Every day I will keep a tally for every user that makes meaningful edits to the wiki. A meaningful edit is qualified here as two or more sentences of contextually relevant information or adding a relevant image to the page, and to promote more pages getting some info fleshed out than just the standard ones everyone writes up, I will only be counting a page for a quest once. (This should also stop people from going hurr durr I will submit ten paragraphs one block of two sentences at a time.)

The highest scorer at the end of the month gets a free request from each of the artists signing up to the rewards list at the discretion of that particular artist. I can't be held accountable for EVERYONE, I am just one man.

So far, the artists that have signed up to offer rewards are me, Cisqur of Mannyventure fame, and Clockwork Seal of I don't have the list on me fame. If you want to sign up for being on the motivating- er, rewards list, just ask.

GO EDIT PAGES

How to do stuff:
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Help:Contents

>>17818
In particular, and with thanks to Dylan for doing the kusaba-side part of this, you don't need to upload fanart to the wiki any more. There's a much easier way that doesn't duplicate files and gives links back to the post:
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Template:Fanart

Goin' for the hat-trick, the Community Portal is now slightly less useless if you've run out of pet quests to fiddle with the articles of:
http://tgchan.org/wiki/quest.lv:Community_portal

I mean, there are only 544 stubs to deal with. :V

http://tgchan.org/kusaba/allquests.html

Gnome!94Ud9yTfxQ 2011/09/12(Mon)12:17 No. 17886 ID: 8dfbea
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I approve of this and will sign up for the offering-of-rewards list. I've been updating the pages of the few quests I still follow when I can and when they have new threads, but I will try to be extra updatey this month.

So, why was there even discussion of "signing up" if I can just post here?
I'll do a full-color piece for at least one of the top 3.

(Examples which may or may not serve to motivate: http://tgchan.org/kusaba/draw/res/807.html http://www.furaffinity.net/user/totallynotasergal/ Illustration content subject to approval. No purchase necessary to enter. Please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. Some rights reserved.)

I'll throw my hat into the ring for reward drawan gaemz or what ever

I'm not really good with editing the wiki but i'm willing to do a drawing reward if it helps the wiki.

Month's half over. Time for a status update on our competitors?

I too shall offer a reward, for this wiki thing

1st. LionsPhil - 26
2nd. Asplosionz - 18
3rd. Spook - 9
4th. OVERLORD - 3
5th. Larro - 2
5th. Shiitake - 2

Runners up (one point apiece):
Asdfzxc920, ArsonCat, MrTTAO, Lash2828, Driblis, What, EveryZig, Typo

Keep in mind that points here are for each wiki page meaningfully edited/created. If you have any disputes, please let me know so I can adjust things.

Also, because I lack an edit button, here's the list of people who have pledged art to the cause:

Cirr, Cisqur, Seal, Gnome, Ñ, Lucid, What and LonelyWorld!

>>17919
Er, I'm going to bow out of being in the running for this.

I want to help motivate people. Sign me up.

Maybe we could split up the rewards so the top person doesn't get 7 or so free arts. I volunteer to make the 2nd place person feel like a winner. :3c

Finding this thread (even though I am unlikely to win) motivated me to finally get around to updating the page for Chee Quest, which was about 10 threads behind.
As well as updating characters (there are so many I wasn't able to finish in one go), I added a handy entry to each character profile to keep track of their TERRIBLE SECRETS . (Chee in particular has more world-view-shattering secrets than many mages have spells.)

Please do not create articles for dead quests. They are not useful.
Or at least put them in the right categories if you must.

>>17937
You're crazy. Every quest should have at least a stub so you can *find it by name*.

>>17954
Making the Category:Quests list huge and ungainly with abandoned noise does not help people find quests anyone cares about. It is a more browsing/search-in-page oriented organization.

If you put dead=1 in the infobox, they will end up on Category:Dead Quests instead, so the full-wiki search can still find them. Or you can list them using words on the author page with a plain old link to the thread, where search will still find them.

I'll draw a reward.

Hey, I'd like to make a suggestion about changing the scoring system somewhat. I feel that the scores not reflecting the amount contributed to each article to be kind of a broken scoring mechanic, because it means that if I just post a tiny three sentence thing to make a stub slightly less stubbish it counts just as much as somebody who spends hours writing out ten thousand characters worth of stuff to completely flesh out a quest article. It's kind of unfair to the other people that I got most of my points making stubs, and it's equally unfair to me that somebody else has started exploiting the system, whether by accident or intent I don't know, by adding images to every single stub in alphabetical order.

