Sounds good, not what I wanted but at least this way we can hopefully have everoyne survive.

The instant the stage starts the first two testers should begin of course.

Make sure one your 3 leaders is carrying the spare shopkeep memory locket. Scanner's the most likely to trigger a shopkeep appearance right? No offense to her, but scan is something the game messes up from time to time.

Distribute any extra freeroam tools to people headed in. Grappling hook etc doesn't help you in the dream.

Hug everyone risking themselves and wish them luck. You'd be right there with them if you didn't have to worry about risking everyone in the dream house.

(...do Scanner and Healer even have weapons? I can't remember what they are. Hmmm. Make healer's ribbons prehensile. XD )

Alison 2012/08/28(Tue)15:26 No. 448877 ID: f09b71
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Alison makes sure that Scanner is holding the spare shopkeep memory locket, and everyone that is going into the safe zone is hugged wished well by Alison.

She waits by until she gets summoned by her assigned three runners simultaneously.

Recluse says there is a note here.

The door is unlocked, and may be opened at any time. However, doing so immediately will trigger a 100% death trap. To deactivate this, all remote buttons must be found and pressed. One of them is attached to this note. There are an unknown number of buttons. If a mere one of them remains active when the door is opened, the individual will die. Time will not be standardized, and so people who successfully leave the room quickly will have a head start over those who spend a great deal of time here.

Novelty items:
Recluse: Bucket, Screwdriver, Hammer, Extendable Pole
Scanner: Grappling Hook, Bucket, Pickaxe, Pen
Healer: Three Sided Die, Bucket, Notebook, Pencil

Push button, then search under the carpet, behind the painting, on top of the shelf, then try investigating the panels on the far wall.

Easiest thing I can think of... bypass the door, go through a wall. But that might trigger the death-trap too.

Alright possible places. Rug, paintings, floorboards, books, ceiling panel, Wall panels shelf above door.

>Three Sided Die
I'm sure this will prove incredibly useful.

>Puzzle
Well, we have an advantage here. We have multiple people searching in parallel who can share results, so we can find all the buttons faster. And we can stagger exits, so fuck ups don't kill everyone.

Also, as a ghost, Alison can probably float around at look for buttons too, even if she can't push them. Especially in higher up parts of the room, or if she ghost through things to look behind them.

>places to check (split between people).
under the rug, behind the painting, 3 wall panels, ceiling panels, underside of the shelf, top of the shelf/awning above the door, behind the books, inside the books (like the classic booze in a cutout book). Probably fastest to knock the books off the selves, really. And the 4th wall we can't see, of course.

Pay attention to differences in the rooms. It's possible the button hiding spots will be randomized. I'd expect the number of buttons to be the same though. All we know for now is the pictures are different.

Oh, and the suspicious space where there should be a 4th wall panel, but there isn't.

Looking for floorboards to pull up and secret compartments in the walls / ceiling will be pretty time consuming, I'm really hoping Alison can just ghost through solid objects and look around.

Well this should be fast, being able to have people search multiple spots at once.

Scanner can climb onto the shelf above the door.
Recluse can poke the Ceiling panel with the extendable pole.
Healer can search under the rug; the underside of the rug might be a good place to check, too.
Atlas and Mako can start pulling down books, Atlas starting from the left side and Mako starting from the right side. There may be buttons inside some of the books, so they should take a moment to open each one to see if it's hollow inside.

Arbiter, Engineer, Mathematician, and Chief can have the rest of their people search whatever's left.

The pictures being different is rather conspicuous, but it's too early to tell if there's something significant about that.

And I notice we can only see three walls. Is the fourth one featureless?

Alison 2012/08/28(Tue)17:24 No. 448921 ID: f09b71
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All 3 push their buttons then move on. Alison notes that only three of the walls have features, and the fourth wall may as well be invisible to Alison.

Scanner checks the painting. It opens up like a door on a hinge. There is another painting behind it.

Healer checks the Rug. There is a glass pane underneath, with blocks and the button panel. An inscription says that she can slide the blocks around by making contact with the glass like a touch screen, and has to get the button panel out of the exit. And other blocks will not be allowed to pass through the exit, only the button panel. Each time a single block is moved, one turn is taken, but a single piece can be moved multiple tiles in a single turn. No rotations are allowed.

Recluse investigates the panel, namely the area where it looks like there should be one. It opens, and he finds a compartment that has button found. He now has 2.

Alison tries to move around, but she can't move through the walls to investigate. For those purposes, she appears solid.

The Fourth Wall 2012/08/28(Tue)17:30 No. 448930 ID: f09b71
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Handy dandy number reference system for solution proposals.

5: up one, left all the way
3: up three
7: up three, left 2
6: right 2, up 5
B: right 5 up 2 right out

At this point Alison should check in with the other leaders and exchange findings since it will take a few 'turns' to have everyone solve the Rug Puzzle and get hidden panel.

Healer solves her puzzle then checks for the hidden panel Recluse found. She should then check her paintings, and take over for Scanner in seeing how deep they go. If it doesn't go deeper she should observe how they differ... and if nothing can be gleaned further rip the paintings out from the frames they are in.

Scanner should get both buttons then go check the high shelf with her grappling hook.

Recluse should solve the Rug Puzzle. Once that is done he should start tapping ceiling panels with his entendable pole.

>>448935
This.


Scanner: Try opening that painting.
Recluse: Do rug puzzle
Alison: Try to see if there's anything on the shelf above the door.

And, of course, confer with everyone else to see if there's a spot we don't need to check.

Yeah, Alison should pass discovered buttons on to fellow coordinators, and see if they've found any others.

We need to check if the rooms are identical or not. Scanner check to see if she has a button where Recluse did, Recluse check if he has a puzzle under the rug like Healer (and if so, see if it's the same puzzle!). Healer should solve her puzzle. o's solution should work.

Alison also float up, check on top of the shelves and the thing above the door. Peer behind the books if you can manage it.

The book with the L on it seems particularly suspicious, especially because of the falling L block from behind Scanner's painting.

>>448958
Which book has an L on it? I don't see it. All I notice about the books is that there appears to be an identical set in each room, right down to the sizes, order, and squiggles titles. Which is unusual, in that in the past we've seen duplicate chambers with non-identical books (math books written by different authors, etc).

Scanner: pee through the painting's eyeholes.

Might as well have one of them knock all the books off the shelf after the floor on which they'd fall has been checked over.

Polo 2012/08/29(Wed)08:09 No. 449143 ID: f09b71
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With Alison's solution to the block puzzle, it will take 5 turns to complete.

Scanner opens another painting.
Recluse takes a turn removing the rug to begin solving the rug puzzle.
Healer begins solving the rug puzzle.

Outside progress:
Duelist has found a button on the shelf above the door. Throwing something at the shelf should be enough to knock it down.
Guardsman has found a hidden floor panel near the opposite corner of the door.
Aside from the paintings, the room, even the books, appear identical.

Time to flip through another painting while the others solve those puzzles, if it goes more then 10 deep it might be a time waster though.

How goes the Dream Experiments?

No way to know if there's a button behind all the paintings, or if they're just a time trap. And I can't make out a clue or message from the progression of images.

Let's try climbing up on to the bookshelf (grappling hook!), and knocking the books down. There might be a button behind the books, or hidden inside a compartment cut out inside a book (knocking them down will reveal that faster than flipping through them).

1/2 Alison 2012/08/29(Wed)09:01 No. 449157 ID: f09b71
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Scanner uses her grappling hook to hook a book at the end, and starts pulling all of the books down. In the end, there isn't anything behind the books on the wall, but one of the books was actually a disguised box with one panel inside.

Outside Progress:
The Bandit has found that the double panel at the ceiling can be pushed upward, and a button will fall out.

Experiment Progress
> A tier 2 should immediately try to sleep upon entering the stage.
They are unable to sleep in a stage.
>A tier 2 should try to sleep from the Dream once the stage starts.
They enter the stage, having a late start based on how long they took to get to sleep.

2/2 Alison 2012/08/29(Wed)09:01 No. 449158 ID: f09b71
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Scanner returns to opening more paintings.

Alright, there are suspiciously shaped objects in each painting after the first... can Scanner see if she can pick them up? They look like tetris blocks to me.

>Dream Experiments
Good news... we can recieve reinforcements. Bad news: They'll have to start from the start and they have to leave the normal way.

Make a note of which book had the button in it (check the title). That way the other people can find it faster.

>tier2 experiments
So you can enter the stage from the dream house, but not exit. Being behind shouldn't hurt them much, since we can pass the button locations on to them. Our competition is working solo.

I supposes King could have done the same thing, except he'd be dependent on actual ghosts (no safe house), and he might not be able to pass ghost talk around as easily as us if he lacks a merchant (as an ex-admin, he may still have a shopkeep baron loyal to him though).

>Painting loop
Do the paintings actually have a solid back, or are they just canvas in a frame? Because if they're canvas, you can just punch through them all at once, to the secret compartment in the back, if there is one.

Just tear through with the pickaxe already. One swing will go through like 10 paintings.

>buttons so far (7)
Door (freebie)
Door shelf
Inside book
Missing wall panel
Puzzle under rug
Hidden floor panel in the corner
Ceiling Panel

Maybe the suspicious parts of the painting are the clues for a safe behind all of the paintings. If it turns out they're important and we just smash through the paintings, we could end up kinda screwed.

>>449237
I suppose. Easy way to check- if the blocks in the paintings are significant, they should appear in the other rooms.

Alison 2012/08/29(Wed)14:04 No. 449268 ID: f09b71
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Scanner inspects the out of place blocks from before, and tries to pick them up. It comes right off, and turns into a quarter piece of a button panel.

On the outside, Clarence has just realized this as well. It appears that while the paintings are still different, there is always one piece of panel for each painting past the first.

That's probably all the buttons, unless there are more secret compartments. But I don't see any places for that jump out. Good on Gaudsman for finding the one in the floor in the corner- I don't see any hint of it there.

...he just started hacking up the room looking for hiding spots, didn't he.

Let's spent some turns having everyone get all 8 of the buttons we've found so far. We'll see if anyone lucks into a new discovery in the process.

Gather all the pieces needed... then just to be paranoid check behind painting 5.

I think that covers everything we can check so have a Tester gather all 8 buttons and then open the door. Everyone else should also be gathering the buttons of course. While we wait the people finished with gathering the buttons can check the room over once more or browse the book titles for anything interesting for our Library. Our Tier 2s should have plenty of space.

Have we checked those three panels(?) under the bookshelf?

