ok now i'm just confused. abel throws you in prison and cores out your chest when you try and escape, but he calls you a hero after and your willing to die for him, but the overlord treats you well despite the fact that you have broken into his home three times now, and infected his troops with the plague, and you attack him every chance you get. what the hell fluffy? also you do know that if your comrade dies in here he's gone forever right?

Fluffy 2012/05/15(Tue)09:25 No. 412148 ID: 97486c
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>>412147
I attack him because... He's the big bad evil guy.
That's who Heroes fight, right..?

>>412148
No, Fluffy. Evil is defined by actions.
You were born as a Demon. You decided to be a hero, and you have ACTED towards that goal.

This guy? He was 'born' as the Overlord, but what has he actually done? So far all you know is that he's been tolerant of you repeatedly breaking into his home, fed your starving friend, fetched the doctor to cure you of the plague that your friend unleashed, and is helping that same doctor cure even the worst-suffering victims of the plague.
I hate to tell you, but that sounds like stuff a Hero would do.
Oh, and he's forged an alliance with a convent of priestesses and paladins; seriously uber-good Heroes like that wouldn't do that unless they thought he was an ok guy.

you know Overlord is somewhere between a Hero and a Demon, right? he's not truly evil. probably more of a Hero than Abel, actually.

coincidentally, I'm about as evil as the Overlord, so I'm not helping you either.

They do, but only when they're actually doing something evil! Like demolishing a village, or trying to kill you because you are a hero, or sending someone to kidnap someone else...waaaait~

But yeah, he didn't even threaten you before you called out for battle; that's called "JUMPING THE GUN" and it's not a good hero move.

heroes fight to protect the weak and innocent. TRUE heroes. not just the class Hero.

so tell me fluffy. why do YOU fight? a reason other then "that s what heroes do" that's why does a hero fight, i want to know you.

You're really hopeless. We are telling you, point-blank, that you are wrong about this guy being a villain of any sort. We've given you reasonable, logical arguments, and we've even compared the path you're taking to the path he's taken. If you're still going to break into this man's home and try to kill him, if you're going to be that stupid, there's no reason we need to be here, and there's no reason we're going to help you against him while he defends himself against your stupidity and probably kills you. You deserve it. Just hurry up and die before you mess up any more of the good Overlord's doing.

>>412187
This. Seriously, I hate characters that don't learn. It's taken her this long just to start thinking about how she might not be right after all. Fuck this, Overlord is a far better guy. Let's just let Fluffy die and Overlord can have his other eye back. Whatever happens, I'm out.

What makes him the big bad evil guy, Fluffy?

No, Don't let Fluffy die. Although if everyone dies, she's definitely the one Overlord would save, so idk if that counts as dying. Anyway, it is our duty as eye voices to not INTENTIONALLY screw over our host.

>>412316
Our host if Overlord. Fluffy's a thief/looter.

>>412350
we are in battle. the doctor is not. the rules of engagement are in play.

Maybe, but there's a whole checklist of shit you forgot to do first:
-Make sure they actually are a badguy
-Make sure that attacking/killing them wouldn't just make things worse
-Give the badguy a chance to reform before trying to kill them
-Make sure you can survive attempting to kill them or that your chances of success justify your sacrifice of the time, effort and blood spent trying
-Make sure you have at least some chance of success

You did not do even one thing on that checklist yet you lazy-jackass slacker! You are now no longer a hero, you are now a lazy-jackass slacker, mark this change on your character sheet. It is permanent until you redeem yourself.
Don't worry too much about it, your lazy stupidity is about to get you killed and make you fail your mission. Then either you really die or you get to explain to Abel how you abandoned the doctor to go try and attack someone that didn't attack you or even hinder you, causing an incident that may lead to a war DESPITE HIM TELLING YOU NOT TO DO THAT YOU MORON!

Honestly, Abel's kind of dense, but he at least got that much right.

oh and the golem that stopped you from falling to your death is there too.

Fluffy 2012/05/15(Tue)22:37 No. 412527 ID: 97486c
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But... It's... Heroes are...
FORGET YOU GUYS! I CAN DO THIS FIGHT ON MY OWN!

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>>412527
Alright fine but I gotta warn you, if you use Overlord's sword against him he's just going to reflect the attack back on you at double strength. So you'll have to approach this fight indirectly.

>>412538
indeed, the sword channels chaos. and the overlord is a golem OF chaos. it's like trying to kill a lava monster with fire.

Fluffy 2012/05/16(Wed)18:57 No. 412817 ID: 97486c
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I'm not listening to y-
Wait? I can't use the blade on him? That's stupid! How the hell do I fight him then!?