My proposal is this: modify the score so it measures the amount of characters added to the page to reflect the effort put into the edit, maybe with a small bonus for images reflecting the minimal but nonzero effort that takes. http://tgchan.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges has a built in counter of how many characters were changed, which will make doing this not kill the judges.

I already spoke with Cirr about this, and he said that it was worth posting this to see what the other participants think, because right now the contest seems to reward brute forcing articles instead of actual contributive effort. What do you guys think?

>>17974
The problem with that is that it's just a size difference, not an absolute string distance, like Levenshtein. Removals are negative and changes are zero!

...although having just seen Recent Changes, I am in favour of anything that stops people trying to touch as many articles as possible to score points for this bloody thing.

Seriously. At least bother to set the categories correctly if you're going to do that.

Sorry guys, in my updating spree the other night, I guess fucked up with some stuff. I formally apologize and I'll be sure to do things correctly from now on. I'll start cleaning up after myself as soon as I have a few hours free.

Also, I don't want to appear that I'm doing all of that stuff JUST for the reward. Honestly, I'm not at all sure what I'd do with a free request from all those artists. I'm trying to be genuinely helpful, I promise! ohgodpleasedonthateme.

What is a "dead quest"? It seems completely arbitrary what is determined to be a dead quest or not, even though the description of the category is "Quests decomposing in the /graveyard/ board." LionsPhil removed http://tgchan.org/wiki/Alex_Quest from Dead Quests even though it has been in the graveyard for two years.

>>17985
I am really not sure what metric LionsPhil is using for this (I suspect it is just on memory). While A Flower is definitely alive, Alchemist Quest hasn't updated in about four months, Ant Quest hasn't since January of 2010, and the aforementioned Alex Quest has not seen an update since shortly after the wiki itself was founded.

>>17986

If I remember right Lionsphils’ definition of a dead quest is along the lines of,

“any quest whose threads are solely in the graveyard”

>>17987
You're right.

That's not the most intuitive definition of "dead quests" (mostly because something like Alex Quest would be just considered "on hiatus"; it seems more in keeping with the idea of "stillborn quests" that I can't really remember if we ever actually started using?) but whatever categories fixed now.

>>17989
Well, it's the one we agreed on in the wiki thread when discussing it ( >>9946 ), because people get worried about subjectivity and this pushes all that messy business over to recycling the calls of the mods. '\o/`

It's also documented on Help:Contents and Template:Infobox. Perhaps not Category:Dead Quests itself, though, come to think of it.

That said there's supposed to be some wiggle room so if a quest never really got going but managed to get a stubby thread into the archive anyway it can be "dead"ed. Perhaps put a <!-- comment --> to that effect by the dead=1 line so that it's clear its a deliberate exceptional case.

Also also, I'm pretty sure our terminology is intended to be that "Dead" = "Never got enough going to be worth reading", which is why we shun them from showing up in the Cat:Quests lists; "Stopped updating" would be somewhat euphemistically called "On Haitus". We can make a "might return"/"never will" distinction on that if you want, but it seems like pure subjectivity to me. (Also the probability of anyone ever switching e.g. Nan between "running" and "might return" seems, uh, somewhat low.) tl;dr if we really want fine-grained liveliness categeorisation it probably needs to be something that interfaces with the board.

 

>>17984
Oh, right, just noticed this post.

Don't sweat it too much. It's just kind of irritating, like coming home to find a well-meaning person has done the washing...mixed together on the wrong settings, so half of it needs to be re-done, and you're going to have to try to get the pink out of that white shirt. Certainly don't let put you off editing or anything, just maybe before doing a "right, going to do X to all these pages" tell Dylan or Typo or me in case it could be done better.

(For one thing I think Dylan plans to clean up board/wiki duplicate images with scripting, and we're looking at Infoboxes picking up quest OP images automatically.)

>>17995
Okay, that makes me feel better. I'll be sure to get whatever I plan to do cleared here first.

The script doesn't seem like that good of an idea, though. Take Genesis, for example. The OP was a black image and stuff like that would make for a rather uninformitave infobox.

>>18007
Maybe it could pick up the OP after checking if the image-box is nonexistent or empty? That way it would be default but changeable.

It would still be possible to override the image manually, and that includes keeping all current infobox images (until/unless someone looks at them and switches them over to automatic).