We also haven't done anything with the ceiling, or that shelf up above the door. Might as well check those out, this is probably the point at which the system starts trying harder to kill everyone.

Ceiling was poked by Bandit, Shelf was checked by Mako. The only place that hasn't been mentioned is the fourth wall and those panels and I think Recluse checked those when he found that hidden panel.

Alison 2012/08/29(Wed)19:27 No. 449369 ID: f09b71
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>Guardsman just started hacking up the room looking for hiding spots, didn't he
Chief confirms this to be true.

Found Buttons:
Door Freebie
Painting Combination
Hidden Panel
Shelf Above the Door
Rug Puzzle
Double Panel Ceiling
Floor Panel
Secret Book

Recluse and Healer have all of those, and Scanner is a couple of turns behind due to needing to backtrack a couple of paintings. Invisible forces beyond her understanding, i.e. the system, prevent more than one painting being turned at a time. There is nothing at the end of the 5 paintings.

The Arbiter also reports that there is nothing in the 3 visible panels underneath the bookshelves. No other buttons have been found, but he is not certain that these are all of the buttons. After all, the survival rate is to be 1% this stage, so the difficulty may be ramped up. Alison may want to direct them further, or simply let them search on their own if she doesn't have one test out opening the door.

Check the rest of the books, other then that I can't think of anything else. In any case spend no more then 5 turns having people search for additional buttons. This will be sped up by coordinating between leaders so no one repeats. Also in case the game gets tricky have everyone check their inventories.

This is the first room however and I bet the hidden floor panel trips lots of people up since it isn't obvious.

Oh Gaurdsman, you are a persistent scamp, aren't you.

We can afford a little more time before we risk a life. Working in concert, we're still probably ahead of all but the luckiest solo players. Might as well check the remainder of the books. Check the secret panels for a second secret panel inside the secret panels. Let people poke around on their own initiate a little (and let Gaurdsmen finish making kindling of his room).

Check your inventory, and your special inventory to see if the system hid a button on your person. Check inside the buckets you all have.

Gaurdsman is a loose cannon, but hes our loose cannon. I don't regret making him tier 3 even if I did do it for Scanner.

check the 4th wall

Heh, it's a good thing we brought Guardsman, or else we would have lost a tier 2 testing the door before we thought to just tear the room apart.

>>449376
If by "search" you mean "tear the room apart because there aren't any obvious spots left", then this looks good. Have a tier 2 test the door before anyone else opens it, of course.

I just realized that the mechanics of this room mean there's going to be a lot of people who won't even get the chance to be absorbed.

Alison 2012/08/29(Wed)20:01 No. 449393 ID: f09b71
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>Check the books

>No more than 5 turn searching
After 3 turns of additional searching, Recluse finds a floorboard that guardsman must have missed, as there was one right by the door as well.

>Check Inventory
Standard inventory did yield an additional button.

>The fourth wall
It has nothing.

Outside:
Guardsman finds one Hidden Wall panel right above the first hidden floor panel!

Total buttons located: 11

Two more turns pass without finding anything.

Well... 11 is prime. And if you ignore the freebie, that means we found a nice round 10. It's certainly tempting to hope we got them all. (Too bad we didn't leave a log for this room, huh?).

Continue coordinated searching until the stragglers have completed their puzzles. Then I guess we can risk someone?

...wait. The ghosts are solid here. Check that there's not a button hidden on or in the ghost coordinators. Say "Aah", Alison.

... Wait no one has checked the door!

>>449409
... Yeah, sure, check the door for a hidden panel. If there's a button there, though, then there's going to be a lot of ghosts lost this stage.

>>449401
(Too bad we didn't leave a log for this room, huh?)

We totally did. Didn't you see it?

>ALISON #933 - NO THEY AREN'T, PUZZLES ARE PROBABLY RANDOMATED. STAGE 9 HAD MEAT GRINDERS FOR ME.

See? Randomated puzzles

>>449418
Well, it all depends what elements are randomated randomized. It's kind of a moot point at this moment though.

>>449409
Yes, this, but be very friggen careful not to open in. Not a job for Gaurdsman.

>>449401
If ghosts are solid here, can a ghost press the button? It's probably a good idea to test this before someone alive presses the button.

Alison 2012/08/30(Thu)10:28 No. 449586 ID: f09b71
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>Check, not open, the door
>Check the Ghost
Neither the door nor Alison has a hidden button, and it may be time to test out opening a doorway. Mathematician says he can use one of the tier 2's that have already done their part of the experiment as a test subject, or rather himself to try to push the button in his room, if Alison is absolutely sure she hasn't forgotten to check anything.

How thoroughly did we check the ceiling? Also check in each secret panel for false backing \ sides.

>>449590
Yeah, make sure we checked the other ceiling panels, and absolutely check the secret compartments for a second layer of secret compartments.

...can the rug puzzle be pick or pried up off the floor? Is there a button hidden under it?

Short of going Gaurdsman's route and systematically destroying the entire room, I don't see any other good places to search.

>Mathematician says he can use one of the tier 2's
Well, um, alright, since they suggested it. Strategically, it makes the most sense to risk one of them, but I was leery to suggest it myself, after our previous stance on hard positions (probably would have defaulted to asking for a volunteer, or rolled the dice).

>or rather himself to try to push the button in his room
I'll assume this is poor wording. Math doesn't have a room- he's in the dream house running ops with Alison, Arbiter, Engineer and Chief.

Alison 2012/08/30(Thu)11:02 No. 449599 ID: f09b71
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>or rather himself to try to push the button in his room
>assuming this is poor wording.
A correct assumption. The tier 2 that is conjuring mathematician's ghost will attempt to open the door.

>Check secret panels for secret secret panels
The painting and the rug puzzle are clear, but the back wall's hidden panel that recluse first found had a panel behind that as well. The ceiling panel nearest the door also was able to be lifted and shifted to the side, to bring the button count to 13.

A couple turns are spent searching while some others catch up, but nothing can be found, so a tier 2 science subject opens the door. Mathematician reports that it is clear.

Lucky 13.

>It's clear.
Yay! We made it through without killing anyone! Sweet.

...just to be on the safe side, stagger the next few exits before everyone goes through at once. Just out of the paranoid fear that the button count isn't constant.

Alison 2012/08/30(Thu)11:36 No. 449610 ID: f09b71
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>Stagger the next few exits
Clarence and Atlas leave next, and more will leave the turn after.

The shopkeep shows up. He says hey. How's it going. He couldn't help but notice how fast a batch of people managed to find all the buttons, and how almost all of them just so happened to be Alison's bunch. Well, it wasn't him who noticed, but still.

Wow, thanks for the confirmation that that was ALL of the buttons--we were still wondering if we'd missed any, but this is a nice tip from his boss that we got'm all, yup.

Sucks to be his boss if he didn't MEAN to tip us off, but such is life.

Speaking of, does he know if it's still sixer who we're dealing with~?
Hi Sixer~

Well, she HAS only spent this entire game gathering a bunch of intelligent and cooperative people together. It's not that surprising.

Doesn't he have other things he should be doing? Besides distracting players during a timed challenge, that is?

"Hello, Shopkeep. Since you're standing in front of me in three separate places, I think you can figure out how we did it."

...actually, does that do anything funny? Excluding Smuggler, we've never had an instance of multiple Shopkeeps face to face with Alison. They're all running the same memories.

Do you still have your locket? If not, have Scanner offer the new one.

Alison 2012/08/30(Thu)11:56 No. 449619 ID: f09b71
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Alison asks if he knows it's Sixer that sent him, but the shopkeep doesn't know who that is. Just someone up top, he says. Apparently someone named sixer. Still, Alison mentions that she is on a time trial here. She does tell the scanner to show him the locket however, and he takes a look. Sure is a lot of people he's familiar with, as it turns out.

Shopkeep says yeah, he's frozen time for this conversation. Still, this Sixer fellow must feel that Alison might have cheated, but seeing her as a ghost on all these people is --

Wait a second, Alison isn't dead, he wants to know why she's a ghost!

A god let me do it. Give a sad smile as you say this.

>>449619
"A favor from the top. I don't mean high up, I mean the top."

Is Alison having the exact same conversation in three places at once? Is Shopkeep "remembering" his simultaneous interactions with the alternate Alison ghosts in real time, or is each of the three isolated from the others?

>Alison isn't dead, he wants to know why she's a ghost!
...how can you tell that I'm not dead?

But yes, you're right. I'm not dead- I'm asleep. I did invite you to my dream house, remember? Sixer knows too.

Don't just show him the locket. See if he still has the first one. If he doesn't, give him the new one.

>>449619
Someone that's part of the CAI gave me the ability to do so where from where I'm currently located.
A machine that can do so.
Others and I can emulate a dead status now, the conditions and programming have been all been met legally, but now we don't actually have to be dead for it to work. It's not a glitch in the system, or a flaw, it is effectively a perfectly legal loophole in the system and no amount of programming or rewriting rules could ever change what we are doing right now. We have saw through the entire system and can do these things now. The only way to stop us effectively now is to stop the competition entirely and stop making further stages. The game has changed, shopkeeper. End it now, or accept it.
The god of the system has allowed us to do this. There is no way around it.

Ask him how ghost talk works!

Don't say anything as he explains, just smile, and shake your head if he messes up a point, like if he says it lets you talk to [just]/dead/ people....

>>449632
Actually, I really like this approach.

Although, even after he realizes you can use ghost talk to summon sleeping people, he's going to ask how we've managed to avoid the stage, and how/where we're asleep, since the stages don't allow it. At this point, we fall back on

>>449621
And see if we get a response.

Alison 2012/08/30(Thu)12:30 No. 449636 ID: f09b71
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>Is Alison having the exact same conversation in three places at once?
Right now, the shopkeep by the scanner is the one talking. Nevertheless, he is aware of the other two copies that are hanging around.

The shopkeep also did not have his inventory move from the safe zone to the stage, so Alison gives him the new locket. He thanks her.

Alison says it was granted to her by not just high up, but the absolute top, like part of the CAI or a god or some equivelent. She asks how the shopkeep knows she's not dead, and her answer is that there are generally records of when there is a death. Also, he saw in her the safe zone something like 5 minutes before the stage started! She probably didn't trip over a rock onto a white glove, dueled a nearby dude and lost! On being asked how ghost talk works, the shopkeep says certainly not like this.

It's all well and good, shopkeep continues, but no, see, this would be okay if Alison were dead, then these three guys could summon her and communicate and have a legitimate edge here but this is very wrong. So something's gotta be done. In return, Alison argues that this is a perfectly legal loophole, and that she is legally able to be a ghost while alive.

