Agga 2010/05/29(Sat)16:19 No. 185003 ID: f35d0a
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>>184936
I suppose you could explain more on how we could install one on the forge?

>>184939
"Sir... How do... Do you exactly make... your products?"
"I heat the iron here using the forge until it's soft enough to be shaped using different tools. Depending on the items I'm about to produce, I then use those huge varying anvils to shape them out. Sometimes I use other techniques for different products, like drawing out the metal for swords and similar weapons. Most of the time, I use my hammer for most techniques."
"I usually work with one-piece metal: that is, I always work on large pieces. I tie them together with metal rings or something similar. In the case of hilt weapons, I create the hilt separate from the blade. The hilt would serve as some sort of a wedge for the blade; think of a tree stump holding a wooden sign up."
"I'm afraid I'm not that good at describing what I can do, but hopefully that gave you an idea."

two large sheets with teeth on the bottoms of them. and running below it would be a track to hold it up. when you turn the crank it would rotate a series of gears that fit in the teeth on the panels and pull them apart. push it the other way and it closes. by making it so the heat is confined it get's hotter faster.

Suggestion 2010/05/29(Sat)16:38 No. 185009 ID: 1ac39d
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would be something like this. you can modify it how you like to make it work.

Suggestion 2010/05/29(Sat)16:51 No. 185014 ID: a594b9
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What does he use to hold the hot metal? It looks like he could use some tongs. Image included.

Does he smelt his own ore and pour it into blanks? Or does he just buy steel itself? We won't really need a door for the forge if he's not smelting anything. Unless he's got crap for fuel...

>>185014

I don't think he smelts ore at all. I think he just... heats iron until it can be hammered...

Agga 2010/05/31(Mon)13:42 No. 185938 ID: f35d0a
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>>185014

"Mister Raynald... do you have something... to hold the metal while... you work on it?"
"Of course! How would I be able to work without holding them? It's just a bent metal bar where my assistant grips it by the middle, though. You can work on that, if you want."

Yeah, what he described is nothing like the one you made an image for me. How did you manage to do that, though? It's like seeing something that my eyes can't!

Enough of me being amazed, though.

>>185009
We could add that as well, though I can't picture this out clearly. You want to make something that would close the forge? Is that image facing me directly as if I am looking at the forge myself?

I can't make gears at the moment without access to metal, though. I'll ask Mister Raynald for that, but we'll need a clearer layout.

>>185938
Okay we can definitely make him a better pair of tongs.

Just take two metal bars and curve the ends. Slap a bolt in the middle to connect them together close to one end and you've got some proper tongs that one person can use. That's the gist of that image I showed you.

>>185938
Start with the better tongs.

Not sure on how the forge upgrade looks. I think it's a mechanism for closing it so you can get higher temperatures.

Agga 2010/05/31(Mon)16:42 No. 186017 ID: f35d0a
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Okay, I try to draw out the parts I need for the tongs.

...

...

Here we go. This should be enough, right? I'll have Mister Raynald forge the parts for us hopefully, unless you want this made out of stone or something...

I still don't know what to do with the forge doors, though.

>>186017
That's good. He can improve upon them himself to make ones for specific uses.

It actually looks like he has doors on the side where the coal goes in. How do those open? Perhaps we can just work with the design he already uses.

In the end you don't REALLY need a lever-operated door, just one that you can prop open after pulling it open with tongs or something. Attach a little bar that swings down from the cover that you can hook into a notch on the side of the forge.

perfect!

with the forge doors gears rotate to slide them open and closed. you turn a crank, which turns gears which opens or closes the door depending on which way you turn.

>>186017
Yeah that should be quite a big improvement up from what he had previously.

Agga 2010/05/31(Mon)17:55 No. 186095 ID: f35d0a
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Like I said before, gears are out of the equation! I haven't had enough expertise to make one because I haven't tried to make one myself.

... How about a hinge, instead? I'll add two straps on the top of the door and add a bar below for the handle. Voila!

... Though I don't really know if this will make the inside hotter.

it's a pressure thing. by keeping the heat stuck inside instead of letting it out it heats itself.

>>186095
If it seals tight enough it should work. You're probably not going to want to touch that bar with your bare hands though. That sucker is likely to become extremly hot when the door is closed.