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Opponent fled.
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What? No, I challenge him again!

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Anyway, how do I even fight then?

>>412817
Really, Fluffy? You're really going to force someone who honestly doesn't want to fight to kill someone to protect his own life? I thought you were a hero, not a villain!

>>412817
Use hugs.

really? you are going to try to figure out how to attack him while you are stuck on the battle map and not when you are just walking around and able to actually do stuff that might help?

use something else. try convincing him to surrender. give him a heroic speech

>>412824
That's true, he really really hates hugs. If you hugged him enough he'd give in and do whatever you wanted.

>>412845
not saying the sword itself wont work. saying the super move that harnesses the power of chaos. of course you can slap him with a slab of metal but the sword's true power would fail.

i'm mildly curios what you think will happen if you beat him. this is his castle, the odds are very high he will simply re-spawn. if not, his followers are going to be angry past the point of rational thought, and at least one of them (she's level 20 and has a sadistic steak by the way) would take it hard enough to hunt you down and get revenge. not to mention since the doctor doesn't want to leave you have no reason to fight him. this is befor we even touch on the fact that by forcing a fight your putting your friend the monk in danger. he's human, if he is defeated hear he will stay dead.

>>412862
fluffy will stay dead too, her class is hero now. she will DIE in the demon world, despite bwing a native.

>>412897
Fairly sure we've moved on to the next thread, since I doubt we're advising both sides of the battle and Overlord 9(?) is more recent.

Fluffy 2012/05/16(Wed)20:31 No. 412903 ID: 97486c
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So I can't use Divine Slash then? Hmm.. Okay...

>>412845
A 1 on 1 fight... That'd be so cool! Like a real hero!

"Wait wait wait!"

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Forest and Golem are withdrawn.
Unit Limit is now 1.
Waiting on Opponent.
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"You vs me overlord! Let's do this! Let's make it happen!"

I can still beat him if I just slash..
And now Forest and Golem are safe.

>>412903
Okay, he has a gun. If you stay far back, he will *murder* you. Seriously, that gun is lethal. Stay withing 1 space of him AT ALL TIMES. Forgo attacking if you must.

I know that the sacrifice attacking for moving thing isn't how combat works, but let's see if Fluffy believes it

>>412903
I bet you can deflect bullets with that sword. Just hold it in front of you and concentrate. I dunno if you can run at the same time but you won't need to!

>>412928
you were really close with cutting that boulder, just had the wrong angle. you are tall but not wide. needed to cut it from top to bottom and it would of totally worked. so move and use your action to get into a deflection stance.

Fluffy 2012/05/17(Thu)01:51 No. 413071 ID: 97486c
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Fluffy moves up and stops. The Overlord moves over and fires at Fluffy. She's unable to deflect the tiny projectile and takes 25dmg and is knocked back a space!

"D-dammit... It didn't work..."

I guess bullets are just to fast? No point in trying to block them again..

>"Tell me Fluffy.. What are you trying to accomplish anyway? I'm curious. Are you trying to stop a cure from being discovered? Maybe promoting the plague?"

"What!? I'm doing no such thing!!"

Does he think -I'm- the demon here!?

Anyway the bullet plan didn't work! I need new advice!

There's nothing for it. I guess you'll just have to run up and smack him with your sword a bunch.

>>413071
I don't think he's so much implying that you're a demon or Demon as that you're a villain. The title of Hero, capital H, just means that you're a warrior that's associated yourself with the human realm; it says nothing about how good or evil you are.

What exactly have you done that he's aware of that's actually heroic? Who have you done something to help at least in part for the sake of helping them, instead of solely for some sort of monetary gain?

Try accusing him of kidnapping the doctor to create a super plague. Figuring out the overlord's evil plan should confuse him long enough for you to get a few good hits in.

well tell him why you ARE here. so he knows this is a righteous battle.

>>413101

Why ARE we here anyway? To retrieve a Doctor who doesn't really want to return? To disrupt the progress of a cure? To break into a man's home and murder him with his own sword because of crimes we THINK he might commit?

How can we call ourselves a "Real" Hero when we keep acting like the villain?

Well the reason ultimately is that Abel sent you, is it not?

I'm remembering a conversation you had earlier:
You said, "You can't just lock me in here! I'm really a hero!"
Your jailer said, "Uh-huh sure. And I'm the god of sarcasm."
He thinks you're a violent threat to peace and prosperity, as Abel did, because of what you did in both cases to justify that perception.
In Abel's case you hid your identity and violated the rules of his realm to enter it. Perhaps you had reason for that, but you did break his laws.
In this Overlord's case it's because you have taken multiple rescues from multiple fates as bad as death or worse that him and his underlings gave you (heroic actions, yes?) and repaid them by repeatedly breaking in to his home to threaten him. In this specific occurrence he has even spared your companions from the fate that may be brought upon them by your attempted assault even, which doesn't make sense if he is a villain. That's not a villainous thing to do; they try to eliminate all witnesses they cannot convert to their allegiance when they are not the dominant power.