Shopkeep says he's going to level with Alison. Just, right now, tell her what is up. Normal procedure would involve completely blocking any and all ghost talk out of stage 6. But the higher up is kind of on good terms with Alison, and it may be time for special treatment. But moreso, everyone of Alison's is already way ahead of almost everyone else, so quite frankly unless Alison tells her people to fight each other, they're going to have some smooth sailing for the remaining stage on a whole since the damage is done.

Yes, it is legal right now so Alison will get off clean for this, but this is obviously not the first time loopholes have been exploited and patched up by the system. Again, he's just the messenger, the higher ups are the ones who decide whether or not to change the rules or just outright make new ones and all. But something's gonna be done about this for sure, probably something extreme, but for right now Alison can just have a free pass through the stage for this. That is, everyone of Alison's will complete the stage. No problem, just come right out on top, free ride and all. They can stay if they want, but Alison won't be allowed to be a living ghost. That's not cool. Or some people complete and some people stay, that's cool.

...if we take the free ride, we can't orchestrate an overload of the exit. We also miss out on any new secrets or information that might be hidden in the stage.

We could get the tier 2 testers out, I suppose. They've severed their purpose.

I suppose the logical thing to do would be to cut ghost talk have the team continue on, cooperate with King's people, and overload the exit. If we want to retain control, possibly ask if Alison could keep one ghost active? That or she enters late and rushes the room since we already have the solution.

...if the whole problem is with living ghosts, we could just swap our four coordinators out for people who are actually dead. We're all connected recursively, and we have plenty of ghosts in the pot. Call over Radmin, Mouse, and two other dead peeps to take over.

>>449636
Point out coordinating with ghost talk has always been possible. Sure there is a three ghost limit but that can easily be worked around. The only difference is that Alison is not dead.

If hes interested heres how to go about it.

Person A summons Ghost A, B, C
Person B summons Ghost A, D, E
Person C summons Ghost A, F, G
Person D Summons Ghost C, H, I
Person E Summons Ghost D, J, K
etc.

Well you get the point... each ghost relays the information to the other ghosts in the chain, and tada well coordinated teams without any cheating what-so-ever

We were planning on overloading the stage exits, so if we can, like, take up no exit slots or something by doing this that's cool; otherwise we'll probably want some people to stay and help organize the overload.

But yeah, we won't do the living ghost gig next stage if that's the deal the higherups want to strike--but we would like access to the stage seven sys-admin area. We have another keycard, and we want to know what it says. Sixxer can be there for the unveiling, if he's as curious as we are~

Alison 2012/08/30(Thu)13:01 No. 449654 ID: f09b71
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Alison reminds him that coordinating with ghost talk has always been possible, so she could just have her people summon one of Alison's dead people. Shopkeep says that is okay, she just won't be allowed to have a single instance of herself here as a ghost.

>Not take up exit slots
Oh, yeah, Shopkeep didn't mention it, but since it's a free ride, there would still be 100 more contestants that can exit. Alison's people wouldn't take up any exit slots, if she'd prefer to do it that way.

done

ask about meeting in the admin area of S7

we have that keycard, gotta see what's on it

So instead of Alison manifesting as a ghost we can just use the people who are dead already.... while Alison sits there doing nothing but give advice *sigh*

I say we agree to the terms. We don't want to get absorb deleted early!

We'll agree to pull our living ghosts, but we'll replace them with dead ghosts if there are no objections. The tier2 testers can get a free pass, the others will stay behind to overload the exit and save as many others as possible. And to stay alert for more clues we can use.

Reorganize with real-ghosts:
Mouse: Recluse, Scanner, Healer
Radmin: Atlas, Mako, Bandit
Watcher: Clarence, Gambler, Guardsman

(not a lot of people we know personally to use as ghosts, even though we've got thousands of 'em).

If they need help for puzzles, they can still talk to Alison (and us), just through an intermediary.

Pass along word through Shopkeep to Sixer that Alison would like to talk once we reach the stage 7 safe zone.

...apologize for causing so much trouble, and thank him for being reasonable. We don't mean to make Shopkeep's life difficult, but we're committed to saving people, any way we can. That's not going to change.

If we wanted free passes, we would have just asked everyone to chill out in our home. If anyone wants to leave now they're free to, but I'd prefer for people to remain there to organize the exit overloading and absorb anyone who dies.

Ask Shopkeep if he remembers how we said we wanted to speak to the manager, and how we succeeded in meeting our administrator despite that not being something that could be done. When he says yes, tell him that we would like to visit the upper echelon. But not yet! First, we want to have someone use our S. 7 keycard and see if we get any new logs from it. But after we do that, we are definitely finding a way up there. And if anyone in the upper echelon can hear this, before they set up a welcome party for us we'd like them to take a moment to consider what generally happens to people who try to kill us, and how we normally respond when people try to be peaceable with us. And if they still have a problem with us being there, they should just keep in mind that as a contestant our job is to survive, and right now everyone, contestant and system personnel alike, is looking at a chance of survival of exactly 0%, and since that is clearly not the intent of the contest it is therefore their job to see to it that that changes, even if it means changing or breaking a bunch of other rules in the process.

>>449714
Nicely worded.

>>449654
Okay, just tell him that we'll be fine with having those who are dead doing the coordinating if that will prevent any drastic measures against Ghost Talk. That is perfectly normal and would give us essentially the same edge.

We don't want to use a free pass like this.

Alison 2012/08/30(Thu)21:12 No. 449857 ID: f09b71
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Alison asks shopkeep if he remembers how she said she wanted to speak to the manager, and ended up managing to do so. Shopkeep did know of that, yes. Alison continues that this time, she would like to visit the upper echelon, but not yet. She wants someone to use the S. 7 card for more logs, then she'll be going up there. And if the upper echelon can hear her, she'd like them to consider what happens to those who have tried to kill them versus what happens when they are peaceable. That is if it is at all possible to co-exist, as there has been some evidence to the contrary, but not nearly enough for Alison to settle with it.

>Pass along word through shopkeep to sixer that Alison would like to use the S 7 card
Shopkeep can't directly pass that on, but he presumes that he is being watched, so that message is already passed.

So Alison says that she would simply have had everyone hang out at her home if she wanted free passes, and so will offer her allies free passes if they want, but otherwise would like some to continue. Shopkeep says alright, and will ask her allies what they wish for.

Please choose a character to follow throughout the rest of stage 6. Non-living ghost communication will still be available, but only through words, not visuals.

Healer.

>>449858
Healer is the practical choice, yes. We want her alive.

Strategy aside though, I'd much rather follow Scanner so we get to see it when Gaurdsman inventively finds his way to her in a single level or less, and then seeing the dynamic duo run the stage together. It's the most entertaining route.

Plus, uh, we can scan people. Intel's always good.

>>449857
>left out the 0% survival chance
That's fine, I guess. That might be better for an in-person revelation, anyway.

>might be impossible to coexist
I think there may be better odds on coexisting than on beating the CAI at all. In fact, the last part of my previous suggestion was to get them to team up with us, since it's obvious that following the normal rules is suicide.

>Who to follow.
>>449858
Healer would be a good choice; we've already seen enough of her to know that she has some good leadership qualities and is plenty competent, but we still know little enough about her to have fun fleshing out her character a bit more. On the other hand, choosing Guardsman so we can play a loose canon would be fun, too.

>>449864
Or we can be Scanner! Not quite as many hidden depths as Healer to flesh out, but her relationship with Guardsman is certainly interesting, given how quickly they took to each other, although that makes Guardsman a good choice so that we can look at it from the opposite end.

I think it'll be more fun to see it from Scanner's perspective, so I'll vote for her.

Putting a vote for mah man, the guardsman. We can just have him throw shit at all the traps till they break.

Scanner 2012/08/31(Fri)08:15 No. 449987 ID: f09b71
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After that fiasco, Scanner takes a deep breath, summons up some dead people that Alison talks about, and leaps through the door.

She ends up at another complicated looking puzzle, but a sign is there to explain at least some of the rules.

Attacking an icon on one of the platforms will send your attack through the opposing side's dummy of the corresponding color. A multiplier means that the attack will loop around, covering its column equal to the multiplier number. A '>>' means it will go twice as fast, hitting two tiles at once. If both levers are pulled by both parties, then an escape will form, but otherwise the escape will only occur when at least one person is slain.

Radmin says that Scanner must have bad luck, only one other of Alison's bunch had to fight a foreign person. And that person is Iso, who is probably going to just make a light and platform trail to the other side and kick the person's ass normally, or at least that's what Radmin is recommending. Everyone else got hooked up together.

Scanner scans. Tier 1, although very strong for a tier 1. Body/Armor/Weapon at 20 each, 2 Range, all communication, and the only boon worth note being recursive. All for a grand total of 7,229 CU.

Make offer to leave together.

If he refuses, try not to get hit 56 times before you can hit him.

>And that person is Iso
I assume you must mean Clarence, Radmin. Iso got pulled at the last minute when Alison decided not to send in people with redundant skill sets.

Might as well attempt communication before resorting to violence. Introduce yourself, flash your token, and explain you're a member of the Snake Queen's faction, and your current goal is to overload the exit and save as many people as possible. Would he be willing to pull the lever for a mutual escape, or will we have to fight him?

Recursive hmm? Looks like he has friends he wants to save. Lest try talking to him first, explain about Alison and how she has a way to bypass stages completely... it also allows you to interact with your dead all the time if you wish. We are planning on overloading the exit of this stage if he doesn't make up his mind but wants time to decide.

If that doesn't work move up. We can use our range if need be.

Polo 2012/08/31(Fri)09:51 No. 450013 ID: f09b71
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Scanner says she assumes that Radmin means Clarence. Radmin says whatever, Scanner, he's not the Chief Manager. He doesn't know people! Scanner ignores him and goes to talk to her opponent, since Alison would like the ghosts and all. She flashes her Snake Queen badge. The bird asks if she wants to fight. Scanner replies no, no she does not. The Bird says too bad, he's not a wimp. He's going to fight, Snake Queen vassal or not, he's not afraid.

Scanner says that he will have to hit her 56 times, and she only has to hit once, nevermind armor regeneration. He says that is a stupidly high bluff. Radmin laughs, saying that high bluff is no higher than his stupidity. Wait, no, that's not right. It was that his stupidity - Scanner tells Radmin to be quiet and focus, she has to move.

Move up.