Hmm, probably better to place the hinges at the bottom and make a system with a latch for when you need to close it. That makes it easier to open when you need to or in case of an emergancy.

Agga 2010/05/31(Mon)18:17 No. 186111 ID: f35d0a
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I only know of this kind of latch: it's like a crossbar that spans just a bit longer than the door itself. I don't know if that will help with the pressure inside the forge, though...

I'm running out of ideas on how to make a device that would close the forge door.

>>186111
That should work for now. Just have the bar there as well you can control the descent of the door more easily.

Θ][Σ 2010/05/31(Mon)18:37 No. 186134 ID: f21281
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Try something like this.

A hinged door, with a level system on the top which pushes and pulls a wheel up into a folded piece of metal. The bottom of the metal is slightly smaller, as to be able to hold the wheel securely in the slightly larger portion.

What this should also do is exert enough force upon the door to keep it snug and flush up against the edges of the forge entrance.

Agga 2010/05/31(Mon)18:38 No. 186137 ID: f35d0a
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I added the bar back. It looks nifty now!

I'll show these drawings to Mister Raynald for approval, then. I can't wait! If he approves, I might even get to learn from him! Yay!

... Anything else? If not, I'll go ahead and show him!

Agga 2010/05/31(Mon)18:45 No. 186157 ID: f35d0a
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>>186134
That's a rather complex procedure. Even if I do manage to get the parts, I won't know if they would hold for sure. Besides, what would the wheel be made out of? It would have to be flexible enough to fit in the metal yet strong enough to keep it in place.

>>186157
It's not the wheel that would be flexible, but the part that would hold the wheel.

Stick with what you have right now, and experiment with the more challenging versions.

Agga 2010/05/31(Mon)20:42 No. 186258 ID: f35d0a
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I show both blueprints to Mister Raynald. He takes great curiosity in the first one.

"How will this work?"
"Umm... You put that small thing in the hole... between the two large things, and..."
"... I get it, I get it. It's like some sort of pivot for the new tongs."
"Well, it does look like you know how to improve on things. Still a bit fresh on the expertise, but you might go far with a little bit of confidence and discipline."
"You know what, I'm actually just another miner around here. The real blacksmith's off to some other land without leaving any note behind, and I've been trying to forge stuff around here. Unfortunately, I'm not as proficient as the guy I'm talking about."
"Still, I'll have to give you credit for staying here with us and trying to improve on our utilities. From now on, you can expect metal resources from this place. It's mostly tin, copper, iron and bronze, but it's a start. I'll also ask the other miners to set up a forge that's kid-friendly so you can work on them by yourself."

That's a lot just for providing these blueprints for the tools. Is he expecting something in return?

"This is... This is too much..."
"I always try to help out budding talents out there, and that includes someone like you. You got a future, kid. Just work on yourself and your stuff."

>>186258
Confidence. You don't got it, so pretend you do. Thank the nice man.

Agga 2010/05/31(Mon)20:50 No. 186266 ID: f35d0a
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"Umm... My friend... Where is she?"
"She's outside by the cave entrance. Mumbling something about 'wanting to explore it' or something. I told her not to, but you might want to go and check her out, just in case."

Thank him and let's go check on her.

she has a exploitative streak, always looking in places she shouldn't.

>>186266
>you might want to go and check her out

:3c

but yes, go.

>>186266
Go and see what she is doing. There shouldn't be anything that dangerous going on here. Or well mining can be extremly dangerous at times, but surely she didn't go down into the mine shafts without proper gear or knowledge of how to act in the mine, something like that would have been reckless and impulsive.

>>186266
The miners are lacking a skilled smith: encouraging your talents improves the chances you'll make something that helps them make up for not having one anymore. Helping you learn is benefiting them a whole lot. Just make sure you take some time to work on things that Will help them.

Also, you should probably head down to the cave to see Mika. Even if you dont stop her from exploring, she'll be more careful with you there.

Agga 2010/06/03(Thu)13:34 No. 187209 ID: f35d0a
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>>186570
I'll remember that, then! I mean, inventing things that will improve the process of metalworking will also help me as well, so it might be a given. :3

We go outside and see Mika and the giant guy.