Justify your actions as a thief, mercenary kidnapper and prospective murderer, or accept that he is right to identify you as a threat to peace and prosperity.

You can do this Fluffy! Just try to close the Distance.

>>413071
Throw the goddamn sword.

>>413338
This. He wants to fight ranged? We'll fight ranged too! That's what heroes do, they adapt!

Fluffy 2012/05/19(Sat)04:30 No. 413852 ID: 97486c
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>>413263
No it's not... It's really not like that.. I just... Dammit!

Fluffy tosses her blade at the Overlord and... Actually manages to hit, scoring 29dmg.
However her attack drops to 20 and her Acc drops by 5.
Instead of attacking the Overlord shocks Fluffy by talking to her.

>"Listen Fluffy, I know you want to be a hero, but Abel has deceived you. I am no villain. I can help you find where a real one is though, if you let me... a sinister Tinker. So sinister that even in my less proud days I was forced to seal her away for everyone's safety."

"Shut up! Just shut up! You... You 'have' to be the evil one! All the things you did.. You can't just erase something like that because you lost your memory! What happens if you do remember!? What happens if you become evil again and I had just given up trying to stop you!? What kind of Hero would I be then!?"

I spent my whole damn life being good so I can try to be a Hero.. How can he claim to be a good guy just by doing a few nice things the past few weeks?

>>413852
Hey Fluffy, your naivety is kinda cute, you know that? There's no chance of winning this battle and you know, your death will be meaningless. There will be consequences, however. War, thousands deaths.

I'd like to say that goodness isn't to extinguish the evil, but to promote good. However, who would believe in this fairy tale? Who cares about the welfare of others when you can have the title of "hero" by bringing the head of the "enemy"? Frankly, I don't care anymore. My last hope, you, was lost. Go, do whatever you want. I bet this will at least satisfy the hunger for carnage and blood of some.

>>413852
If you were just as good for "your whole life" as you're now, it's no wonder you don't have friends.

fluffy. stop and look at yourself. you are a demon that became a hero. that's an amazing feat. but think, that's how you are too, a demon that was good for a while, no other heroes will accept you since they will think of you how you just thought of the overlord. and if heroes showed up in your village, they would of tried to murder every one of them, simply because they are demons. fluffy, please, be a real hero, not someone that kills everyone that simply has a CHANCE to be bad. be like killing all puppies because they have a chance to poop on your carpet.

It's called "reforming", Fluffy--when someone who was bad tries to become good. As a Hero, you should be encouraging this sort of transformation!

Sure, you'll need to keep an eye on him to make sure he doesn't slip back into evil, but at the same time you don't want to be discouraging him from doing good things by attacking him while he's working on them!

I think it helps if you think of "Being Good" as a default state of most sentient things, and "Doing Evil" as the thing you want to prevent them from doing. There may be exceptions to this, but as a general guideline for HEROES it works.

you could stay by his side, just to make sure,. after all, if he really is good, killing him would be evil. you aren't evil, are you, Fluffy?

>>413852
Have you never heard of redemption? The epic stories of bad men trying to right their past wrongs by doing good things and giving back to society? Would you rather bad men continue doing bad things instead of trying to correct them? Do you expect for bad men to kill themselves if they truly want to redeem themselves? Is that the only choice Fluffy?

How to be a Hero Chapter 2 End Fluffy 2012/05/19(Sat)14:58 No. 414059 ID: 97486c
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Fluffy waits to hear Overlord's reply. He thinks for a moment.

>"One who believes even demons can be redeemed."

"!!!"

But... That's... I know I did it but he can't...

>"You are a perfect example that even someone who's a demon can become a hero if they try hard enough. That's what I'm doing."

"You're trying to be a Hero too?"

>"In my own way. My older self was far to cruel to truly be heroic but I think I can achieve it. You've seen the good things I've done. Even the doctor I 'kidnapped' was only for good."

To cure me he said.. To cure everyone with the plague.

".... Maybe.."

Maybe he is good..

>"Why don't you join my team? You can help me do good and maybe even 'keep an eye on me' in case I try to do anything evil."

.... I could keep an eye on him, so to speak. And if he really is evil I might be able to gain some useful intel..

".... Okay."