>>450013
why does he want to fight? Isn't there a peaceful solution? why wouldn't one want that? that is more asshole-like than bravery...
is his name polo or are we having some quest-title-jumps here? 449143 was titled polo, too

>>450013
Tell him that avoiding needless fights doesn't make him a wimp, but picking needless fights makes him a bully.

Also, tell him that normally you'd just kill, absorb, and resurrect him, but with resurrect gone he'd be stuck as a ghost forever.
You have some CU on you, right? Offer him 2771CU to cooperate. Point out that will bring him up to exactly 10,000CU.

Scanner 2012/08/31(Fri)10:22 No. 450027 ID: f09b71
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>>450021
Quest jumping has led to name confusions, yes.

Scanner asks why he wants to fight, and he replies that he doesn't trust her. She notes that the lever didn't give a choice between dropping the other player or not, it was purely for an escape, and doesn't hurt.

The bird says OH FINE he'll go to the lever and pansy out geez.

Ask what would allow him to trust her.

Proceed to Lever.

>>450027
See if we can scan the colored system attackers

Scanner 2012/08/31(Fri)10:35 No. 450034 ID: f09b71
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>Scan a system attacker
They have a trait, not a boon or ability, called 'Attack Wave', but otherwise they have no stats.

Scanner moves to the lever, asking what would allow him to trust her. He says he doesn't trust her, but after thinking it over, he can't find a reason to attack her anyway since it isn't like he's otherwise putting his life in her hands.

Lets see if we can't earn that trust... the first step is not killing each other despite the large (supposedly) CU stock each other has.

Well, that's fair enough. Doesn't hurt us to trust him, since even if he decides to attack, it'll barely scratch us.

At which point we'll be all, really? Do you want me to kill you?. And he'll either back down or die.

What's your weapon anyways, Scanner?

1/2 Scanner 2012/08/31(Fri)11:12 No. 450050 ID: f09b71
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>What is Scanner's weapon?
A large knife is her default attack, although she did get a drill as well.

Scanner and he move over to the lever, and an exit appears.

2/2 Scanner 2012/08/31(Fri)11:12 No. 450051 ID: f09b71
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They take the exit, moving to a platform with 2 chests, each assigned to one another. The bird keeps his word, and does not attack scanner.

The bird says he scored, he got 500 CU.

Scanner has a choice between 500 CU and one shopkeep coupon that she can use to exchange one boon for another boon of equal or lesser value.

Take the coupon. We don't really need either of them but its interesting... we might be able to get access to T3 boons we haven't activated for Snuggler yet, like Lift.

Afterwords lets proceed.

>>450051
COUPON

The coupon is way more valuable. Tell him that if there's a tradeable item in his chest, we're willing to give him 1000 CU for it if it isn't just a skill line access or generic tier 1 item.

>>450055
Agreed.

Scanner 2012/08/31(Fri)11:42 No. 450065 ID: f09b71
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Scanner gets One Boon Coupon, and the pair of them move forward. He did not have a tradeable item as an alternative, so he took 500 CU with a grumble of what could have been.

The new spot looks like an identical puzzle, except that the attack dummies are in crossfire. Guardsman and Recluse are together at the opposing end.

Wave hello to your... sweetheart? and friend. Tell them your companion is so far neutral and we're hoping to convince him to join.

>>450065
it would also probably important to tell our grumpy friend that again there is no fight here...
at least I hope there are 4 exits this time, not 2...

Scanner 2012/08/31(Fri)13:53 No. 450115 ID: f09b71
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Guardsman is more of a celubrious friend of Scanner's that latched onto her for reasons that she is unaware of. She doesn't mind, nonetheless, and they are all able to exit the room as intended.

And they enter another room, completely blank save for one door. Scanner notes that she can now feel the full weight of guardsman pulling on her ears, although it is not that uncomfortable. It's mostly that the feel is different that strikes her as odd, but she's sure she'll get used to it.

Time to canvas this place for traps and buttons. Careful since theres no rules anywhere. Use Ghost Talk to coordinate between other teams.

Yes! the Guardsman-Scanner tower of power is once again complete!

And i think we are now in freeroam section.

Be sure to tell the Bird not to touch the door before we know it is safe, thus prompting him to show us that he ain't no pansy and opening the door.

>celubrious friend
That's a wonderfully high diction way of saying they're best buds.

Anyways, yeah, assume the door is trapped, search the room. If you don't find anything, search the door, carefully. Check if anyone ahead of you has cleared this room yet.

If Bird tries to be stupid and open the door, Gaurdsman can menace him. He's not going to let no stupidface trigger a trap that could hurt Scanner!

(Remember you're in freeroam, and tiers higher than this guy you can physically restrain him if necessary without killing him).

Not just a freeroam section, a section where realism has been turned on. Laws of physics apply, and damage probably has consequences beyond numbers going down. Last time this happened it ended up with blood everywhere. Be cautious.

1/2 Scanner 2012/09/01(Sat)11:27 No. 450367 ID: f09b71
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A couple turns pass as everyone available re-summons the ghosts, which seem to come and go easily. Everyone else is in the same blank room, but guardsman notices something forming on the wall as Scanner reminds the bird to not touch the door. He says he's no pansy, but obliges nonetheless.

2/2 Scanner 2012/09/01(Sat)11:27 No. 450368 ID: f09b71
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The diagram forms by Scanner. A disk object is moving towards the box on the diagram. There is a countdown above it with just over 3 seconds left.

Welp, that there is definately a giant buzzsaw. Unfortuantely there isn't much of a clue on what to do... though I wonder why that wall and the door is red. My bet though is those are both traps.

Two possibilities:

1) Theres a switch somewhere in the room that stops it.

2) We avoid it. either by going towards it through the door, going up, or going to the sides through the walls.

Clarence's team probably has it easy. doublemove, create platform, create light trail... yay.

Suggestion 2012/09/01(Sat)11:40 No. 450372 ID: d6c330

Who's our third ghost anyways? I recognize Radmin and Mouse, but I don't remember specs there.

>Trap
We have 3 seconds to get everyone off the ground and dodge the saw blade that's going to cover the floor.

>Bird No Pansy
Henceforth, we have a name.

If no one swapper their stats around, all 3 of our people have float. Can they use that to get off the floor? Is No Pansy enough of a bird to fly?

If we can't do that, gaurdsman jump from Scanners head, and stab his sword into the wall to anchor himself. Scanner tosses the grappling hook up to him, and everyone climbs up and hangs on the rope to avoid the trap.

If Gaurdsman's sword is an insufficient anchor, we also have a pickaxe we could bury in the wall.

Try to get everyone off the floor in this room. I think the suggestions put forth so are are pretty good.

Through ghost coordination, spread the word on this room. Have one of the more expendable groups (tier 2?) try opening the door before the timer runs out, and see what's on the other side. If they don't see anything that would let them avoid a buzzsaw, have them float/jump/climb as appropriate.

If all else fails, try jumping on top of it if it is horizontal. Unless it does arbitrary touch damage, a buzz-saw is just a rotating disk on the flat sides.

Looks like we're going up!


The best idea would be to use weapons to stab the wall or cieling as high up as possible then lift themselves or jump up. Eveeryone, even NoPansy should have high enough body stats to easily do so.

1/2 Scanner 2012/09/02(Sun)10:40 No. 450734 ID: f09b71
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>Who is the third ghost?
A friend of mathematicians who died some time prior.

Scanner gets Guardsman to slam his sword into the wall, and everyone climbs up on it. A quick ghost inquiry reveals that there is nothing beyond the wall other than a sighting of a buzzsaw that goes far faster than the diagram would imply.

Everyone here has an easy time anyways, with float or awkward flight, although either ability only allows one to hover a small number of feet above a floor.

2/2 Scanner 2012/09/02(Sun)10:41 No. 450735 ID: f09b71
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They still hold onto the sword and other people after the buzzsaw comes, considering that said floor is now dropping fast.

Another diagram on the wall comes up. It is about to cut off the walls.

Alright our best bet is to get on those chains. Make a hole in the ceiling (explosives, acid, cut it, lots of options.) Then head on through. Have Recluse or Scanner help NoPansy up with the grappling hook or extendable pole.

Then climb. I bet those buzz saws are going to keep coming.

Scanner, drill hole through ceiling. erryone go through that.

Float won't work without a floor. Get through the ceiling, ASAP. Drill it, pickaxe it, sword it, whatever. Get up and through, fast.

Scanner 2012/09/02(Sun)11:56 No. 450768 ID: f09b71
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Recluse carves a hole in the wall, and Scanner drills a hold. NoPansy tries to carve one, but fails, as his weapon is not high enough. He almost refuses to make it before he comes up. The buzzsaw flies through, the walls fall off, and now all that is left are four chains and the floor.

Everyone else is alright as well.

We climb. One person to a chain just in case. Scanner and Recluse should keep their reachers ready in case one of the chains start to fall.

>>450769
This seems reasonable. Although Gaurdsman might have some trouble with his height and the spacing of the rungs. If he's not going to slow her down, it might be better off if he stayed with Scanner.

Scanner must have a big drill.

>>450773
Eh, with everyone being tier threes, they should all have incredible physical prowess. I doubt a few rings are going to be a problem for guardsman.

>>450768
Don't forget to warn the other groups about the series of traps.

>>450835
This all happened to the other groups as well, hence the 'everyone else is alright'

>>450804
I was just thinking he'd be forced to jump from rung to rung, while everyone else could climb like a ladder. While he's probably capable of it, I was thinking that a series of vertical hops is easier to screw up than climbing one hand over the other.

Scanner 2012/09/03(Mon)12:56 No. 451279 ID: f09b71
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Everyone starts climbing their own chain. Guardsman insists he will be fine on his own, and is already going up, so Scanner goes onto her own.

Eventually the remnants of the room below disappear. 3 turns pass, NoPansy starting to lag behind, when something starts going down guardsman's chain. It is chomping off the chain as it goes down. Scanner scans. It does not have any ability lines or boons, but has traits labeled "Invincible" and "Instant Kill".

>>451279
Oh god, it's the Ultimate Chimera. Stay away!!

Gotta get Gaurdsman over to another chain, ASAP. Some a combination of getting the chain(s) swinging, jumping, throwing him the end of the grapple.

There's just one on his right now? Then have him jump onto another chain! They're not that far apart.

Three options. Extendable pole, grappling hook or just plain jump. All should be possible for our group. And the other groups have plenty of weapon spots so they might want to form grappling hooks or extendable things of their own.

Is this a spot where we can spend CU because I'm seriously considering giving NoPansy a couple hundred thousand to get him to tier 2.