Speaking of the wiki, I waited a couple weeks for the confirmation email, then requested a new pass, waited a couple more weeks, and I haven't received a single thing. -\:'|/- Whas goin oooonnnnn

>>18056
I have no idea. It says you definitely have an account...

>>18058
Is there a way to reset it or something? I checked all my email accounts, tried all possible passwords, et cetera--nothing. I probably made an error when entering the email or password; at this point I'm thinking I should create a totally new one.

>>18059
Yeah that'll probably be easiest for now I guess ???

The new one worked. My account is "Lizqur".

I do remember a couple minor edits to things I wanted to make, but I'm probably too lazy to make new articles for stuff, ahah.

>>18059
It looks like you stuck an underscore in your e-mail address. Unfortunately, I don't see any way for me to correct that.

(Admins can look this stuff up on Special:UserCredentials, but it's all read-only.)

>>18065
Because my e-mail has an underscore in it. The underscore wasn't a typo, but maybe I made a different typo.

>>18067
Cisquuuur come back to IRC :v

>>18072
I will when I cross off the things on my Important Things List (see, I am becoming organized after all)

And then I will begin a new quest

There's been a few changes to the scoring metric, so everything is different aaaa

1st. Asplosionz - 26
2nd. Spook - 22
3rd. Trout - 19
4th. Dasaki - 4
5th. Overlord - 3
5th. EveryZig - 3
5th. Typo - 3
8th. Larro - 2
8th. Shiitake - 2

One Hit Wonders (there's still a chance maybe):
Asdfzxc920, ArsonCat, MrTTAO, Lash2828, What, DoubleHope, Psithief, Grail, Lizqur

Changes to scoring metric:
- Only adding images does not count as a point to avoid masses of points for pressing a button a few times (sorry, Trout)
- Minor edits not counted (they're minor, and if you flagged your edit as minor when it wasn't, well, why did you flag it as minor D:)

If you disagree with the changes to the metric, I can easily change it and count up the points again, so let me know before it's too late! THERE IS NOT MUCH TIME LEFT

Artists offering rewards (at their discretion):
Cirr, Cisqur, Seal, Gnome, Ñ, Lucid, What, LonelyWorld, Incompatible, BiteQuest

has it been decided how the rewards will be distributed?

>>18107
I was wondering this, too. Maybe the winner can choose five artists they'd want, then second place chooses three artists, then third place gets the remaining two artists. (We can use a similar system if there's a different number of artists next time.)

...Then again that might lead to drama so nevermind maybe.

Oh, I'm not really in this to win, so I probably don't need to be included in the ladder.

I am going to tentatively throw my name in for drawing a prize for someone in an effort to get myself to draw something.

The original decision was all or nothing. There was a bit of discussion in IRC about maybe considering changing it, but I don't think it ever went through.

Also yay typo drawing!

I stole a march up to what I think is third place, but Asplosionz is a machine. Looks like the prize is his, and I'm not going to fight Spook further for second, either.

Hopefully my contributions to the wiki are appreciated nonetheless. My participation in this event- even if it only started a couple days ago- has been rather enlightening as to the sad state that the wiki is in; many quests are missing and even more, including some of the best, have woefully uninformative pages that are virtually useless as anything other than links to the threads. Unfortunately, doing a thorough job of improving them is a massive undertaking. Even the better contributions that I made often felt woefully inadequate in spite of the fact that they took hours of effort.

I have no idea how this problem could really be corrected. Consistently updating the wiki is a thankless task, and to be honest I can usually only convince myself to do it when there is some reward involved- usually, that comes in the form of being able to use the wiki page as a reference in an ongoing quest; I put a lot of effort into the Tiffany page a while back trying to create a viable reference for the rune system, and during this contest I filled the EDF character summaries with links to their appearances for rereading purposes. I tried to keep the Guns for Hire page up to date at one point as well, but after all the character images got torn out that pretty much demotivated me there. Anyway, point is that while this event was fun and hopefully made a significant improvement to the wiki, unless updating it becomes habitual for people it's likely that it will remain hit-or-miss in its usefulness.


I'm rambling. Good idea for an event, wish I'd noticed its existence weeks ago, and congratulations to those who did more to contribute than I did.

>>18148
>pages that are virtually useless as anything other than links to the threads.
Well, that is the most important thing to have.

>Consistently updating the wiki is a thankless task, and to be honest I can usually only convince myself to do it when there is some reward involved- usually, that comes in the form of being able to use the wiki page as a reference in an ongoing quest
This is, frankly, fine. If a quest doesn't have fans who are eager enough to update its wiki page, then what is the point of expending effort on maintaining one beyond "here are all the threads in a nice list"? Who would read it? Wikis are self-solving like that.

