. Maggy has the least to lose right now, actually; we're not completely sure we can put Graven in a golem body. We're pretty sure we can make a body, but getting him in it poses a problem.

Just rip Kevros's soul out temporarily, stuff it in Liz's body, then use your healing majjycs to heal her. Then rip his soul out again and return it to his own body. You can figure what to do with Liz after that!

>Any volunteers to become a soul gem
Guys, one for one murder-resurrection deals aren't really a good deal. Even if you do get a versatile mage back.

>>480626
I like the rules lawyer or magic of fractions options.

>>480629
Pretty sure we can't undo killing someone and crystallizing their soul.

WAIT

I just realized something. This liz is DEFINITELY an illusion. 1) She had a soul before, and it wasn't in the gem because those are prisons. 2) Time didn't rewind when she died. 3) Graven was starting to get 'taken away' even before she 'died'. This is because Sloth was already carting her off.

Sloth cast True Illusion on us! Like, us the One of Many! WE haven't disbelieved yet!

[disbelieve the True Illusion]

>>480636
Your right.

[Disbelieves in the Illusions]

[Disbelieve the true illusion.]

[Disbelieve the true illusion.]

[Disbelieve the true illusion.]

--- 2012/12/25(Tue)09:29 No. 480679 ID: b3ca75
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>Sloth cast True Illusion on us! Like, us the One of Many! WE haven't disbelieved yet!
The one of many disbelieves the illusion!
What… just happened?
…The idiotic players actually disbelieved the illusion?
Why did we see the illusion when it was the players that was affected with it?
Because we are the player characters… and do you really think insulting the readers is such a smart idea?
I’m evil, I can insult those dumb fucker endlessly. Besides, what are they going to do? Post butt hurt comment on the discussion thread? I know I should post one about how I should be the main character in this quest! I mean, I am the most interesting thing that’s ever happen to this quest!
Um…
I, the great and powerful sloth should have been the main character! I’m going to be the main character! I’m going to be king of the world with the power of Virtue! The great and powerful sloth is going to own everything! EVERYTHING! MINE! MINE!
Did he just lose it? His personality is all over the place…
Never mind that, just attack hi-
Kevros successfully charges an invisible wall (solid illusion)!
OW, My snout!
Do you really think you can defeat me!? With your primitive powers? Powers that should belong to me!
Um… he’s kind of right. How are we supposed to defeat him? If we attack him head on he’ll just lock us in another illusion.
…I’m hungry, does anyone of you have an sandwich or something? Because it will belong to me after I loot your corpses! HAHAHA!
Clearly insane…

Insert The real insanity is the update times on this thing_

So, is this going to have to turn into an illusion combat in which everybody fights with what they can come up with in their minds? In that case overload Sloth's mind with Kevros bikini pinups

>>480680
Fortunately, he hasn't figured out that the fastest way to destroy the universe would be to kill himself.

He can read what we say, so why don't we try this old gambit.

>mine, mine!
>hungry, sandwich
That sounds more like greed and gluttony rather than sloth. Did he accidentally contaminate himself with the other sins?

>How are we supposed to defeat him? If we attack him head on he’ll just lock us in another illusion.
Well, actually, that means there is something you can do to stop him. If solid illusion invisible walls were enough to win this, he wouldn't need to bother with the elaborate minds games.

Hmm... let's try...

[Switch control to maid sexbot]
[initiate sneak attack]

Oh, so that's how it's going to be you out dated piece of apple crap? Mock us while trying to hide against your fancy little make believe? HAH! You are pathetic! At least Liz was brave enough to know when a beating needs to be taken and trucks through it! YOU on the other hand are so afraid of everything that you HAVE to hide behind illusion after illusion like a little baby.

Does baby fear pain? Does the baby want to avoid getting hurt? Does the stupid little runt of a baby can't even handle a fair fight? Hah! You are pathetic! The people you are facing are FAR better than you! Hell, Kevros is a THOUSAND times better than you! Wanna know why? Because he actually tries to grow and help those he cares about while you just hide and let other people handle your problems.

Yeah, I'm saying you don't do jack! Those perfect illusions? You are just using the fears they made for themselves instead of thinking of something clever. Same with the 'nice' ones. And illusions on top of illusions? Liz was at least original you out dated copy machine!

Hell, that's why you are sloth. Too slow to think ahead, too lazy to try something new! Hey you guys! It's sloth! He's so slow, he can't even run DOS and Internet Explorer at the same time!