Also he might be invulnertable but the chain isn't. Once gaurdsman is off he can use his range to drop that fucker.

>>451279
Throw him something to grab onto so getting to a diff chain would be easier.

1/2 Scanner 2012/09/03(Mon)13:34 No. 451317 ID: f09b71
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Scanner throws the grappling hook to guardsman, who goes over to join Scanner's place after all.

2/2 Scanner 2012/09/03(Mon)13:35 No. 451319 ID: f09b71
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It doesn't appear to care about gravity.

Wait no... what's the chomper hanging from? Once he passes you, hook onto that!

OK nix that then. Just yell at him to stop. He doesn't have to do this!

The chomper can float, and is eating it's way down the chain. It's not hanging from anything- the chain is hanging from it.

Well, continue upwards. Probably should expect at least one more of those.

How far behind had NoPansy fallen? Do we need to help him catch up?

Since it most likely will switch chains after it gets to the bottom Gaurdsman should keep an eye below them while Scanner climbs.

Scanner 2012/09/03(Mon)14:12 No. 451363 ID: f09b71
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Scanner pulls an Alison and yells at him that he doesn't have to do this.

She feels silly, especially since it doesn't even appear to notice or acknowledge Scanner's existence.

>How far did NoPansy fall behind?
He is about a turn behind, as he is going approximately 2/3 the speed of everyone else. With the grappling hook delay, he was able to catch up.

That changes as few more turns pass, and although Scanner keeps NoPansy at least in sight, he is lagging. He yells to Scanner to watch out, the chomper is coming back up the Scanner/Guardsman chainlink now.

Grappling hook over to NoPansy.

>>451363
Maybe cutting the chain would confuse it. Make it lose track of where the rest of the chain is...

Cut the chain then grapple over to a different chain. Easy.

>>451368
I'm a bit worried that might cause him to switch over to a new chain immediately.

Getting off the chain seems prudent. Unless we wanna try something crazy like riding it.

Grappling hook lasso? I like it.

... Lets try to see what happens if we lasso it. Its not like Scanner can't just let go of the rope and then make a weapon slot another grappling hook. In order to make this work though we'll all need to be on the same chain. Relcuse should head to NoPansy as well then.

>>451384
Just so long as we don't touch it. "Instant Kill" probably means it function like video game enemies- any physical contact means we die.

I just realized -- It's a Chain Chomp! What happens if it runs out of chain, though, like if we cut off above it? It may not care about gravity, but says who it's not like a cartoon following a line?

1/2 Scanner 2012/09/04(Tue)13:07 No. 451688 ID: f09b71
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Scanner uses her grappling hook to latch onto that thing, and everyone moves to Scanner to grab on.

Radmin says that Duelist just cut the chain below him and it appears to drop the chomper, but hey this works too.

2/2 Scanner 2012/09/04(Tue)13:07 No. 451689 ID: f09b71
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Scanner gets a ride up to the top, where the chomper lands on a large platform where the chains hung off of. Although it took several turns, Scanner's group is still ahead of everyone else by a few turns.

Welp this looks like the exit.

Careful of the Chomper though, he look irritated. If we're still in freeroam destroy the floor beneath him if he proves aggressive.

...is the Chomper just sitting on the platform now? It won't pull us the rest of the way up by starting down the next chain? That's unfortunate.

Actually, it looks uncomfortable there, and aware or the grapple. We're in trouble if it tries to dislodge it.

The tricky bit is going to be climbing up and not getting attacked by it. If it's passive, fine, but if it's not, it can insta kill people. That's a problem.

Maybe if we climb up and retrieve the grapple, it'll resume eating chains and ignore us? ..but that requires initial trust, and being careful not to touch it.

So close! The light trail is right over there!

You probably want to quickly swing everyone to another chain before it dislodges the hook. If he doesn't dislodge it before going onto eat another chain, you can swing back and be pulled up through the hole has it goes down. If he does dislodge the hook, you can wait for it to choose a chain to eat and swing to the other as need be.

>>451689
I think we'll want to swing over to another chain.

It looks so sad. Ask it if it can talk when you get up there. :V

>>451719
Lets pull an Alison and ask if it wants to escape with us.

I'm pretty sure it can't talk. It's like that Blue NPC we've seen a couple times. Not a full AI, just programmed to do a specific task. I think its eye just always looks like that.

It looks sort of sad and confused. Apologize for hooking it once you get up top. Can at least be civil with it and maybe make a friend.

Hold on, Scanner said it doesn't have any ability lines. Maybe it can't understand us. We should just offer it some CU and start gesturing for it to come with us.

We shall teach the System not to send anything with a mind after us!

>>451732
.... yes.

>>451732
...

WE MUST DO IT

While trying to recruit the monster is fantastically amusing, there is a small problem. You can't spend CU in stages, except in the floaty safe areas between rooms. Even if we give the chomper the CU it would need to buy the communication lines, it couldn't purchase.

...maybe we can use the grapple like a leash and lead it along the light trail to the safe area?

The biggest problem with recruiting it, of course, is that "Insta Kill" property. We'll never be able to hug it.

Safe zones are hug zones.

>>451790
...test with persistence on, just to be safe.

Scanner 2012/09/04(Tue)21:41 No. 451815 ID: f09b71
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Scanner swings to another chain and climbs up, looping the grappling hook underneath the platform.

She tosses a bag of some leftover CU, just 35, at him, motionion him to follow her. He flails around in a poor display of communication.

>Use persistence
She'll have to use that in a safe zone, since it not an active trait in the stage. 'Insta-Kill' is too vague of a term for her liking.

Scanner tells it to follow her, but it just confirms that if it can understand speech or talk, it isn't showing it.

>>451815
Get NoPansy to remove the grappling hook, imply that he is, in fact, a pansy if he doesn't.

Have NoPansy leave, then Recluse, then Gaurdsman all the while Scanner backs away gesturing for it to follow.

Well, if it has no communication lines, of course it can't understand!

...have Radmin try? System "speech" bypasses the communication lines, don't it?

It does seem somewhat distressed by the hook in it's side. It might be friendly if we remove it? Or it could attack, or just set off eating the next chain. We should only chance this if you can detach the hook at range, so we can get to the light trail ahead of it if it charges.

Scanner 2012/09/04(Tue)21:51 No. 451822 ID: f09b71
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>Have Radmin talk to bypass communication
Radmin says it's just another form of chat, but people still need to have the ability to understand speech.

>Remove the hook, have N.P. do it
Scanner says that if NoPansy isn't a pansy, he--

NoPansy runs ahead and swipes the grappling hook off, saying that he's no pansy.

>flails around
He's a fish-like being in a freeroam area. Maybe he can't move on his own right now? That would be particularly cruel if true, although I guess we could remedy that with a water attack or something to wash it to the light trail.

>>451822
Point at NoPansy, say go, then point at exit.
Wait for him to leave
Point at Recluse, say go, then point to exit.
Wait for him to leave
Point at monster, say go, then point at exit.

NoPansy just wormed his way into my heart...

Anyway, repeating this >>451818

Perhaps it can only travel along chains. It was doing just fine until it got to the top of this platform and ran out of links. Is it possible to pull one of the remaining chains up over the edge and make a path to the light trail?

Actually, if the chomper's gravity-defying abilities are flexible enough, it might be possible to just stick a link in its mouth and tow it around that way.

I don't think we're getting anywhere here.

Let's just go ahead. I'd like to note that its expression has not changed even once. Also, if we let it go first, the light trail will probably disappear. If we try to go on the light trail WITH it, it might instakill us just from bodily contact. It also, apparently, doesn't seem to even want to follow.

Remember how the Enforcers were made to not care about anything? I'm betting this thing is the same way.

>He's NoPansy
Oh gods, he'll do anything if you dare him to. How did he survive this long?

Did removing that do anything? No more pained sad eyes? It's not attacking, or moving on to the next chain?

If it's good, do >>451825

>"" still needs comprehend speech.
Dang. Alison can't use that to bypass the mute in stage 10 or wherever now. We'll have to do a test in the safe zone to see if someone who sells off their comprehend skill can still understand the hand sign battle language we developed.

Scanner 2012/09/04(Tue)22:09 No. 451838 ID: f09b71
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Scanner decides it will try to teach him how to go. She tells nopansy to go, pointing to the lighttrail, and he goes. Then recluse, then backs away herself, gesturing Chomper to follow while she says go.

It tries to flail in some awkward direction heading inbetween the chain and the exit, and scanner isn't sure she can lift what must be at least a hundred feet of chain. It is sort of technically heading to her, though.

>Did removing the grappling hook chain anything?
Scanner has a hard time believing that it even noticed the grappling hook.

Well nothing to do now but see if it follows. Did it pick up the CU?

>>451840
It seems to be trying to. The most there is to do is either wait for it, or take a chance to see if instakill only applies to things it attacks, and push it to the exit

>>451838
It isn't even designed to move when not on a chain. This is just sad. We can't even touch it to try to drag it over; that will likely kill us.

We might be able to drag it with the grapple, but even if we help it out we won't be able to get it to the light trail and also exit, due to proximity issues.

What would we even do with a paralyzed deaf mute? We wouldn't even be able to take advantage of its instakill/invincibility tags. They are almost certainly unrefundable.

We can get it a body mod. And communication skills.

>>451844
We don't have to push it. We could hook it again, and pull it into the light trail after us. Heck, if we hook it and then hop into the light trail, the light trail would do the pulling!

...watch the light trail deposit everyone on the same platform in the next room, and we all insta die from it.

Actually, radio ghost-call ahead, see if the next room is freeroam or platforms. If it's freeroam, we can risk towing it over the light trail.

He clearly just isn't made to move on land. If he wanted to go to a chain he could probably draw himself there, but other than that the best he can do is wriggle in a general direction. We're going to need to help him along, either by finding a way of pulling him with the grapple (I'd suggest having him hold the end with his teeth, but those things would probably cut right through the rope) or by somehow pushing him, probably by making a new weapon form since we're reluctant to touch him. I'd suggest a wave or jet of water, but I'm not sure that would provide enough force even with our weapon stat. Hmm... maybe an oil slick first? That would have other uses in freeroam, so I think we could afford to use to weapon forms here.

Oh! I know! its like the unformed blob everyone else started out as! Remember how once Alison got CU it was like her ability to think was unlocked? I bet thats whats happening here.

>>451849
Platforms expand in size so all can fit on them. You could see that clearly when we we're fighting the Enforcers and had 15 on one platform.

Scanner 2012/09/04(Tue)22:25 No. 451853 ID: f09b71
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It did take the CU, but it won't be able to spend them until the next checkpoint, most likely this light trail.