Okay, here are the final scores. Due to various factors and arguments over timezones, part of the edits for the 1st of October were included. Unlike the other scores, these ones matter and I expect to hear some objections after the totals (unless it's universally agreed they seem okay).

1st. Asplosionz - 50
2nd. Spook - 25
3rd. Ironybot - 22
4th. Trout - 20
5th. EveryZig - 4
5th. Dasaki - 4
5th. Typo - 4
8th. Shiitake - 3
9th. Larro - 2
9th. DoubleHope - 2
9th. Grail - 2
9th. Lizqur - 2

One-pointers:
Asdfzxc90, ArsonCat, MrTTAO, Lash2828, What, Psithief, Sconna, DoubleU, Rand

The winner is Asplosionz! Congratulations! You win ALL OF THE ART. Artists who specifically stated on signing up that they'd award people in positions other than first, however, should still award as they said. So really the winner gets MOST OF THE ART, but.

Of course, the real winner in this contest is the wiki, which has been bolstered by the new articles for quests. Since the contest was declared, it has been made a lot more up to date than it began. My sincerest thanks goes to all of you who made the wiki better, whether it was during this month or ever at all. One constructive edit is always better than none.

Thank you all, artists for motivating and entrants for editing alike! This is perhaps not the end of wiki month forever, but it is the end for now. See you next time!

THE ARTISTS AND CONTACT

As a reminder, here's the artists who pledged their efforts for the sake of the wiki:
Cirr, Cisqur, Seal, Gnome, Ñ, Lucid, What, LonelyWorld, Incompatible, BiteQuest, Typo

I unfortunately don't have exact contact details for all of these artists, but most of them can be found on IRC on irc.rizon.net around #tgchan and #rubyquest (and if this means nothing to you, send me a message on the wiki, the name's Cirr there too). If you're fine with just posting what you want on the thread, that works fine too and is probably your best bet.

Ironybot you big meanie-head :C

>>18153
I love you too, Trout.

I'm willing to draw for second place, so when you know what you want, Spook, you can post it in this here thread :V

I am going to say that I will try to draw things for the top four entrants in this thing, because I seriously, seriously need to draw things more.

I can be contacted on IRC or on the wiki, and hopefully I can get things drawn before 2012. :S

>>18160
Oh my gosh you are the best guy.

Hey, could the people who are doing the reward images post some general guidelines for what kind of stuff they're willing to draw for the reward? It would really help me to plan this stuff out so I get the best of this reward and don't end up messing up by asking somebody for something they don't want to draw for whatever reason such as "OH GOD MY BRAAAAAAIN!"

the things I won't draw are: Porn (tasteful nudity is not porn), lolicon, most fetish stuff, and intersex/herm stuff

that's about it

>>17995
>we're looking at Infoboxes picking up quest OP images automatically
See >>18198. (Leaving this thread to the art negotiation.)

Contact me via Furaffinity (araelkins) or email araelkins@gmail to claim your reward. We can negotiate on exactly what you want. It will take me a while to get to it.

>>18195
>the things I won't draw are: Porn

THEN WHAT GOOD ARE YOU

well I suppose that makes me not very good at all

Bob 2011/10/14(Fri)19:26 No. 18318 ID: 78b9fc
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>>18313

What good is he?

What good is he?

What good is he?

>>18313
Now now, he said nothing about not drawing either frills or non-orientable surfaces. :p

So, uh, any of you top-four people besides Asp gonna bother telling me what you want me to draw? :v

I'm thinking about it ;_;

A free request is serious business to me!

>>18322
Still waiting on Spook lmao

>>18322
I still have only minimal idea what I'm going to ask for. Also I haven't tracked down anything that you've drawn to see what you'd probably be good at.

Unless this prize is going to go away, I will probably hold it until I suddenly need something drawn and then hunt you down with highly specific and time-critical demands for art.

>>18322
By the way, I put my request on your talk page on the Wiki.

>>18375
>time-critical
Baaaad idea, bro.

As for the rest of you:

Asp and Trout, I hope to get to your requests sometime this week. Need to get past midterms first though.

Spook: Are you still about? I don't think I ever got a request from you.

>>18544
It was meant more as a humorous overstatement than anything else. I'm just leaving it on ice until I really want art for something.