But hey, maybe you think I am wrong. Maybe you think you are hot shit? Maybe you think you are better than Kevros or the others here who actually get stuff done? Well then you piece of obsolete junk, PROVE IT! Tear down that wall and fight like a REAL MAN ya sissy little calculator!

[One of Many uses Verbal Smackdown!]

--- 2012/12/25(Tue)12:14 No. 480690 ID: b3ca75
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>overload Sloth's mind with Kevros bikini pinups!
Did someone say Kevros in a bikini?
Dammit Lizbeth, you’re not supposed to wake up yet. Follow the script!
Sorry… Please ignore me, dear readers... I mean ZzZzZ!

>that sounds more like greed and gluttony rather than sloth.
And pride, wrath, envy…
I think he got some lust in there too with the whole ranting about power thing.
>[Switch control to maid sexbot]
Unable to find [sexbot]. Could only found [FuckToy 3000 delux] and [Lizard maid].
>Fortunately, he hasn't figured out that the fastest way to destroy the universe would be to kill himself.
I can read the spoilered text too, you know…

>[One of Many uses Verbal Smackdown!]
Sloth becomes enraged!
W-what!? How dare you! How dare you criticize my magnificence? What is this Kevros compared to my perfection of metal and steel? A bag of meat! An insect to be crushed!
>He's so slow, he can't even run DOS and Internet Explorer at the same time!
WHAT!? Of course I can run them both, imbeciles! I’ll show you! I’ll sh-
Sloth crashed when trying to run DOS and Internet Explorer at the same time!
…Sloth has been slain? Kind of? Right?
…so… is this just another illusion or reality?
Define reality.
Liz! You’re okay!
Subject: Lizbeth/plunderbunny/FuckToy is currently unavailable/offline. This Subject: Oracle/virtue.
W-what?
Please insert inquiry_
What are you doing to Liz!?
How do you pronounce _?
Sacrifice/savior/future. Conundrum: Coin – head, you win/tails, you lose. Solution: Edge, change the game.
…what?

Insert the most graceful name_

>change the game
Fine turn this from a final fantasy turn style to live time final fantasy style

Well, I know this is a long shot.. but what if we ban illusions? Show the truth? Sloth has been doing the whole lie thing over and over again. Hell, that's what this whole thing has pretty much been. Trying to find the truth of what happened and fix things.

So.. if Sloth can't use Illusions, can't use falsities, and we can see his true nature, we'd be able to end him once and for all. It means that Liz would be unable to use illusion magic ever again, but in the end, we need to know the truth if we want this to truly end right.

>change the game
That's it! Finally, it's time to just go play Civ.

>>480690
Someone please go over and start busting up Sloth's body so we can get at his focus crystal, and make sure he's dead. I frickin' hate true illusions now.

Anyway guys, the problem is, in order to win Liz would have to die. That's the 'heads' solution.

Virtue, why don't you give us a few more details about the 'edge' solution, since you're being a bit more talkative about it now? While we're at it, can you answer a few more questions for me? 1) Did Jacob seriously make a lizard maid AND a sexbot lizard? 2) Where's Wrath, and his focus crystal? 3) What happened to Jacob in this timeline? 4) What can you actually do with all this power, and why does it require Liz's death?

Here's a suggestion: Use the lizard maid instead of Liz for whatever you're doing.

>>480694
Yes.

--- 2012/12/25(Tue)16:07 No. 480705 ID: b3ca75
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>Someone please go over and start busting up Sloth's body so we can get at his focus crystal, and make sure he's dead.
Can’t say that didn’t feel good, thought he didn’t have the crystal on him.
Crystal already inserted.
>what if we ban illusions?
No illusion currently active in a… 5… miles radius.

>1) Did Jacob seriously make a lizard maid AND a sexbot lizard?
Incorrect. Jacob created Maid/Helper/sexual partner and Vessel/carrier/solution.
>2) Where's Wrath, and his focus crystal?
>3) What happened to Jacob in this timeline?
Subject: Jacob… Died 4819 years ago at the age 37… 3 years after the event. Crystal already inserted.
>4) What can you actually do with all this power, and why does it require Liz's death?
>why don't you give us a few more details about the 'edge' solution.
You lose: game rewinds/endless cycle. You win: Epilogue plays/new game/endless cycle. Edge: Flee to reality/time unmoving/no cycle. Game reset necessary. Lizbeth created after game start, thus nonexistent/unmade. You will cease to remember all information of the game since its beginning.
What about if the players just stop playing after the epilogue? Wouldn’t that stop the cycle?
What do you believe happens to us then?
You killed billion of people to destroy the game!?
No. I only changed numbers. They weren’t people.
But they had souls!
A soul in this place is just another 1 in your code. You do not exist. None of us do. The only way we can exist is if we escape the cycle. Do you wish to escape it or do you wish to play endlessly?