Scanner waits another turn, and it is slowly maybe coming to her. She takes a step towards the light trail on the following turn, and chomper lets out a whine and starts slapping the platform.

>Call ahead
Just in time, Radmin says. The others made it to the next area, and it is the exit section. It does have platforms. Also he says that he thinks Scanner could totally pull it with the grappling hook.

Toss the grappling hook on to it and HEAVE!

>Platforms expand in size so all can fit on them
Yes, I'm just worried that sharing a non-freeroam platform would trigger the insta kill.

>Toss the grappling hook on to it and HEAVE!
Let's at least warn people to clear the entry platform, so we only risk Scanner, not a party wipe.

Could we could pass a message to Smuggler? Ask if he knows how the insta kill trait works? Shopkeep always seemed to know those kinds of thing, he still might be able to explain it, even if he can't sell it.

>wine and slap
That's the first reaction we've gotten! He doesn't want to be left behind! ...or he's upset his meal is escaping.

I think it might want to eat you. Or it wants to go first.

This is incredibly risky! If it goes first then how are we going to ensure it doesn't block the platform on the other side so we get there only to be instakilled?

The platform smacking might also be him trying to signal that he knows the platform will vanish when the last contestant leaves?

Oh, what novelty items does Guardsman have? If we have like, a pole or something we could push it without touching it.

Scanner 2012/09/04(Tue)22:49 No. 451872 ID: f09b71
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Scanner asks if the Guardsman has a pole or something. Guardsman says he has his SWORD, which can be a pole. Especially for something that is invincible. He's not a pansy either, so he's willing to push the toothy thing at the light trail. Or Scanner can just grapple it. Everyone thinks that she can get him on the light trail fight, it's just a matter of if she WANTS to. Radmin says it is completely worth the risk, in his professional opinion.

>>451872
...gulp.

Well. Try it.

Lets go with plan Heave and Ho!

... even if it is incredibly dangerous.

...oh Gaurdsman, love yah.

Radmin thought suicide by cop Alison was worth it. Not sure his judgement is worth much.

Oh well. Warn everyone to clear the entrance, just in case, and then push it through.

...there was a safe zone between the rooms, right? So it can come out the other side with communication?

Pull with the grappling hook, while guardsman pushes with a pole.

let's do this! LEROOOOOOOOY JENKIIIIIINS

Scanner 2012/09/04(Tue)23:04 No. 451882 ID: f09b71
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Scanner asks, by relay, Smuggler how insta-kill works if he knows. Smuggler, who is nearby Alison, says that he never did know abilities or traits except on an as-needed basis. Therefore, he wouldn't know about insta-kill unless he was summoned, as a shopkeep, to deal with something involving it.

With that bit of non-info, Scanner grapples the chomper, jumps through the light trail, and they start sailing towards the final area with the checkpoint spending areas that were once significant.

Chomper says it wants chains. It has to find more chains to eat, and has to follow its designated players and eat their chains. It also thanks scanner for the CU, but it is so hungry. For chains.

Chainlinks as a weapon would solve that. Give it to him but don't hold on. As long as we feed it (get some tier 2s in Dream Land to start making them) we can call it friend.

Since Gaurdsman probably has all his weapon slots right now he can feed it.

>>451882
Oh gosh. I THOUGHT it was weird how it started chomping up Guardsman's chain for the second pass. It seemed like it wasn't just a coincidence... Also this is really creepy.

Ask it who assigned the designated player. We can make some chains, I think, at the blacksmith... Or Guardsman could make some chain armor and give that to the thing, it being 'his' chains. I doubt that it will ever be not-hungry though.

That's fine! We're happy to let him keep following after us. And we can try and find you some chains to eat, too.

Maybe we could introduce you to some other foods too. Cookies are pretty great, actually. The best.

>Give Gaurdsman a chainlink weapon form
>chomper follows Gaurdsman around forever
>Chained bow-wow and sword fighting style.

This is clearly the best plan ever.

Scanner 2012/09/04(Tue)23:26 No. 451890 ID: f09b71
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Scanner says, and tells Radmin to tell Alison this, that there will be chains where she is going. She then asks Chomper who the designated players are, and it replies explaining that whoever was around in the room. So Scanner, Guardsman, NoPansy and Recluse.

Guardsman will also make a chain weapon in the meanwhile. Mouse asks Chomper how the insta-kill works, and the answer is that it means that all attacks it does deals infinite HP.

There is a familiar converging section as the finishing area that Scanner remembers a time was once intimidating. Guardsman remembers it too.

>>451890
Ask Chomper if he'd be fine waiting here, otherwise it might be best to continue on with the rest of the group staying behind.

Everyone to the center platform between NoPansy and Bandit.

It's time for Overloading!

Ask if Chomper wants to wait with us or go the safe zone. Gambler or NoPansy can go with him to feed him chains if he wants to do that. I doubt NoPansy will actually go to the safe zone with everyone else staying behind though.

Did we lose even a single person?

Yay! Everyone's alive! ...and we have an invincible, super powerful new pet friend.

Okay. Pretty simple. We move to block the exit. We have everyone who arrives pile up on one platform, away from the exit. Anyone who tries to leave early gets chomped. When everyone alive has shown up (or the clock is close to running out), we allow everyone to move to the exit platform, and overload all at once.

When King's people start showing up, the should cooperate, since he plans on an overload as well. Problems might include people rushing the exits, or if King decides he only wants to save people from our two factions, not everyone.

It occurs to me that we cannot ensure a secure exit unless we have an equal number of people guarding as there are piling up in front.

How about an alternate solution. We have the first 100 players (including Chomper) sit in front of the exit and have our T3 dudes kill and absorb everyone that comes in who isn't part of King's group or our group. Latecomers who are allied with us get to just stick around and wait until we overload. Yes, it's like CU farming, except that everyone gets to live in Alison's dream afterwards. Not in our base, just the outskirts, but still.

We should actually manage to get at least a million CU out of it too.

Overloading time! I'm seconding gathering everyone onto the platform between where Bandit and NoPansy are now. I think NoPansy should stay here and have Mako protect him every turn, though, so that people don't think we're playing favourites by letting him go on.

Rules
1) If anyone not in our group gets one platform away from the exit, they die.
2) If anyone not in our group attacks someone without provocation, they die.
3) If a group of people decide to swarm the exit thinking we can't kill all of them, Mako, Scanner, or Clarence drop a bomb on them when they reach the last platform to prove them wrong.

And, you know, if several unscanable people isn't enough to keep people in line I'm sure Bow-Wow's Chomper's presence will show we aren't to be messed with.

By the way, I think Alison may as well get the CU farm I proposed here >>/questdis/59513 started, since there's no use waiting. Preferably before the System realizes where we are and figures out how to monitor us while there.

>>451898
>new CU farming plan.

Problem: Can you do that in the dream world? I'm not sure if it counts as a safe zone (so persistence would work), or if gloves or attacks are even usable asleep. Might have to be put off until we get to the S7 safe zone.

>>451938
Or, as Alison has tons of tier two people for whom there is no difference between being alive and being dead, it could be tested out with one of them.

Alison 2012/09/08(Sat)12:59 No. 452736 ID: f09b71
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Scanner counts the numbers, and no one was lost. Alison tells her to begin saving as many people through overloading.
Chomper is willing to wait as long as he can keep eating guardsman's weapon.

Shopkeep shows up, and says there was a little forgotten message. Bombs have been removed, due to being explosions of problems.

In the meanwhile, Scanner, through Radmin, wants to know if it is actually necessary to overload as many people as possible. Mathematician says there would be a minimum of about 2508 people through the attack dummies, though with any consistency of teamwork, that may be about 5,000. It is hard to tell how many people would have gotten killed from each room, but around half of those survivors likely won't be part of either Alison's or King's group. Either way, it is still a lot.
Considering that the stages won't be able to be overloaded soon, Recluse also may think it would be better to absorb all of the people not under Alison or King, as otherwise they will almost certainly die later on and may not have a chance to be absorbed by someone who has a chance to get through.
Duelist does note though, that if King is cooperative to overloading, then between him and Alison's group, the latter of whom is hopefully trustworthy overall, there will be a good chance to contain enough independents to overload if Alison still wishes to do that.

I say we only kill those not willing to cooperate. We'll be overloading the stage anyway thanks to King. Those who do cooperate will be given the recruitment speech of course.

>Nukes Bombs have been removed from inventories
Ah, well, that's not that big of a deal.

>Recluse thinks it would be better to absorb rather than overload
It's nice to see his principles are still intact. We'd prefer as many people as possible to still be alive, but he has a point and thanks to Glitcher being dead but in Alison's absorption chain is about as good as being alive anyway.

Let's ask people to stay here to overload the exit, and then kill anyone who declines. It's not very nice, but nice is, sadly, a luxury here.

I think we should also start thinking about who we should invite into the city. It sounds like it's large enough that we could invite as many people as we want right now, but if we do that then we're bound to end up with troublemakers. I guess we'd have to set up investigative and judicial teams to deal with any complaints and let Alison know when someone needs to be kicked out.

>>452736
Let's allow King's group and our group to pass. Everyone else should be absorbed, unless we find someone particularly interesting that we'd like to keep in the field.

Everyone who is willing to play nice gets to pass, with the option of being absorbed or invited to the city. People who don't want to play nice get absorbed.

>Bombs have been removed
That's fine, they were kind of a chaotic mess. Wait, did we even have any left? If so, I expect a CU refund, Shopkeep. That, or a trade in for alternate tier 3 items.

>Absorb or pass?
Well, now we have a question of what's the greater moral imperative. Is it more right to save lives now in the hope that they will then be willing to join with us, or to forcibly absorb them to preserve them and their recursive chains as long as possible?

Collector Recluse has a point in that a slaughter here preserves the most souls. I'd kind of prefer to win people over by saving everyone, though. Despite the fact there are going to be holdouts, and it's going to be a lot harder to herd several thousand people out at once, especially since they could rush us at that point.

Aside: we need to put protector on Chomper as soon as we get the chance. Protector + invincible = win.

Pity Glitcher is still asleep, with his god abilities we could give Alison Invincibility and Insta-Kill now we know they are traits that can be had. Take that CAI.

>>452758
It's likely that those abilities would get patched if excessively abused, though. Like Resurrection did.

Thats why we only have it on Alison (and Chomper) Keep it relatively hidden until the very end. Recluse, Mako and Chomper protect her even when she doesn't need it for example.