Mika: "What do you mean, I won't be getting any fish in there?! You're just stopping me from getting in, aren't you?!"
???: "No fish there. No fish, no fish."
Mika: "I don't believe you!"

>>187209
Ask Mika what's up. And if she's trying to fish in the mine tell her that there is in all likelyhood no fish in there and if she doesn't believe the big guy she can ask some miners later.

i think 'fish' is a euphemism for other stuff.

>>187211

Oh god I hope not.

i mean like gems and stuff. she went 'fishing' and found that thing that exploded. how the hell do you find that in a river?

Agga 2010/06/03(Thu)14:52 No. 187220 ID: f35d0a
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"Mika! What's wrong?"
Mika: "I know there's fish inside this cave. It's a strange event, but I can feel it!"

... Sometimes, Mika would tell me she could just sense where fishes could be without really explaining how. I can't bring myself to believe her, since she only says that when she fishes out by the river.

Mika: "You! Do you know if there's water in this cave?"
Raynald: "We haven't hit anything other than ores in there. I doubt you'd find anything there."

Somehow, Mika doesn't seem to be convinced.

tell her that "perhaps an undiscovered underground river exists." and maybe ask that you and her take a tour of the mines, maybe she will be able to tell what wall it is behind.

If there is an untapped river near the mines it could be a real hazard.

Agga's got a good uh... nose for water. Could mean something's flooding. Or they're about to desecrate the buried shrine to an ancient Piscine god. Not the kind of thing you want to ignore.

>>187220
Well if there is an underground river in there then it might cause flooding if they don't know of it. Letting Agga in and follow her "nose" or whatever shouldn't hurt.

Agga 2010/06/03(Thu)16:29 No. 187272 ID: f35d0a
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You're confusing me for Mika!

"Sir... What if... there is an underground... underground river? Isn't that... dangerous?"
"It is, but we haven't really hit water before here. We've been working here for seven years, so I'm still doubtful if there are any water source inside. However, it may be that we just haven't taken that into consideration before."
"This is the problem of us miners, not yours. You've done enough here for now anyway. On behalf of them, I wouldn't want to bother you with more."
"Once we do hit water, I'll come by your town and contact you about it. In the mean time, just concentrate on what you're doing."

I already left my mark on the map earlier for Mister Raynald to find my house. Maybe it's time to head home? Or should we go inside regardless?

i think we should just head home for now. just in case though, make another pump so that if they flood the mine you are prepared to drain it. if you can make it extra large so it can move a lot of water.

>>187272
Yeah start sketching on a pump for larger quantities of water. And make a sketch both with metal and without, to make sure you're prepared. And really there is all sorts of stuff you could use what you learn from making such a pump for.

>>187272
I think we should try to convince him to let you and Mika inside. If Mika can determine the area where the fish are, the miners will have a better idea of how to locate the river without flooding the tunnels.

>>187305

I think beating a dead horse would be a bad idea at this point. They don't have any reason to trust those two yet, and a flooded mine would increase their trust of Mika. So leaving would be a win/win situation either way you look at it.

Agga 2010/06/04(Fri)17:30 No. 187874 ID: f35d0a
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A pump? Personally, I believe prevention is better than a fix. Still, I can't meddle with Mister Raynald's matters if he doesn't want us to. I always have courtesy.

I try to convince Mika not to go with the exploring, but she seems to understand before I tell her. I wave goodbye to Mister Raynald before we move on.

Agga 2010/06/04(Fri)17:31 No. 187875 ID: f35d0a
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"It's sunset already! Come on, Agga. I'll show you something!"
"If it's another one of your 'I sense fish' phenomena, we already have food back home..."
"No! Even better!"

Agga 2010/06/04(Fri)17:32 No. 187876 ID: f35d0a
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Mika begins to pull me against my will. She's in a hurry to show this "something".

... I'm so puny, being pulled like this...

Agga 2010/06/04(Fri)17:33 No. 187877 ID: f35d0a
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"See? I love this place!"
"... Well... Maybe we'll just stay here for awhile before we get home."

END OF CHAPTER

Wow, that's actually really pretty.

What is this fish sense talk?

>>187908
you didn't pay attention at all did you?