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>>15793
Now that's an interesting interpretation of what I said. It's not exactly what I was going for though. Perhaps I am not conveying myself clearly enough?
Though I'll say this, our communication seems to have hit a wall on both ends as I seem to be having trouble figuring out just what it is you're trying to say. I think I understand what you're aiming for, but it doesn't make any sense to me as to why it would be brought up. Perhaps you can illuminate me?
As best as I can tell you're arguing about the use of The Orb as used from Dive Quest. Specifically that exact item. And I'm afraid that's not what I'm supporting. I don't think anyone's trying to make that kind of quest. Rather, people are trying to use an item that just so happens to have the same name and meaning. A generic equivalent.
But perhaps that is what you're arguing against? That such an item should be the sole property of good Weaver alone? Well, I'm afraid that argument's past and gone. You've seen the list of people who recognize that it is something more than that, all those authors and participants, but there's more. If I'm not mistaken, Dungeon Quest uses an orb that the audience speaks through and it still continues to this day. What's more, the more recently created Master of Magic utilizes a 'Voices Orb', which as far as I'm concerned is an orb by another name. There's no arguing whether or not it should be used because it is used, has been used, and will likely to continue to be used.
It would appear we have nothing to disagree on, as I really don't have anything much more to say on those matters. However, I'm still interested in the use of the generic orb.
Allow me to take a moment to clarify myself now. I am advocating the use of an object that allows the player base, the audience, to directly speak to one or more of the characters presented in the quest itself. This allows the player base to become a character of its own, which I feel helps breed familiarity. I feel there are other uses as well. But there appears to be some controversy to the use of the word Orb or Orb of Infinite Psyche to refer to this generic plot device. I don't know why, perhaps Little Miss Weaver had some sort of quest meeting and denounced the use of the term, whatever. It seems there are at least some that take offense. So allow me to refer to this another way.
The Mcguffin. I know it's already got another use, work with me here. I like the word. Say it a couple times out loud. Mcguffin. Mcguffin. Mcguffinmcguffinmcguffin. Did you smile? I did.
So, the Mcguffin: An object or person through which the audience of a story, in particular a quest, that allows the audience to interact with the environment on a personal level. Did I word that well enough? Well, hopefully you guys get the jist of it.
>>15792
Now, to this. Again I feel that our disagreement stems from we interpreting things in different manners. You appear to consider to the Orb as a singular entity, a character. I, on the other hand, consider it to be more of a plot device. Beowulf might have been the hero that slew Grendel but he was also a protagonist. So allow me to reaffirm that I am trying to support the use of the generic Mcguffin.
Let's see if I can't direct this in a constructive way. I'm really hoping to get back into the questing biz so this is some relevant and helpful stuff here. Now in our earlier example, >>15500
our friend wants to use a Mcguffin. The Mcguffin happens to be in the shape of an orb and share a similar name to that of the Orb of Infinite Psyche. Could you fellows please clarify what the problem is?
Is the problem that it is an Orb? That it's shape or name displeases you? Or more accurately, that the derivative nature of its use is somehow offensive?
Or is it because the Orb is a Mcguffin? That you disagree with the idea of it being used as a plot device that connects the audience to the characters on a personal level?
Our friend >>15777
seems to think that the problem is that it's a Mcguffin. His views certainly have some weight, but I think that there are draws to using a Mcguffin as well. I have a handful of ideas that use a Mcguffin as a plot device and I'm hoping to get some relevant feedback on all this here. If you gents would like, I can come up with some examples of other Mcguffins and their use, these from my personal stash of idurrs.
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