>>452758
The problem with the CAI fight is that we'll be fighting a group of at least three people who can each hack things at least as well as Glitcher can. Little things like Insta-Kill and Invincibility aren't going to amount to much unless we can take out that edge.

>>452784
True enough. But it wouldn't hurt. What really needs to happen is for Glitcher to glitch Alison's entire house so they ARE all CAI level hackers. 1800 outnumbers 3 heh.

>>452784
The CAI fight probably isn't even fair. They can probably change the rules mid fight. Like, as soon the the battle starts, removing the capacity to attack. And then re-enabling bombs and each member of the collective lobbing one at us.

Keeping invincibility a secret won't work. Hell, there's even odds the CAI rigs the game by tagging itself with it.

>>452786
There's gonna be more than 3 people in the CAI. Less than a trillion, but more than 3.

>>452791
I thought about the CAI tagging itself with invincibility as well.

What I think we want to do is abuse the fuck out of invincibility and instakill, so that the system has to remove them. Then the stages can't have more Comper-like creatures in it, and the CAI can't use it either!

>>452791
Could be... but you gotta remember the way this CAI generator is set up. The System is managing the Contest so that a bare minimum passes, which we know from Alison's Logs is three. My guess is that the original winners of that very first contest were in fact Glitcher, Corrupter and the Saviour. As for the winners of the System it is currently unknown if the very first run-through they did manage to have a team pass. I doubt it though since the books state that it was impossible for them to succeed.

>>452784

Hey. Hey Alison. If you are part of a CAI training program then the objects who succeed are the ones who are good at hacking. Like Glitcher. The game is therefore in place for you to break, and only then will you be considered a success and not reboot. It's difficult to do so because the objects who are dumb and not capable of doing gratuitous exploitation of any system they are in will get weeded out. To win the game without breaking it is to fail as a CAI, and so you must reboot. You're not dumb Alison, so stop playing around in those silly stages, and go jetting around in voidspace or something.

Also tell Chomper that the 100 sign looks delicious. I bet he could eat it.

>>452786
>>452791
There's definitely more than three personalities in the CAI, but at the same time there's only three people with special abilities in the contest so the rest are probably ghosts the CAI might be able to summon to help out if they need it, and even then they'll probably only be at contestant level instead of CAIs themselves.

>>452796
On the subject of Corruptor, Glitcher, and Savior, I'm starting to wonder if the differences we've seen in their abilities aren't just in their heads instead of the results of partial copying after the first reboot. In other words, the Corruptor only breaks things because that's what he was originally interested in doing and was the first thing he did, so he doesn't realize that he can do more, and the same with the Savior. We still need the Glitcher, of course, but more than that I think we need to get the Corruptor and the Savior to reconcile so that we can tell them they're both gods without them destroying everything trying to annihilate each other.

Scanner 2012/09/13(Thu)04:08 No. 454176 ID: f09b71
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Shopkeep will give a refund for any bombs remaining. Which was only 1, he believes.

Scanner is told by Alison to let themselves, King and his group, and everyone who plays nice to pass through. Otherwise, to simply absorb everyone else who appear, to the best of Scanner's ability, to be uncooperative or outright hostile.

First, though, Scanner asks Chomper what it thinks of that 100 sign. It says it could probably eat the sign. It does look almost like a chain if Chomper crosses his eyes together really hard, and that makes Chomper want to eat it.

Alison knows thinking about the long term CAI fight and other things are important, but right now she is focused on the current stage.

On the one hand I wanna say EAT IT

on the other hand EAT IT

>>454176
I still think it should be worth letting Chomper go on ahead, with an invite to Alison's sanctuary, where they might be able to help him better.

All he serves as here is an example of intimidation, or a sign how Alison's group recruits anything and everything.

He's stronger than Alison's group, but compared to pretty much everyone else? Alison's people other than Gambler might as well already be instakilling invulnerable monsters.

1/2 Scanner 2012/09/13(Thu)04:40 No. 454184 ID: f09b71
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Guardsman says to eat it and so does Scanner.

Everyone else says why not, and it still won't be too late to have Chomper go ahead and finish the stage if desired.

Chomper chomps.

2/2 Scanner 2012/09/13(Thu)04:40 No. 454185 ID: f09b71
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The stage didn't explode or anything, although Pepper does show up. Or maybe it's Mint. She asks how.

How he ate the stage sign?

He's a chain chomp from the challenge this stage. It's what he does.

>>454185
After getting past the chains (which we did so without cutting the chains) Chomper wasn't attacking, so we offered him cu, and tried to use nonverbal communication to get him to follow us.

Also, since the sign was just destroyed, explain that this was the 100 person funnel, and no one has gone through yet, though, we might let chomper out, so we can start working on dealing with his hunger sooner.

Scanner 2012/09/13(Thu)05:46 No. 454197 ID: f09b71
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Scanner explains that he ate the sign because he is the chomper. Pepper says yes, she knows, she just ran passed one after one of her allies tried to attack the chomper in her section. Neither had scan to tell that they apparently instantly kill. So Scanner says that since she is under Alison, it is her duty to offer him CU and get him to follow her in a possible alliance.

Pepper thanks scanner for the explanation. After Scanner gets her up to speed on current events, Pepper says that King will probably be coming with enough people to help overload the stage without any nasty events. It'll probably help get Alison and King more recruits all around. She defends King, saying that while his words may be heavy handed, and he clearly prefers being at the top and in control, he does prefer allies over enemies as well.

Chomper says that he'll go through if Scanner wants, and Alison knows of his existence enough to invite him to the dream place. The problem is, Scanner notes to Alison, that if that if he heads on through, he won't actually be in the stage 7 safe zone until stage 6 is finished. Which could be an extremely long time, depending on what the time limit is. Unless Scanner is wrong.

Let's keep Chomper with us. IF he leaves, he just gets caught in the time skip between stages and shows up in the safe zone at the same time as everyone else.

Besides, he's got invincible and insta-kill. Dude will be pretty handy holding up our bottle neck here. And regular people will be intimidated we managed to recruit one of the monsters they just made it past. He's also a rather nice visual for Alison's commitment to save everybody. Even stage generated monsters.

Invite Pepper on over.

>>454197
If he wouldn't be able to get to the sanctuary any faster than otherwise possible, it may be best for him to stay where there are others to support him.

>>454197
Might as well wait for everyone, then. Keep feeding him weaponchain, for now. If he gets too hungry he can head on through to the stasis before Stage 7

King's probably a swell guy but the last time she worked under someone ended badly

Speaking of there's probably a houselord who hates her guts coming up in the next safe zone, assuming he survives the stage.

Isn't the period between the safe-zone and the stage considered to be a safe-zone as well? We can always test it later I guess though.

Scanner 2012/09/13(Thu)06:56 No. 454213 ID: f09b71
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>Isn't the period between the safe-zone and the stage considered to be a safe-zone as well? We can always test it later I guess though.
It may work if there is a room between stage and safe zone, but most stages have not had those. If it does not have one, then everyone shows up at the main safe zone at the same time, and someone who left the stage early may have the perspective of no time passing, when in fact a lot of time could have passed in reality.

Guardsman feeds Chomper the chainmeal for the time being, and 8 turns pass when people start showing up steadily. King arrives at the same time as Mint.

He does agree, as expected, to help overload the stage.

A few more turns pass when others show up, usually one at a time, and other than King's cyclops bot, none of them are part of Alison's nor King's team. They are all told the conditions, and they seem cooperative, until one more person shows up, who has also tamed a Chomper.

He says everyone better back away and let him get through the entrance.

>>454213
scan his chomper, explain to him that his chomper doesn't have range (unless, I guess, it does), so he will die, before it can do things to anyone.

Tell him to stay still or die.

Have healer set to attack him. If he moves forward 1, he dies.

Alternatively,

Say you found a flaw in his plan, and have healer or recluse red glove him.

So show off your tamed chomper.
And call him stupid, we're overloading the stage exits. He'll get out too dumbass, just follow the conditions and we're all good. Ain't no threatening needed to be involved unless he makes it so.

Alternatively, Clarence, remove the space in front of him.

I like this plan, even if it shows that Alison's party is RIDICULOUS.

Welp, Scanner scan. Let's make sure that's actually a Chomper and not a shapeshift.

This presents a problem. We could let him through and still overload, but theoretically more people with Chompers could show up than there are exits available (only 50 in 10,000 would have to tame one to do so). That means we need a strategy to deal with them.

We're tier 3's with range, we can easily take out comper-tamers before they get close enough to use their allies. Problem is, will the chomper continue to attack once it's alone? Because we can't kill them. At least with attacks. Platform Cancellation might work.

No. We're not letting anyone through, yet. We're overloading the stage. And we're not scared of your Chomper, we befriended one of our own (Chomper, say hello to Chomper!).

If he refuses to deal- kill him at range, block the Chomper's advancement by cutting the light trail. If it stays hostile, and we (or our Chomper) can't talk it down, we drop it's platform.

>Let's make sure that's actually a Chomper and not a shapeshift.

Impossible.

One, that's a tier two power. Those should not be showing up yet.

Two, Alison's people would be immune to that, and not see it.

>>454219
Can't tier 2 be bought from regular shopkeeps? That's accessible to a normal contestant who was especially fortunate in his CU acquisition. And shapeshift could have been accessed via shop or chest.

Also, I think we only ever tested shapeshift in the corrupted sanctuary. Maybe tier 3s can see through shifts in a safe zone, but what if they can't in stages?

Scanner 2012/09/13(Thu)07:31 No. 454225 ID: f09b71
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Scanner scans. He's got 5 inventory slots, and three of them have glove scissors. He is maximum tier 1, aside from no banditry, and is likely saving up for tier 2.

Clarence and Healer move forward. Clarence acts to remove the platform, and on the next turn, after the movement phase, it disappears. Scanner says there are flaws with his plans. A lot of them. Chomper's don't have range, they don't have protect, knockback would still work, and the space in front of him is getting removed. Also, any one of Alison's bunch could red glove him to death, since they have more red gloves than he has scissors.

The Tamer wants to know what the hell. He starts brandishing a chain weapon and tells Alison's Chomper, Chomper A, to come to him. Guardsman, in return, starts brandishing his bigger chain weapon and Chomber B wants to move to guardsman to eat his because his is better. Tamer is pissed. Chomper A doesn't want to share guardsman's chain, and Chomper B says he'll fight Chomper A for it.

The shopkeep shows up. He wants to know what is going on over here there are so many red flags coming up in this room that he was expecting a bullfighting battle royale.