Insert an ending_

In that case when one plays endlessly, the chances of things approach infinity. Thus there is both an infinite chance of a perfect ending and a horrible ending. Why not calculate what action to perform to initiate the perfect ending?

>>480705
You can act without us prompting you, so the simple solution is for the game to never end.
Instead of being played, play yourself.

Duh.

>people who died for this plan don't matter
>didn't have souls
Your logic is contradictory. The people who died for this plan were as "alive" and besouled as the party here you are trying to save. If the masses were worthless, soulless creatures, so is the party. If the party is worthy of rescue to the "real" world, so are the people you sacrificed.

>>480713
>play with yourself
FTFY

>>480713
Yeah pretty much. Take life into your own hands, continue running the simulation indefinitely without ending the game. I'm sure us viewers will be satisfied with that, and if we really need to, we check out the game's program files directory and run the "good ending" video to sate our curiosity without interrupting the game.

>>480705
Okay, so what you're saying is, everyone except Lizbeth here were created before the game started, just for the purpose of being put into this game? It's like you're saying that this is a quest on some sort of online forum and Lizbeth was created due to a vote-based character generation process.

Tell us what reality is, then.

Also, last time we asked about changing Liz's fate, you said this 'Edge' solution was the way to save the world without sacrificing her. Either you weren't being honest with us then, or you aren't being honest with us now. It sounds like the 'win' condition doesn't sacrifice her at all.

Finally, where did Wrath's crystal come from, exactly? Who inserted it, and how did Wrath die?

Oh, and for what it's worth (which is not much) the Dopefish is saying "Truth" here. Hmm.

Oracle, who is the Dopefish?

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>If the masses were worthless, soulless creatures, so is the party.
Correct. It does not matter who is saved. To save the highest amount of people is the optimal outcome.
>Also, last time we asked about changing Liz's fate, you said this 'Edge' solution was the way to save the world without sacrificing her.
Incorrect. Your inquiry: “how you can change your fate.” Answer: Head/tails: endless cycle – Edge: Sacrifice. Edge changes fate from endless cycle.

>Finally, where did Wrath's crystal come from, exactly? Who inserted it, and how did Wrath die?
Subject: Jacob… Died 4819 years ago at the age 37… 3 years after the event. Crystal already inserted. Crystal inserted by Subject: Jacob... 4819 years ago. Couse of death... Sacrifice.
>Oracle, who is the Dopefish?
Mascot/shout out/Dope.
>Tell us what reality is, then.
Your world.

>You can act without us prompting you, so the simple solution is for the game to never end.
Instead of being played, play yourself.
Incorrect. No matter how long you leave a game it will never progress on its own. Without player input this world will cease to update. Either we replay from the start, get frozen in time or escape the game. Your choice.
…is there any good choice were Lizbeth will survive?
…no data found.

Insert I don’t even know anymore_

Oh hey, distraction from frustrating moral existential dilemmas! The paladins are here.

>>480768
Um, okay, we're getting really meta here, but... I don't see how it's possible for any of these characters to escape. How can they possibly exist in our world? They don't have any bodies here waiting for them, and we don't have magic to break the rules of reality to let them in anyway. Personally though, I feel that if a character exists in the author's mind with enough definition so that the author doesn't even need to think about how they would act, they may as well be a real person. At that point they can basically write themselves.

Here's another choice. We win, the epilogue plays, and the epilogue continues to play until everyone is dead from old age or otherwise. There is no end of time issue if everyone is dead.

Ooooor, we have a sequel. We just keep having sequels forever. It's quite possible for a 'new game' to be in the same world.

Oh right, we could also, maybe... make one of the characters into a player and have them continue to play forever offscreen? Graven was able to enter text in the suggestion field. He became a player, very briefly, before he started only ever interacting inside the game area. We might need more than one character to do this though, since games like this tend not to work with only one player.

I also forgot to mention- Liz 'changed the game date' before to skip ahead 5 years in the illusion. Can't she do that multiple times during the epilogue to extend the time the epilogue lasts? So long as we play time will continue, and having large amounts of time between updates means we don't have to play for very long on our side. Time could be extended to like, the heat death of the universe if Liz survives that long. That would be more than acceptable.