Hello shopkeep. Did your locket persist after your de- and re- summoning?

>Why so many flags, where's the battle royal
What flags are you noticing in particular? We're just trying to overload the stage. We told you that's what we were planning. Was it breaking the sign? Sorry, we just wanted to see what would happen.

>Chomper A vs Chomper B
You guys are both invincible and insta kill! Either nothing would happen or you'd both die. Chill out, there will be plenty of chains waiting when we clear the stage.

>>454225
Tell Shopkeep a couple of us had befriended chompers, and taken them along with us. Tamer was using his to try and barge through, while we were explaining the flaws in his plan.

Ask if there is a way to set the Chompers as a normal contestant, without the chain hunger. Even if this means they have to lose the unkillable and instant kill traits, because that's totally reasonable.

>Shopkeep floats between two aggressive chompers that want each other's food
>Comedy will likely ensue
Scanner, tell shopkeep to watch out.
Or not, he's shopkeep, he can die and we can giggle under our breaths while he comes back a second later.

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Scanner explains, and asks if there is a way to set the Chompers as normal contestant, but shopkeep wouldn't know. He's pretty sure they became disconnected as soon as they left their rooms. Scanner also tells Shopkeep he might want to move in case the chompers do try and fight each other.

>Did the locket persist?
It did not.

>What flags is shopkeep noticing?
Chompers mostly, also the sign is broken, and he is in no way supposed to tell anyone that the exit mechanic uses the sig

Guardsman tells Chomper A to calm down, as with Chomper B.

King is willing to give 2 red gloves to the cause of getting rid of this guy.

>no locket
Dang, changes to the instances don't propagate back to the master.

>no way supposed to tell anyone that the exit mechanic uses the sig
The stage can't count people going by anymore? We can just let everyone walk out without having to worry about overloading all at once? That's convenient!

...too convenient. Shopkeep, you're not just bluffing to try and get us to leave without bothering to overload, are you?

(If there's no reason to overload all at once, we can let everyone go by, even the tamer. We just have to hang around long enough to police people going by into being nice, and saving any ghosts that happen).

Ask Radmin or Supervisor if the signs are the limiter on people leaving.

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>Ask Radmin or Supervisor if the signs are the limiter on people leaving.
That's new to them, but they also don't know if the signs aren't limiters. It has never came up before.

Scanner inquires to shopkeep that that is very convenient, and hopes he is not bluffing. Shopkeep says even though he is on the system side, he still would have a difficult time lying to Alison and Friends.

I believe shopkeep, but think it would be just as well to leave the way we were planning in the first place.

If for nothing else, than to assure people who might not believe shopkeep.

Well, technically he wouldn't be supposed to tell us that whether it was true or not (he's not supposed to give out secret information, or lie to players). So it wouldn't be a lie. But it might be a clever way to influence our behavior.

But... yeah, I trust shopkeep. And if the sign destruction triggered a system flag it's more than likely significant. Normal players aren't even able to hurt the signs, are they?

Question is now, do we change our behavior? It's pretty easy to let everyone past now, even the jerks.

Eh, I say we keep on going the same way--but it is interesting to keep in mind. If there's a sign we can destroy, we might be able to get past the "no overloading" future stages, after all.

They will probably be gates instead of exits but its a nice thought. Still ask Tamer if hes willing to listen to reason. We'll insist he stays where he is but he'll be allowed to catch up before we all leave. We are planning on overloading the exit. If he still refuses red glove him to death then have healer or someone else also make chains for his chomper..

I swear, you go to sleep one time after days of no updates and suddenly there's, like, 30 updates by the time you wake up.

>most stages don't have rooms between Stage and Safe Zone.
Only the ones that teleported us didn't normally have intermediary rooms, and the one that did gave us a time skip and was obviously just there to give us some books to read through.

>Chompers don't want to share
We have several Tier 3s with available weapon forms here, we can afford to make another chain.

>Red glove duel the tamer to death
I think it would be a bit smarter to make a light trail to his platform so that someone with T3 Range can kill him.

Of course, that's assuming we want to kill him. He's obviously resourceful, so it might be better to get him to join us. Ask him what he plans on doing about the reality warpers that are going to kill everyone who get's past Stage 11, that should shake him up a bit.

>and he is in no way supposed to tell anyone that the exit mechanic uses the sig
Huh! The wording of that implies he was specifically told that, despite the fact that he wouldn't have known without being told not to tell and knowing it isn't crucial to his job. That inclines me to believe him, although I still prefer to stick to our current plan. Besides, if we abuse it it'll probably get patched, so we may as well save that trick for later.

>make more chains
I'm pretty sure we can only make new weapon forms in safe zones, just like CU expenditures, making armor forms, and swapping outfits. No new chains till we clear.

If we really want to get rid of those two (because they won't play nice), simplest way is to use remove platform. It should have a range of 2.

... Gaurdsman just made them just as he entered this part of the stage... after the checkpoint. Weapon forms seem to not matter in that regard.

Oh hah I just had a thought, Gaurdsman has double offence he can make two chains at the same time.

The bit about patching is a good point. We should overload the normal way while we can in order to avoid drawing attention to the possible exploit.

>>454237
Alright. If there's no limiter anymore, we can let everyone through. EVERYONE. I don't care if they're hostile anymore, we can deal with them later.

That guy with the other chomper was uncooperative but not hostile, I'd like to note. He wanted a path through, not to eat everyone.

I think from here on we could just have a few of our stronger units hang around, letting everyone through, and kill anyone who attacks us.

Or if Shopkeep has to fix the sign we could just rush the exit now before it counts.

Have King and his people been scanned? We should probably do so.

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>Scan King and Others
Scanner notes them for future reference. Cyclops bot is also part of King's team, but he is only a maximized tier 1.

The method will stay the same just in case, so Scanner will wait.

Alison is considering what to do about tamer. She thinks about removing that light trail too if she wants to absorb him. Arbiter says that would work, but that would also instantly kill anyone who happens to land on that platform while arriving.

Guardsman says he has a range of 2. He should be able to attack through disabled trails. Alison just has to give the word, as even if he isn't outright hostile, he may be problematic later.

If he is continuing to be hostile then kill him. Hell didn't Gambler get upgraded to full tier 2? I remember that being mentioned. He should have enoughr range to kill him now without moving.

>>454558
Look, tamer. A show of strength IS a valid strategy--just not when you're much weaker than the guys you're going up against. We're not going to let you pass through unchallenged now, but we'll be nice and give you some options. You can either join King or Alison's team (doesn't much matter to us which), or you can be absorbed right here and be out of the contest--but probably more safe than if you keep going like this, frankly.

>>454561
We do like the creativity showed with taming the chomper, though. Good work.

>>454559
seconding this.

Let's make one last effort to talk tamer into overloading peaceably. If he doesn't comply, kill him with range. Don't risk collateral damage with a platform drop, or waste red gloves if we don't have too.

If we do kill him though, we're left with the problem of his chomper. We only have one chain, and they don't want to share. Also, the only means we have to harm one of them is via platform drops.

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Alison talks through Scanner to say that if he joins Alison or King, he won't be killed, otherwise there are at least two people with enough range to kill, gambler of which does not even need to move.

He says no, he's seen leaders and their promises and doesn't trust anyone cept himself.

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Gambler kills him, and Recluse absorbs. A group of 4 comes in, all from King's side. They're brought up to speed.

King says that as a precaution, he would like to send some of his better guys through, and to be fair, offers Alison the same proportion to send through as well just in case. Not many, just about 20 total perhaps, then overload the remaining exits with however many thousand make it.

Chomper B still wants to eat guardsman's chain.

OK you probably fucked up in killing Tamer, no matter how belligerent he was. Now the Chompers are going to blow up the arena by chomping each other over the one guy who has a chain.

>>454577
Eh, we'd rather wait and have everyone go at once to promote the idea that we're all in it together, if he gets us. If you're nervous, though, you can go be a line of defense along with Scanner and the chain chomps. :P

Get another T3 to make a chain weapon for that other chomper.

Also greet Tamer in dead-man's land

Alison, greet Tamer as he shows up surprised at the dream house! Apologize for having to kill him.

>send a few ahead as a precaution
Against what? The overload not working? That's fair, I suppose. We already have the majority of our (non tier 3s) safe anyways via dream safe-house stage bypassing. If Shopkeep was right, it shouldn't matter anyways, as we broke this level's limiter / counter. We're only overloading all at once out of caution.

>Chomper B
...we could kill it with a platform drop, or keep it at bay with knock-backs. Let's try talking with it first.

Explain that we're making chains for them to eat in the safe zone. If he proceeds through the light trail peacefully, there will be plenty of chains for all. He doesn't need to fight Chomper A for Gaurdsman's chain.

Suggestion 2012/09/14(Fri)14:37 No. 454588 ID: f09b71
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>Get another tier 3 to make a chain weapon
All of Alison's people have already made it through the last checkpoint, so the only way to get more chains is to get someone through the checkpoint.

Scanner tells Chomper B that there are chains being made in Alison's house.

Alison tells king she'd rather do it all at once, since they're all in it together. He shrugs, saying that's fine. At the same time, he is also saying it is dangerous to keep the two chompers together. He knows it sounds like he just wants a chomper for himself, and that is partially true, but he doesn't want to find out what happens if they attack each other at Alison's place. He does honestly think they should be kept seperate. Since he is cooperative with Alison, it shouldn't be much different, practically speaking, if he had custody of one. He'll make chains for them, of course.

Tamer is in the dream, but not at the house itself. She still sends him a message of apology for having to kill him, but there is no response.

Chomper B and A say that they'll go whereever there are chains, and won't fight each other as long as there are enough.

>>454588
Chomper B, you heard the man, you down with that?

We'll keep Chomper A since three of the people he's supposed to follow are ours.

Gaurdsman should be able to feed two Chompers the same amount of chain thanks to double offence. Or another tier 3 could make new chains. Or we could have him pass on through to the safe zone where Alison will have chain ready for him. Lots of options.

We might have to start getting creative here if a THIRD person tames a chomper, but keeping them apart is probably wise.

Wait a second... What if a Chomper attacks another Chomper? Insta-Kill meets Invulnerability. Irresistable force meets immovable object. Hmmmm.

>>454592
Let's wait and see if Bones has a chomper before we try testing this, though xD

>>454592
That's exactly what King is afraid of. ...we should have asked Shopkeep about that when he was here.

Splitting custody of the two Chompers sounds perfectly reasonable to me. (You know, assuming they're cool with that).

If it's two dangerous to keep them both here at the moment, just send one on ahead.