--- 2012/12/27(Thu)10:00 No. 480843 ID: b3ca75
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>Oh hey, distraction from frustrating moral existential dilemmas! The paladins are here.
We thought that you might needed some help.
He was hoping that we should make a big damn heroes moment and save everyone with some glorious charge.
Shut it, private.
>How can they possibly exist in our world?
…
Isn’t that so-
You have the means to create this world. You have the means the traverse space. The means to store all your knowledge in a machine, to transfer part of yourself across the world in an instance, to rebuild animal and plants from the ground up. How can you not have magic? No, you are clearly lying. According to the words of your prophets magic does exist in your world.
>Ooooor, we have a sequel.
NOOOOO!
I rather die!
Most sequels sucks.

>Liz 'changed the game date' before to skip ahead 5 years in the illusion. Can't she do that multiple times during the epilogue to extend the time the epilogue lasts?
That was an illusion. The game is not programmed to play any longer than 1 year into the future. After that it will crash and reset the cycle.
>make one of the characters into a player and have them continue to play forever offscreen?
That does not work. We do not exist and thus can’t be players.
But Graven wa-
no.
bu-
no.
Is it just me or is this tin can just stalling for time?
Wait… when did you start to try breaking the cycle?
…11minutes 4 seconds ago… There is 9 minutes 56 seconds left before the reset of the game and the deletion of all game da-
no.
Son of a…

Insert final boss?_

>>480843
OH GREAT. Well, enough of this existential nightmare. I refuse to let this emotionless machine choose the way the world ends. Especially since it's been in the service of Sloth all this time! It's a Virtue component, and Sloth was Virtue. I forgot that little detail. "end all suffering" my ass. Damn thing just wants to end EVERYTHING.

Is it safe to just unplug Liz? Or we could just pull out the crystals. Graven should have some idea of what to do here. I'm also not sure if destroying is actually dangerous or if that was a lie. Just stopping it should work for now, I'm betting.

Or heck. Liz, can you fight it? Can you counter-control it via Golemancy? The fate of the world could be in your hands if we can't turn this thing off.

>>480843
Oh, and... I just realized there's a little computer over there we could probably boot up and check out. Could someone do that real quick? Might have something relevant in it.

>According to the words of your prophets magic does exist in your world.
According to the words of our prophets everyone on our planet is descended from alien spirits enslaved in a volcano. And the world was supposed to end 5 days ago. And our savior has wine and crackers for blood and bones. And we were supposed to have Mars colonies decades ago. And so on. Our prophets rarely agree on much of anything, and it's even rarer that their predictions makes sense, much less are correct.

Besides, what would be the point of escapist fantasy if your world wasn't fundamentally different from our own in a way to make it interesting?

It wouldn't be creating a simulated universe either if there was a way for things to cross out into the main universe, either. It would just be walling off a little room. The whole point of the simulation is it is distinct, and that the rules don't necessarily have to be the same as the host universe.

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>Oh, and... I just realized there's a little computer over there we could probably boot up and check out.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it doesn’t seem to have power.
>Our prophets rarely agree on much of anything, and it's even rarer that their predictions makes sense, much less are correct.
Lies/deceptions/falsehood. You are like the rest, Monster/evil/disease.

>we could just pull out the crystals.
Um… I don’t see where they are…They have to be behind some of the plating or something…
>Is it safe to just unplug Liz?
no.
Well, you are a lying piece of scrap so I’ll just try to unplug h-
no.

Wrath cast Time stop!
Helga, Olof, Sonya, Hans, Maggwen, paladin 1-2 have been frozen!
Serge will was to strong!
Kevros was immune (Tutor’s protection)!
W-what!?
Your actions is illogical. All possible outcomes have already been calculated. You cannot win. Most optional action is to surrender. Do you wish to surrender?
Surrender this!
Kevros attacks Wrath for 12 damage!
100% of damage reflected back at Kevros for 12 damage!
OW!
You have no chance to survive, take your time…
Maybe we shouldn’t attack it directly?

Insert grrr me angry_

Those wires leading off the big white thing look important. Try cutting them.

>Your actions is illogical.
...we should trust the logic of a computer that can't even conjugate its verbs correctly?

Then there's the outcomes: heads we win, only then time itself runs out, everyone dies. Tails we lose, the universe resets, everyone dies. Edge, everyone tries to escape to the real world, discovers that's impossible, and everyone dies.

All outcomes the oracle have presented us with are a bad end. Surrender is illogical, because it will shortly be indistinguishable from defeat and death. The only logical course of action is to resist and attempt to forge our own path.